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Re: [manila-dev] Themes: It's even worse than it appears

Philip Greenspun has a new weblog.

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/

Isn't that cool. Really!

Now look at the bit about the department.

As someone who loves Manila, this embarasses the hell out of me. Why can't we
get rid of these glitches? Why, when we do, do they keep coming back??

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Winer
To: manila-dev@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Bryan Bell
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: [manila-dev] Themes: It's even worse than it appears


I finally got some feedback from Bryan Bell, and he tells me that at least
some of the themes that UserLand is distributing with Manila are obsolete.
So I have to change the purpose of the review of Themes for 2003, it needs a
new first step. I need to know which of the themes that are being
distributed should not be distributed. I don't need to work on these things
only to find out that the work was wasted.

So does anyone have a clue which themes are worth preserving and which
should be thrown on the scrap heap. Bryan has not really been much of a help
here. I must do something about this. My users are actually using the damned
things, the ones Bryan says they shouldn't. What a goddam mess this is.

Basically, if Bryan and Jake would sign on to making this work, we'd get a
result in a few days, instead of languishing for what's turning out to be
years. I have to be this blunt because I'm getting killed here with my
users. I won't tell them that I'm waiting for a come-together on the
development side. I am not skilled enough in Themes to run this. Bryan and
Jake have the knowledge. Maybe some of you guys. I don't.

Dave


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Wed Apr 9, 2003 10:30 am

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I finally got some feedback from Bryan Bell, and he tells me that at least some of the themes that UserLand is distributing with Manila are obsolete. So I have...
Dave Winer
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Apr 9, 2003
9:49 am

Philip Greenspun has a new weblog. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/ Isn't that cool. Really! Now look at the bit about the department. As someone who loves...
Dave Winer
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Apr 9, 2003
10:30 am

I'm going to fix the glitch: Posted by Philip Greenspun to the "" Department Dave ... From: Dave Winer To: manila-dev@yahoogroups.com Cc:...
Dave Winer
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Apr 9, 2003
10:30 am

Did Bryan say why he thinks the old themes are obsolete? I got a sneaky suspicion that it's because he's got the CSS religion now. In some ways I agree -- it's...
Jeff Cheney
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Apr 9, 2003
6:17 pm

... I can't answer this question directly. I did take the time to do a review of the themes that ship with Frontier 9.0 and see what version and other...
Thomas A. Creedon
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Apr 10, 2003
2:56 am

Hi Dave: I would concur with what Thomas wrote, but I would be even more radical. Disable all themes except for the ones after Bryan got CSS religion. i.e....
Roland Tanglao
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Apr 10, 2003
5:07 am

... I would agree with this if all your users are using newish browsers some of the fine css themes are really unusable in netscape 4.7 and some othe browsers...
sdevore@...
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Apr 10, 2003
5:17 am

I would like to ask about the <http://slashnot.manilasites.com/> theme. I have tried to use the responseText-macro from the discussion group theme, but in...
Jan M.J. Storms
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Apr 10, 2003
6:06 am

Hello all, I emailed with Erin Clerico and Bryan Bell about the My Frontpage theme. Bryan considers this theme obsolete. Toodle-loooooooo.......... Thomas ...
Thomas A. Creedon
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Apr 10, 2003
5:50 pm

Since I posted my report, Jake and Bryan have gotten together. So Jake -- please be sure to note this information, I am reading it but not organizing it, since...
Dave Winer
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Apr 10, 2003
7:55 am

... Disable all themes except for the ones after Bryan got CSS religion. i.e. disable all themes except for the Movable Manila series and Candid Blue I think...
Dave Winer
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Apr 10, 2003
8:01 am

... of the fine css themes are really unusable in netscape 4.7 and some othe browsers (really there are users at my district that use these browsers, the ...
Dave Winer
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Apr 10, 2003
8:10 am

OK, I hereby modify my recommendation in light of your Netscape 4 requirement: 1. Since you are working with Bryan and Jake, get them to make Crimson,...
Roland Tanglao
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Apr 10, 2003
5:03 pm

Yes, I like this approach. Our new theme regime will be: 1. CSS only. 2. Works with Netscape. Jake? Dave ... From: Roland Tanglao To:...
Dave Winer
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Apr 10, 2003
5:06 pm

I agree with this approach. A question for Roland: I don't know what the "Candid Blue" theme is. Do you mean some other theme or am I missing something? ...
Jake Savin
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Apr 10, 2003
7:18 pm

Candid Blue is Bryan's latest theme so it's easy to have missed it. Check it out at: [1] http://www.bryanbell.com/2003/03/28#a243 [2]...
Roland Tanglao
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Apr 10, 2003
7:37 pm

Got it. Thanks, -Jake...
Jake Savin
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Apr 10, 2003
7:49 pm

Hi Bryan and Jake: I noticed that all the modern themes (Candid Blue, Swim Fan, Moveable Manila etc) are all 2 column themes. It would be nice to have a CSS...
Roland Tanglao
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Apr 10, 2003
9:16 pm

Since you asked... :-) #1 I tell Netscape 4.7 users to UPGRADE. It's not like it's something you have to pay for, the software is free! (ya I know, people have...
kthomas
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Apr 10, 2003
7:31 pm
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