On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 08:56:10AM -0000, Thad Floryan wrote:
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> The Ubuntu team has made some other recent questionable assertions and
> assumptions. I now have to manually update /boot/grub/menu.lst because
> it's no longer done automatically for kernel updates in 8.04LTS.
>
> And the wireless fiasco with the recent 8.10 release is legion.
The trouble is that they all seem to make stupid decisions. Fedora is
worse, both as far as ignoring their users and their decisions.
They call themselves cutting edge, but they're one of the few distros
that make changing password hashing to blowfish difficult. (In Ubuntu,
aptitude install pam_unix2 or a similarly named package, edit a few
files in /etc/pam.d and you're done. In Fedora, there's no pam_unix2
package, for starters.
Now, blowfish isn't some shatteringly new technology. Fedora would be
better off putting at least some of its efforts into things like that
rather than things that no one really likes, needs, or wants, such as
pulseaudio and package kit.
At least with Arch and the other smaller distros, one can easily get in
touch with developers, and unpopular decisions can frequently be
changed. (Although, perhaps because there's less of a distinction
between them, there are not too many unpopular or outright stupid
decisions.)
I remember reading someone's blog about how their 8.04 LTS install was
broken--again--after an update. The blogger wrote that it wasn't
difficult to fix, but the whole point of using 8.04 was to avoid garbage
like this.
It's not that MS and Mac updates don't break anything--it's just that
when they do, they have enough of a grip on the their market so that
people will take it. In other words, they can get away with it.
... Yes, that was a pretty good article. One problem is that they glossed over, in a sentence, the fact of how updates can wreck video or sound. The trouble is...
... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=technology ... I wouldn't be so harsh as to call some of their "decisions"...
... The trouble is that they all seem to make stupid decisions. Fedora is worse, both as far as ignoring their users and their decisions. They call themselves...
** Moderator note: trimming done and top-posting corrected. Signature ** delimiter added. Please do this yourself in future. ... I read the article mentioned...
... FWIW, I've been messing with CentOS 5.2 and I'm liking it very much. I've been messing with Ubuntu but CentOS so far seems to be working a bit better....
... Despite being a server O/S, if you're not really into having the absolute latest, greatest, only works sometimes (oops, I didn't mean that) type stuff,...
... Brusque, indeed. I have seen them rag on someone, even after they claim to have done their homework. They are, however, no more brusque there that I've...
... Yes, there's a few like that. :) There's also the very nice Toracat and Alan and Ned are pretty nice as well. Those three do far more than their share...
... More people should read: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> so that relevant info is in the first post for help (thus not requiring ...
... Yes, that's in this list's faq. :) Although, the chances are, when it's on the CentOS forums, that at least we know the distro if not the version. :) --...
... That would be great for you geeks :-) Who have been using Linux for years. For some of us, this is a whole new world. Where do we begin? Even the names...
... Thad's link is written by someone who's more or less a Linux rock star. ... off. The list faq, outdated though it is, still has good points about how to...
... I understand your dilemma. The situation is similar for almost any (new) hobby or field of technical endeavor, and is compounded by the "alphabet soup" of...
... [snip] ... I think the names have been around since 1969 or so. I've been using Linux since 1995 and find Wikipedia extremely helpful, but I still ...
... It seems it's time again to mention CentOS is essentially an unbranded RHEL. Based on that, it seems a good choice for a stable workhorse system without...
... Although you can get all that running. I watch movies with mplayer on it. On the laptops, I have wireless working, though I had to install MadWifi...
... Be aware the CentOS 5.2 Live CD won't boot on a system with SATA drives. I had to file a bugzilla about that and last I read (November 27, 2008) it hasn't...
... That's interesting, I had no trouble installing the normal CD on SATA. My problem was with the Aspire One's realtek (wired) NIC. I have that detailed on...
... much. ... working a ... drives. ... 2008) ... As I cited in the bugzilla, the CentOS Live CD problem originated as far back as Fedora 7, and probably...
... Yeah, looking at the bug report--hrrm, can't find my CentOS bugzilla information, but got in anonymously--it looks as if it's known and they're not going...
... Yes, that's Fedora--cutting edge, except for the important things. ... Well, there's Mepis. However, it's KDE based. There's Mint, but it's based on...
... When I read the release notes for Ubuntu 8.10 (the latest), it was clear I was going to remain with 8.04LTS for as long as I use Ubuntu. My primary work...