As Ed stated traceroute and ping can be used as a 'general rules'.

To further confuse all I add this information.  I have heard that some ISP's,
Websites,
and FTP servers, turn off traceroute and ping for so-called security reasons. 
Then
there are those that also give these utilities a lower priority  (through the
network
and routers) so the ping or traceroute to them is not in any way indicative of
download
speed.

Ed is very correct in that less hops equals faster downloads but there are a few
exceptions out there.  Another factor to consider is server loading.

John Markham

Ed Grether wrote:

> I think this may depend a lot on your ISP.
>
> For me (at work), ftp.cdrom.com is one of the fastest.
>
> I am not sure how current it is.
>
> I hope I'm not retreading well-known ground here, but one way to get an
> approximate idea of the relative speed of a site for you is to use traceroute
> (tracert under everyone's favorite MS product).  This will tell you how many
> hops you are away from the site on the Internet.  As a general rule, more
> hops equals less speed.
>
> For instance, ftp.cdrom.com which is fast for me is 6 hops away.
>
> On the other hand, ftp.codemeta.com is somewhat slower at 23 hops.
>
> Another way to check relative speed is ping.
>
> For ftp.cdrom.com the average round-trip time is 45.1 ms.  For
> ftp.codemeta.com the average round-trip time 165.1 ms.
>
> Ed
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion of where the fastest and most current mirror
> > for Red Hat would be for the Phoenix area?
> >
> > -Mark
>
> --
> Ed Grether
>
>       egrether@...     http://pobox.com/~mr.chips/    
http://www.cti-ltd.com/
>
> A keen sense of humor helps us to overlook the unbecoming, understand
> the unconventional, tolerate the unpleasant, overcome the unexpected
> and outlast the unbearable.  -- Billy Graham
>
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I have created a new LUGY web page (http://www.boldfaced.com/lugy) with
my favorite logo (#4d). If the group decides on a different logo I will
replace it. The old web page has a message that we changed our name
and a link to the new page.

I would also like to take this opportunity to invite anyone to improve
on the very limited web page I have done. You may take the existing
one and modify it and tell me where to get the new one, email some
html that I can add to it, or start over and put the new one somewhere
that I can get it (I have an anonymous ftp area if that is needed).

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I finally was able to download the entire (23+MB) WordPerfect 8 file without
interruption, but when I went to unzip and untar the file, I get an error saying

"invalid compressed data -- crc error"

Should I trash the download and try again?  What is a crc error, I can't find
any documentation on it.
BTW, I get the same error message whether I use the "gunzip" command or "tar
zxvf".
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For anybody interested, I bought a Linux book that included 3 CD's containing
Red Hat 5.1, Caldera OpenLinux Lite 1.2, and Star Office 4.0.  I'll loan them to
anyone that wants to use or install them, as long as I get them back.  I also
have Red Hat 4.2 and Red Hat 5.2 CD's if anyone needs them (Netscape
Communicator 4.07 is included on the Red Hat 5.2 CD.)  I'll bring them to the
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<370eb130.1f1-@...> wrote:
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> Dear LUGYs,
>
> Steve asked for variations on #4, so there would be more contrast
> between the letters and the map.
>
> So, here are the 5 original logos...
>
> http://www.northlink.com/~ajablins/lugylogos/lugylogos.html
>
> ...plus some variations on #4:
>
>
http://www.northlink.com/~ajablins/lugylogos/lugylogos-variations-on-number-4.ht\
ml
>
> Steve, let me know if you have any other colors in mind.
>
> :) Anne
>
Anne,
     To cast my vote (or .02 worth,) I'm equally divided over 4c and 4e. I do
like the higher contrast of the lettering.
     In regards to other ideas, I was working along similar lines, but I had
"Tux" in front of the county map with the group name in a arch above the whole
deal.  This way it could be put on circular stickers, patches, whatever.  Good
Work on your designs!
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Dear LUGYs,

Steve asked for variations on #4, so there would be more contrast
between the letters and the map.

So, here are the 5 original logos...

http://www.northlink.com/~ajablins/lugylogos/lugylogos.html

...plus some variations on #4:

http://www.northlink.com/~ajablins/lugylogos/lugylogos-variations-on-number-4.ht\
ml

Steve, let me know if you have any other colors in mind.

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Have to add my 2 cents re the topic of downloads.
Here at remote Spruce Mt the copper land line runs at 24 kb no matter
what I do.
About a year ago I installed Direct PC.  Now download sing along at up
to 400 KB.
The installation was a bear but great support from the Tech folks at
Hughes. Cost though is reasonable, about $19.00 a mo. If anyone is
interested I'd be happy to supply info and install help.
Oh, the bird is located in the South sky up about 42 degrees, very near
the Direct TV bird.  It is less powerful and harder to acquire.  The set
up took a weekend but I installed a special tower, etc. Well worth the
effort surfing the web is a whole new experience.

No, there is no Linux version, runs under Win 95 or 98 (uuuuugggghhhh
*%%##)

Cheers,

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Anne;
I like #4 the best. Would it be possible to change the color of the map or the
text so there is more contrast?

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Anne,

I really like them all.

If I had to rank them in order of preference (best first), it would be:

#4
#5
#1
#3
#2

Although #4 and #5 are pretty much tied for me.  I really like the picture of
the Butte, but don't know if it fully symbolizes our new county-wide name.

Ed


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I'm assuming that Win98 is the same in this regard as Win95 and WinNT, but the
basic syntax (in a DOS Window) is:

tracert SITE

For example,

tracert ftp.cdrom.com gives me:

C:\>tracert ftp.cdrom.com

Tracing route to wcarchive.cdrom.com [209.155.82.18]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

   1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  bunyip.cti-ltd.com [165.113.130.254]
   2   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  portal.cti-ltd.com [165.113.194.1]
   3    31 ms    31 ms    63 ms  R-CRL-LAY-02-S0x0.US.CRL.NET [165.113.220.17]
   4    47 ms    62 ms    47 ms  gw-phx1.c.us.crl.com [165.113.52.5]
   5    32 ms    47 ms    46 ms  E0-CRL-SFO-02-E0X0.US.CRL.NET [165.113.55.2]
   6    31 ms    47 ms    47 ms  wcarchive.cdrom.com [209.155.82.18]

Trace complete.

This shows the 5 routers that a TCP/IP packet will probably have to get through
to get
to the destination site.

For other options on tracert, just type tracert by itself.

Ed

> These things are new to me.  I have Win98... so how does one use "tracert" and
> "traceroute"?

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These things are new to me.  I have Win98... so how does one use "tracert" and
"traceroute"?

Ed Grether wrote:

> I think this may depend a lot on your ISP.
>
> For me (at work), ftp.cdrom.com is one of the fastest.
>
> I am not sure how current it is.
>
> I hope I'm not retreading well-known ground here, but one way to get an
> approximate idea of the relative speed of a site for you is to use traceroute
> (tracert under everyone's favorite MS product).  This will tell you how many
> hops you are away from the site on the Internet.  As a general rule, more
> hops equals less speed.
>
> For instance, ftp.cdrom.com which is fast for me is 6 hops away.
>
> On the other hand, ftp.codemeta.com is somewhat slower at 23 hops.
>
> Another way to check relative speed is ping.
>
> For ftp.cdrom.com the average round-trip time is 45.1 ms.  For
> ftp.codemeta.com the average round-trip time 165.1 ms.
>
> Ed
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion of where the fastest and most current mirror
> > for Red Hat would be for the Phoenix area?
> >
> > -Mark
>
> --
> Ed Grether
>
>       egrether@...     http://pobox.com/~mr.chips/    
http://www.cti-ltd.com/
>
> A keen sense of humor helps us to overlook the unbecoming, understand
> the unconventional, tolerate the unpleasant, overcome the unexpected
> and outlast the unbearable.  -- Billy Graham
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Why are most stock sites so slow and annoying to use?  StockMaster.com
> is fast, easy, powerful, and free!   Use company names, not ticker
> symbols.  Track your portfolio.  Visit: http://clickhere/egroups.com/click/65
>
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I think this may depend a lot on your ISP.

For me (at work), ftp.cdrom.com is one of the fastest.

I am not sure how current it is.

I hope I'm not retreading well-known ground here, but one way to get an
approximate idea of the relative speed of a site for you is to use traceroute
(tracert under everyone's favorite MS product).  This will tell you how many
hops you are away from the site on the Internet.  As a general rule, more
hops equals less speed.

For instance, ftp.cdrom.com which is fast for me is 6 hops away.

On the other hand, ftp.codemeta.com is somewhat slower at 23 hops.

Another way to check relative speed is ping.

For ftp.cdrom.com the average round-trip time is 45.1 ms.  For
ftp.codemeta.com the average round-trip time 165.1 ms.

Ed

> Does anyone have an opinion of where the fastest and most current mirror
> for Red Hat would be for the Phoenix area?
>
> -Mark

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Dear Members of LUGY,

I have placed 5 proposed LUGY logos on the Internet for your review:

    http://northlink.com/~ajablins/lugylogos/lugylogos.html

If any other LUGY member wants to contribute a proposed LUGY logo, send
the .GIF or .JPG to me (ajablins@...), and I will post it in the
same place.  If you can't draw, but have an idea, please email me a
description, and I will try to create your logo.

Please send email to lugy@egroups.com if you want to cast a vote for a
specific logo.

Thanks,

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Does anyone have an opinion of where the fastest and most current mirror
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Shep Shepard wrote:
>
> Hi all:
>
> Sure am glad to see a Linux user's group here in Prescott !!
>
> Here I have two Linux boxes: one is running slackware and Staroffice as a
workstation.
>
> The other is for a ham radio tcp/ip to ax25 gateway.  This one I am way over
my head
> with and sure could use some guidance it's running Redhat 4.2.
>
> For any of you newbees out there, I am available to help you do initial disk
> partitioning and  installs.
>
> Regards
>
> Shep Shepard AA7MH
> (Spruce Mountain)
>
>

Shep,

Setting up an AX25 radio packet network is one up on all of us, I think,
but if you have any TCP/IP or kernel-tweaking questions, we can probably
help.  I'd sure be interested in the details of using AX25 for
networking.  Something about thumbing my nose at the telcos seems so
appealing.  Oops! Phone cops, pretend you didn't see this.

Regards,

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Has anyone noticed the free magazine offer for the group?  It was posted to the
Plug listing.  Sounds Interesting.
Something else interesting, I went to the eGroups home page, clicked on
computers, then operating systems.  The page shows 38 linux group members and
only 25 Windows group members.  Not bad for an "underdog" OS. :)
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<370c213f.6fa-@...> wrote:
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> Bob,
>
> I have not experienced this problem.  I am using Netscape Navigator 3.0
> Gold.  When I examined my egroups membership and yours, I noticed that I
> set up some egroups preferences which you did not.  Perhaps one of these
> factors is causing the problem?
>
> Anne
>
    Anne and Ed,
Whatever the problem was, on my end or eGroups', it's fixed now.  I went back
and checked all three messages and the proper items appeared.  Strange.  I'm
running Netscape Communicator 4.51, maybe it's not as far from beta as was
thought?


> noeman@... wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > 3 of the "forwards" you made from the PLUG list to LUGY got mixed up.  The
> > USENIX, Invitation to participate, and I can't remember the 3rd one have
> > proper subjects, but if you pull them up you get cockatiel info, Asian girl
> > pictures (I think, they didn't display on my screen) and some guy rambling
> > about a software problem he has that doesn't sound like Linux.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/61
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Hi all:

Sure am glad to see a Linux user's group here in Prescott !!

Here I have two Linux boxes: one is running slackware and Staroffice as a
workstation.

The other is for a ham radio tcp/ip to ax25 gateway.  This one I am way over my
head
with and sure could use some guidance it's running Redhat 4.2.

For any of you newbees out there, I am available to help you do initial disk
partitioning and  installs.

Regards

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Weird!

I believe those of us who receive the list via e-mail got the right message.

In looking at those messages via the web interface I randomly got the correct
message or some other message.  I was able to view the correct message if
I was persistent enough in clicking on the subject for the message.  It
appears that egroups is having trouble of some sort.  If this continues, we
might want to move our list to one of the competing free list providers.

Ed

> Ed,
> 3 of the "forwards" you made from the PLUG list to LUGY got mixed up.  The
> USENIX, Invitation to participate, and I can't remember the 3rd one have
> proper subjects, but if you pull them up you get cockatiel info, Asian girl
> pictures (I think, they didn't display on my screen) and some guy rambling
> about a software problem he has that doesn't sound like Linux.

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Bob,

I have not experienced this problem.  I am using Netscape Navigator 3.0
Gold.  When I examined my egroups membership and yours, I noticed that I
set up some egroups preferences which you did not.  Perhaps one of these
factors is causing the problem?

Anne

noeman@... wrote:
>
> Ed,
> 3 of the "forwards" you made from the PLUG list to LUGY got mixed up.  The
> USENIX, Invitation to participate, and I can't remember the 3rd one have
> proper subjects, but if you pull them up you get cockatiel info, Asian girl
> pictures (I think, they didn't display on my screen) and some guy rambling
> about a software problem he has that doesn't sound like Linux.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get stock quotes on your own site from Stockpoint.
> http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/61
>
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Ed,
3 of the "forwards" you made from the PLUG list to LUGY got mixed up.  The
USENIX, Invitation to participate, and I can't remember the 3rd one have
proper subjects, but if you pull them up you get cockatiel info, Asian girl
pictures (I think, they didn't display on my screen) and some guy rambling
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------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: "AnnDee Johnson" <a_johnson@...>
Subject: Linux RAID update
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:01:19 -0700

Dear Linux User Group,

Do you know us?  ICP vortex RAID Controllers offer the best Linux support in the
industry.  We'd like to mail you information about our PCI-Wide/Ultra SCSI,
PCI-Wide/Ultra2 SCSI and PCI-Fibre Channel models to share with your Group
Members.

Did you know, for example, that:
. The ICP driver has been included in every Linux kernel from 2.0.31.
. The ICP Linux driver and tools are developed, supported and maintained
in-house.
. An ICP Controller can be used as the primary boot controller, which
means all major Linux distributions can be installed on an ICP Controller array
straight out of the box.
. The ICP setup utility for hard disk configuration resides on the Controller,
which
means setup is accessed during bootup via a hotkey, without booting MS-DOS.
. The powerful ICP monitoring utility, GDTMON, allows Linux users to keep a
close eye on all major functions of the array.

And the list goes on.  ICP is fully committed to continued support and
development of drivers and tools for the Linux OS.  Please send us a mailing
address and we'll keep you and your Group Members updated on all the latest
Linux RAID developments!

Thanks!

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Phone:  (602) 353-0303 Ext: 14
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------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date sent:       Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:03:52 -0700
To:              dana@...
From:            Dana Geffner <dana@...>
Subject:         USENIX Upcoming Events

Dear User Group Member,

UPCOMING USENIX ASSOCIATION EVENTS

1999 USENIX ANNUAL CONFERENCE
June 6-11, 1999
Monterey Conference Center, Monterey, California, USA
The UNIX Insider Conference--3 days of tutorials, original papers and
innovative invited talks. FREENIX track delivers top-quality presentations
on the latest in open source software. WEB SITE:
http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix99

3RD USENIX WINDOWS NT SYMPOSIUM
July 12-15, 1999
Westin Hotel, Seattle, Washington, USA
Academic and industrial researchers, developers, and sophisticated users
basing their work in Windows NT share results and insights. Refereed
papers, in-depth reports from Microsoft project leaders, and highly
interactive discussions, are followed by 2 days of tutorials. WEB SITE:
http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-nt99

Co-located with---

2ND LISA-NT CONFERENCE
LARGE INSTALLATION SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION OF WINDOWS NT
July 14-17, 1999
Westin Hotel, Seattle, Washington, USA
Co-sponsored by SAGE, The System Administrators Guild
Premiere conference for managers of Windows NT environments--how to
manage, scale and integrate NT. Two days of tutorials precede refereed
papers, reports on the future from Microsoft project leaders, interactive
sessions and hosted receptions. WEB SITE:
http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa-nt99

8TH USENIX SECURITY SYMPOSIUM
August 23-26, 1999
JW Marriott Hotel, Washington D.C., USA
In cooperation with The CERT Coordination Center
Brings together developers, security administrators, and system
administrators interested in advances in security technologies and the
design and implementation of security strategies. WEB SITE:
http://www.usenix.org/events/sec99

2ND USENIX CONFERENCE ON DOMAIN SPECIFIC LANGUAGES (DSL
'99)
October 3-6, 1999
Omni Hotel, Austin, Texas, USA
In cooperation with ACM SIGPLAN and ACM SIGSOFT
Advances DSL design, implementation, and software engineering, with
tutorials, refereed papers, invited talks, and interactive sessions.
WEB SITE: http://www.usenix.org/events/dsl99

2ND USENIX SYMPOSIUM ON INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES & SYSTEMS
(USITS '99)
October 11-14, 1999
Regal Harvest House Hotel, Boulder, Colorado, USA
Co-sponsored by the IEEE Computer Society Task Force on Internetworking

Brings together web developers, engineers and researchers interested in
developing innovative Internetworking applications and technology. WEB
SITE: http://www.usenix.org/events/usits99

3RD ATLANTA LINUX SHOWCASE
October 12-16, 1999
Cobb Galleria, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Co-sponsored by USENIX, Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts and Linux International
Three conference tracks over 3 days with 40 speakers discussing Linux
technical and business issues, 2 days of intensive tutorials organized by
USENIX, plus an exhibition with over 140 vendors showcasing the latest
products all add up to a great event. Extended abstracts due: July 1, 1999
WEB SITE: http://www.linuxshowcase.org

LISA '99--13TH SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATION CONFERENCE
November 7-12, 1999
Seattle Conference Center, Seattle, Washington, USA
Co-Sponsored by SAGE, the System Administrators Guild
The only conference by and for System Administrators at sites of all sizes
offers comprehensive program with tutorials, refereed papers, invited
talks, panels, interactive sessions, new Practicum track, and product
exhibition. Extended abstracts due: May 25, 1999 WEB SITE:
http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa99

TCL/2K: THE 7TH USENIX TCL/TK CONFERENCE
February 14-18, 2000
Marriott Hotel, Austin, Texas, USA
Brings together researchers and practitioners to publish and present
original work on the latest developments in Tcl/Tk and scripting.
Paper proposals due: September 1, 1999
WEB SITE: http://www.usenix.org/events/tcl2k
-----------------------------------------------------------
Cynthia Deno, Marketing Director
USENIX ASSOCIATION
Tel: 831 457 8649
cynthia@...
http:/www.usenix.org
The USENIX Association's international membership includes engineers,
scientists, and system/network administrators working on the cutting edge
of systems and software.  SAGE, a special technical group within USENIX,
is devoted to the advancement and recognition of system administration as
a profession.
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Ed,

Thanks for the help.  I've already gotten rid of most of the vgagames and
vgacards rpm's, as well as doom (the sound wouldn't work anyway). I do want to
keep dosemu and emacs but I will try some of the others.

Bob
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Hey,

At the last PLUG/LUGY meeting, those present decided to meet on the
second Tuesday of every month at around 7 pm.  The current meeting place
is the Prescott Brewing Company (in the restaurant area so that all ages can
attend).

So, to that effect, this is an announcement that we'll be meeting on April
13th around 7pm at the PBC. Those of us who made it to the last one had a
lot of fun, so I'd encourage people to try to make it.  I'd love to meet some of
you "virtual" people and put a face to the name.  In addition, it is a good
excuse to have a beer or two.  I think everyone knows that Linux and beer go
together like, uh, Linux and beer.. :)

In a very unrelated note, I thought I'd pass along the information that
apparently Arizona Snowbowl (best skiing in Flagstaff! :)  is reportedly open
again for skiing.  Get a few runs in before it's all gone!

Ed

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equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
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Ed, (and anyone else interested)
I went over to B. Dalton today at about 1:30 p.m. and they had about 10 copies
of Linux Magazine Vol.1, Iss.1 on the stand.  If you want more info about the
magazine, their website is http://www.linux-mag.com
Bob

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Hi,

I'm Robert Levin, head of operations of Open Projects, a service devoted to
providing online connectivity to "projects and groups involved with open
source, open technology or open information." We run an IRC network
consisting of about 30 servers worldwide, as well as DALnet-style nickname
and channel reservation services which allow our users to maintain a
permanent channel presence.  I'd like to invite your members to use our
facilities.

In addition to our own IRC hostnames, we are pointed to by:

irc.linux.org
irc.redhat.com
irc.debian.org
irc.linux.org.au

and irc hostnames of various other domains.  We are particularly involved
with the Linux community, and are home to Linux Australia, Debian GNU/Linux
and Linux Internet Support Cooperative's #LinPeople Linux support channel.
Stampede Linux and KDE also run small coordination channels on our network.

A full list of our irc servernames and a pointer to an IRC help site are
available on:

http://openprojects.nu/services/irc.html

We are very much interested in helping Linux groups all over the planet
network for problem solving, project coordination and general discussion.
We hope you'll come see us.  Feel free to look me up; my IRC nick is 'lilo'.

Sincerely,


Robert Levin
Head of Operations, Open Projects Net

"Open Source, Open Technology, Open Information"


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   I can't find the "Powered by Linux" stickers I told the group about @ the
gathering last night, but I have found some other stuff if anyone is interested.

LINUX BADGES-these are tiny stickers (about the size of the "Intel Inside"
stickers on most computers) that show "TUX" the penguin only, and run 65 cents
ea. up to 499 pieces  available @ www.scotgold.com.

LINUX STICKERS, HATS, T-SHIRTS, STUFFED ANIMALS, AND PINS-that say "PENQUIN
POWER" AND "LINUX" are available @www.linuxmall.com/penguinpower.html.

By the way, I just noticed my microcrash "natural" keyboard does not have a
"cents" key anywhere, leave it to microsoft to make no cents (sense).

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Hello PLUG,

We received this offer from Pacific HiTech.

Is anyone interested in checking out the TurboLinux distribution?

Ed

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From:            "Justin Ryan (PHT)" <justin@...>
To:              <plug@...>
Subject:         TurboLinux
Date sent:       Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:44:36 -0600

Hello, I work for Pacific HiTech, we make the TurboLinux distribution.  My
job is primarily to increase awareness of TurboLinux, which often includes
contacting Linux User groups and other user groups.  If you'd be interested
I can have one or two copies of the latest TL, 3.0.1, sent as evaluation
copies for the group.

Also, we have a links page at PHT and I'm currently contacting every linux
group I can find about reciprocal links, if you could add PHT to your links
page, we would appreciate it, I'll be adding you during one of the next
updates most likely.

If you have any questions, comments, suggestions, complaints, or problems
with TL feel free to contact me at justin@....  We also have a
newsgroup on USENET : alt.os.linux.turbolinux.

Thank you for your time, Regards

Justin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Justin Ryan

Developer Relations / Support Associate
Pacific HiTech / TurboLinux
justin@...
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http://www.cti-ltd.com/

Who will tell whether one happy moment of love or the joy of breathing or
walking on a bright morning and smelling the fresh air, is not worth all
the suffering and effort which life implies.  -- Erich Fromm

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