Dear Group Members,

I am looking for someone who is still familiar with the Affymetrix, formerly
Genetic Microsystems, GMS 417 Arrayer.
I would need somebody with the expertise to trouble-shoot and eventually repair
this instrument.

Anybody out there? Anybody who knows someone who could help?
Thank you.

Kind regards,
Matthias
Matrix Sensors, Inc.
Pleasanton, CA

But will vendors give us the info we need ? It is difficult for them to work
on a common framework  - it is not something that fits with a vendor model.

I would advocate instead something like www.newegg.com
<http://www.newegg.com/>



This is a good model for an online database of products because theyhave
lots of filters,

Eg, if you are looking for a laptop, you can filter by ram (2 gig, 3 gig,
etc) screen size (12", 14", etc) processor, etc etc

The lab equivalent would be for a microplate, a site that has all
microplates, and lets you filter the list by material (ps, pp, glass, mixed,
other) color (clear, white, black, mixed, other) well bottom shape
(round/flat) well shape, etc.

The same thing for equipment would be great, eg if you are looking for a
liquid handler, you could spec wells, volume, pump type,



   _____

From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jliscouski
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
Product/Service Listing Service





The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
(the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
services later this week). The purpose of the site is to provide a
persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
idea of what is available and where to get more information. All
products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).

There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
learn about the technologies as well as products.

The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
technologies. Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
develop. The income from the site will be used to support the site and
develop additional programs.

The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
visiting http://www.institut
<http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html

The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
http://www.Institut <http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org> eLabAuto.org





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Ezra,

You should take a look at www.hivideon.com
It is already populated and has most of those features you are looking for
plus more.
The filtering aspects are being improved with every release as well as
enhanced features, and the database grows daily. The mobile app will be
available for iPhone, Android, Windows Mobile and BlackBerry devices
shortly.

   _____

From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ezra S Abrams
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:46 AM
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
Product/Service Listing Service




But will vendors give us the info we need ? It is difficult for them to work
on a common framework - it is not something that fits with a vendor model.

I would advocate instead something like www.newegg.com
<http://www.newegg. <http://www.newegg.com/> com/>

This is a good model for an online database of products because theyhave
lots of filters,

Eg, if you are looking for a laptop, you can filter by ram (2 gig, 3 gig,
etc) screen size (12", 14", etc) processor, etc etc

The lab equivalent would be for a microplate, a site that has all
microplates, and lets you filter the list by material (ps, pp, glass, mixed,
other) color (clear, white, black, mixed, other) well bottom shape
(round/flat) well shape, etc.

The same thing for equipment would be great, eg if you are looking for a
liquid handler, you could spec wells, volume, pump type,

_____

From: lrig-discussion@ <mailto:lrig-discussion%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lrig-discussion@ <mailto:lrig-discussion%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jliscouski
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM
To: lrig-discussion@ <mailto:lrig-discussion%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
Product/Service Listing Service

The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
(the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
services later this week). The purpose of the site is to provide a
persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
idea of what is available and where to get more information. All
products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).

There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
learn about the technologies as well as products.

The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
technologies. Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
develop. The income from the site will be used to support the site and
develop additional programs.

The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
visiting http://www.institut
<http://www.institut
<http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html

The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
http://www.Institut <http://www.Institut <http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org>
eLabAuto.org> eLabAuto.org

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Do we really need another portal of aggregated product information? These sorts
of sites, like Biocompare, Selectsciences, and others that have come and gone
are not particularly useful because they are never complete (all available
products) and up to date, or end up showing only products from vendors who have
paid the most to list. The best source of product information is straight from
the vendors' web sites.

--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "jliscouski" <j.liscouski@...> wrote:
>
> The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
> developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
> about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
> (the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
> services later this week).  The purpose of the site is to provide a
> persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
> Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
> idea of what is available and where to get more information.    All
> products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
> your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
> one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).
>
> There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
> learn about the technologies as well as products.
>
> The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
> layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
> Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
> technologies.  Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
> develop.  The income from the site will be used to support the site and
> develop additional programs.
>
> The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
> viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
> Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
> visiting http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html
>
> The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
> http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org
>

I recommend Labhoo.com, a vertical search engine which includes most of the lab
automation companies already.  It indexes every site frequently, so new
applications and products put up on those sites are automatically indexed.

It is not a substitute for a database with filters, but you can describe
keywords quite well.

Walt Schick
BioSepCo
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ezra S Abrams
   To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 3:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
Product/Service Listing Service



   But will vendors give us the info we need ? It is difficult for them to work
   on a common framework - it is not something that fits with a vendor model.

   I would advocate instead something like www.newegg.com
   <http://www.newegg.com/>

   This is a good model for an online database of products because theyhave
   lots of filters,

   Eg, if you are looking for a laptop, you can filter by ram (2 gig, 3 gig,
   etc) screen size (12", 14", etc) processor, etc etc

   The lab equivalent would be for a microplate, a site that has all
   microplates, and lets you filter the list by material (ps, pp, glass, mixed,
   other) color (clear, white, black, mixed, other) well bottom shape
   (round/flat) well shape, etc.

   The same thing for equipment would be great, eg if you are looking for a
   liquid handler, you could spec wells, volume, pump type,

   _____

   From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jliscouski
   Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM
   To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
   Product/Service Listing Service

   The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
   developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
   about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
   (the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
   services later this week). The purpose of the site is to provide a
   persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
   Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
   idea of what is available and where to get more information. All
   products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
   your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
   one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).

   There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
   learn about the technologies as well as products.

   The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
   layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
   Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
   technologies. Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
   develop. The income from the site will be used to support the site and
   develop additional programs.

   The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
   viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
   Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
   visiting http://www.institut
   <http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
   elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html

   The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
   http://www.Institut <http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org> eLabAuto.org

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Colleagues,
We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore stainless
steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to hear it.
Thanks in advance,
Greg.

Dear LRIG members,

I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
able to shed some light on it.

We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating the
worktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was severely
warped.
After asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
impossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
A few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't look
that flat when lying on one of our benches.
It could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
sheet.

But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with the
QC data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid handler.
And it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
about the flatness of the deck.
I keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
come yet from the factory.

Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
worktable?
If so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
then the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
Would you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
have?

Thank you very much in advance!

Cheers,
Xavier.


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Seriously? A message about a content aggregate site that is not really needed is
replied to by the owners of two more aggredate sites that really are not needed
either?

Google might be a simpler solution without all the fuss.

--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "jliscouski" <j.liscouski@...> wrote:
>
> The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
> developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
> about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
> (the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
> services later this week).  The purpose of the site is to provide a
> persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
> Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
> idea of what is available and where to get more information.    All
> products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
> your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
> one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).
>
> There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
> learn about the technologies as well as products.
>
> The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
> layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
> Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
> technologies.  Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
> develop.  The income from the site will be used to support the site and
> develop additional programs.
>
> The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
> viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
> Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
> visiting http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html
>
> The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
> http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org
>

Hi... I'll comment here on a couple of points.  This is not intended to be a
shopping site - you won't be able to place orders.  This is intended to be a
starting point for finding out what is out there and learning about product
technologies.  There will be (we expect) a wide range of products listed.  If
you are looking to find out what LIMS, electronic lab notebook, chromatographic
data system, Eliza processing, etc. you'd have a list of products to begin
evaluating, with links to vendor sites for more details.

As for vendors providing the information you need... that is up to their web
sites.  This is intended to provide summary information so that you can start
your evaluations.

We are open to suggestions for improving the site and it's utility.  We expect
-- though we might be surprised -- that most products will need much more
extensive evaluation prior to purchase than a loptop..


--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ezra S Abrams" <ezracolbert@...> wrote:
>
> But will vendors give us the info we need ? It is difficult for them to work
> on a common framework  - it is not something that fits with a vendor model.
>
> I would advocate instead something like www.newegg.com
> <http://www.newegg.com/>
>
>
>
> This is a good model for an online database of products because theyhave
> lots of filters,
>
> Eg, if you are looking for a laptop, you can filter by ram (2 gig, 3 gig,
> etc) screen size (12", 14", etc) processor, etc etc
>
> The lab equivalent would be for a microplate, a site that has all
> microplates, and lets you filter the list by material (ps, pp, glass, mixed,
> other) color (clear, white, black, mixed, other) well bottom shape
> (round/flat) well shape, etc.
>
> The same thing for equipment would be great, eg if you are looking for a
> liquid handler, you could spec wells, volume, pump type,
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jliscouski
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:52 AM
> To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [lrig-discussion] Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
> Product/Service Listing Service
>
>
>
>
>
> The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
> developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
> about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
> (the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
> services later this week). The purpose of the site is to provide a
> persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
> Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
> idea of what is available and where to get more information. All
> products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
> your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
> one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).
>
> There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
> learn about the technologies as well as products.
>
> The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
> layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
> Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
> technologies. Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
> develop. The income from the site will be used to support the site and
> develop additional programs.
>
> The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
> viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
> Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
> visiting http://www.institut
> <http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
> elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html
>
> The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
> http://www.Institut <http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org> eLabAuto.org
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Anyone got any experience automating an ABI 3730XL?   I know it has a
stacker for unattended runs, but I have a client who would like to
automate loading immediately after a plate is prepped.   Could not find
any specific references to robotic loading or remote software control
capability in my web searches.

Thanks,

KK

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Business Unit Manager
Automation, Consulting, Engineering & Services (A.C.E.S)
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Ah, but that depends on knowing what vendors to go to, and search
engine(s) are not always helpful. If this information is well indexed it
could be useful. Such an index could be developed over time so that
products are presented to suit a particular requirement, then the user
can click a link to the vendor for more detail.
Small pictures would help too if I may suggest that.

David

________________________________________________________
        David N. Sands, ST Robotics International
        Website: http://strobotics.com
        robotics within reach
________________________________________________________

On 04/05/2010 14:44, jroq22 wrote:
> Do we really need another portal of aggregated product information?
> These sorts of sites, like Biocompare, Selectsciences, and others
> that have come and gone are not particularly useful because they are
> never complete (all available products) and up to date, or end up
> showing only products from vendors who have paid the most to list.
> The best source of product information is straight from the vendors'
> web sites.
>
> --- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "jliscouski"<j.liscouski@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization)
>> has developed a web based framework for listing and getting
>> information about products used in laboratory automation and
>> scientific computing (the system will be expanded to cover
>> consulting and educational services later this week).  The purpose
>> of the site is to provide a persistent and developing list of
>> products and reference material. Vendors can list their offerings,
>> those looking for products can get an idea of what is available and
>> where to get more information.    All products will be listed in
>> the same format, so regardless of the size of your company, you get
>> equal space and presentation (there is a small, one-time charge for
>> product listings, no renewals needed).
>>
>> There is also provision for listing reference material so that you
>> can learn about the technologies as well as products.
>>
>> The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect
>> the layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer
>> requests. Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of
>> product and technologies.  Start simple, and grow as the community
>> sees things develop.  The income from the site will be used to
>> support the site and develop additional programs.
>>
>> The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings -
>> can be viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu
>> items]> Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down
>> menu, or by visiting
>> http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html
>>
>> The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
>> http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org
>>
>
>
>
>
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Greg,
There are as you might have "googled" found many who do custom stainless tubing
work in the needle size (typically gauge size >12).
To give you relevant recommendations I need to know specific on at least the
following:
1- the size of needle or tubing (I.D., O.D. or gauge and length) 2- type of
custom work needed (e.g. forming, welding, machining, etc.) 3- the material
preferred and finish required.

Regards,

Amer El-Hage
Principal
Beeston Engineering Consulting
415-314-9267
650-854-7419 (fax)
amerhaj@...



-----Original Message-----
From: GregoryRRyan <gregory.r.ryan@...>
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:15 pm
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Source for custom stainless needles


Colleagues,
e are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore stainless
teel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to hear it.
hanks in advance,
reg.

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Try New England Small Tube
http://www.nesmalltube.com/

Olaf

GregoryRRyan wrote:
>
>
> Colleagues,
> We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore
> stainless steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be
> interested to hear it.
> Thanks in advance,
> Greg.
>
>


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Xavier,
If the sheet metal parts are not part of the frame structure and are just
surface cover then their flatness is not critical.
The manufacturer would not need to have or supply this (design and engineering)
data. I am assuming that you will screw (or bolt) these "warped" sheet metal
plates to the base frame to create a working surface. The frame or base is the
important structure and where flatness is measured at originally.
Usually flatness is specified and measured or inspected first on the datum major
component levels, and at the final or assembled stage and not of the individual
parts that makes the assembly. To do each is a lot of work and not necessary if
all the parts come from the same manufacturer specs.

Flatness is usually determined from several points on a base plane or by
sweeping a dial indicator along the surface to measure the maximum deviation or
deflection.

I hope this made sense. If not, then I didn't understand your problem well, so
please send me pictures or more info.

Best Regards,

Amer El-Hage
Principal
Beeston Engineering Consulting
415-314-9267
650-854-7419 (fax)
amerhaj@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Xavier Perrodon <xavier.perrodon@...>
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 1:33 am
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Liquid handler worktable flatness?


Dear LRIG members,
I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
ble to shed some light on it.
We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating the
orktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was severely
arped.
fter asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
mpossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
  few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't look
hat flat when lying on one of our benches.
t could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
heet.
But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with the
C data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid handler.
nd it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
bout the flatness of the deck.
  keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
ome yet from the factory.
Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
orktable?
f so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
hen the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
ould you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
ave?
Thank you very much in advance!
Cheers,
avier.

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Hi Greg,

Custom devices may be obtained from Cadence Science (formerly Popper and
Sons).
http://www.cadencescience.com/

Cheers
Steve
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   From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of GregoryRRyan
   Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:16 PM
   To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [lrig-discussion] Source for custom stainless needles



   Colleagues,
   We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore
stainless steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to
hear it.
   Thanks in advance,
   Greg.






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Try;

  http://www.nesmalltube.com/

KK

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Colleagues,
We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore
stainless steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be
interested to hear it.
Thanks in advance,
Greg.


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Hey Greg - Two recommendations:

New England Small Tube http://www.nesmalltube.com/
or
Cadence Science (a.k.a. Popper & Sons) http://www.cadencescience.com/

Good luck!

Tom Wright
Product Manager, Tecan Integration Group
Tecan US, Inc.

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From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of GregoryRRyan
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:16 PM
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Source for custom stainless needles



Colleagues,
We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore stainless
steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to hear it.
Thanks in advance,
Greg.



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Which country are you in?

If in the UK, I can offer a suggestion


Yours sincerely,
Tony Chalkly

tel: 01993 850 685

mob: 07791 315 791




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   From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
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   Sent: 06 May 2010 01:16
   To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: {Spam?} [lrig-discussion] Source for custom stainless needles



   Colleagues,
   We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore
stainless steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to
hear it.
   Thanks in advance,
   Greg.






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In the past I've used Kloehn and New England Small Tube for custom needles. 
There's also Popper & Sons and Hamilton.

Philip

--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "GregoryRRyan" <gregory.r.ryan@...>
wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
> We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore stainless
steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to hear it.
> Thanks in advance,
> Greg.
>

The more tools available to help us deal with the challenges of today should
be welcomed. I for one am very happy that the vendors did not stop creating
liquid handlers after Tomtec created theirs. Google came about while other
search engines existed like Yahoo, Excite etc.. I am happy that more have
since been created allowing us to take advantage of their unique
configurations at providing access to information.  LRIG moved from a forum
to yahoogroups and linked-in because the far reaching technologies they
employed and have now made it more convenient for us to communicate. I for
one welcome and participate in the new tools that come available to us. If
the tool  doesn't add up to what the target audience needs it will adapt or
fail like the others you mention. New ones will emerge as the need to
fulfill the quest for knowledge is still there. I have been a member of this
group for years and have read many times over the request for the same
information. The delay to obtain the response slows down progress. Hivideon
was inspired by the need to gather product information quickly and provide
you the ability to drill down further if required. It also provides
maintenance scheduling and a forum for each device enabling the user(s) and
vendor to provide a complete online support infrastructure even if the
vendor is no longer in business thus enabling the surplus vendors to support
the existing devices. Note Hivideon is not a website but an application that
is deployable to your desktop and mobile devices once again providing
another configuration that aims to increase knowledge accessibility. It too
will have to adapt or fail.




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From: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jroq22
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:29 PM
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Re: Institute for Lab Automation: Lab Automation
Product/Service Listing Service




Seriously? A message about a content aggregate site that is not really
needed is replied to by the owners of two more aggredate sites that really
are not needed either?

Google might be a simpler solution without all the fuss.

--- In lrig-discussion@ <mailto:lrig-discussion%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "jliscouski" <j.liscouski@...> wrote:
>
> The Institute for Laboratory Automation (a non-profit organization) has
> developed a web based framework for listing and getting information
> about products used in laboratory automation and scientific computing
> (the system will be expanded to cover consulting and educational
> services later this week). The purpose of the site is to provide a
> persistent and developing list of products and reference material.
> Vendors can list their offerings, those looking for products can get an
> idea of what is available and where to get more information. All
> products will be listed in the same format, so regardless of the size of
> your company, you get equal space and presentation (there is a small,
> one-time charge for product listings, no renewals needed).
>
> There is also provision for listing reference material so that you can
> learn about the technologies as well as products.
>
> The reason this is referred to as a "framework" is that we expect the
> layout and design to change as a result of vendor and viewer requests.
> Over time, it should reflect the way you view the use of product and
> technologies. Start simple, and grow as the community sees things
> develop. The income from the site will be used to support the site and
> develop additional programs.
>
> The site - which is ready to be populated with product listings - can be
> viewed from the Institutes home page (Resources [left menu items] >
> Product Listing), from interior page Resources pull-down menu, or by
> visiting http://www.institut
<http://www.institutelabauto.org/ProductList/index.html>
elabauto.org/ProductList/index.html
>
> The Institutes home page can be viewed at:
> http://www.Institut <http://www.InstituteLabAuto.org> eLabAuto.org
>






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We have had good luck and decent prices from New England Small Tube.

http://www.nesmalltube.com/

Bryan

--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, "GregoryRRyan" <gregory.r.ryan@...>
wrote:
>
> Colleagues,
> We are looking for a supplier or manufacturer of custom small bore stainless
steel needles. If anyone has a recommendation I'd be interested to hear it.
> Thanks in advance,
> Greg.
>

Try Popper & Sons - now called http://www.cadencescience.com/

They have made customs for me before.



matt



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Dear all

thanks a lot for your detailed feedback.

As you mentionned it, it should not be a concern for channel-by-channel
pipetting (8 independant tips).
This said, if a plate is not sitting perfectly flat on the worktable, it
will not be where it is supposed to be and this will lead to imprecise
pipetting.

Nevertheless the reason of my concern is that my customers need to pipette
low volumes very close to the well bottom with a 96-channel pipettor
(something like 1 µL from 10 µL in a 96-well V-bottom PP plate), and I want
to make sure that all tip ends come to equal distance to the well bottoms
(otherwise some tips may end up with some air which is what we are trying to
avoid).
So the x-y-deviation is not that important as the V shape will guide the
tips to the well bottom.
On the other hand the z-deviation is important as we aspirate at 0.5 mm from
the well bottom.

Anyway, it seems I will have to trust the manufacturer and do all the
testing myself.

Thanks all for your help.

Cheers,
Xavier.


2010/5/5 Xavier Perrodon <xavier.perrodon@...>

> Dear LRIG members,
>
> I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
> able to shed some light on it.
>
> We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating
> the worktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was
> severely warped.
> After asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
> impossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
> A few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't look
> that flat when lying on one of our benches.
> It could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
> sheet.
>
> But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with the
> QC data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid handler.
> And it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
> about the flatness of the deck.
> I keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
> come yet from the factory.
>
> Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
> worktable?
> If so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
> then the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
> Would you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
> have?
>
> Thank you very much in advance!
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>


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Xavier,

I understand your concern and requirement better now.
The Z-axis variability comes from many sources as you've undoubtedly found out.
There are the tips, the plate and the traveling dispense head plane for example.
The surface or the "plane" the 8 pipette with tips travel/sweep has to be
parallel to the bottom datum or plate plane for this to work..
The 0.5mm distance you want to achieve for the tips off the bottom across the
plate with current (passive or open loop) equipment and molded microplates will
vary from experience between 0 mm or 1mm off the bottom (tip end to datum). You
see, unless you actually restrain or hold down the plate bottom to a known
surface that is flat and parallel to the tip sweeping surface. The variability
in the molded plastic plate alone can be over 0.5mm across sometime.

The SBS microplate standards group has just finished defining the well bottom
elevations terms to help define what is meant by plate "flatness". We've elected
to use the term Well Bottom Elevation WBE value. See our Yahoo group for more
detail.

The short term solution is to "tweak" and adjust for the errors. You can map the
location errors (Z- offsetts) of the pippette tips at the 96 or 384 locations
from datum. Load these offsets into the locations (basically compensate for this
predicable inaccuracy). All you will have is to contend with the location
variability of the plate well bottoms.

One approach that now works for a single tip is to create a compliance (i.e.
spring, over travel) into the tip or probe and basically run Z- travel until the
tip is over traveled and has contacted or activated its compliance, and then
back-off  to when the compliance reaches zero, and then move up few steps (or
0.5mm) equivalence. This will guarantee 0.5 mm off the bottom regardless of the
inaccuracy. It is slow, and can still be done with 8 tips although the longest
two tips will define the contact line, and the other 6 shorter ones will be off,
but it is usually few tenths of mm or better..

For the future, I expect equipment to be developed or equipped with
position/location sensors (i.e. CMM) and be smarter in compensating for the
error or offsetts.

I hope this discussion was useful to you, and the rest of the LRIG and fluid
dispensing community.
Contact me off line if you need to discuss this further.

Best regards,

Amer El-Hage
Principal
Beeston Engineering Consulting
415-314-9267
650-854-7419 (fax)
amerhaj@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Xavier Perrodon <xavier.perrodon@...>
To: lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 3:27 am
Subject: [lrig-discussion] Re: Liquid handler worktable flatness?


Dear all
thanks a lot for your detailed feedback.
As you mentionned it, it should not be a concern for channel-by-channel
ipetting (8 independant tips).
his said, if a plate is not sitting perfectly flat on the worktable, it
ill not be where it is supposed to be and this will lead to imprecise
ipetting.
Nevertheless the reason of my concern is that my customers need to pipette
ow volumes very close to the well bottom with a 96-channel pipettor
something like 1 µL from 10 µL in a 96-well V-bottom PP plate), and I want
o make sure that all tip ends come to equal distance to the well bottoms
otherwise some tips may end up with some air which is what we are trying to
void).
o the x-y-deviation is not that important as the V shape will guide the
ips to the well bottom.
n the other hand the z-deviation is important as we aspirate at 0.5 mm from
he well bottom.
Anyway, it seems I will have to trust the manufacturer and do all the
esting myself.
Thanks all for your help.
Cheers,
avier.

010/5/5 Xavier Perrodon <xavier.perrodon@...>
> Dear LRIG members,

  I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
  able to shed some light on it.

  We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating
  the worktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was
  severely warped.
  After asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
  impossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
  A few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't look
  that flat when lying on one of our benches.
  It could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
  sheet.

  But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with the
  QC data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid handler.
  And it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
  about the flatness of the deck.
  I keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
  come yet from the factory.

  Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
  worktable?
  If so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
  then the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
  Would you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
  have?

  Thank you very much in advance!

  Cheers,
  Xavier.


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Hi all, does anyone know of any automated protocols for performing
deparaffinization of FFPE samples. We currently use an RNA protocol which uses
xylene for paraffin removal. Currently these deparaffinisation & proteinase K
steps are performed in individual 1.5mL tubes prior to the tissue lysates being
manually transferred to a 96-deep well plate for further processing on our
automated system. I'm aware Beckman's FormaPure avoids using xylene and you can
seemlessly go from paraffin section to RNA but for other reasons we prefer to
keep our current protocol. So I'd love to hear if anyone does or knows of
something similar that would allow us to 'automate' the deparaffinisation &
proteinase K steps.

Best regards,

Ciaran

Hi,

I have been following this discussion very closely because I too, have a
similar application with customer program.  Overall flatness of microplate,
and flatnes of the 2 instruments worktable (plate washer and xyz pipettor
)are of the utmost criticallity.  The deviances, particularly in the z are
causing very variability, from left to right of the plate and certainly in
the middle.  They compound themselves because of the plate deviances and the
2 instruments flatness.  I have checked with manufacturers specs and my own
measurements and the deviances are 0.01mm.  We might have to determine and
adjust z offsets for every well to get application acceptable.

What are our options if absolute perfection is still not good enough?

Very frustrated but interesting science application

Ima Bantoo PhD
President
Foundation for Automated Research Technologies

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Xavier Perrodon
<xavier.perrodon@...>wrote:

>
>
> Dear all
>
> thanks a lot for your detailed feedback.
>
> As you mentionned it, it should not be a concern for channel-by-channel
> pipetting (8 independant tips).
> This said, if a plate is not sitting perfectly flat on the worktable, it
> will not be where it is supposed to be and this will lead to imprecise
> pipetting.
>
> Nevertheless the reason of my concern is that my customers need to pipette
> low volumes very close to the well bottom with a 96-channel pipettor
> (something like 1 µL from 10 µL in a 96-well V-bottom PP plate), and I want
> to make sure that all tip ends come to equal distance to the well bottoms
> (otherwise some tips may end up with some air which is what we are trying
> to
> avoid).
> So the x-y-deviation is not that important as the V shape will guide the
> tips to the well bottom.
> On the other hand the z-deviation is important as we aspirate at 0.5 mm
> from
> the well bottom.
>
> Anyway, it seems I will have to trust the manufacturer and do all the
> testing myself.
>
> Thanks all for your help.
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>
> 2010/5/5 Xavier Perrodon
<xavier.perrodon@...<xavier.perrodon%40gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> > Dear LRIG members,
> >
> > I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
> > able to shed some light on it.
> >
> > We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating
> > the worktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was
> > severely warped.
> > After asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
> > impossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
> > A few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't
> look
> > that flat when lying on one of our benches.
> > It could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
> > sheet.
> >
> > But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with
> the
> > QC data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid
> handler.
> > And it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
> > about the flatness of the deck.
> > I keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
> > come yet from the factory.
> >
> > Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
> > worktable?
> > If so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
> > then the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
> > Would you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
> > have?
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Xavier.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Hi Xavier

This is a significant issue when dispensing low volumes into a dry plate.

To overcome this the fluidx pipettors use an individual spring loaded plate nest
for each of the plate positions.

This enables an effective tip touch across the whole plate taking out plate
variations as well as any deck variation.

REgards

Robin
FLUIDX LTD
robin@...


--- In lrig-discussion@yahoogroups.com, Xavier Perrodon <xavier.perrodon@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear LRIG members,
>
> I am having a little technical problem and am hoping some of you will be
> able to shed some light on it.
>
> We recently moved one of our liquid handlers, and as I was recalibrating the
> worktable, I realized one of the metal sheets that compose it was severely
> warped.
> After asking our local workshop to try to flatten it (which turned out
> impossible), I ordered a new one from the manufacturer.
> A few weeks later the new metal plate arrived and surprisingly didn't look
> that flat when lying on one of our benches.
> It could have been because of the bench as well as because of the metal
> sheet.
>
> But since I couldn't tell, I asked the manufacturer to provide me with the
> QC data to prove that it is flat enough to work with their liquid handler.
> And it seems that they don't have any QC data to give to their customers
> about the flatness of the deck.
> I keep insisting but they seem to think I am a bit crazy and nothing has
> come yet from the factory.
>
> Would anybody know if other manufacturers run QC tests on their pieces of
> worktable?
> If so, what do they measure? The height for many points across the plate
> then the CV which should not be higher than a pre-determined value?
> Would you think that this is the sort of data a customer is entitled to
> have?
>
> Thank you very much in advance!
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hello,

I am interested in the current options available for serial port programming
(for Windows applications) that can be used in controlling laboratory devices. 
I am currently working in Java (it's free and reliable), but I don't believe
javax.comm has an option for accessing serial ports in Windows systems.  Are
there other languages that others would recommend when developing Windows
applications that would need serial port access?


Thank you,
Adrianne

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Hello,

         You can access the serial ports on windows with javax.comm but you
need javax.comm version 2.0 (email me offline and I can send you the files
you need).  Alternatively for java you can use the open source provided RxTx
(http://users.frii.com/jarvi/rxtx/) which works well and can use the same
api.

   If you are looking for other languages below are a few options:

*.NET* - you can code C# or VB.NET without paying by using Sharp Develop
(http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensource/sd/<%28http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensou\
rce/sd/>)
or the express editions of Microsoft Visual Studio (
http://www.microsoft.com/express/)
*Python *- python has serial libraries and I've used it before but I wasn't
too happy with the threading (when applied to machine control) when I was
controlling a lot of equipment though others have had more success than me
(you know who you are!)
*Ruby* - if you wanna go really crazy you could also use Ruby; it has a
serial port library but I've never tried it!
*C/C++* - bit of a tricky language to develop in but if you can learn this
it will stand you in good stead later on shoudl you continue

   Whichever way you choose good luck (an dask back for help if you get
stuck) - I myself prefer Java but I am often frustrated by the lack of
decent USB support and some machines (Thermo Multidrop comes to mind first
off) are starting to come out with USB comms.

Cheers,

Neil

On 18 May 2010 19:06, xinoci78 <alee@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am interested in the current options available for serial port
> programming (for Windows applications) that can be used in controlling
> laboratory devices. I am currently working in Java (it's free and reliable),
> but I don't believe javax.comm has an option for accessing serial ports in
> Windows systems. Are there other languages that others would recommend when
> developing Windows applications that would need serial port access?
>
> Thank you,
> Adrianne
>
>
>



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