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Re: Ubuntu vs M$?

--- In linux@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
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> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:25:49PM -0500, Jye Nigma wrote:
> >
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=t\
echnology

> >
> [...]
> Ubuntu is a bit more responsive, but some of their decisions border
> on moronic.

I wouldn't be so harsh as to call some of their "decisions" moronic
but I would say some are not well thought-out -- they seem to overlook
the concerns, needs and wants of their user base.

> I saw an interesting example the other day. Researching why my
> computer clock kept getting set back to UTC, (which, AFAIK, doesn't
> use daylight savings time) it turned out to be a Ubuntu install.
> Researching a bit further (eventually I found that one edits
> /etc/default/rcS) I saw a developer saying, "It's the only sane way
> to do it, and we're not going to change it."

Now THAT decision is moronic. :-)

As an astronomy buff for nearly 60 years, I use UTC in my programs
because that's what is used as a time base for astronomical calcs.
But I do not use, or want, UTC for anything else, especially the
clock on a system that multi-boots.

The Ubuntu team has made some other recent questionable assertions and
assumptions. I now have to manually update /boot/grub/menu.lst because
it's no longer done automatically for kernel updates in 8.04LTS.

And the wireless fiasco with the recent 8.10 release is legion.

And the absurd 6-month release cycle with its incompatibilities just
boggles my mind. Compare that (Ubuntu) with Arch's "rolling release
model" which truly makes sense to me, and is akin to Sun's Solaris.
Solaris programs I wrote and compiled 10 years ago still run fine on
the latest Solaris 10u6 released in October 2008.

With that written, I use Ubuntu 8.04LTS for all my astronomical apps,
but when support for 8.04LTS ends in April 2011 I may move the apps
to another distro if things haven't improved with Ubuntu's policies.





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... Yes, that was a pretty good article. One problem is that they glossed over, in a sentence, the fact of how updates can wreck video or sound. The trouble is...
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... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=technology ... I wouldn't be so harsh as to call some of their "decisions"...
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... The trouble is that they all seem to make stupid decisions. Fedora is worse, both as far as ignoring their users and their decisions. They call themselves...
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... FWIW, I've been messing with CentOS 5.2 and I'm liking it very much. I've been messing with Ubuntu but CentOS so far seems to be working a bit better....
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... Brusque, indeed. I have seen them rag on someone, even after they claim to have done their homework. They are, however, no more brusque there that I've...
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... Yes, there's a few like that. :) There's also the very nice Toracat and Alan and Ned are pretty nice as well. Those three do far more than their share...
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... More people should read: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> so that relevant info is in the first post for help (thus not requiring ...
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... Yes, that's in this list's faq. :) Although, the chances are, when it's on the CentOS forums, that at least we know the distro if not the version. :) --...
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... That would be great for you geeks :-) Who have been using Linux for years. For some of us, this is a whole new world. Where do we begin? Even the names...
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... Thad's link is written by someone who's more or less a Linux rock star. ... off. The list faq, outdated though it is, still has good points about how to...
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... I understand your dilemma. The situation is similar for almost any (new) hobby or field of technical endeavor, and is compounded by the "alphabet soup" of...
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... [snip] ... I think the names have been around since 1969 or so. I've been using Linux since 1995 and find Wikipedia extremely helpful, but I still ...
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... Although you can get all that running. I watch movies with mplayer on it. On the laptops, I have wireless working, though I had to install MadWifi...
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... Be aware the CentOS 5.2 Live CD won't boot on a system with SATA drives. I had to file a bugzilla about that and last I read (November 27, 2008) it hasn't...
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... Yes, that's Fedora--cutting edge, except for the important things. ... Well, there's Mepis. However, it's KDE based. There's Mint, but it's based on...
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Thanks for all the responses. All the concensus points to me staying with Fedora. I appreciate all the feedback. <><Steve/WM5Z><>...
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