I've created an Orkut community for us - yell if you want an Invite.
Ok, I admit it - I'm bored...

Hi folks,

Sorry I haven't made it to any meetings since the perl/java meetup in
the Electricity Showrooms in Hoxton.

I'm the guy who runs DiverseBooks.com which is an amateur book
reviews website.

Well I've been trying to develop new components in Java rather than
perl. These are mainly Tomcat/Struts based with a MySQL DB backend.
No EJB. They were mostly developed to learn Struts and perhaps show
symptoms of that.

DiverseBooks suddenly has lots more volunteers on the editing and
reviewing side of things but what is missing is some Java people to
help enhance the site. Help!

The site doesn't earn any money, but we do get free books. You really
need to be London based so that we can meet up sometimes.

Any volunteers? any ideas or suggestions?

Alex

"The Wireless Robocode Championships at S.O.S have developed from
the garden party atmosphere of the first meeting in 2004,
witnessed by a few hundred javaphiles, to a highly professional
tournament attracting an attendance of over 500,000 people
and through the press, radio, internet and television, a following of
millions throughout the world."


Don't miss out on your part in history, code your robot and
come along on 15th March.

   http://tinyurl.com/ys85o

[ That's only TEN days left, for training your little
   droid on the finer points of combat and strategy..! ]

See you then.

jez.

Hi,

I'm trying to find the email address of Steve Heath. Can someone help me
out?

--
Torgeir Veimo <torgeir@...>

It's time for breakfast again...
   http://tinyurl.com/2pty3

jez.

Hi all,
   Carlos Villela is staying over in London for a couple of weeks, but
he hasn't got much on his agenda yet.

   So to keep him entertained, invite him out for lunch or a beer, and
I'm sure he'll talk at length on Prevayler, Naked Objects, JX Path,
writing z80 JVM implementations and other open source fun...

   Here are his contact details:
http://jroller.com/page/cv/20040219#london_pt_ii_rambling

and here is a picture of Carlos, in case you need to pick him out of
a crowded street... http://tinyurl.com/25qvs

Cheers for a cool meetup on monday, plan for breakfast again 1 Mar,
and SOS evening 15 Mar.

jez

At 15:56 12/02/2004, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>Don't forget...
>   London Java Meetup - this monday _night_ (16 Feb 2004)
>
>Details: http://tinyurl.com/2hgfq

Hi folks,

I'd love to come but have a cold. I may not make it in to work tomorrow.

I was wondering how many Apache-friendly people there are in London.

I'm looking to find an area to specialise in and think that "Apache" &
Jakarta is it. The problem is that my firm http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ is
too general and thus hard to market.

Comments.

Alex Mc
http://news.DiverseBooks.com/

Hi all,
Don't forget...
   London Java Meetup - this monday _night_ (16 Feb 2004)

Details: http://tinyurl.com/2hgfq

jez.

Me three.

--- Simon Brown <simon_g_brown@...> wrote:
> Me too. :-)
>
>  --- sam-newman@... wrote: > Fine by me.
>
> >
> > sam
> >
> > Quoting j6wbs <Jeremy.Rayner@...>:
> >
> > > Next meetup, Mon 16th Feb at S.O.S
> > > objections?
> > >
> > > >
> >
>
http://uk.sun.com/events/2004/feb/techdays/index.html
> > > I should be there on the Wednesday, if you wanna
> > do lunch...
> > >
> > > > Given the relationships
> > > > A>B,
> > > > ..
> > > > F>H,
> > > > for example and the question is "A > H" it
> could
> > give
> > > > me true/false answer.
> > > >
> > > > Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.
> > > Take a look at JSR 94 (
> > http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=094 )
> > > which is taking shape in drools (
> > http://drools.codehaus.org )
> > > [not used drools myself yet (sam!), but if I
> read
> > the API correctly
> > > it looks like you _can_ call the core rule
> > assembly stuff direct]
> > >
> > > ... and more java inference engines can be found
> > at
> > > http://tinyurl.com/26fp4
> > >
> > > jez.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > sam
> > http://www.magpiebrain.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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  --- sam-newman@... wrote: > Fine by me.
>
> sam
>
> Quoting j6wbs <Jeremy.Rayner@...>:
>
> > Next meetup, Mon 16th Feb at S.O.S
> > objections?
> >
> > >
>
http://uk.sun.com/events/2004/feb/techdays/index.html
> > I should be there on the Wednesday, if you wanna
> do lunch...
> >
> > > Given the relationships
> > > A>B,
> > > ..
> > > F>H,
> > > for example and the question is "A > H" it could
> give
> > > me true/false answer.
> > >
> > > Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.
> > Take a look at JSR 94 (
> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=094 )
> > which is taking shape in drools (
> http://drools.codehaus.org )
> > [not used drools myself yet (sam!), but if I read
> the API correctly
> > it looks like you _can_ call the core rule
> assembly stuff direct]
> >
> > ... and more java inference engines can be found
> at
> > http://tinyurl.com/26fp4
> >
> > jez.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> sam
> http://www.magpiebrain.com/
>
>





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Fine by me.

sam

Quoting j6wbs <Jeremy.Rayner@...>:

> Next meetup, Mon 16th Feb at S.O.S
> objections?
>
> > http://uk.sun.com/events/2004/feb/techdays/index.html
> I should be there on the Wednesday, if you wanna do lunch...
>
> > Given the relationships
> > A>B,
> > ..
> > F>H,
> > for example and the question is "A > H" it could give
> > me true/false answer.
> >
> > Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.
> Take a look at JSR 94 ( http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=094 )
> which is taking shape in drools ( http://drools.codehaus.org )
> [not used drools myself yet (sam!), but if I read the API correctly
> it looks like you _can_ call the core rule assembly stuff direct]
>
> ... and more java inference engines can be found at
> http://tinyurl.com/26fp4
>
> jez.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>


sam
http://www.magpiebrain.com/

Next meetup, Mon 16th Feb at S.O.S
objections?

> http://uk.sun.com/events/2004/feb/techdays/index.html
I should be there on the Wednesday, if you wanna do lunch...

> Given the relationships
> A>B,
> ..
> F>H,
> for example and the question is "A > H" it could give
> me true/false answer.
>
> Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.
Take a look at JSR 94 ( http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=094 )
which is taking shape in drools ( http://drools.codehaus.org )
[not used drools myself yet (sam!), but if I read the API correctly
it looks like you _can_ call the core rule assembly stuff direct]

... and more java inference engines can be found at
http://tinyurl.com/26fp4

jez.

Alex,

The URL is:

http://uk.sun.com/events/2004/feb/techdays/index.html

Its like JavaOne crammed into two days with less
marketing and more technical stuff and its free. And
yes there is free beer and free T-shirts etc... (and
free food not worth mentioning)

As for your set question, if you make what you are
ordering implement Comparable then implement the
appropriate compareTo method (and hence you also should
override equals and hashCode) then a standard 'TreeSet'
will pick up on this 'natural ordering'. Hope I
understood your question right..

C

At 15:17 04/02/2004, Charles Armstrong wrote:
>is anyone else going (they are free)...
>
>if a few people going then is anyone on for lunch at a
>restuarant on one of the days as the free food last
>year was truly dire???

Some more info - like a URL would be cool. What are
they?
Why should I


  go? Can I drink beer there?




At the risk of changing the subject in the middle of a
thread.
Is there a standard ordered set?

Given the relationships
A>B,
A>C,
C>D,
C>E,
C>F,
B>F,
F>G,
F>H,
for example and the question is "A > H" it could give
me true/false answer.

Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.

Alex



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At 15:17 04/02/2004, Charles Armstrong wrote:
>is anyone else going (they are free)...
>
>if a few people going then is anyone on for lunch at a
>restuarant on one of the days as the free food last
>year was truly dire???

Some more info - like a URL would be cool. What are they?
Why should I go? Can I drink beer there?




At the risk of changing the subject in the middle of a thread.
Is there a standard ordered set?

Given the relationships
A>B,
A>C,
C>D,
C>E,
C>F,
B>F,
F>G,
F>H,
for example and the question is "A > H" it could give me true/false answer.

Oh well. I guess I can implement it myself.

Alex



Openweb Analysts Ltd, London.
Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
Open Source Software Companies please register here
http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/

is anyone else going (they are free)...

if a few people going then is anyone on for lunch at a
restuarant on one of the days as the free food last
year was truly dire???

C

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Here is the breakfast link again, as yahoogroups web form truncated
the link, I mean just who does yahoo get to code this stuff,
truncating URLs, when would you ever want to do that.  tsk. tsk.

http://web1.2020media.com/j/jez/javanicuscom/londonjava/items/90-
index.html

jez.

Hi all,
   Quick reminder that we will be at 'Fox and Anchor' this Monday for
a slap up breakfast.

Details at
http://web1.2020media.com/j/jez/javanicuscom/londonjava/items/90-
index.html

See you there, perhaps?

jez.

At 14:30 12/01/04, Jeremy wrote:
>Just a quick reminder that the meetup is tomorrow night, if you'd
>like to clear that with your loved ones, servers, hamsters and Tivo's.
>
>Details at (temporary) site:
><http://web1.2020media.com/j/jez/javanicuscom/londonjava>http://web1.2020media.\
com/j/jez/javanicuscom/londonjava

Argh. I am doing something else. Hmmm. Maybe I can juggle things.

PS I have a few aging Java books for review on my website
http://news.DiverseBooks.com/

If anyone wants to review them then I might be persuaded to come to
London Java instead of what I am supposed to be doing tonight.

Alex

Just a quick reminder that the meetup is tomorrow night, if you'd
like to clear that with your loved ones, servers, hamsters and Tivo's.

Details at (temporary) site:
http://web1.2020media.com/j/jez/javanicuscom/londonjava

jez.

Sorry, checking my schedule, I have to attend the open day
for our local primary school on the 20th Jan.

So can I suggest this third (and final this time!) date...

   5pm onwards - TUESDAY 13th Jan 2004 @ Smiths of Smithfield
(that's only next tuesday!)

Sorry to muck you all around, destiny is trying to tell me
not to go this month, and I should really listen...

Any objections to 13th Jan?
  if not I'll post the date on londonjava blog Wednesday night...

thanks for bearing with me ;-)

jez.

P.S. my christmas project is online: http://javablogs.com/Jump.jspa?
id=69720

> Is there a plan for the next meeting?

I was hoping to arrange the next meet for

   5pm onwards - TUESDAY 20th Jan 2004 @ Smiths of Smithfield

This would be a change to the normal 'monday', which you
chaps can overrule if you like, but I can't do mondays
for the next two months, as I'll be in dog training classes ;-)

Let me know if tuesday is an issue, I'll be posting the confirmed
details up on the blog in the next day or so, gives you all
a chance to catch up with your emails...

jez.

Hello Folks,

Nice to meet some of you at the Electricity Showrooms.
(I'm the perl/java guy who runs the book reviews website
http://news.DiverseBooks.com)

Is there a plan for the next meeting?

I'll be in the pub on Thursday for the monthly Science Fiction
fan pub meet at the Barley Mow, Long Lane. This sadly
clashes with the London perl mongers meeting.

Ob Java:
I've met one of the guys who did this Struts based web app framework.
Anyone here used it?

http://josephine.runtime-collective.com/josephine/docs/about.html

Alex McLintock
http://www.OWAL.co.uk/

Hi all,
   In order to catch up with each others news before the party on
Monday, I've assembled an OPML file of the bloggers who are
attempting to attend.

You can download it at
  http://javanicus.com/londonjava/lj-dec2003.opml

If you don't know what an OPML file is for, I've listed three ways of
using it on the party invite at
  http://www.javanicus.com/londonjava/items/60-index.html

Anyways, hope the flu hasn't got the better of you, and see you on
Monday night.

jez.

P.S. David @ Electricity Showrooms has rung and confirmed (between 30-
40 people) for that night, should be fun...

Quoting j6wbs <Jeremy.Rayner@...>:

Gah - I'll have to get a stupid haircut to set foot in shoreditch :-)

> Hi all,
>   I've found a place that will do a party of 30-40 for Dec 15th,
> with no 'minimum spend' or 'booking fee'.
>
> Venue: Shoreditch Electricity Showroom
> Review: http://www.fluidfoundation.com/venueDetails.asp?BarRef=1280
> Map: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
> client=public&pc=N16NN&cat=res


sam
http://www.magpiebrain.com/

Hi all,
   I've found a place that will do a party of 30-40 for Dec 15th,
with no 'minimum spend' or 'booking fee'.

Venue: Shoreditch Electricity Showroom
Review: http://www.fluidfoundation.com/venueDetails.asp?BarRef=1280
Map: http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
client=public&pc=N16NN&cat=res

   I'll book this for us, unless anyone has any objections, can you
respond to me/londonj-list by 2pm today:
  * if you think this is the worst possible place for a party,
or
  * you've slept with one of the barmaids, and don't want to go
through a tricky evening...
or
  * any other reason

hope you're all cool and groovy ;)

jez.

London Java Meetup - Xmas Party 2003

Please forward this URL onto interesting people...

   http://www.javanicus.com/londonjava/items/60-index.html

jez.

Quoting j6wbs <Jeremy.Rayner@...>:

> After reading Carlos and Jason's thought-provoking articles (
> http://www.jroller.com/page/cv/20031016#coders_widow_makers ), I
> wonder what lies ahead for us...
>
> * Do you all battle ahead with Java certifications, knowing that
> these technology bound qualifications deprecate so quickly?

Nope - never had a job ask for them, neither have any of my friends.

> * Do you worry that just 'having the knowledge' is enough to get you
> in the door for a job, regardless of academic achievement?

I find that you rarely have exactly what an employer wants, I just make sure
that I show evidence that I'm willing to learn something new and hopefully my CV
reflects that. You need the basics of course (be it SQL, *NIX, JSP, Servlets
etc) but specific java technologies can be learnt.

> * Do bodies like IEEE, BCS promote the 'profession' enough, as most
> doctors are held in awe, whereas my neighbour is confident that he
> knows as much as me about computers, because he uses AOL.
>
> * Will independant regulators crop up, ensuring design patterns are
> applied, programming ethics are maintained etc...

I've been arguing the case for proper recognition of software development as a
profession. However saying it is a profession is a very different thing from it
being a profession. Our closest professional job is probably that of an
architect (in terms of the part science, part art approach) or even engineering,
but both of those jobs require certification. My friend couldn't legally call
himself an architect until he'd completed his seven year course. These degree
courses are fairly standardised - compare that to the computing degrees where
two universities computer science courses can differ drastically. This same
friend also has to have indemnity insurance, as if he gives advice in a pub to
someone on matters architectural he is viewed by law as giving profesional
advice and is liable if he gives bad advice. In my mind professional
certification is a good thing, however its a long way off as we are still fully
understanding this discipline - after all, there have been doctors, architects
and engineers for hundreds of years, we're still pretty new :-)


This is all a bit heavy for a Friday you realise...


sam
http://www.magpiebrain.com/

I think the problem is worse in software.

Cowboy surgeon, patient dies, the end.

Cowboy coder, 10 year nightmare for others to maintain.

C

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After reading Carlos and Jason's thought-provoking articles (
http://www.jroller.com/page/cv/20031016#coders_widow_makers ), I
wonder what lies ahead for us...

* Do you all battle ahead with Java certifications, knowing that
these technology bound qualifications deprecate so quickly?

* Do you worry that just 'having the knowledge' is enough to get you
in the door for a job, regardless of academic achievement?

* Do bodies like IEEE, BCS promote the 'profession' enough, as most
doctors are held in awe, whereas my neighbour is confident that he
knows as much as me about computers, because he uses AOL.

* Will independant regulators crop up, ensuring design patterns are
applied, programming ethics are maintained etc...

yours ramblin'

jez.

Thanks all for a great meetup this month (Nov), it was cool to see
so many techies in one spot, without a corporate sponser keeping the
event fluffy.

   I guess I'll scout about for a couple of venues for the Xmas party,
probably the start of next week.

   Suggestions...

a) SOS again
b) the well - http://www.downthewell.co.uk/thewell.htm
c) the dragon bar - http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/review_1372.html
d) red cow - http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/1700/
e) others....

keep in touch.

jez.