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#695 From: "griffin239" <bill@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:33 pm
Subject: Aquarius character imager basic
griffin239
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Photopshop can auto divide an image into slices, however it can not
divide 256 boxes, so I had to format my output to first be sliced into
4 boxes of 8 x 8 characters.

Here's the program to poke the characters to the screen
in a 32 columns x 8 rows. A white shell is provided so that the
photoshop image could be cropped exactly at the character space.

Please include this program in the emulators.

REM AQUARIUS ASCII Imager
for x = 1 to 1000: next x
new
1 REM AQUARIUS ASCII Imager
4  poke 12288, 255 :rem create solid border
5 d=12327 : mod = 1024 : B=12288+ mod  : cd=0
12 rows =40 : rem start drawing at line 2
15 poke b,7 : rem a white border
550 for a=0 to 255
560 n=a
1280 columns=columns+1
1285 poke (1+cd+d+columns+rows), a
1290 poke (cd+b+columns+rows+40),7
1350 if columns = 8 then  columns = 0 : rows = rows+40
1440 if rows > 320 then rows = 40: cd=cd+8
2200 next a
3000 if inkey$<>" " then goto 3000
REM Init Here
Colmax = 8
REM  rem bell clear screen
print chr$(7): print chr$(11)
run

#696 From: "griffin239" <bill@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:44 pm
Subject: Mattel Aquarius Running Man Basic Program
griffin239
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The running man program as listed on the group has a syntax error at line 70.

I believe this is a typo reflected in the Quick Start programming cards that
came with the Aquarius. I somehow remember typing it on Christmas morning
in 1983 and fixing that bug.

This program should be in the emulators package too, its historical stuff.

--------------------------------------------------------
5 REM MATTEL AQUARIUS RUNNING MAN
10 print chr$(11)
20 for x=0to38step2
30 a=12328+x+11*40:b=a+40
40 c=a+1:d=c+40
50 poke a,21:poke b,22:gosub110
60 poke a,32:poke b,32
70 poke c,23:poke d,24:gosub110
80 poke c,32:poke d,32
90 next x
100 goto 20
110 for p=1to30:next p:return

--------------------------------------------------------

#697 From: "griffin239" <bill@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:44 pm
Subject: Aquarius Demo Movies
griffin239
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Aquarius Character Imager
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariusimager.mov

The Running Man
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/runningman.mov

The Circles sample program
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariuscircles.mov

Circles with Extended Basic
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariuscircles_extBasic.mov

Should I make a new folder in the group Files and upload all this stuff?


Mr Bill

#698 From: swap_and_shop
Date: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: Aquarius Demo Movies
swap_and_shop
 
Bill.  Thanks for the great Demo movies.

yes.. Please upload these to the files section.   I have created a
folder for you called  Movie Demonstrations. Please put the demos in
there.

Thanks!



Mike the moderator.


-- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "griffin239" <bill@...> wrote:
>
> Aquarius Character Imager
> http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariusimager.mov
>
> The Running Man
> http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/runningman.mov
>
> The Circles sample program
> http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariuscircles.mov
>
> Circles with Extended Basic
>
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/movies/aquariuscircles_extBasic.
mov
>
> Should I make a new folder in the group Files and upload all this
stuff?
>
>
> Mr Bill
>

#699 From: "griffin239" <bill@...>
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:09 pm
Subject: Aquarius Extended Basic Manual
griffin239
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Hello Again Folks,
The Mighty Martin Steenoven has scanned the Aquarius Extended Basic Manual
and I processed those scans lightly (just rotation and cropping) and batched
them
into an indexed web page.

You can view it here:
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/aquariusextendedbasicmanual/

and download here
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/aquariusextendedbasicmanual.zip

I tried to upload to the group but the file that is 4.6megs on my machine
apparently bloats on Yahoo's servers to something greater than 5megs
and it gave me grief for that.

I also processed it to a PDF and that was 14MB, ouch! Here it is.
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/AquariusExtendedBasicManualpdf.zip

If I come up with a solution that can fit on the groups space without making the
pages
unreadable I will post it ASAP.

Does anyone in the group have access to OCR software and would you be willing to
process the scans into text that can be searched and copied? If so I will clean
up the files
for contrast and sharpness, also cropping out the page borders and remove images
and
post that on my server.

Note to Martin: THANKS and the copy I sent yesterday had a typo in the filename.
This new version the typo is fixed and I removed the email address from the
pages.

I hope these pages bring everyone the thrill of 1983 all over again.

Mr Bill

#700 From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: Aquarius Extended Basic Manual
neils_morr
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There's a 4 Mb pdf version of this on
http://rapidshare.com/files/42581107/Aquarius_Extended_Basic.pdf
now. It has text 'under' the page images.

Neil

--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "griffin239" <bill@...> wrote:

> Does anyone in the group have access to OCR software and would you
be > willing to process the scans into text that can be searched and
copied?

#701 From: "griffin239" <bill@...>
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:13 am
Subject: Aquarius Extended Basic Manual PDF!
griffin239
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Thank you Neil! Thats really great and you did it all before I could finish
a two hour nap, brilliant.

I can't get the file uploaded to yahoo,  so if tomorrow there is no
pdf in the documents section could someone retrieve it and try to post.

I've compressed it and dropped on my server here
http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/Aquarius_Extended_Basicpdf.zip

Thanks for everyone's help!

Mr Bill

#702 From: "Neil Morrison" <neilsmorr@...>
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:48 am
Subject: Re: Aquarius Extended Basic Manual PDF!
neils_morr
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It can sit up there on RapidShare. As long as someone downloads it
once every three months (or more) it can stay there forever.

Neil

--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "griffin239" <bill@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Neil! Thats really great and you did it all before I could
finish
> a two hour nap, brilliant.
>
> I can't get the file uploaded to yahoo,  so if tomorrow there is no
> pdf in the documents section could someone retrieve it and try to post.
>
> I've compressed it and dropped on my server here
> http://www.residenteasel.com/aquarius/Aquarius_Extended_Basicpdf.zip
>
> Thanks for everyone's help!
>
> Mr Bill
>

#703 From: mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:15 am
Subject: New file uploaded to mattelaquarius
mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mattelaquarius
group.

   File        : /Documentation/Aquarius_Extended_Basicpdf.zip
   Uploaded by : swap_and_shop
   Description : Extended Basic Manual

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mattelaquarius/files/Documentation/Aquarius_Extend\
ed_Basicpdf.zip

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

swap_and_shop

#704 From: swap_and_shop
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:20 am
Subject: Extended Basic manual is uploaded.
swap_and_shop
 
That was a large file, but I did manage to get it uploaded.  :)

#705 From: mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:29 am
Subject: New file uploaded to mattelaquarius
mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mattelaquarius
group.

   File        : /Aquarius Emulators/AqEmu.zip
   Uploaded by : swap_and_shop
   Description : AqEmu: Aquarius Information Repository

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mattelaquarius/files/Aquarius%20Emulators/AqEmu.zi\
p

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

swap_and_shop

#706 From: "sbtx05" <smbtx@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:25 pm
Subject: Aquarius Items
sbtx05
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Just rediscovered this in the back of my closet! I hadn't opened it in
years.

Aquarius Home Computer - original box and packaging (with power supply
cord, manuals, catalog and misc cord to attach to TV)

Mini-Expander - original box and packaging

Data Recorder - original box and packaging

2 Data Recorder Tapes - looks like one may have been partially used (I
can't remember but I labeled one Side A)

3 Games - all in original boxes - Tron, Utopia and Snafu

Please e mail if interested. I will take the best offer.

#707 From: "Mark" <celicasrule@...>
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:02 am
Subject: Re: AD and D keyboard map?
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--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "hnj0059" <allan_grossman@...>
wrote:
>
> Someone was kind enough to send me the scan.  Thanks, Jim!

Anyone have this keyboard map they could send me please?

#708 From: mvdsteenoven
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: AD and D keyboard map?
mvdsteenoven
 
Hi Mark,

Welcome to the group.

You can find the complete manual for AD&D in the "Files" section of
this group. Check out the folder "Aquarius Cartridge Manuals" within
the "Files". Here you will find a "Dungeons and Dragons.zip".
The keyboard map is described here.

Regs
Martin

--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <celicasrule@...> wrote:
>
> --- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "hnj0059" <allan_grossman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Someone was kind enough to send me the scan.  Thanks, Jim!
>
> Anyone have this keyboard map they could send me please?
>

#709 From: "Stefano Priore" <stefano.priore@...>
Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:13 pm
Subject: Preservation of old dumps
stefanopriore
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Hello group,

It has been mentioned on the MESS emulator message board
(http://mess.org) that exist two revisions of the Aquarius Basic ROM,
the version currently supported by MESS being the newest.

I've also noticed that the character ROM that MESS uses (which
probably is the same used by other Aquarius emulators) is marked as
"bad dump": anyway I'm not able to verify the correctness of this claim.

Being my desire to correct this situation and add support for the
older Basic revision, I ask help to this group: can anybody provide
verified dumps of these ROMs?

It would be interesting, if possible, to have ROM dumps of other
hardware (printer, 4-color plotter, disk drive, etc.) since one of the
goals of MESS is to provide emulation of these devices too: having a
dump available would provide some incentive! ;)

Thank, and ciao

Stefano

#710 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:19 am
Subject: Anyone for Melody Chase?
mattelaquarius
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I don't get to dwell on my beloved Aquarius much these days.  However,
today I took a moment to search Ebay and found an interesting auction,
which ends within 24 hours of this posting.

The auction includes MELODY CHASE.  Since I already have a copy, I
thought I'd bring it to my fellow Aquarius club members' attention.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Unboxed-Mattel-Aquarius-with-6-
carts_W0QQitemZ250195404646QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ
1QQcmdZViewItem

Please report back if you win!

I hope everyone is doing well.

-Jason

#711 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:31 am
Subject: Re: Preservation of old dumps
mattelaquarius
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<stefano.priore@...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,

>
> I've also noticed that the character ROM that MESS uses (which
> probably is the same used by other Aquarius emulators) is marked as
> "bad dump": anyway I'm not able to verify the correctness of this
claim.


Yes, there are some minor problems with the character ROM used in
emulation.  However, as I understand what the emu programmers have
stated, the characters cannot be dumped.  They had to be recreated by
hand, and that is where the errors were introduced.  I can't say so
for
sure.



> It would be interesting, if possible, to have ROM dumps of other
> hardware (printer, 4-color plotter, disk drive, etc.) since one of
the
> goals of MESS is to provide emulation of these devices too: having a
> dump available would provide some incentive! ;)


I don't know how or if ROM dumps are possible for the printers, but I
did dump the ROM for the Quick Disk drive (Using the tools created by
Emucompboy).  You can download it in the "Files" area of this board.


> Thank, and ciao
>
> Stefano
>


Thank you Stefano for your work.  If you can find Emucompboy, he'd
probably be able to answer your questions much beter.

-Jason

#712 From: swap_and_shop
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:40 am
Subject: Re: Preservation of old dumps
swap_and_shop
 
The title of this thread is hysterical!!!!  ;)


--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
wrote:
>
> <stefano.priore@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello group,
>
> >
> > I've also noticed that the character ROM that MESS uses (which
> > probably is the same used by other Aquarius emulators) is marked
as
> > "bad dump": anyway I'm not able to verify the correctness of this
> claim.
>
>
> Yes, there are some minor problems with the character ROM used in
> emulation.  However, as I understand what the emu programmers have
> stated, the characters cannot be dumped.  They had to be recreated
by
> hand, and that is where the errors were introduced.  I can't say so
> for
> sure.
>
>
>
> > It would be interesting, if possible, to have ROM dumps of other
> > hardware (printer, 4-color plotter, disk drive, etc.) since one
of
> the
> > goals of MESS is to provide emulation of these devices too:
having a
> > dump available would provide some incentive! ;)
>
>
> I don't know how or if ROM dumps are possible for the printers, but
I
> did dump the ROM for the Quick Disk drive (Using the tools created
by
> Emucompboy).  You can download it in the "Files" area of this board.
>
>
> > Thank, and ciao
> >
> > Stefano
> >
>
>
> Thank you Stefano for your work.  If you can find Emucompboy, he'd
> probably be able to answer your questions much beter.
>
> -Jason
>

#714 From: emucompboy
Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: Preservation of old dumps
emucompboy
 
Well, you see, the microprocessor in the Aquarius has no access to the
Aquarius character generator ROM. Neither Kenny of AqEmu, nor I,
dumped the character ROM. The
character set our emulators both use was drawn, by hand, by a friend
of
Kenny's.
http://aqemu.classicgaming.gamespy.com/tech.htm
The MESS set, last time I checked, which was some years ago, I admit,
was the same one Kenny and I were using, except someone had further
modified the lowercase "l"

I imagine someone could take apart his Aquarius computer, unsolder the
character ROM, and use a modern EPROM programmer to read it. I've
never had soldering skills, and have been both too busy and too lazy
to
get to it. You know, must see TV.

If you're updating the MESS Aquarius driver, you may want to hook up
the AY-3-8910 sound/joystick chip that's in the expander -- last time
I
checked (which, again, I admit was years ago), the MESS driver didn't
support the expander.

> > > I've also noticed that the character ROM that MESS uses (which
> > > probably is the same used by other Aquarius emulators) is marked
> as
> > > "bad dump": anyway I'm not able to verify the correctness of
this
> > claim.

Speaking of bad dumps, the last time I checked MESS, the BASIC ROM
for the APF Imagination Machine was also bad.  I made a good dump...
don't remember what I did with it though.  LOL.

#715 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:04 pm
Subject: Happy Holidays
mattelaquarius
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Happy Holidays to the Aquarius fans.

My sons asked me what the best Christmas gift I ever received was, and
without hesitation, I answered "my first computer, the Mattel
Aquarius."  They laughed and said "of course!"

They're pretty familiar with the Aquarius, since they've seen my
collection, and played it many times.  The boys have even done some
programming on the machine.

BTW, this came up while my sons used the Aquarius.  I don't know if
I've asked this before, but is it really not possible to print your
LOGO screens?  They must have really been hurting for ROM/RAM space!

#716 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:06 pm
Subject: Virtual Aquarius
mattelaquarius
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James (EmuCompboy),

Your Aq emulator has gotten me through some tough times going through
Aquarius withdrawals during long and frequent occasions where I
cannot have access to my real Aquarius.  Since I've moved to Japan,
my Aquarius has been able to remain safely stowed in the moving box,
because of your emulator. However, since my sons are old enough to
want to get in the game with me, I noticed an issue with the emulator
that forced me to break out the real hardware:

We can't both move our cursors in Utopia at the same time.

I'm using version .72, and I noticed your website still shows that as
the most current.  Is the cursor problem a limitation of the PC
keyboard, or is two player/simultaneous not a feature yet available
in the emulator?

This is not criticism, in the least.  I love your emulator.  I wish
my real Aq screen was that sharp!  Having all the software available
at the push of a button is great, too!

I know you move from project to project as your interests change, but
I'm curious to know if there will be any updates to Virtual Aquarius.

Take care,

Jason

#717 From: swap_and_shop
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:49 am
Subject: Mattel Aquarius YOUTUBE Video.
swap_and_shop
 
In the links section I have created a folder called YOUTUBE.  There is
a great video showing Dungeons and Dragons...

#718 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Mattel Aquarius YOUTUBE Video.
mattelaquarius
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--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, swap_and_shop <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> In the links section I have created a folder called YOUTUBE.  There
is
> a great video showing Dungeons and Dragons...
>



Thanks for the link Swap!  I think we could do some better videos,
too.  (That video that mocks the Aquarius is mildly funny)

#719 From: "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:53 pm
Subject: Project
mattelaquarius
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Well,

It seems that I've come down with a bit of Aquarius fever.  I find
myself digging deep into James' emulator and having fun, as well as
using the real hardware.

As a sort of experimental project, I'm attempting to make and use a
real world budget on FinForm.  I already maintain the family budget
using Excel, and I'm dumbing it down to fit within the confines of
FinForm's abilities.  I'd like to spend a month using the FinForm
working budget as a test of what a true Aquarius user in the 80's
would have experienced.  (I'll also maintain my real Excel budget).
Of
course, I'm doing this on James' emulator, and not the real hardware
because I don't want to put up with the torture of using the data
recorder, and the blue keys.  Perhaps if this experiment works out,
I'll bite the bullet and use the real hardware for a while to REALLY
go retro.

Here's the problem:

I pretty much packed my Aquarius essentials to bring with me to
Japan.  The only notable items left in California storage, are the
1541 adapter and the corresponding 1541 drive.  I also didn't bring
along the QD drive, or AqII either.  Space is limited here in Japan,
even though we live in a larger home relative to the average local
family.  (Also we were understandably limited on the total weight of
household goods we could bring)

In my haste to pack, I forgot to include the FinForm manual.  I do
have the cart, however.  Without the manual I was still able to get
most of the core functions of the budget set up so far.

I figured out how to flag a cell as a formula by starting with a plus
sign +.  Example:  +a1/5  (divide cell a1 by 5)  (Actually, I studied
the FinForm sample in the MarqueeDemo Rom.)

I recall that there are absolutely no function commands in FinForm,
only simple arithmetic operations.  There is no such thing as SUM,
not even %.  I have to do the actual math in formula form.  Oh the
agony!  :-)

I can't figure out how to duplicate the SUM function in Excel.

Example in Excel:

sum(a1:a15)     would add up all cells between a1 and a15)

I attempted to duplicate this in FinForm.  The best I can do is to
add several cells in one formula.

Example in FinForm:

+a1+a2+a3+a4+a5+a6+a7+a8+a9

So, if I have that solution, then why am I asking, you wonder?

Well, the formula can only be about 30 characters long, so I can't
add all the cells I need to get the whole sum.  I'd like to avoid
creating a series of subtotal cells and then combining the results,
particularly since I can't hide those partial sum cells.

I would appreciate if someone could page through their manual to see
if there is a way to perform the sum function equivalent.  Something
hopefully as simple and effective as: +a1:a15     (doesn't work :-)

Maybe you could scan any relevant manual pages?


Thank you!!!

#720 From: mvdsteenoven
Date: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Project
mvdsteenoven
 
Hi Jason,

It is good to hear from you, hope you are still enjoying your stay in
Japan. It is good to know that you still got the Aquarius Fever :-)

> Here's the problem:
>
> I pretty much packed my Aquarius essentials to bring with me to
> Japan.  The only notable items left in California storage, are the
> 1541 adapter and the corresponding 1541 drive.  I also didn't bring
> along the QD drive, or AqII either.


Does FinForm also supports the QD? I didn't knew that!

>
> I would appreciate if someone could page through their manual to see
> if there is a way to perform the sum function equivalent.  Something
> hopefully as simple and effective as: +a1:a15     (doesn't work :-)
>
> Maybe you could scan any relevant manual pages?
>

Finform does support some built-in functions. According to the Finform
manual, page 74:

$SUM   Sums values
$MIN   Finds minimum value in a list or range
$MAX   Finds maximum value in a list or range
$AVG   Averages the values in a list or range
$ABS   Find the absolute value in a list or range
$CNT   Counts the number or nonblank cells in a list or range

The formula is entered as:

+$SUM(A1>A15)


The only arithmetic operators that Finform supports are:
+   -   *    /


There is also a "Snapshot calculation"
?    Entry of this symbol on the edit: line allows you to use your
worksheet as a scratchpad. You can then perform any calculation using
any function or operator without entering results.



>
> Thank you!!!
>

You're welcome.

BTW:
I've also checked the Logo manual for your printer question, but
couldn't find the answer neither. It does seems like printing the
graphics is not support, but I've never done anything with Logo so I
could overlooked something.


Kind regards,
Martin

#721 From: swap_and_shop
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:01 am
Subject: Re: Mattel Aquarius YOUTUBE Video.
swap_and_shop
 
Yes, I saw the other Aquarius Video,-- you are right it was just mildy
amusing, and I decided not to post the link.. HEHE...




--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, swap_and_shop <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > In the links section I have created a folder called YOUTUBE.  There
> is
> > a great video showing Dungeons and Dragons...
> >
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link Swap!  I think we could do some better videos,
> too.  (That video that mocks the Aquarius is mildly funny)
>

#722 From: mattelaquarius
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: Project
mattelaquarius
 
--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, mvdsteenoven <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
>
> Finform does support some built-in functions. According to the
Finform
> manual, page 74:
>
> +$SUM(A1>A15)


Outstanding!  Thank you again Martin!  With your help, I was able to
get the budget up and running.  So far it weighs in at over 4k,
without any of the daily spending transactions entered yet.  It
actually turned out better than I expected.  I'll add a few of the
other functions you listed to spice it up Aquarius style!  Ha, ha.

So far, I feel like FinForm could actually have been used at the home
level in 1984 to manage a family budget.  However, I know that I am
spoiled by the instant saving and loading provided by James'
emulator.  I saved frequently as I progressed in the formating and
setup of the budget spreadsheet.

I'll list some of my notes from the experience so far.  Note, that I
have no frame of reference on how FinForm would have compared to
other spreadsheets available in 1984, so many of the criticisms could
be unfair, if I tend to judge by today's standards.

Negatives:

-All column widths must be set globally.  Obviously, it would be
better if I could set the column widths individually.  For my budget
purposes, 8 digits per column worked best.  Plus, I imagined being
stuck with Aquarius' 40 column printer, so I knew that 5 columns
would fill the page perfectly.  (I love the emulator's LPRINT file
option, to pretend how cool the Aquarius would have been with an 80
column printer.  FinForm would have been much more real-world
friendly.)

-As a result of the combination of my global column width set to 8,
my budget cannot display numbers over 9999.99 on screen.  (Don't
forget the first character of a value cell is reserved for the
negative sign -.  And although the larger numbers are not visible on
screen, they are still calculated properly.  The values can be viewed
by moving the cursor over the cell. ) This made me dumb my budget
down from my Excel version a bit more.  In Excel, I plan the spending
for the month, track each day's expenses, as they are subtracted from
the allocated category amounts, and then also track my total liquid
asset savings as money is transferred into savings.  Since I can't
show a number over 9999.99, I omitted tracking my total bank savings
from the spreadsheet.  It still serves its main function as a budget
spreadsheet, however.  I may add the savings functions later, and
just set the precision of the large total cells to zero, so decimal
places will be eliminated.

-Cell references in formulas are not updated if rows or columns are
added/deleted.  The same goes for copied cells.  That requires a lot
of manual editing of formulas, and could have been frustrating using
the real keyboard.

-Field of vision is very limited.  On screen, the user can only see a
very tiny portion of the whole spreadsheet.  The command box takes
about a third of the screen!  A real waste of space.  There should
have been a key combination to temporarily hide the command box at
the bottom, to allow scrolling and viewing more of the spreadsheet.

-I found a harmless bug.  First of all, it's silly to set the global
column width at the maximum 36 spaces-it covers the whole screen, but
I did it anyway! :-)  If you set the width to 36 and then load in a
file, (presumably with a smaller width setting) entire row where the
cursor was left is still highlited green with the cursor color.
Moving over the green spaces returns them to normal.

Positives:

-Aquarius actually had a spreadsheet program!

-It actually works!  (albeit simply)

-Text justifications, and value precisions can be set individually
for each cell.

-A relatively large workspace available.  63 columns and 255 rows, is
actually impressive, and probably overkill for our little blue-keyed
buddy.  Even filling only one digit per cell would fill the RAM in a
16k expanded machine!  (I know spreadsheets don't generally have
EVERY cell filled).


> Does FinForm also supports the QD? I didn't know that!
>

I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to imply that it does.  FinForm does not
support the QD, as far as I am aware.  That would have been great,
though!

This reminds me, does anyone know what Harrold Spier's "Extended
Fileform" rom does?   The key click sound was a nice touch, and would
have been a great help with Aquarius' mushy keyboard back in the
80's.  However, I can't find much other differences.  I notice a
couple changes in the help menu such as:  ^Q  and ^K, but they don't
appear to actually function in the program.  Strange.  Do they work
on the real hardware?

While I'm thinking about it, the help screens in FileForm (^P) are
actually helpful.  There was only one glaring omission.  They
could've listed the method for marking a block of text with three
pound signs ###. (for copy and paste functions) That was really the
only thing I couldn't figure out how to do without "referring to the
manual."



> BTW:
> I've also checked the Logo manual for your printer question, but
> couldn't find the answer neither. It does seems like printing the
> graphics is not support, but I've never done anything with Logo so I
> could overlooked something.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Martin
>


I appreciate the confirmation, Martin.  I was able to find my LOGO
manual today, and it seems to support what you have said.  LOGO, a
language designed for creating graphic representations to teach
procedure based programming principles, has no way to print a hard
copy.  There's no way to "harvest the fruits" so to speak.  LOGO was
supposed to give "instant results" to encourage the young
programmer.  I don't blame the programmers, they were obviously
strapped for ROM space judging by the sacrifice of the trademark
Mattel title screen.  It's too bad Mattel didn't bump up the ROM size
and/or require a RAM expansion to use LOGO (like FinForm).

What could have been...

-Jason

#723 From: mattelaquarius
Date: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:18 am
Subject: FinForm Programmer cheat?
mattelaquarius
 
Question to those who know of programming and such:

Could the reason for the obnoxiously large command box at the bottom
third of the FinForm screen, be a programmer's cheat to mitigate the
scroll lag?  It seems that when I have a spreadsheet with a lot of
data, the screen scrolls a bit clunkier than when the cells are blank.
This may be an incorrect perception induced by the flashing text as the
screen scrolls.  If FinForm had a more practical sized command box like
LOGO's, is it possible that the increased visible cells would have
exacerbated the scroll lag, and that is why the programmer masked an
entire third of the screen?

There's no other plausible reason for the ostensibly poor design
choice, IMHO.

#724 From: emucompboy
Date: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:47 am
Subject: Re: Virtual Aquarius
emucompboy
 
Interesting.
a) Check the keyboard options, and set it to "emulated" instead
of "sensible."
b) Have you tried two joypads?

I don't remember what I was doing last time I updated the emulator
archive...  I don't remember if I even made the change to use the hat
as the joystick, LOL.

If all else fails, post here what keys are used to move the cursors,
and I'll have a look at it, unless I'm too lazy to dig up the hard
drive on which I kept the emulators.

--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <mattelaquarius@...>
wrote:
> We can't both move our cursors in Utopia at the same time.

#725 From: mattelaquarius
Date: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:44 am
Subject: Re: Virtual Aquarius
mattelaquarius
 
--- In mattelaquarius@yahoogroups.com, emucompboy <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
> a) Check the keyboard options, and set it to "emulated" instead
> of "sensible."


That did the trick!  I didn't think to try that.  That also cured the
other problem I was having in AstroSmash, with no hyperspace.  Thanks
James.


> If all else fails, post here what keys are used to move the cursors,
> and I'll have a look at it, unless I'm too lazy to dig up the hard
> drive on which I kept the emulators.

Yah, about that, I'm going to need you to go ahead and dig out those
hard drives, and start updating on Saturday.  James, you can't get us
addicted to crack, and then cut off the supply! ;-)

If there are any items in your "to do" list that I could assist with,
let me know.  I noticed things like doc scanning, etc. (Of course, with
no expectation or desire of any compensation.  Seeing the finished
product is more than enough).

You're due to start charging for this useful emulator, once you're
finished.

I noticed one tiny item to add to the to-do list, after you told to
check the keyboard settings.  If you click a specific key to assign,
you will see the residual message from your other emulator: "Double
click MC-10 key".

I know what it's like to be lazy about things, and especially about
abandoned projects.  Virtual Aquarius in its present form is already a
boon to Aquarius fans, but any work you can get yourself motivated to
do, will be greatly appreciated.  I've promised in the past not to
harrass you, so I won't.  ;-)

-Jason

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