I recently spoke with Kary Carbaugh about the blog I have very recently
launched. I was diagnosed with AMD nearly three years ago and have been
coping with it - and improving it greatly - since then. I decided to do a
blog with the intention to share information with others who also have the
disease. You can find the blog through Google search
www.macularinsights.com and going to Food Fight Against Macular
Degeneration. I would also like to inform everyone on the magnifiers@egroups
list about the blog in hopes of building a network of shared experiences and
information. I am on that distribution list as well.
I'd very much appreciate hearing from you regarding how I might "spread the
word." I look forward to hearing from you.
Bonnie
Bonnie Busekrus
Clarity Coaching
303-399-2264
303-399-4367 (fax)
bonnie@...
www.clarity-coaching.net
www.macularinsights.com
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Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
That's not what I want.
I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier on screen
1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on screen 1.
Is anyone aware of software like this?
Thanks,
Geoff
Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
check out the dual monitor settings.
- Bas
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:
>
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier on
> screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on screen
> 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
--
Bas Cancrinus
Mobile: +31 (0)6 50 24 57 56
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly interested
in additional suggestions.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@...> wrote:
>
> Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
> check out the dual monitor settings.
>
> - Bas
>
You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a lot
less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
interested in additional suggestions.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> >
> > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from www.aisquared.com and
> > check out the dual monitor settings.
> >
> > - Bas
> >
>
Geoff,
Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
screen 2"
However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
provide cheap magnificication.
Shawn
-----Original Message-----
From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of davebrody2004
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a
lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
interested in additional suggestions.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> >
> > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
www.aisquared.com and
> > check out the dual monitor settings.
> >
> > - Bas
> >
>
-----Original Message-----
From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of hostricity
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
That's not what I want.
I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
screen 1.
Is anyone aware of software like this?
Thanks,
Geoff
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@...> wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom.com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared.com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
interesting information thanks mike blackpool england
cheers mick
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
From: kareycarbaugh@...
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:08:11 -0800
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!
And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can
look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
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Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision
needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39
years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt
that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire
me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is
willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for
him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has
it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed
here.
I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell
me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the
screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated
that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him
to make typos and lose his train of thought.
I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
interest will know what happened.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
>
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
>
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
T H.
I hope you won't object to my jumping in here. I do not have low vision, but I
have been around it a lot in my life. In high school in the 1960's, I taught
radio & tv repair in a sheltered workshop for Goodwill Industries. Some of those
I worked with were low vision, some in wheelchairs, etc. In those days, we
didn't have accessible buildings like we do now and the only technology was the
magnifier Karey mentioned.
My father was chairman of the board of an agency that offered services to blind
and low-vision clients. I used to read the newspaper on the air at our local
public radio station - a service specifically for those whose vision didn't
allow them to read the paper. I had to be at the station at 5AM Monday through
Friday.
Later, as a college professor, I occasionally had low-vision students, worked
with them in the classroom, and sometimes offered career counseling.
As long as you go out in public, you will have to explain your vision
requirements to people. My experience is that most people are genuinely
interested and concerned. They don't know what you can do for yourself, what you
can't, where they can help, and what you can do for yourself if you can sit in
the proper place in the room, or whatever.
The more you are out and about, the better you will get at dealing with your
low-vision, the more habitual these actions will become, and you will find that
people will sometimes ask you about what you are doing because you are so good
at dealing with your low-vision that they find it fascinating.
I know it is tiring to have to explain things over and over, so try to remember
that you are giving them an experience they have never had before and you are
giving them the opportunity to be of service to you -- so that you can be
productive and of service to others.
The extent to which you are comfortable with yourself is the extent to which you
can educate those around you, draw them to you, make friends, and important
career contacts. A character reference from a professor who has experienced your
mental attitude, motivation, your mastery of the subject matter, and your
creativity and intelligence goes a long way in getting a job.
It really isn't any different for you than for anyone else. You may have a
steeper road to climb, but ultimately, all of us look for the same things in our
friends, acquaintances, and fellow workers and those things have nothing to do
with low-vision -- although, sometimes you have to help those around you
discover that fact.
As for career and employers: I suggest that you examine your interests, your
capabilities, and your studies with a career counselor. A good career counselor
can help you focus on particular career areas where your vision will not affect
your ability to do the job -- and equally important - in an area where there's
high demand for talented people.
Most employers know that someone like you wouldn't have bothered with getting an
education and pursuing a career unless you were highly motivated and that counts
for a lot.
In my experience as an employer, I've found that those who have overcome
adversity to get to the point where they can creditably present themselves as a
qualified applicant often more than make up for any deficits through
determination and become some of the most productive employees in a business.
As for explaining it to employers: You should be familiar with the work to be
done and the work environment so that you can quickly and easily explain to them
how your low-vision will impact your duties and responsibilities.
An employer wants to know that you can do the job and do it without being
disruptive of other workers. They also want to see that you are well-adjusted
and will be a pleasant and helpful co-worker, that you will fit-in and that your
co-workers will be happy to have you as a co-worker.
You don't need to go into elaborate detail, but if you have devices you use, the
employer may enjoy having you demonstrate for them how you use them - But be
careful here. People who have not experienced low-vision will sometimes have an
exaggerated impression of the difficulties you face and showing them your
equipment may only cause them to believe you can't do the work.
I hope the above is helpful to you.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision
needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39
years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt
that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire
me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
>
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
>
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Thanks Geoff,
I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't
understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen. After
25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out
including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my
"natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor. I remember
being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier lenses on and
litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in college. They
found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so you could make the
letters twice as big. This wasn't big enough, but cut down the strain a lot.
If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that I
think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less
expensive. I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I
would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it
will be easier to use it on 1 monitor. To me, looking back and forth would be
slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in Windows?
This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially with a very
large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display. I'm just thinking
of options which might be more cost-effective for him.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is
willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for
him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has
it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed
here.
I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell
me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the
screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated
that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him
to make typos and lose his train of thought.
I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
interest will know what happened.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on
a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the
second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to
hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Groff,
As I was reading your e-mail earlier, I remembered something that might be of
help. I've never used this, but ZoomText has the ability to litterally place a
magnifier over the screen you're on. Using the ctrl+shift+z hotkey
combination, you can change the Window Type in ZoomText. By default, this is
set to full-screen, but you might also want to check out the Overlay (which
enlarges what is around the mouse pointer in a "box" on top of the full,
un-enlarged screen, or Line which enlarges a whole line surrounding what the
mouse is pointing to. These might enable your friend to not have to have a
second monitor if he is only using 2x magnification.
This is just a thought that I had. I couldn't remember even what product I had
seen this in, but it happens to be ZoomText. I just never have used it myself.
I hope this helps. At least you can check it out in the Trial version.
Again, I don't know if ZoomText Lite has this feature or not.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is
willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for
him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who has
it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as discussed
here.
I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell
me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the
screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated
that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him
to make typos and lose his train of thought.
I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
interest will know what happened.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on
a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the
second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to
hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Very, very well said Geoff!
T H, I'm sorry I didn't see your note sooner and will respond with some
details. I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College. I was a
programmer at IBM for 17 years, until I was caught up in a lay-off.
I started a much more detailed response to you, and will do so tonight, but was
interrupted here at work and lost my previous response. So, look for some
other ideas and suggestions tonight.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:27 PM
T H.
I hope you won't object to my jumping in here. I do not have low vision, but I
have been around it a lot in my life. In high school in the 1960's, I taught
radio & tv repair in a sheltered workshop for Goodwill Industries. Some of those
I worked with were low vision, some in wheelchairs, etc. In those days, we
didn't have accessible buildings like we do now and the only technology was the
magnifier Karey mentioned.
My father was chairman of the board of an agency that offered services to blind
and low-vision clients. I used to read the newspaper on the air at our local
public radio station - a service specifically for those whose vision didn't
allow them to read the paper. I had to be at the station at 5AM Monday through
Friday.
Later, as a college professor, I occasionally had low-vision students, worked
with them in the classroom, and sometimes offered career counseling.
As long as you go out in public, you will have to explain your vision
requirements to people. My experience is that most people are genuinely
interested and concerned. They don't know what you can do for yourself, what you
can't, where they can help, and what you can do for yourself if you can sit in
the proper place in the room, or whatever.
The more you are out and about, the better you will get at dealing with your
low-vision, the more habitual these actions will become, and you will find that
people will sometimes ask you about what you are doing because you are so good
at dealing with your low-vision that they find it fascinating.
I know it is tiring to have to explain things over and over, so try to remember
that you are giving them an experience they have never had before and you are
giving them the opportunity to be of service to you -- so that you can be
productive and of service to others.
The extent to which you are comfortable with yourself is the extent to which you
can educate those around you, draw them to you, make friends, and important
career contacts. A character reference from a professor who has experienced your
mental attitude, motivation, your mastery of the subject matter, and your
creativity and intelligence goes a long way in getting a job.
It really isn't any different for you than for anyone else. You may have a
steeper road to climb, but ultimately, all of us look for the same things in our
friends, acquaintances, and fellow workers and those things have nothing to do
with low-vision -- although, sometimes you have to help those around you
discover that fact.
As for career and employers: I suggest that you examine your interests, your
capabilities, and your studies with a career counselor. A good career counselor
can help you focus on particular career areas where your vision will not affect
your ability to do the job -- and equally important - in an area where there's
high demand for talented people.
Most employers know that someone like you wouldn't have bothered with getting an
education and pursuing a career unless you were highly motivated and that counts
for a lot.
In my experience as an employer, I've found that those who have overcome
adversity to get to the point where they can creditably present themselves as a
qualified applicant often more than make up for any deficits through
determination and become some of the most productive employees in a business.
As for explaining it to employers: You should be familiar with the work to be
done and the work environment so that you can quickly and easily explain to them
how your low-vision will impact your duties and responsibilities.
An employer wants to know that you can do the job and do it without being
disruptive of other workers. They also want to see that you are well-adjusted
and will be a pleasant and helpful co-worker, that you will fit-in and that your
co-workers will be happy to have you as a co-worker.
You don't need to go into elaborate detail, but if you have devices you use, the
employer may enjoy having you demonstrate for them how you use them - But be
careful here. People who have not experienced low-vision will sometimes have an
exaggerated impression of the difficulties you face and showing them your
equipment may only cause them to believe you can't do the work.
I hope the above is helpful to you.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, T H <mrstish05@. ..> wrote:
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low
vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am
only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the
facrt that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going
to hire me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to
employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on
a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the
second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to
hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word
processing? I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but
it seems like Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive
if I've got IZOOM up and running. I've also noticed that the words
identified as misspelled by the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for
my daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she
can use any computer at school with it. Thanks!
Vicky G
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:
>
>
> I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he
> is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo
> for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
>
> I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone
> who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor
> as discussed here.
>
> I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they
> tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest
> of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
>
> Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work
> well.
>
> As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
> frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on
> that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
>
> I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
> interest will know what happened.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>, Karey
> Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
> magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
> magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use
> on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> >
> > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
> Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
> list.
> >
> > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
> running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
> and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
> the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
> "clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
> as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
> screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and while
> I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a
> span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the
> past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one
> monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along
> with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training, both with
> me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can look at the
> second screen
> > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something
> on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen
> and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best
> things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Have a Great Day!
> >
> > Karey Carbaugh
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
> >
> > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
> 200% to 300% would be plenty.
> >
> > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
> needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
> >
> > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
> and needs an assist.
> >
> > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
> ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
> the second screen.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
> on
> > > screen 2"
> > >
> > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > > provide cheap magnificication.
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second monitor
> > >
> > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
> a
> > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > > interested in additional suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bas
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of hostricity
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > > monitor
> > >
> > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> > >
> > > That's not what I want.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> > >
> > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
> would
> > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> > >
> > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > > screen 1.
> > >
> > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
--
"You are what your deep, driving desire is. As your deep, driving desire
is, so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed.
As your deed is, so is your destiny."
Upanishads
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi Vicky,
You can also try WinZoom http://www.getwinzoom.com.
They offer a UsB version, that does not need any driver installation or
administrator permission.
Peter Verhoeven
http://www.magnifiers.org
Peter Verhoeven
T +31 (0)77 359 2706
-----Original Message-----
From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Victoria Gaitanis
Sent: dinsdag 23 februari 2010 19:20
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word processing?
I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but it seems like
Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive if I've got IZOOM
up and running. I've also noticed that the words identified as misspelled by
the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for my
daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she can use
any computer at school with it. Thanks!
Vicky G
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:
>
>
> I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and
> he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up
> the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
>
> I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless
> someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work
> dual monitor as discussed here.
>
> I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and
> they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on
> the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
>
> Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would
> work well.
>
> As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
> frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and
> focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
>
> I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have
> taken an interest will know what happened.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look
> > into a
> magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot
> of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for
> people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify
it a little.
> >
> > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the
> > new
> Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about
> on this list.
> >
> > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
> running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the
> flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an
> enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both
> monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both
> monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an
> enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and
> last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them
> all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really
> wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+
> years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor
> and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along
> with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training,
> both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person
> can look at the second screen
> > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
> > something
> on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x
> screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of
> the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was
missing!
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Have a Great Day!
> >
> > Karey Carbaugh
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second
> monitor
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
> >
> > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
> 200% to 300% would be plenty.
> >
> > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate,
> > etc., but
> needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
> >
> > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to
> > diabetes
> and needs an assist.
> >
> > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
> ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of
> magnification on the second screen.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want
> > > "allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the
> > > magnification display
> on
> > > screen 2"
> > >
> > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom
> > > will provide cheap magnificication.
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
> > > ups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second monitor
> > >
> > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end
> > > magnifier is
> a
> > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
> > > > certainly
> > > interested in additional suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bas
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
> > > ups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of hostricity
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second monitor
> > >
> > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> > >
> > > That's not what I want.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a
> > > magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> > >
> > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
> would
> > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> > >
> > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier
> > > on screen 1.
> > >
> > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
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Hi T H,
As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was
laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my
visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first
find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to
get over.
It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie
about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get
to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.
This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first,
then they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't
always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be
open to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me
that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have
"overcome" the disability.
IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText,
but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the
job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the
computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering
data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and
realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the
data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of the manual
effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on
more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take
about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.
After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had
not anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you
an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I
have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have
become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even
hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the
College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason
I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into
it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to
get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just
never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to
their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate
for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they
wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with
top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours
per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a
Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had
discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to
find a job you enjoy and then you
can overcome the other challenges much easier.
I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to
everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest
in this topic.
Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
From: T H <mrstish05@...>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision
needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39
years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt
that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire
me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Karey,
Thanks for sharing that story. Fascinating and inspiring.
"One of my colleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not
anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated,"
I had never considered something like that but it makes perfect sense.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Karey Carbaugh
Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 3:51 AM
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
Hi T H,
As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.
I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off
in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual
impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what
you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about
it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to
know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this way
I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person. This
may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then
they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always
work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to
understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me
that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have
"overcome" the disability.
IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText,
but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the
job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.
This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was
quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I
could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.
So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed
my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the
same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to
do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I automated it, the
task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours. One of my calleagues
remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you an
idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I have
continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become
known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired
under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College
System to benefit them and the other colleges.
It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason
I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into
it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to
get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just
never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to
their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate for
my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted.
Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top
productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per
week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a
Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had
discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find
a job you enjoy and then you
can overcome the other challenges much easier.
I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to
everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest
in this topic.
Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@... <mailto:mrstish05%40yahoo.com> >
wrote:
From: T H <mrstish05@... <mailto:mrstish05%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of my
classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this
has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision needs to
people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and
never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low
vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish
school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!
And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can
look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You're most welcome Doug and thanks for responding! Its great to hear from you
again as it has been a while.
I thought others might find it of interest, as it was not something I had really
thought about when I was doing it. I was merely trying to make my life easier
and use the computer to "level the playing field" so to speak.
Thanks to you and your calleagues as well for all you've done on ZoomText! It
has truely enabled me to be productive. I'm at my other office today, which is
technically my main office though I'm only here one day a week. I have the
dual monitors set up. I did this primarily for training, both me training
others and them training me, so that I'd have an un-enlarged monitor for them to
look at while I use ZoomText. I have found that the side-by-side monitors in
"span" mode are a real God send for spreadsheets and lining up information.
Before long, I may want the dual monitors in both offices! I just wanted to
say thinks and to share with you that this has been far more valuable than I had
ever imagined and I've only had it for a week so I'm still really just getting
used to it.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Doug Hacker <dhacker@...> wrote:
From: Doug Hacker <dhacker@...>
Subject: RE: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 5:38 AM
Karey,
Thanks for sharing that story. Fascinating and inspiring.
"One of my colleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had not
anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, "
I had never considered something like that but it makes perfect sense.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com on behalf of Karey Carbaugh
Sent: Wed 2/24/2010 3:51 AM
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
Hi T H,
As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community College.
I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was laid off
in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my visual
impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first find what
you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to get over.
It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie about
it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get to know
me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this way I am
seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person. This may
seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they
are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always work,
but there are just some people who will never understand or be open to
understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me
that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have
"overcome" the disability.
IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText,
but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the
job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the computer.
This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering data that was
quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and realized that I
could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the data to input it.
So, I created a program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed
my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing the
same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do,
and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I automated it, the task
could be done with greater accuracy in about 2 hours. One of my calleagues
remarked a few months after I started that she had not anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you an
idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I have
continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have become
known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even hired
under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the College
System to benefit them and the other colleges.
It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason I
was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into it
with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to get
my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just never
understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to their
humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my
disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I
understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity
from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me
to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community College
than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered this sooner.
Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a job you enjoy and then
you
can overcome the other challenges much easier.
I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to
everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest
in this topic.
Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com <mailto:mrstish05% 40yahoo.com> >
wrote:
From: T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com <mailto:mrstish05% 40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:magnifiers% 40yahoogroups. com>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of my
classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and this
has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision needs to
people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39 years old and
never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low
vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish
school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the avil.ity
to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!!
And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person can
look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
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Hi Karey. I really appreciate your feedback. No one understands the
struggles that I endure because they don't walk in my shoes. Being able to
express myself to someone who can understand makes a big difference to me. I
have dealt with this disability for years now but it tends to be a daily
struggle but I keep moving along. I continue to strive in college so that I
can someday achieve that degree and find a career that will accept me for who I
am.
--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:51 AM
Hi T H,
As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was
laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my
visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first
find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to
get over.
It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie
about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get
to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.
This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first,
then they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't
always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be
open to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting me
that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I have
"overcome" the disability.
IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for ZoomText,
but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I could do the
job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on the
computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and entering
data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred and
realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read the
data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of the manual
effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on
more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take
about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do.
After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that she had
not anticipated my disability
being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you
an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I
have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have
become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even
hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the
College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the reason
I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I looked into
it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I wonl, was to
get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was one that just
never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being driven to
their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to compensate
for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels they
wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with
top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours
per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a
Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had
discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to
find a job you enjoy and then you
can overcome the other challenges much easier.
I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent to
everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had interest
in this topic.
Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: T H <mrstish05@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision
needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39
years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt
that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire
me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
Geoff,
I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new Windows
7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this list.
I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on my
screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I see
it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but needs
the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and needs
an assist.
We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@... > wrote:
>
> Geoff,
>
> Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> screen 2"
>
> However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> provide cheap magnificication.
>
> Shawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of davebrody2004
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> second monitor
>
> You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> interested in additional suggestions.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> www.aisquared. com and
> > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > >
> > > - Bas
> > >
> >
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> Behalf Of hostricity
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> monitor
>
> Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
>
> That's not what I want.
>
> I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
>
> So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
>
> Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> screen 1.
>
> Is anyone aware of software like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geoff
>
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Has anyone tried this magnifier. What do people think?
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, "Verhoeven, Peter" <peter.verhoeven@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Vicky,
>
> You can also try WinZoom http://www.getwinzoom.com.
> They offer a UsB version, that does not need any driver installation or
administrator permission.
>
> Peter Verhoeven
> http://www.magnifiers.org
>
>
> Peter Verhoeven
> T +31 (0)77 359 2706
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Victoria Gaitanis
> Sent: dinsdag 23 februari 2010 19:20
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has problems with IZOOM using word processing?
I'm just demo-ing the software so maybe that's the issue - but it seems like
Word runs a lot slower and the keyboard is way less responsive if I've got IZOOM
up and running. I've also noticed that the words identified as misspelled by
the red wavy lines are not very clear at all.
> Anyone have any ideas? I'm mainly trying to find screen magnification for my
daughter who is low vision - something affordable but portable - so she can use
any computer at school with it. Thanks!
> Vicky G
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, hostricity <geoffstaples@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and
> > he is willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up
> > the demo for him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
> >
> > I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless
> > someone who has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work
> > dual monitor as discussed here.
> >
> > I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and
> > they tell me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on
> > the rest of the screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
> >
> > Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would
> > work well.
> >
> > As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets
> > frustrated that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and
> > focusing on that causes him to make typos and lose his train of thought.
> >
> > I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have
> > taken an interest will know what happened.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look
> > > into a
> > magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot
> > of magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for
> > people to use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify
it a little.
> > >
> > > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the
> > > new
> > Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about
> > on this list.
> > >
> > > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
> > running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the
> > flexibility and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an
> > enlarged image and the other an un-enlarged image, having both
> > monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other, or having both
> > monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with an
> > enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and
> > last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them
> > all the time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really
> > wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+
> > years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with only one monitor
> > and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x image along
> > with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for training,
> > both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted person
> > can look at the second screen
> > > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
> > > something
> > on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x
> > screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of
> > the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was
missing!
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Have a Great Day!
> > >
> > > Karey Carbaugh
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@>
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second
> > monitor
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.
> > >
> > > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
> > >
> > > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
> > 200% to 300% would be plenty.
> > >
> > > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate,
> > > etc., but
> > needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
> > >
> > > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to
> > > diabetes
> > and needs an assist.
> > >
> > > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
> > ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of
> > magnification on the second screen.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Geoff,
> > > >
> > > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want
> > > > "allows me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the
> > > > magnification display
> > on
> > > > screen 2"
> > > >
> > > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom
> > > > will provide cheap magnificication.
> > > >
> > > > Shawn
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
> > > > ups.com]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > > second monitor
> > > >
> > > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end
> > > > magnifier is
> > a
> > > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> > > >
> > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
> > > > > certainly
> > > > interested in additional suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > > > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Bas
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogro
> > > > ups.com]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of hostricity
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > > second monitor
> > > >
> > > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> > > >
> > > > That's not what I want.
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a
> > > > magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> > > >
> > > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
> > would
> > > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> > > >
> > > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier
> > > > on screen 1.
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "You are what your deep, driving desire is. As your deep, driving desire is,
so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed.
> As your deed is, so is your destiny."
> Upanishads
>
>
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>
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immediately by telephone and with a 'reply' message.
>
> Thank you for your co-operation.
>
Karey:
ZoomText Lite doesn't have the dual monitor feature.
We've installed software and setup the second monitor. My friend really likes
it.
He has a large monitor, set to make stuff as big as possible without stuff
staring to jumble up, etc.
I've watched him use it. He can see fine to open a browser, go to his email, and
look at the list of email that has come in, but, it's a little bit of a strain.
When he opens an email, he uses the magnifier and reads it on the other screen.
That works really well.
In fact, with two monitors, sometimes he just moves something to the other
screen and magnifies it there.
Sometimes, he uses the magnifier on the main screen.
But, he really likes just leaving it set so that the second screen always shows
what's under the magnifying glass on the first screen because that gives him the
best overall view of the main screen and he can see what's too small, or
eye-strainy on the second monitor.
Please note that my friend has better vision then most who use this stuff, so
the main screen is readable for some things, and it is mostly when he drills
down into an email, document, or whatever, that he uses the magnifier.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Geoff,
>
> I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't
understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen. After
25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out
including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my
"natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor. I remember
being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier lenses on and
litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in college. They
found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so you could make the
letters twice as big. This wasn't big enough, but cut down the strain a lot.
>
> If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that
I think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less
expensive. I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I
would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it
will be easier to use it on 1 monitor. To me, looking back and forth would be
slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
>
> I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in
Windows? This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially
with a very large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display. I'm
just thinking of options which might be more cost-effective for him.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is
willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for
him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
>
> I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who
has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as
discussed here.
>
> I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell
me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the
screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
>
> Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
>
> As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated
that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him
to make typos and lose his train of thought.
>
> I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
interest will know what happened.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> > Â
> > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on
a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> > Â
> > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> > Â
> > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the
> second screen
> > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to
hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Have a Great Day!
> >
> > Karey Carbaugh
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
> >
> > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200%
to 300% would be plenty.
> >
> > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
> >
> > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
> >
> > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability
to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > > screen 2"
> > >
> > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > > provide cheap magnificication.
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second monitor
> > >
> > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > > interested in additional suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bas
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of hostricity
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > > monitor
> > >
> > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> > >
> > > That's not what I want.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> > >
> > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> > >
> > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > > screen 1.
> > >
> > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job.
I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never
lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people
get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In
this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person."
I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the U. S.
elected to the bench.
He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in November,
barring something weird.
When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him first as a
competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short video which we put up
on the home page of his website. Once you get into the website, it is obvious
that he's a dwarf from the photos with other political figures and the stuff he
says about it in his biography. He's a really strong candidate, so I don't know
if the "get to know him first" strategy actually made any difference, but he's
winning and it didn't hurt.
Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let it
roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they have to
put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are out in public,
that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and ask if they can take
their picture or have a picture taken with them. They think the people want a
picture of the "freaks", and I agree.
I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or sitting
next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them about being a
dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always curious and excited
to meet people who have different experiences from my own, but walking up to
someone on the street and asking to take their picture seems really rude.
I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly than
most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in the Johns
Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of different people and
they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about what we had in common and
what's different.
My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about discussing
these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a friendly gesture of
goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they believe is genuinely
interested and sympathetic.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...> wrote:
>
> Hi T H,
>
> As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I was
laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to my
visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should first
find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier to
get over.
>
> It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie
about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people get
to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person.
This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know me first,
then they are usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't
always work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be
open to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
>
> For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting
me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I
have "overcome" the disability.
>
> IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I
could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task on
the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and
entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became borred
and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to read
the data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of the
manual effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found myself
taking on more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks
used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues
to do. After I automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in
about 2 hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that
she had not anticipated my disability
> being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you
an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I
have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have
become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even
hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the
College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
>
> It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the
reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I
looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I
wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was
one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being
driven to their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to
compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels
they wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week
with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120
hours per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working
for a Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had
discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to
find a job you enjoy and then you
> can overcome the other challenges much easier.
>
> I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent
to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had
interest in this topic.
>
> Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: T H <mrstish05@...>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low vision
needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am only 39
years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the facrt
that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going to hire
me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on a
TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
>
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
>
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to hit
ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Well said Geoff!
I completely agree with you and yes it is rather angering to hear of people
coming up and wanting to take a picture of your friend. I do hope he wins the
election as this could be a huge step for many people who are different.
When I was going through Voc. Rehab. I had a meeting with my counsellor and
another gentleman one time and turned around as he entered the room. At first
I thought he was in a wheelchair based on where we made eye contact, then I
realized he was standing up and was a dwarf. While it was surprising at first,
having not met many dwarfs myself, I would have NEVER thought of taking his
picture, or even wanting to.
I do agree that the person's comfort level with their own situation, whether a
disability or other condition, will "rub off" on others and set the tone for the
interaction.
Good luck to your friend in the election!
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:06 AM
Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I
never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way
people get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my
disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled person."
I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the U. S.
elected to the bench.
He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in November,
barring something weird.
When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him first as a
competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short video which we put up
on the home page of his website. Once you get into the website, it is obvious
that he's a dwarf from the photos with other political figures and the stuff he
says about it in his biography. He's a really strong candidate, so I don't know
if the "get to know him first" strategy actually made any difference, but he's
winning and it didn't hurt.
Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let it
roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they have to
put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are out in public,
that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and ask if they can take
their picture or have a picture taken with them. They think the people want a
picture of the "freaks", and I agree.
I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or sitting
next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them about being a
dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always curious and excited
to meet people who have different experiences from my own, but walking up to
someone on the street and asking to take their picture seems really rude.
I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly than
most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in the Johns
Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of different people and
they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about what we had in common and
what's different.
My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about discussing
these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a friendly gesture of
goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they believe is genuinely
interested and sympathetic.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi T H,
> Â
> As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before I
was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with regard to
my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that you should
first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual impairement easier
to get over.
> Â
> It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm people at
first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your job. I have
found that for me it works best to down play the impairement. I never lie
about it, but I don't always bring it up in the beginning. This way people
get to know me first as a person and then they learn about my disability. In
this way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled
person. This may seem like symantics, but I have found that if people know
me first, then they are usually more willing to get past the disability.Â
This doesn't always work, but there are just some people who will never
understand or be open to understanding. You have to find the approach
that works best for you.
> Â
> For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after meeting
me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This means that I
have "overcome" the disability.
> Â
> IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that I
could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual task
on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to another and
entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the task, I became
borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as others, due to needing to
read the data to input it. So, I created a program that automated much of
the manual effort. When I showed my supervisor what I had done, I found
myself taking on more tasks and doing the same with them. ONe of my early on
tasks used to take about 2 days for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my
calleagues to do. After I automated it, the task could be done with greater
accuracy in about 2 hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after
I started that she had not
anticipated my disability
> being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of these
manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they had never
anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this just to give you
an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn them into assets. I
have continued to create these efficiencies in my current position and have
become known throught the Community College system here in Colorado and was even
hired under contract to do some of what I have done for my college at the
College System to benefit them and the other colleges.
> Â
> It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of the
reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but when I
looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could hope for, if I
wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same supervisor. He was
one that just never understood and the culture was such that everyone was being
driven to their humanly possible limits. This made it nearly impossible to
compensate for my disability and I was just not able to produce at the levels
they wanted. Now, I understand that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week
with top productivity from everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120
hours per week from me to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working
for a Community College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had
discovered this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to
find a job you
enjoy and then you
> can overcome the other challenges much easier.
> Â
> I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not pertinent
to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case others had
interest in this topic.
> Â
> Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help, dont
hesitate to e-mail me.
> Â
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> From: T H <mrstish05@. ..>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending college to
pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I access most of
my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes this semester and
this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly explaining my low
vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for over ten years and I am
only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my situation. I struggle with the
facrt that I have low vision every day. I always wonder if someone is going
to hire me after I finish school. How do I explain my situation to
employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
> Â
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to use on
a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and last
options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the time,
or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already proved
invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The
sighted person can look at the
second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things to
hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200% to
300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability to
use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
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Geoff,
I was afraid this might be the case with ZoomText Lite, but thought it was worth
a shot.
One of the reasons I sugggested the different view modes was that they offer
some level of being able to see the whole screen and "zoom in" on what you want
to enlarge without the costly and space connsuming second monitor. If the
second monitor works, that is probably the best solution if cost is not an issue
and if your friend has enough space on his work area. With flat screen
monitors, the space isn't as much of an issue as it once was when 20 inch
monitor took up a whole desk and took a team of mules to move. :)
Thank you,
Have a Great Day!
Karey Carbaugh
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@...> wrote:
From: hostricity <geoffstaples@...>
Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:32 AM
Karey:
ZoomText Lite doesn't have the dual monitor feature.
We've installed software and setup the second monitor. My friend really likes
it.
He has a large monitor, set to make stuff as big as possible without stuff
staring to jumble up, etc.
I've watched him use it. He can see fine to open a browser, go to his email, and
look at the list of email that has come in, but, it's a little bit of a strain.
When he opens an email, he uses the magnifier and reads it on the other screen.
That works really well.
In fact, with two monitors, sometimes he just moves something to the other
screen and magnifies it there.
Sometimes, he uses the magnifier on the main screen.
But, he really likes just leaving it set so that the second screen always shows
what's under the magnifying glass on the first screen because that gives him the
best overall view of the main screen and he can see what's too small, or
eye-strainy on the second monitor.
Please note that my friend has better vision then most who use this stuff, so
the main screen is readable for some things, and it is mostly when he drills
down into an email, document, or whatever, that he uses the magnifier.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Geoff,
> Â
> I guess I've been using ZoomText on a single screen for so long that I can't
understand the difficulty with losing the "natural flow" on a screen.Â
After 25+ years of using ZoomText, and other products before ZoomText came out
including a CCTV with a cable that plugged into my PC back in the 80's, my
"natural flow" is clearly using magnification on a single monitor. I
remember being very excited when I no longer had to put my strong magnifier
lenses on and litteerally rub my nose on the screen to read it while I was in
college. They found an old CRT terminal that had dual pitch characters, so
you could make the letters twice as big. This wasn't big enough, but cut
down the strain a lot.
> Â
> If your friend only needs about 2X magnification, ZoomText has a product that
I think they now call ZoomText Lite which has lower magnification and is less
expensive. I don't know if it has the dual monitor capability or ot, but I
would still guess that once your friend gets used to using the magnification it
will be easier to use it on 1 monitor. To me, looking back and forth would
be slower, but maybe its all in what you get used to.
> Â
> I presume you have already tried the normal font size enhancements in
Windows? This also might work for the lower magnification needs, especially
with a very large display, like say a 20-inch or even a 27 inch display. I'm
just thinking of options which might be more cost-effective for him.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:42 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> I'm glad to know that works well for you. I've talked to my friend and he is
willing to spend the money on Zoom Text, so I'm going to set up the demo for
him. I think it will be exactly what he needs.
>
> I'm a techy, so I'll check out the Windows 7 magnifier -- unless someone who
has it would be kind enough to let us know if it will work dual monitor as
discussed here.
>
> I've seen people using magnification software on a single screen and they tell
me it is disorienting because it obstructs seeing what is on the rest of the
screen and disrupts the natural flow of using the computer.
>
> Which is why I thought that a separate monitor that magnifies would work well.
>
> As I mentioned previously, my friend can see the screen, but gets frustrated
that he can't read a lot of it quite well enough and focusing on that causes him
to make typos and lose his train of thought.
>
> I'll report back after we get this going for him so those who have taken an
interest will know what happened.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> > ÂÂ
> > I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to
use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a little.
> > ÂÂ
> > Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on this
list.
> > ÂÂ
> > I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work, running
ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility and the
avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and the other an
un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged "clone" of each other,
or having both monitors in Span mode where they act as a really wide screen with
an enlarged image that goes across both screens. I love the first and
last options I've described above, and while I probably won't use them all the
time, or even a lot of the time, having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my
goodness how did I ever do it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or
more before that with only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30
columns!! And, the 1x image along with an enlarged image has already
proved invaluable for training, both with me as the traner and as the
trainee! The sighted
person can look at the
> second screen
> > while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me something on
my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on the 1x screen and I
see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one of the best things
to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what I was missing!
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Have a Great Day!
> >
> > Karey Carbaugh
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ ...>
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
monitor
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.
> >
> > The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
> >
> > We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility. 200%
to 300% would be plenty.
> >
> > This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc., but
needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller text.
> >
> > He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes and
needs an assist.
> >
> > We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his ability
to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on the second
screen.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display on
> > > screen 2"
> > >
> > > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > > provide cheap magnificication.
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > > second monitor
> > >
> > > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is a
> > > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm certainly
> > > interested in additional suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bas
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro ups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of hostricity
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > > monitor
> > >
> > > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> > >
> > > That's not what I want.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> > >
> > > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but would
> > > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> > >
> > > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > > screen 1.
> > >
> > > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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This has been a most interesting thread. I agree with Karey in that it is
best when possible to let someone, especially a potential employer, get to
know you before disclosing that you have a disability. I work as a
consultant so often have to interview for new assignments and travel to
new places. I find that people are genuinely interested in how we work on
the computer and get around. Most are reluctant to ask as they do not
want to be intrusive. Its nice when they do feel comfortable enough to
ask questions. I would be the same way with those with other
disabilities, the dwarf for example. As someone said, it is interesting
to learn about all sorts of different people.
The anecdote about people wanting to have their picture taken with the
dwarf reminds me of something that happened to me shortly after 911. I
was walking down the street and a total stranger came up to me and told
me how lucky I was not to be able to see the horrific tv images of the
twin towers burning and collapse. I was so surprised that I did not think
of a good response, just muttered something about not considering myself
particularly lucky in that regard. I'm still amazed someone would think
that way and also wonder at the incredible idiocy of going up to a dwarf
and asking to have your picture taken with him or her.
Regards,
Sherry Wells
"hostricity" <geoffstaples@...>
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Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you
overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how
you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they
learn about my disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled
person."
I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the
U. S. elected to the bench.
He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in
November, barring something weird.
When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him
first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short
video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into
the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other
political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a
really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first"
strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't
hurt.
Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let
it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they
have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are
out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and
ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They
think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.
I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or
sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them
about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always
curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my
own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their
picture seems really rude.
I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly
than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in
the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of
different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about
what we had in common and what's different.
My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about
discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a
friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they
believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi T H,
> Â
> As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before
I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with
regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that
you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual
impairement easier to get over.
> Â
> It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then
they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a
disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like
symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are
usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always
work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open
to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
> Â
> For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after
meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This
means that I have "overcome" the disability.
> Â
> IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that
I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual
task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to
another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the
task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as
others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a
program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my
supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing
the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days
for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I
automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that
she had not anticipated my disability
> being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of
these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they
had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this
just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn
them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my
current position and have become known throught the Community College
system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of
what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and
the other colleges.
> Â
> It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of
the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but
when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could
hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same
supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was
such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.Â
This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was
just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand
that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from
everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me
to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community
College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered
this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a
job you enjoy and then you
> can overcome the other challenges much easier.
> Â
> I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not
pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case
others had interest in this topic.
> Â
> Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help,
dont hesitate to e-mail me.
> Â
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: T H <mrstish05@...>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending
college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I
access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes
this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly
explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for
over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my
situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.Â
I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.Â
How do I explain my situation to employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
> Â
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to
use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a
little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on
this list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
"clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and
while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time,
having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do
it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with
only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x
image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted
person can look at the second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on
the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one
of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what
I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
200% to 300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc.,
but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller
text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
and needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
the second screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Thanks everyone (again) for a very interesting discussion. A little bit off
topic but, given the current thoughts, something I thought you’d all be
interested in . . .
On the Ai Squared homepage you’ll see a video that advertises ZoomText but
also includes a human interest element involving a man named Charlie Collins,
one of our dealers. If you haven’t seen the video it’s on our homepage at
http://www.aisquared.com/
The video was filmed and edited by a friend of mine, George Kachadorian, who
also made an award winning documentary movie called “Shooting Beauty”. The
movie addresses many of the themes we’re talking about here – in this case
focusing on a group of folks with Cerebral Palsy whose lives and emotions are
revealed through a photography project.
Here’s the trailer for the movie:
http://www.everyonedeservesashot.com/trailer.htm
Hopefully, it will come to your area or reach some wider distribution soon.
From: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:magnifiers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sherry Wells
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:27 AM
To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Random Thoughts on Disabilities
This has been a most interesting thread. I agree with Karey in that it is
best when possible to let someone, especially a potential employer, get to
know you before disclosing that you have a disability. I work as a
consultant so often have to interview for new assignments and travel to
new places. I find that people are genuinely interested in how we work on
the computer and get around. Most are reluctant to ask as they do not
want to be intrusive. Its nice when they do feel comfortable enough to
ask questions. I would be the same way with those with other
disabilities, the dwarf for example. As someone said, it is interesting
to learn about all sorts of different people.
The anecdote about people wanting to have their picture taken with the
dwarf reminds me of something that happened to me shortly after 911. I
was walking down the street and a total stranger came up to me and told
me how lucky I was not to be able to see the horrific tv images of the
twin towers burning and collapse. I was so surprised that I did not think
of a good response, just muttered something about not considering myself
particularly lucky in that regard. I'm still amazed someone would think
that way and also wonder at the incredible idiocy of going up to a dwarf
and asking to have your picture taken with him or her.
Regards,
Sherry Wells
"hostricity" <geoffstaples@... <mailto:geoffstaples%40hostricity.com>
>
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Karey said, "It is true that you have to be careful about how much you
overwhelm people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how
you do your job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then they
learn about my disability. In this
way I am seen as a person with a disability rather than as a disabled
person."
I agree. I do websites for political candidates. One of my candidates is a
dwarf. If he is elected judge, we think he will be the first dwarf in the
U. S. elected to the bench.
He is a great person and will likely beat two opponents in the Democratic
primary next week. The winner of the Democratic Primary will win in
November, barring something weird.
When I did his website, I told him that people should get to know him
first as a competent attorney and candidate. So, I had him do a short
video which we put up on the home page of his website. Once you get into
the website, it is obvious that he's a dwarf from the photos with other
political figures and the stuff he says about it in his biography. He's a
really strong candidate, so I don't know if the "get to know him first"
strategy actually made any difference, but he's winning and it didn't
hurt.
Here's something he told me I found really offensive. He and his wife let
it roll off their backs, but I know it is annoying to them and that they
have to put on a game face and be polite: They tell me that when they are
out in public, that it isn't uncommon for people to walk up to them and
ask if they can take their picture or have a picture taken with them. They
think the people want a picture of the "freaks", and I agree.
I was surprised that people would do that. If I were standing in line or
sitting next to one of them in a bar, I wouldn't hesitate talking to them
about being a dwarf if we were enjoying casual conversation -- I'm always
curious and excited to meet people who have different experiences from my
own, but walking up to someone on the street and asking to take their
picture seems really rude.
I know that I will talk with people about this kind of stuff more quickly
than most other people. I think it's because I grew up in Baltimore, in
the Johns Hopkins community, and I was constantly around all kinds of
different people and they were my friends - so, of course, we talked about
what we had in common and what's different.
My theory is that people can tell whether you are comfortable about
discussing these things with them, and they interpret that comfort as a
friendly gesture of goodwill, so they are happy to talk with someone they
believe is genuinely interested and sympathetic.
Geoff
--- In magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com> , Karey
Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi T H,
> Â
> As I mentioned earlier, I am an Applications Programmer at a Community
College. I previously worked for IBM as a programmer for 17 years before
I was laid off in 2002. I have found good and bad supervisors with
regard to my visual impairement. I completely agree with Groff in that
you should first find what you enjoy doing and that will make the visual
impairement easier to get over.
> Â
> It is true that you have to be careful about how much you overwhelm
people at first with your needs for adaptive ewuipment and how you do your
job. I have found that for me it works best to down play the
impairement. I never lie about it, but I don't always bring it up in the
beginning. This way people get to know me first as a person and then
they learn about my disability. In this way I am seen as a person with a
disability rather than as a disabled person. This may seem like
symantics, but I have found that if people know me first, then they are
usually more willing to get past the disability. This doesn't always
work, but there are just some people who will never understand or be open
to understanding. You have to find the approach that works best for you.
> Â
> For me, the best compliment is when soneone finds out some time after
meeting me that I am legally blind and is surprised to find out. This
means that I have "overcome" the disability.
> Â
> IN my current job, I let them know fairly early on about the need for
ZoomText, but by that point they already knew from my past experience that
I could do the job. One of my first assignments was to do a very manual
task on the computer. This involved copying data from one screen to
another and entering data that was quite tedious. After learning the
task, I became borred and realized that I could not do it as fast as
others, due to needing to read the data to input it. So, I created a
program that automated much of the manual effort. When I showed my
supervisor what I had done, I found myself taking on more tasks and doing
the same with them. ONe of my early on tasks used to take about 2 days
for me to do, and aobut a day for one of my calleagues to do. After I
automated it, the task could be done with greater accuracy in about 2
hours. One of my calleagues remarked a few months after I started that
she had not anticipated my disability
> being an asset to the department because in my difficulty to do some of
these manual tasks, I had created efficiencies in the department that they
had never anticipated, much less in my first few months. I share this
just to give you an idea of how you can take your difficulties and turn
them into assets. I have continued to create these efficiencies in my
current position and have become known throught the Community College
system here in Colorado and was even hired under contract to do some of
what I have done for my college at the College System to benefit them and
the other colleges.
> Â
> It has not always been easy. In fact, I truely believe that some of
the reason I was selected for the lay-off was due to my disability, but
when I looked into it with a lawywer, I was told that the best I could
hope for, if I wonl, was to get my job back and be working for the same
supervisor. He was one that just never understood and the culture was
such that everyone was being driven to their humanly possible limits.Â
This made it nearly impossible to compensate for my disability and I was
just not able to produce at the levels they wanted. Now, I understand
that they are expecting 60 to 80 hours a week with top productivity from
everyone and this would have meant about 100 to 120 hours per week from me
to compensate. I'm enjoying life so much more working for a Community
College than for the corporate world. I only wish that I had discovered
this sooner. Again, I mention this to say it is so important to find a
job you enjoy and then you
> can overcome the other challenges much easier.
> Â
> I'd be happy to discuss this more off-line as I'm sure this is not
pertinent to everyone on this list, but I wanted to share a bit in case
others had interest in this topic.
> Â
> Best of luck to you in your career decisions and if I can be of help,
dont hesitate to e-mail me.
> Â
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, T H <mrstish05@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: T H <mrstish05@...>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:magnifiers%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:27 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Hi Karey, what do you do for a living? I am currently attending
college to pursue my Bachelor degree in Health Information Management. I
access most of my classes online but decided to take some in seat classes
this semester and this has been a challenge for me. I am constantly
explaining my low vision needs to people. I have had low visoin for
over ten years and I am only 39 years old and never knew anyone in my
situation. I struggle with the facrt that I have low vision every day.Â
I always wonder if someone is going to hire me after I finish school.Â
How do I explain my situation to employers?
>
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karey Carbaugh <kareycarbaugh@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:08 PM
>
> Â
>
> Geoff,
> Â
> I'm not sure if they even make these any more, but you might look into a
magnifier that can be placed over the screen if he doesn't need a lot of
magnification. They make, or used to make, such devices for people to
use on a TV and they sat in front of the TV screen to just magnify it a
little.
> Â
> Also, I don't know if this dual monitor feature is available in the new
Windows 7 Magnifier, built in to Windows, that many have raved about on
this list.
> Â
> I personally just hooked up a second monitor to my system at work,
running ZoomText, last week. I absolutely LOVE it, love the flexibility
and the avil.ity to HotKey between 1 monitor having an enlarged image and
the other an un-enlarged image, having both monitors with an enlarged
"clone" of each other, or having both monitors in Span mode where they act
as a really wide screen with an enlarged image that goes across both
screens. I love the first and last options I've described above, and
while I probably won't use them all the time, or even a lot of the time,
having a span of a really wide spreadsheet, my goodness how did I ever do
it for the past 10+ years with ZoomText and 15 or more before that with
only one monitor and a spreadsheet with 20 or 30 columns!! And, the 1x
image along with an enlarged image has already proved invaluable for
training, both with me as the traner and as the trainee! The sighted
person can look at the second screen
> while I look at the enlarged screen and if they want to show me
something on my screen, I simply hand them my mouse and they move it on
the 1x screen and I see it on the 8x enlarged screen! This is truely one
of the best things to hit ZoomText in a long time, and I didn't know what
I was missing!
>
> Thank you,
> Have a Great Day!
>
> Karey Carbaugh
>
> --- On Fri, 2/19/10, hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com> wrote:
>
> From: hostricity <geoffstaples@ hostricity. com>
> Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
second monitor
> To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:26 PM
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> The dual monitor feature as I described is the primary requirement.
>
> We don't need really high power magnification or a lot of flexibility.
200% to 300% would be plenty.
>
> This is for someone who can see the monitor screen to navigate, etc.,
but needs the magnification to perform various functions and read smaller
text.
>
> He is not legally blind, but has low vision issues related to diabetes
and needs an assist.
>
> We found that magnifying directly under the magnifier disrupts his
ability to use and navigate the screen, hence the idea of magnification on
the second screen.
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "Shawn Warren" <swarren@ > wrote:
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Don't waste your time. WinZoom does not support what you want "allows
> > me to use a magnifier on screen 1, but have the magnification display
on
> > screen 2"
> >
> > However, if you don't care about the Dual Mon support, WinZoom will
> > provide cheap magnificication.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of davebrody2004
> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 1:22 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Re: Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on
> > second monitor
> >
> > You might want to try www.getwinzoom. com. Their high end magnifier is
a
> > lot less. They also offer a lite version for $60.
> >
> > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, "hostricity" <geoffstaples@ >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you for the suggestion. ZoomText is expensive, so I'm
certainly
> > interested in additional suggestions.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --- In magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com, Bas Cancrinus <bascancr@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Zoomtext 9.1 has that setting. Download a trial from
> > www.aisquared. com and
> > > > check out the dual monitor settings.
> > > >
> > > > - Bas
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:magnifiers@ yahoogro
ups.com] On
> > Behalf Of hostricity
> > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:02 PM
> > To: magnifiers@yahoogro ups.com
> > Subject: [magnifiers] Dual Monitor - Magnification displays on second
> > monitor
> >
> > Every software I have seen magnifies where you place the magnifier.
> >
> > That's not what I want.
> >
> > I'm looking for Windows XP software which allows me to use a magnifier
> > on screen 1, but have the magnification display on screen 2.
> >
> > So, screen 1, would only display the outline of the magnifier, but
would
> > otherwise look normal. No magnification would display on screen 1.
> >
> > Screen 2 would display magnified whatever is under the magnifier on
> > screen 1.
> >
> > Is anyone aware of software like this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Hi everyone.
Windows 7, and its integrated magnifier, came as an angel send from above and
allowed me to throw the crappy zoomtext to the mountains of software-scrap. I
did realize how a simple product with great performance could beat a slow,
comprehensive walrus. Thank god.
But my education (I am studying software engineering) requires me to rub the
belly of the pingvin. After running linux inside a virtual machine for some
time, I think I am ready to engage in a closer relationship with the pingvin
allowing it access to the most secret parts of my computer.
It is where my problems begin Is there any kind of decent magnifier available on
that platform? Compiz-fusion, which can be categorized as the counterpart to
Aero in windows, offers a magnifier with similar functionality, but my problem
is that it seams it has the worst "image quality" ever. Text is extremely
blurry. Is it possible to enable some kind of font smoothing or does anyone here
have experience with different solutions that works better?
Thanks in advance.
Have a nice day, kind regards, kenneth brodersen
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