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Sherman Levine
Management of Information Technologies, Inc
914-967-7212
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Katz" <srkatz@...>
To: <magicu-l@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: [magicu-l] Digest Number 1857


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magicu-l@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 4:54 AM
> To: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [magicu-l] Digest Number 1857
>
>
> There are 12 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Contract Work Opportunity
> From: Bob Witte <BobWitte@...>
> 2. A plea!
> From: "Lance Muswell" <lance@...>
> 3. RE: A plea!
> From: "Andy Jerison" <ajerison@...>
> 4. Re: A plea!
> From: "Sherman Levine" <slevine@...>
> 5. Re: A plea!
> From: "Sherman Levine" <slevine@...>
> 6. Re: A plea!
> From: "David D. Kelley" <daviddk@...>
> 7. RE: well, that was easy! (p2000 w/g w/s install)
> From: "Mark Bailey" <mbailey@...>
> 8. New Gateway Now!
> From: "Steven G. Blank" <sgblank@...>
> 9. RE: PSQL Gateway Solution
> From: "Mark Bailey" <mbailey@...>
> 10. RE: PSQL Gateway Solution
> From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>
> 11. Re: PSQL Gateway Solution
> From: Ian Whybrow <sales@...>
> 12. PSQL Gateway Solution
> From: Greg Whelan <greg@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:18:22 -0400
> From: Bob Witte <BobWitte@...>
> Subject: Contract Work Opportunity
>
> Some former associates of mine have asked me to post to the Digest on
> their behalf. They are interested in getting in touch with Magic
> programmers in central Florida. They have one or more opportunities for
> both large and small contract activities for senior through journeyman
> skill levels. Complete comfort with Magic v7.x and up is required as is
> a solid skill base in Magic/SQL integrations.
>
> Contact Sandy Becket @ Restaurant Magic (email:
> ABeckett@...) or phone 813-288-2633x274 during normal
> business hours for further information.
>
> Bob Witte
> Magic-PC.Net
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 21:10:45 +0100
> From: "Lance Muswell" <lance@...>
> Subject: A plea!
>
> Could I please ask that when people reply to messages, that they try to
cut
> out any parts of the original message that do not lend weight to their
> reply.
>
> There are a lot of people who are just hitting reply and adding their
> comments at the top, with all of the original message (or messages!)
> repeated below.
>
> It is not so bad if you take individual emails (you see the top and don't
> bother scrolling down), but it is a pain in the backside if you take the
> digest. One recent thread is now 8 pages long.
>
> I don't like to rant and rage (on some of the other list I subscribe to,
you
> will get flamed for any or all of the following; top posting, quoting all
of
> the original posting, HTML posting), but this really is bugging me now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -> Lance
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:23:49 -0400
> From: "Andy Jerison" <ajerison@...>
> Subject: RE: A plea!
>
> Hi Lance,
>
> I've got the opposite problem: I take the individual e-mails and
> filter them into a special inbox. Frequently I see replies where I
> can't follow the thread because it isn't there.
>
> Years ago I used to take the list in digest form, and I remember the
> frustration, but in non-digest form I find it a lot easier to read
> replies that quote the entire thread. It definitely makes
> participating in the list a whole lot more like engaging in a
> conversation if you can just add your own comments at the top.
>
> Lately I've been cutting off threads at sort of an arbitrary point,
> including enough so my post makes sense. I'll try to remember to cut
> off the header, which is definitely just clutter, but I don't want my
> replies to take a whole lot longer than they do now.
>
> Andy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lance Muswell
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:11 PM
> > Subject: [magicu-l] A plea!
> >
> >
> >
> > Could I please ask that when people reply to messages, that
> > they try to cut
> > out any parts of the original message that do not lend
> > weight to their
> > reply.
> >
>
> > It is not so bad if you take individual emails (you see the
> > top and don't
> > bother scrolling down), but it is a pain in the backside if
> > you take the
> > digest. One recent thread is now 8 pages long.
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:30:50 -0400
> From: "Sherman Levine" <slevine@...>
> Subject: Re: A plea!
>
> Yes.
> ;-)
> Sherm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Jerison" <ajerison@...>
> To: <magicu-l@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [magicu-l] A plea!
>
>
> > Hi Lance,
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:48:39 -0400
> From: "Sherman Levine" <slevine@...>
> Subject: Re: A plea!
>
> Lance,
>
> My take on this is a bit different.
>
> The egroups system isn't terribly well structured, so I tend to use the
> concatenated messages as "the thread" - I keep the last message, and
delete
> the predecessors.
>
> Also, I use outlook express for my email, specifically because I can see
the
> email in the lower right panel without opening each email separately. For
> me, "top posting" (I presume that means you put the response above the
> question - as I'm doing now) is the only way to fly.
>
> Sherm
>
>
> Sherman Levine
> Management of Information Technologies, Inc
> 914-967-7212
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lance Muswell" <lance@...>
> To: <magicu-l@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 4:10 PM
> Subject: [magicu-l] A plea!
>
>
> > Could I please ask that when people reply to messages, that they try to
> cut
> > out any parts of the original message that do not lend weight to their
> > reply.
> >
> > There are a lot of people who are just hitting reply and adding their
> > comments at the top, with all of the original message (or messages!)
> > repeated below.
> >
> > It is not so bad if you take individual emails (you see the top and
don't
> > bother scrolling down), but it is a pain in the backside if you take the
> > digest. One recent thread is now 8 pages long.
> >
> > I don't like to rant and rage (on some of the other list I subscribe to,
> you
> > will get flamed for any or all of the following; top posting, quoting
all
> of
> > the original posting, HTML posting), but this really is bugging me now.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -> Lance
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:36:59 -0400
> From: "David D. Kelley" <daviddk@...>
> Subject: Re: A plea!
>
> Good consistent user group etiquette is impossible to
> achieve. So I just try to do the best I can and not mess up
> too often myself. We've got a good list moderator who does
> a "great" (hear that Tom!) job of putting out little
> reminders from time to time.
>
> > Could I please ask that when people reply to messages, that
> > they try to cut out any parts of the original message that
> > do not lend weight to their reply.
> >
> > There are a lot of people who are just hitting reply and
> > adding their comments at the top, with all of the original
> > message (or messages!) repeated below.
> >
> > It is not so bad if you take individual emails (you see the
> > top and don't bother scrolling down), but it is a pain in
> > the backside if you take the digest. One recent thread is
> > now 8 pages long.
> >
> > I don't like to rant and rage (on some of the other list I
> > subscribe to, you will get flamed for any or all of the
> > following; top posting, quoting all of the original posting,
> > HTML posting), but this really is bugging me now.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -> Lance
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> David D. Kelley, CMD
> President
> Dynamic Software, Inc.
> Developers of the QPII Gold Purchasing Management System!
> 1621 Lake Murray Blvd. Suite 3
> Columbia, SC 29212-8626 USA
> Phone: 803-407-1018 Fax: 803-407-0466
> email: d.kelley@...
> http://www.dynamic-sw.com
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:45:19 +0800
> From: "Mark Bailey" <mbailey@...>
> Subject: RE: well, that was easy! (p2000 w/g w/s install)
>
> Just a couple of other things.
>
> If you are installing SP3 and for some weird reason the installation
> failed then uninstall everythin and try again. I had 7 machines some
> which had had Btrieve on them and other that had not. Machines were
> a mixture of Win98,2k,Nt4 and Me. Every installation failed. Some even
> failed the second attempt but all ok after the third.
> The failure happened right at the end when the installation tried to
> create the program icons.
>
> Also, if you are installing WGE across a network and you are having
problems
> (eg: Error #116) check your hosts file on each machine. Make sure it has
the
> a reference to the server in there.
>
> Some people have some really weird networks out there so you will need to
> check.
> Persvasive reps (well..in Australia anway) are of little assistance. Ours
> suggested removing the ~pvsw~.loc file from the server.
>
> In fact Steve was once again the best assistance available. Thanx Steve.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark Bailey
> Perth, Western Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Whybrow [mailto:sales@...]
> Sent: Friday, 29 June 2001 11:37 PM
> To: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [magicu-l] well, that was easy! (p2000 w/g w/s install)
>
>
> Howard:
>
> If you install P200 over top of an existing Btrieve installation, it is
> smart
> enough to find it and ask you if you want to trash it or archive it. Very
> slick stuff and very user-friendly. The workstation if fully functioning
> with
> no time limit and since it only costs US$25, I don't think they even care
if
> you just keep using it. At that price, however, who cannot afford to be
> honest?
>
> Ian Whybrow
> Logistics Technologies
>
> Howard Miller wrote:
>
> > Though I couldn't get into Pervasive's sp3 download area for some odd
> > reason, I did download the p2000 workstation (sp2) for testing. Also
> > ran the workgroup version off the cd. It couldn't be easier to
> > install. I then did a custom Magic install, omitting the btrieve 6.15.
> > Works great - all Steven Blank's p2000 promoting worked. Only thing you
> > cannot do is run the license manager to install a new license, I had to
> > bring that over from another pc. If this was installed over top of a
> > standard Magic installation, I'm sure that the btrieve 6.15 elements
> > would need to be deleted.
> >
> > I just wanted to let anyone know that it's a snap to install - no
> > problems at all. All my new clients will now be getting the p2000
> > engine!
> >
> > Howard Miller
> >
> > MedComp Research
> >
> >
> >
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:52:31 -0600
> From: "Steven G. Blank" <sgblank@...>
> Subject: New Gateway Now!
>
> Was: Re: PSQL Gateway Solution
>
> At 10:25 AM 6/29/2001, Greg Whelan wrote:
> >Steven:
> >
> >Since it's obvious that most everyone is interested in a NEW PSQL
Gateway,
> >with
> >transitional and relational capabilities, lets take some action.
> ><snip>
> >I also feel that if Pervasive was presented with a petition showing our
> >interest
> >for a NEW PSQL gateway, that this would give them a solid reason to meet
> with
> >Magic and discuss a solution.
>
>
> To All Interested Parties:
>
> Regardless of whether or not I'm reinforced by a mandate from the group, I
> plan on seizing the moment on two rare opportunities in the very near
> future.
>
> As you may already be aware, Pervasive currently markets their Replication
> product only through their Professional Services Group (PSG) and only in
> conjunction with consulting services. Well, apparently PSG has received a
> significant number of inquiries regarding replication, from companies that
> own and use Magic/Btrieve applications, apparently so many that they have
> asked me to fly to Austin for a couple of days, to work with their
> Replication team and bring them up to speed on the replication-related
> issues unique to the context of Magic applications. Yeah, I was
pleasantly
> surprised, too.
>
> For an interesting allusion to the current climate at PVSW, take a quick
> gander at the following Buisness Week Online article:
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jun2001/tc20010620_904.htm
>
> and notice the emphasis that "new products" are reportedly receiving at
> PVSW. I get the further impression that Replication is, itself, a fairly
> high-profile project within PVSW and that, as a result, more eyes and ears
> are opening and are noticing the word "Magic" with increasing
> incidence. An opportunity to make my [our?] feelings known regarding a
> Magic gateway will undoubtedly present itself.
>
>
> As far as MSE is concerned, I believe the key person to convince is Avikam
> Perry, MSE's Vice President of Research and Development and their Chief
> Technology Officer. I get the impression that Mr. Perry is typically very
> cool to overtures made through "channels" but, in person, is very
> approachable and will at least listen with genuine interest.
>
> Well, GUESS where Mr. Perry will be just eight weeks hence? You got it --
> in Las Vegas, along with the rest of us! All the more reason for as many
> of you as can muster the time and the resources to join us at this year's
> MIUG Conference.
>
> I would DEARLY love to introduce myself to Mr. Perry with a stack of a
> thousand individual emails in hand, all expressing desire for a new P2Ki
> gateway. However, in order for this to be credible, I believe that these
> must be individual messages and that each must include facts -- cold,
hard,
> HONEST numbers:
>
> How many Seats of what Version(s) of what Product(s) do you/your company
> currently own -- AND -- How many Seats of what Version(s) of what
> Product(s) do the clients with whom you have worked in the last five
years
> currently own?
>
> Examples: ABC Company, 5-Seats, v8.3, Desktop Development, SN 123456789,
> XYZ Inc., 20-Seats, v5.7, Desktop Deployment, SN 987654321, etc.
>
> MSE must be able to estimate the potential market, 'cause if there ain't
no
> market, there ain't NEVER gonna be a new gateway, it's just that simple.
>
> If you feel like it's time to stand up and be counted, then I would be
> willing to compile and deliver this information to Mr. Perry at the MIUG
> Conference on your behalf. I guarantee that all information sent to me
> privately will be held in strictest confidentiality, and that I will share
> it only with Mr. Perry or with the person within MSE so designated by him
> personally. If you are uncomfortable with divulging all of the above
> information (or are flat prohibited) give as much as you can, realizing
> that it's value, while diminished, will be certainly better than nothing.
>
> If you do decide to participate, please, PLEASE, make the subject line of
> your message "New Gateway Now!" so I can set up a filter and be able to
> easily route these messages around the fifty-odd other messages I receive
> every day. And do try to include the numbers; it's all about SEATS.
>
> ----------------------------
> Steven G. Blank
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> ----------------------------
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:55:45 +0800
> From: "Mark Bailey" <mbailey@...>
> Subject: RE: PSQL Gateway Solution
>
> Considering Steve already contributes an enoronous amount
> of his time and energy to this group then it is hardly
> right to just expect him to do it.
>
> How about Greg, Ian and Zvika getting together at the
> conference with Steve for a few tips and then you guys
> getting up and being the speaks for the group? I presume
> you are all going to the conference?
>
> Mark.
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zvika Rimalt [mailto:zrimalt@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 2:35 AM
> To: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [magicu-l] PSQL Gateway Solution
>
>
> and I will 3rd that :)
>
> At 12:24 PM 06/29/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'll second that and lend any support I can.
> >
> >Ian Whybrow
> >Logistics Technologies
> >
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Zvika Rimalt
> Manager of Programming and Web Development
> Monster Cable Products Inc.
> www.monstercable.com
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:22:02 -0700
> From: Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...>
> Subject: RE: PSQL Gateway Solution
>
>
> I agree about the 'work' part, but Steve is kind of a spokesman for the
> group. I'd think it would be his place to do a presentation, with the rest
> of us giving a big round of applause ...
>
> -- Heidi
>
> At 05:55 AM 6/30/2001 +0800, you wrote:
> >Considering Steve already contributes an enoronous amount
> >of his time and energy to this group then it is hardly
> >right to just expect him to do it.
> >
> >How about Greg, Ian and Zvika getting together at the
> >conference with Steve for a few tips and then you guys
> >getting up and being the speaks for the group? I presume
> >you are all going to the conference?
> >
> >Mark.
> >Perth, Western Australia
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Zvika Rimalt [mailto:zrimalt@...]
> >Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 2:35 AM
> >To: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [magicu-l] PSQL Gateway Solution
> >
> >
> >and I will 3rd that :)
> >
> >At 12:24 PM 06/29/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I'll second that and lend any support I can.
> > >
> > >Ian Whybrow
> > >Logistics Technologies
> > >
> >
> >
> >____________________________________________________________________
> >Zvika Rimalt
> >Manager of Programming and Web Development
> >Monster Cable Products Inc.
> >www.monstercable.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:15:27 -0400
> From: Ian Whybrow <sales@...>
> Subject: Re: PSQL Gateway Solution
>
> I am actively trying to scrape together a couple of thousand Canadian
> Bucks
> to attend. This may or may not happen. If it doesn't I shall be deeply
> disappointed.
>
> Ian Whybrow
> Logistics Technologies
>
> Mark Bailey wrote:
>
> > Considering Steve already contributes an enoronous amount
> > of his time and energy to this group then it is hardly
> > right to just expect him to do it.
> >
> > How about Greg, Ian and Zvika getting together at the
> > conference with Steve for a few tips and then you guys
> > getting up and being the speaks for the group? I presume
> > you are all going to the conference?
> >
> > Mark.
> > Perth, Western Australia
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zvika Rimalt [mailto:zrimalt@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2001 2:35 AM
> > To: magicu-l@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [magicu-l] PSQL Gateway Solution
> >
> > and I will 3rd that :)
> >
> > At 12:24 PM 06/29/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I'll second that and lend any support I can.
> > >
> > >Ian Whybrow
> > >Logistics Technologies
> > >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________
> > Zvika Rimalt
> > Manager of Programming and Web Development
> > Monster Cable Products Inc.
> > www.monstercable.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:28:06 -0700
> From: Greg Whelan <greg@...>
> Subject: PSQL Gateway Solution
>
> Mark Bailey:
>
> I appreciate your vote of confidence, however, Steven is already the
> resident Btrieve expert for the group. That's why so many of us feel
> confident in his ability to understand the problem and the needed
> solution (a new Magic PSQL Gateway).
>
> Steve, I didn't mean to open up a can of worms with my nomination. We
> will all understand if you can't commit to this effort. Of course,
> we'll never talk to you again either :)
>
> Cheers!
> --
> Greg Whelan
> Industrial Computer Systems, Inc.
> greg@...
> Phone 909-391-9408
> Fax 909-391-5835
>
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