I just recently purchased a CyBi-Print from CyBio.  It is an automated
barcode printer and applier that is stacker fed.  I have not yet had a
chance to give it a real workout, but in preliminary tests, it
appears to be quite robust.

Lisa Kunysz
Lab Automation Support Services, UHTS
Central R & D
Roche, Palo Alto


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gladys_Range@... [SMTP:Gladys_Range@...]
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:28 AM
> To: lisa.kunysz@...
> Subject: Lab-Robotics Discussion: Zymark Presto Labeler
>
> ---------------------
> Lab-Robotics Discussion
> ---------------------
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand the Zymark Presto labeler is the best solution for printing
> and applying barcode labels. Zymark offers the Twister as an automation
> platform for microplates. I am looking for a different automation scheme
> without the arm. A stacking mechanism that moves or shuddles plates from
> the first stack to the Presto for label application and to a second stack
> after completion.  Is anyone currently using the presto in an automated
> configuration for printing stacks of plates?. I'd  appreciate any comments
> and/or suggestions.
>
>
> Gladys V.  Range
> Automation Engineer, Bioinformatics
> Human Genome Science
> 9410 Key West Avenue
> Rockville, MD 20850
> 301-610-5790 Ext 3142
> 301-309-0770 FAX
> gladys_range@...

Tom,

I agree with you completely. We have not been successful in obtaining
reliable chemical resistance information on PEEK. The manufacturers
of the PEEK polymer have show absolutely no interest in providing
information.

Certainly PEEK has a long, successful history of usage in HPLC,
resisting many organic solvents.

We have been advised by several users that PEEK is not satisfactory
for use with TFA and other acids.

We stock a broad selection of PTFE, PTFE-TFM, PFA, and FEP connectors,
tubing, fittings and labware, including multi-well plates. Note that
PTFE-TFM and Teflon-NXT are different brand names for what appears to
be the same material. Properly molded and machined, PTFE has very low
porosity and is less expensive than PTFE-TFM or Teflon-NXT

In addition, we custom fabricate labware from all of the above items.

Regards,

Fred

Fred Spike, President
Spike International, Ltd
PO Box 15410
Wilmington, NC 28408 USA
fred@...
www.spike.cc
Phone: (800) 734-9408
Toll-free Fax:  (877) 561-6015
>From outside the US:
Phone: (910) 790-3380
Fax: (910) 790-2023

---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------
At 04:54 AM 2/28/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Todd,
>
>Both PEEK and PTFE should have excellent chemical resistance against
TFA,
>although PTFE may be slightly better. The main differences that you
should
>see are that PEEK has better mechanical strength and is considerably
more
>expensive than PTFE.
>
>All of the fluoropolymers, such as PTFE, PFA, FEP, PVDF, ETFE are
equally
>chemical resistant to TFA. Teflon(R) is the registered trademark for
>Dupont's brand of fluoropolymers.
>
>PEEK, polyetheretherketone, is not a fluoropolymer. However, it does
have
>excellent overall chemical resistance and is used in applications
requiring
>high physical strength or excellent machinability, such as tubing and
>fittings for HPLC.
>
>PFA is available in ultra-high purity grades that have lower
extractables
>than either PTFE or PEEK.

Fred,

I'll have to disagree with you on this one.  PTFE has much greater
resistance to TFA
over PEEK.  Most chemical resistance charts that we've collected here
at
Charybdis
are woefully inaccurate and generally optimistic.  PEEK has some real
long
term stability
problems with strong organic acids, which become short term problems
if the
organic
acid is diluted with a chlorinated solvent.  I agree with your
assessment of
PEEK's strengths
(mechanical strength, machinable, etc.) however, PEEK rapidly looses
structural integrity
once it's penetrated by the organic acid (with or without carrier
solvent).

PTFE has very good resistance, however its porosity can be its
downfall.
TFA (and/or carrier solvent)
can deposit contaminants into the pores, which can later be extracted
back
into the next operation.

Our recommendation for superior chemical resistance is to look at
what is
commonly in use today in
the semiconductor fabrication industry.
Fluoropolymers/fluorothermoplastics
such as Teflon NXT, PFA,
PFA-UHP, MFA, and THV all offer enhanced chemical resistance, reduced
porosity, and provide alternative
manufacturing options in addition the machining.


Todd - which polymer to use really depends on your application and
how far
up the food chain you want to
go.  For off-the-shelf components stick to PTFE or PFA (the two most
commonly used materials), if you need
to design from the ground up - their are several excellent forming
houses in
the US for getting stock shapes
of the other materials I mentioned (easily found in the Thomas
Register).
These forming houses can also put
you in touch with their primary customers which can often assist you
in
getting the part(s) you need.

Just as a point of reference, as of 1/01/00 Charybdis uses Teflon NXT
for
all long-term chemical exposure
applications, however we still make use of PTFE, PFA and FEP for
tubing,
fittings, etc.

Best Regards,

Tom
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Thomas J. Baiga
President and Chief Executive Officer

Charybdis Technologies, Inc.
5925 Priestly Drive
Suite 101
Carlsbad, California  92008

Phone:  760.930.6100
Fax:    760.930.6099

tjbaiga@...
http://www.charybdis.com/

For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.

Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.

Hope this helps.

Stuart Gibb
201 847 5072.
BD Biosciences



"Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
11:50:49 AM

Please respond to discussion@...

To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
cc:
Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system

---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------
We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of all the
samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the samples
that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to which 96
well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need reanalysis among
many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must be name
and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody make a
recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?


Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
Criminalist
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Forensic Services
DNA Lab
<yamamos@...>

Stuart,
Will you please verify the micronic web address as I cannot find micronic.com
and am interested in Traxis.  Thanks,


>>> <Stuart_Gibb@...> 03/23/00 09:04PM >>>
From: Stuart_Gibb@...


For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.

Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.

Hope this helps.

Stuart Gibb
201 847 5072.
BD Biosciences



"Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
11:50:49 AM

Please respond to discussion@...

To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
cc:
Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system

---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------
We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of all the
samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the samples
that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to which 96
well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need reanalysis among
many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must be name
and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody make a
recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?


Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
Criminalist
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Forensic Services
DNA Lab
<yamamos@...>

I would suggest you check out the print/apply station from velocity11
(former Insight engineers). I worked with the presto labeler before and
while it integrates easily I found it to be somewhat unreliable. Velocity11
has one that is unbelievably fast and labels 2 sides of the plate (so your
label will be placed on both the long and the short side) it's also cheaper
than the presto.
http://www.velocity11.com/product_vcode_vstack_plateloc.html#VCode

Chance Elliott
Automation Development Specialist
Cytokinetics Inc.
280 E Grand Ave
South San Francisco, CA
98080
650.624.3031
mailto:celliott@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Kunysz, Lisa {HIGH~Palo Alto} [mailto:lisa.kunysz@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 5:49 PM
To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] RE: Zymark Presto Labeler


From: "Kunysz, Lisa {HIGH~Palo Alto}" <lisa.kunysz@...>

I just recently purchased a CyBi-Print from CyBio.  It is an automated
barcode printer and applier that is stacker fed.  I have not yet had a
chance to give it a real workout, but in preliminary tests, it
appears to be quite robust.

Lisa Kunysz
Lab Automation Support Services, UHTS
Central R & D
Roche, Palo Alto


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gladys_Range@... [SMTP:Gladys_Range@...]
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:28 AM
> To: lisa.kunysz@...
> Subject: Lab-Robotics Discussion: Zymark Presto Labeler
>
> ---------------------
> Lab-Robotics Discussion
> ---------------------
>
> Hi,
>
> I understand the Zymark Presto labeler is the best solution for printing
> and applying barcode labels. Zymark offers the Twister as an automation
> platform for microplates. I am looking for a different automation scheme
> without the arm. A stacking mechanism that moves or shuddles plates from
> the first stack to the Presto for label application and to a second stack
> after completion.  Is anyone currently using the presto in an automated
> configuration for printing stacks of plates?. I'd  appreciate any comments
> and/or suggestions.
>
>
> Gladys V.  Range
> Automation Engineer, Bioinformatics
> Human Genome Science
> 9410 Key West Avenue
> Rockville, MD 20850
> 301-610-5790 Ext 3142
> 301-309-0770 FAX
> gladys_range@...

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Andy Zaayenga
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LRIG Home & Mid Atlantic Chapter
1730 West Circle Drive
Martinsville, NJ  08836-2147
Tel:  (732)302-1038
Fax:  (508)464-7685
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web site: http://lab-robotics.org

The url for Micronic Traxis is http://www.traxis.micronic.com. Hope this
helps.

David Asa
Bridge Scientific
http://www.bridgescientific.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Eastwold <Pat@...>
To: <Stuart_Gibb@...>; <lrig-discussion@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 8:21 AM
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Re: sample tracking system


> From: "Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...>
>
> Stuart,
> Will you please verify the micronic web address as I cannot find
micronic.com and am interested in Traxis.  Thanks,
>
>
> >>> <Stuart_Gibb@...> 03/23/00 09:04PM >>>
> From: Stuart_Gibb@...
>
>
> For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
> micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.
>
> Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Stuart Gibb
> 201 847 5072.
> BD Biosciences
>
>
>
> "Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
> 11:50:49 AM
>
> Please respond to discussion@...
>
> To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
> cc:
> Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system
>
> ---------------------
> Lab-Robotics Discussion
> ---------------------
> We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of all
the
> samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the
samples
> that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to
which 96
> well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need reanalysis
among
> many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must be
name
> and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody make
a
> recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?
>
>
> Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
> Criminalist
> California Department of Justice
> Bureau of Forensic Services
> DNA Lab
> <yamamos@...>
>
>
>
>
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Pat,

I will send you information as well on the Matrix TrakMates 2D
Barcoded tube system.  Our press release contains info and can also
be found on the LRIG at  http://www.lab-robotics.org/announce   dated
2/7/00

Best regards,

Craig Weiss
Matrix Technologies


To:            Stuart_Gibb@..., lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Date:          Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:21:44 -0600
From:          "Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...>
Reply-to:      lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Subject:       [lrig-discussion] Re: sample tracking system

From: "Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...>

Stuart,
Will you please verify the micronic web address as I cannot find micronic.com
and am interested in Traxis.  Thanks,


>>> <Stuart_Gibb@...> 03/23/00 09:04PM >>>
From: Stuart_Gibb@...


For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.

Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.

Hope this helps.

Stuart Gibb
201 847 5072.
BD Biosciences



"Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
11:50:49 AM

Please respond to discussion@...

To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
cc:
Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system

---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------
We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of all the
samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the samples
that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to which 96
well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need reanalysis among
many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must be name
and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody make a
recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?


Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
Criminalist
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Forensic Services
DNA Lab
<yamamos@...>







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--------------------------------------
Craig Weiss
Consumables Marketing Director
Matrix Technologies Corporation
22 Friars Drive
Hudson, NH  03051
800 345 0206
Fax: 603 595 0106
www.matrixtechcorp.com

Pat

Below is the link for the Micronic Traxis.


Regards Stuart

http://traxis.micronic.com/




"Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...> on 03/24/2000 11:21:44 AM

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From: "Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...>

Stuart,
Will you please verify the micronic web address as I cannot find micronic.com
and am interested in Traxis.  Thanks,


>>> <Stuart_Gibb@...> 03/23/00 09:04PM >>>
From: Stuart_Gibb@...


For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.

Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.

Hope this helps.

Stuart Gibb
201 847 5072.
BD Biosciences



"Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
11:50:49 AM

Please respond to discussion@...

To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
cc:
Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system

---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------
We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of all the
samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the samples
that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to which 96
well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need reanalysis among
many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must be name
and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody make a
recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?


Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
Criminalist
California Department of Justice
Bureau of Forensic Services
DNA Lab
<yamamos@...>







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Stuart,

It looks like a great product offering but I would like to know why
Micronic has once again offered such an automation unfriendly rack? The
Micronic rack is a real pain for automation because the skirt does not
extend all the way to the base and by the pictures on the web page it
appears to be the same.

It will only work properly on locators that capture the corners of the
rack and not the pin type locators that are popular with many robotic
systems (Sciclone, Tecan chilled decks, Platemate, etc...) With
stackers and carousels it is also very painful (Zymark, Platemate,
Tecan, etc...). What we have been forced to do in most cases is either
get custom inserts to extend the skirts or place the rack on top of a
microplate.

Either solution causes trouble and I would be curious to know how other
people on the list handle this.

If it weren't the case that the currently available full skirt models
from other vendors are even worse (they do not hold the tubes at the
same height, have to much play, and fall apart under our rough
handling) we would not use the Micronic rack. Matrix has shown a rack
that appears to be much better and will probably be the one we use when
it gets out to market.

The capping system looks very interesting. Has that been automated? It
looks similar to what we have on the MWG robot which is automated.

Speaking of automation how does the Traxis system fit into automated
systems. We are in the process of purchasing a Bohdan weighing system
and the tube we choose will have to be read by it. I can see how they
will do this easily with the Matrix tubes because the Datamatrix code
is readable by most 2D barcode readers. How is the Traxis software to
integrate to and what hardware would be needed?

Lastly can you send me some samples (Tube, Racks, and Caps)?



At 10:59 AM 3/24/00 , you wrote:
>From: Stuart_Gibb@...
>
>
>
>Pat
>
>Below is the link for the Micronic Traxis.
>
>
>Regards Stuart
>
>http://traxis.micronic.com/
>
>
>
>
>"Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...> on 03/24/2000 11:21:44 AM
>
>Please respond to lrig-discussion@onelist.com
>
>To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX, lrig-discussion@onelist.com
>cc:
>Subject:  [lrig-discussion] Re: sample tracking system
>
>
>
>
>From: "Pat Eastwold" <Pat@...>
>
>Stuart,
>Will you please verify the micronic web address as I cannot find
>micronic.com
>and am interested in Traxis.  Thanks,
>
>
> >>> <Stuart_Gibb@...> 03/23/00 09:04PM >>>
>From: Stuart_Gibb@...
>
>
>For tracking of individual tube go check the web site for
>micronic.com look for new product called Traxis.
>
>Check the BD we site bd.com look under palm tracking system.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Stuart Gibb
>201 847 5072.
>BD Biosciences
>
>
>
>"Shigeshi Yamamoto" <yamamos@...> on 03/20/2000
>11:50:49 AM
>
>Please respond to discussion@...
>
>To:   Stuart Gibb/FLKS/BDX
>cc:
>Subject:  Lab-Robotics Discussion: sample tracking system
>
>---------------------
>Lab-Robotics Discussion
>---------------------
>We are looking for a commercially available software to keep track of
>all the
>samples at our facility.  This software must be able to keep track the
>samples
>that came through the door, where each samples are in the process, to
>which 96
>well plate it is associated, and keep track of which ones need
>reanalysis among
>many things.  All samples are assigned bar code number but there must
>be name
>and few other items associated with each of the samples.  Can anybody
>make a
>recommendation (or tell me which softwares to stay away from)?
>
>
>Shigeshi "Shag" Yamamoto
>Criminalist
>California Department of Justice
>Bureau of Forensic Services
>DNA Lab
><yamamos@...>

~~~~
Peter Niggemann
Sr. Automation Engineer
Cereon Genomics, LLC.
45 Sidney Street
Cambridge, MA 02139
Phone: (617) 551-8234
Fax: (617) 551-1960
mailto:peter.niggemann@...

Gladys,

Check our web page. Hudson offers print and apply systems with stackers and
robotic arms.

Regards
Shawn Smith
Hudson Control Group
PH:      508-634-9965
FAX:    508-422-9507
ssmith@...
www.hudsoncontrol.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Gladys_Range@...
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:28 AM
To: ssmith@...
Subject: Lab-Robotics Discussion: Zymark Presto Labeler


---------------------
Lab-Robotics Discussion
---------------------

Hi,

I understand the Zymark Presto labeler is the best solution for printing
and applying barcode labels. Zymark offers the Twister as an automation
platform for microplates. I am looking for a different automation scheme
without the arm. A stacking mechanism that moves or shuddles plates from
the first stack to the Presto for label application and to a second stack
after completion.  Is anyone currently using the presto in an automated
configuration for printing stacks of plates?. I'd  appreciate any comments
and/or suggestions.


Gladys V.  Range
Automation Engineer, Bioinformatics
Human Genome Science
9410 Key West Avenue
Rockville, MD 20850
301-610-5790 Ext 3142
301-309-0770 FAX
gladys_range@...

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I need to become better informed on the options available
for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
   Tom McCloud
   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research

Take a look at RTS Thurnall from the UK, I think the website is:
www.rtsthurnall.com.  They provide large and small scale storage systems
both in Freezer and incubator environments.  They are also capable of very
customized systems.  I have been impressed with the quality and throughput
of some of the systems I have seen (though I have not used one personally).

Good luck.

-rob nail
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Nail             Velocity11
COO                          "the speed of discovery"
webpage:  www.velocity11.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom McCloud [mailto:McCloud@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:42 AM
To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Automated Microtiter Plate Storage &
Retrieval Manufactu



   I need to become better informed on the options available
for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
   Tom McCloud
   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research

Dear Tom,

ask Remp US or Remp in Switzerland.
We are using a so-called "mixed warehouse", including flasks, tubes, DWPs
and MTPs at a temperature of +4deg. but I know that Remp has realized
storage systems for -20deg as well.

With kindest regards
Uwe Schoen
Solvay Pharmaceuticals

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tom McCloud  [SMTP:McCloud@...]
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 30. März 2000 14:42
> An: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
> Betreff: [lrig-discussion] Automated Microtiter Plate Storage &
> Retrieval Manufactu
>
>
>   I need to become better informed on the options available
> for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
> plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
> system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
> freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
> systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
>   Tom McCloud
>   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research
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Dear Tom,

      The most often used large scale storage and retrieval system is the
      Haystack from the Automation Partnership in the UK.  If you are at the
      SAIC in San Diego, then you should also check into the AMCS Store from
      Aurora Biosciences.  Both should have links in the Vendors section of
      the LRIG web site.

      Doug Gurevitch


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Date:    03/30/2000 7:41 AM



   I need to become better informed on the options available
for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
   Tom McCloud
   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research

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check out TekCel.  they have a modular storage system that I like much
better then the Haystack types.  being modular, when one goes out the others
are able to take up the slack.  when a monolithic system like Haystack goes
down, all of your compounds are unavailable.

also, the physical layout of multiple modules is more flexible and can be
distributed in proximity to workcenters.  small conveyors or AGV's could be
used to transfer samples between modules if needed.

the database doesn't care where the modules are and being able to have a
storage system in the various departements (recieving, QC, systhesis, HTS,
etc.) is more productive and keeps the samples in a monitored space longer.

for long-term secure storage, the modules could be rolled into a locked room
when filled.  to retrieve, just roll them out and under the gantry retrieval
system and you're back in business.


da


>
>   I need to become better informed on the options available
> for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
> plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
> system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
> freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
> systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
>   Tom McCloud
>   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research
>

Hello Tom,

Visit our website as a start and I'll follow-up direct with you.  See below
for our website address.

Regards,
Michael Girardi
President

REMP USA, Inc.
Westborough Office Park
1700 West Park Drive, Westborough, MA  01581   USA
office: 800-460-REMP(7367)   fax: 508-366-2534
website: www.remp-ch.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom McCloud [mailto:McCloud@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:42 AM
To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Automated Microtiter Plate Storage &
Retrieval Manufactu



   I need to become better informed on the options available
for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
   Tom McCloud
   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research

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Tom McCloud wrote:
>
>   I need to become better informed on the options available
> for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
> plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
> system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
> freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
> systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
>   Tom McCloud
>   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research

We think we can do this. We have done testing and development of our R15
system down to -20C and we know the problems. Please reply if you would
like to discuss.

Regards, David
--
________________________________________________________
       David N. Sands, ST Robotics International
       Website: http://www.strobotics.com

Dear Tom,

The Automation Partnership has implemented a number of systems, both small
e.g. 5000 plates and large e.g. >150,000 plates, and our robots work at a
range of temperatures, including -20C.

There are different physical layouts you can have, depending upon your
demands for thoughput, thawing, and your available space (and ceiling
height).

We have both carousel type systems and narrow aisle systems that support
different vessel types (e.g. deep plates, shallow plates, microtubes,
bottles) simultaneously. These can be stand-alone storage systems, or they
can be linked mechanically or just by control data to inventory management
systems and liquid handling systems.

For more information, please contact Mark Gedrych at our Boston Office:
Tel: 508-359-5800

With Regards,

David Booth.

At 07:41 AM 3/30/00 -0500, Tom McCloud wrote:
>
>  I need to become better informed on the options available
>for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
>plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
>system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
>freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
>systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
>  Tom McCloud
>  SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research
>

David Booth, The Automation Partnership(Cambridge) Ltd
Registered Office: Melbourn Science Park, Royston, Herts, SG8 6HB, UK
Registered in England, Company No:2823205 http://www.autoprt.co.uk
Tel: +44 1763 262026 x252 Fax: +44 1763 262613 mailto:dnb@...

The view of Haystack as a 'monolith' is a bit of a misconception. Haystack
may have big stores, but it is modular. Tom's question was about the
long-term storage of 300,000 plates in a turnkey system. That is a lot of
modules with a capacity of 1,000 or 2,000 plates each for Tom to integrate
himself with a conveyor, AGV or gantry retrieval system. The TekCel is
certainly a nice system, especially for the transport of plates from one
location to another. (In fact, some Haystack systems may be using TekCel
PlateStores for just that purpose in the near future.) But for bulk storage
of that many plates you should be looking at something more appropriately
sized. Even Haystack wouldn't store that number of plates is a single
monolithic module. Instead they would be distributed between separate
(large) -20degC storage modules in a turnkey system with a central database.
The small module approach would require you to integrate 300 separate
modules, each with their own database, yourself.
__________________________________________________________
Mark Gedrych, The Automation Partnership Inc
266 Main Street, Suite 26, Medfield, MA 02052, USA
Tel: (508) 359 5800 Ext 23 Fax: (508) 359 9352
mailto:Mark.Gedrych@... http://www.autoprt.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Allen [mailto:davidallen@...]
> Sent: Thursday 30 March 2000 18:37
> To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: [lrig-discussion] Automated Microtiter Plate Storage & R
>
>
> check out TekCel.  they have a modular storage system that I like much
> better then the Haystack types.  being modular, when one goes out
> the others
> are able to take up the slack.  when a monolithic system like
> Haystack goes
> down, all of your compounds are unavailable.
>
> also, the physical layout of multiple modules is more flexible and can be
> distributed in proximity to workcenters.  small conveyors or
> AGV's could be
> used to transfer samples between modules if needed.
>
> the database doesn't care where the modules are and being able to have a
> storage system in the various departements (recieving, QC, systhesis, HTS,
> etc.) is more productive and keeps the samples in a monitored
> space longer.
>
> for long-term secure storage, the modules could be rolled into a
> locked room
> when filled.  to retrieve, just roll them out and under the
> gantry retrieval
> system and you're back in business.
>
>
> da
>
>
> >
> >   I need to become better informed on the options available
> > for long-term storage and retrieval of pre-made microtiter
> > plates.   Are there manufacturers who would offer a turnkey
> > system capable of storage of 300,000 plates in -20deg.
> > freezers?   Experiences that users have had with various
> > systems, both good and bad, would be welcomed.
> >   Tom McCloud
> >   SAIC/Frederick Cancer Research
> >

From: "Bruner, Jimmy" <jb37006@...
Subject: Looking for Solution
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:51:56 -0500

To all,

I am looking for a liquid dispenser similar to the multidrop in size and
function. The only twist is the following: instead of having the plate move
under the dispensing head, I want the dispensing head to move over the
plate.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jimmy Bruner

Does anyone know of a CO2 sensor/injector similar to those in cell
   incubators but stand-alone.  I was thinking something like this might be
   nice for our Allegro.  If not an integrated sensor/injector maybe
   components that can be controlled by rs232?

   Thanks,
   Matt Smicker
   Aventis

Jimmy,

Scitec has made such a unit on a filtration device. It is basically
just an arm with a manifold on it driven by a stepper motor with a
Cavro syringe dispensing. You should ask them if they have made one for
just liquid dispensing only however they may not provide such things
anymore.



At 06:05 AM 4/1/00 , you wrote:
>From: "Bruner, Jimmy" <jb37006@...
>Subject: Looking for Solution
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:51:56 -0500
>
>To all,
>
>I am looking for a liquid dispenser similar to the multidrop in size and
>function. The only twist is the following: instead of having the plate
>move
>under the dispensing head, I want the dispensing head to move over the
>plate.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jimmy Bruner
>

~~~~
Peter Niggemann
Sr. Automation Engineer
Cereon Genomics, LLC.
45 Sidney Street
Cambridge, MA 02139
Phone: (617) 551-8234
Fax: (617) 551-1960
mailto:peter.niggemann@...

The GenMate head moves in the Y direction, but the plate moves in the X.
Will that provide the capability you need?



-----Original Message-----
From: "Bruner, Jimmy" <jb37006@...
Subject: Looking for Solution
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:51:56 -0500

To all,

I am looking for a liquid dispenser similar to the multidrop in size and
function. The only twist is the following: instead of having the plate move
under the dispensing head, I want the dispensing head to move over the
plate.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jimmy Bruner

Dear Jimmy,

MATRIX Technologies offers a bench-top pipetting system that
operates in the manner you've described.  Our SerialMate features
a 8/12 channel manifold that travels across a stationary 4 position
platform.  The SerialMate is capable of performing serial dilution,
row by row dispense, incremental dispense and sample transfer.
I'd be happy to provide you with any additional information if you are
interested in the SerialMate.  Please feel free to contact me or visit
our web site at www.matrixtechcorp.com.

Kind regards,

Gail M. Lachs
Manager of Automation Sales
MATRIX Technologies Corporation
(800) 345-0206 ext 151
glachs@...



> To all,
>
> I am looking for a liquid dispenser similar to the multidrop in size and
> function. The only twist is the following: instead of having the plate move
> under the dispensing head, I want the dispensing head to move over the
> plate.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jimmy Bruner
>

I'm looking for UV lights to mount on my Tecan Genesis RSP to prevent DNA
contamination.  We use DNA samples and are worried about cross-contamination
due to spills on the deck.  I'd like them to be on a timer and turn on at
night when no one is working.  Can anyone recommend a supplier or some
possibilities?

Regina

We had Airfiltronix build a hood for the Genesis to maintain a sterile
environment. This hood included UV lights on a timer. Please contact
Airfitronix directly. They might be able to supply you with just the UV
lights.

My contact there is Chris Proffitt, 973-779-5577



		 -----Original Message-----
		 From: Regina Gorski [mailto:rgorski@...]
		 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 4:43 PM
		 To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
		 Subject: [lrig-discussion] UV Light to prevent DNA
contamination

		 I'm looking for UV lights to mount on my Tecan Genesis RSP
to prevent DNA
		 contamination.  We use DNA samples and are worried about
cross-contamination
		 due to spills on the deck.  I'd like them to be on a timer
and turn on at
		 night when no one is working.  Can anyone recommend a
supplier or some
		 possibilities?







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This may sound funny, but you should check out a company called Germ-o-ray /
Insect-o-cutor at www.germ-o-ray.com.  Call and talk to Jack Harris.  He can
tell you everything you need to know about germicidal lights and uv
disinfection.  They actually are a large supplier of airborne disinfection
units for medical clinics and hospitals.
If you want a do it yourself solution, buy some Germicidal Fluorescent bulbs
from OSRAM Sylvania or Phillips, the relevant ballast, and a cheap timer
from HomeDepot, wire them up properly and away you go.
Unfortunately, there is not a whole lot of well documented information on
the efficiency of surface disinfection with Overhead UV lights.  There are a
lot of misc. factors to take into account.  Philips Lighting put out a
document titled "Disinfection by UV-radiation" which is very informative and
I believe can be downloaded from their site.

Good luck,

-rob
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-----Original Message-----
From: Regina Gorski [mailto:rgorski@...]
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:43 PM
To: lrig-discussion@onelist.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] UV Light to prevent DNA contamination


I'm looking for UV lights to mount on my Tecan Genesis RSP to prevent DNA
contamination.  We use DNA samples and are worried about cross-contamination
due to spills on the deck.  I'd like them to be on a timer and turn on at
night when no one is working.  Can anyone recommend a supplier or some
possibilities?







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