... <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_quantification> ... I suggest you actually read the book, especially the formal semantics. Or read some of Quine's ...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 8:00 pm
... On a pluralist view, reference is a relation, not a function, so that a single term may refer simultaneously to several things. A sentence using this term...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 7:59 pm
... Yes. Or, we can do things like: le tadni cu ckaji lo ka ro ce'u dasni lo mapku kei .e lo ka lu'o ce'u sruri le dinju "The students have the properties that...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 7:37 pm
Actually, a singularist point of view does not prevent referring to the object (a mass in this case) with the same term for both distributive and collective...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 7:28 pm
Very nice. But, since the terms might be differently predicated on the two brivla, we would have to place the markers on the predicate not the term. This...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 5:53 pm
... Here is a mathematical proof that it cannot be done with a single word. Consider the sentence: ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u broda gi'e brode It consists of...
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Jorge Llambías
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 4:41 pm
... Right, it wouldn't. What they both have in common is that the marking is optional, not how it is marked. ... How does it disallow it? lo pa no lo mu no...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 5, 2006 2:49 pm
... Yeah, though not restricted to x1, of course. ... Yes, the accumulated detritus in Lojban is considerable. I don't really expect that my suggestion would...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 5:49 pm
... It wouldn't get marked in the same way as tense. Tense marks the entire bridi, or each sumti, and not the predicate place. It also uses very specific words...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 1:11 pm
... Each of a predicate's argument places _can_ be marked for it. It is not always marked, in the same way that tense is not always marked. ... It isn't...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 2:59 am
... Because it confuses "Alice herself wore a hat" with whatever you have for "Alice ...??... surrounded a building". Alice herself does not surround the...
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Jorge Llambías
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 2:26 am
... Its only use is to refer, in both cases. ... II don't see what's absurd about it. ... Yes, because "wore hats" is distributive. ... ...participated in the...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 1:49 am
... Uh, yeah. In the first one, it is applied "bunch-together", and in the second it is applied "bunch-individually". What's the difference between the two?...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 4, 2006 1:25 am
... Yes, in the first case the predicate, "surround the building" is applied collectively, and in the second case the predicate "wear hats" is applied ...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 11:56 pm
... Yes ... Yes ... "-ment" was used in the sense of "act" and not in the sense of "event": ...the relationship between Alice and the "surrounding of the ...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 10:08 pm
... That would be {sinxa}, "x1 refers to x2": lu le tadni li'u cu sinxa le tadni The expression {le tadni} refers to the students. ... That one is {dasni}, "x1...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 8:53 pm
... In English those adverbs normally indicate how the predicate applies to the subject. For example: The men carried the pianos together. would normally mean...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 6:58 pm
... For the sake of being understood, let's outline some terms: Mass: "the mass of X", "together the X", or {loi X}, etc. That is, one entity composed of...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 6:04 pm
As you may recall, my suggestion mirrors the English for "individually" and "collectively" (or "together";), attaching as convenient to sumti or predicate place...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 5:06 pm
... I suspect moving the word {lu'o} out of selma'o LAhE and into, say, selma'o UI, is totally out of the question at this stage, so whatever the merits of the...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 4:35 pm
so here is where I have gotten to so far. Since it seems to strike an important point, I jump in here. ... The point is that there is no necessary connection...
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Paul Vigo
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 5:11 am
coi I've been trying to find the right tools for learning lojban for my pc and palm zire31 (the dinkiest one you can buy) and I've come across a few things...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 1:42 am
Welcome back, I hope your rest was enjoyable. ... The difference between context and setting is definite. Setting handles "this", "me", and "now". Setting...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 3, 2006 12:40 am
... In "the 26 students surround the building" how many things are such that they *actually* surround the building? Note the difference between "playing a role...
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John E Clifford
lojban_out
Jun 2, 2006 8:44 pm
Well, it is nice to find that I am not the only person who can get involved in interminable discussions with xorxes. But I now find myself sympathizing with...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 2, 2006 1:29 pm
... It's a relationship abstraction. {su'u} takes a full bridi and converts it into a selbri. {su'u tadni} means {su'u zo'e tadni zo'e}, it does not select the...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 2, 2006 3:24 am
... "The three guests went into the house together", the ordinary English sentence, is translated as {lo ci vitke cu ze'i klama le zdani}. "Together"; has...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 2, 2006 12:48 am
... "This set of pencils costs ten dollars." That's the ordinary, everyday use of "set". It means that all the pencils together, not each one individually,...
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Maxim Katcharov
lojban_out
Jun 1, 2006 10:36 pm
... I should make clear that the "set" that I'm talking about is simply what you'd call more than one student. I can't think of a less ambiguous word. "The...
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Jorge LlambÃas
lojban_out
Jun 1, 2006 2:05 pm
... Actually, when the students surround the buiding, each student does perform part of the surrounding of the building. But the converse is not necessarily...
