I encourage us to write about our life dreams.  What would we like to do
with our lives?  What role would we like to play? How would we like to live?

Today I chatted with Josephat Ndibalema of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania who I
think has been key in the success of the Uyoga youth association.

"I dream to become a human rights advocate, and most of my activities
(creating wiki pages) at MinciuSodas is focusing on the subject. I
believe that right to education is an enabling right. And also believe
that most people, especially the poor,  they easily learn and understand
when taught in their local language. I dream to promote Kiswahili
language use, not only in Tanzania but also in other countries in the
east and central africa. We can use Kiswahili wiki in swahili speaking
countries, to share ideas in Kiswahili language."

Joseph's interest prompted me to fix our Kiswahili wiki which now works
at http://www.worknets.org/sw/  and we're invited to help translate the
Open Knowledge Definition
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OpenKnowledgeDefinition/Kiswahili

Joseph asks, May be it will be a good idea to share about Decide what
information should of priority when developing the *Kiswahili* wiki, we
can arrange some chat on this endeavour.

I found a note below from Patrick Bunyali Kamoyani about his Kiswahili
booklets on food security http://swahili.food-security.info

Samwel, would it be helpful to collect and/or create Kiswahili learning
materials about sustainable agriculture?

We could also try to publish such materials as JPG files or MPG movies
which could be watched (and read) on DVD players or mobile phones.
Ricardo and I are working on such a possibility
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OnlineTextConverter   Today I tried to
install ImageMagick on our server but I ran into a problem with a
dependency on a package.

Pamela, perhaps at your Thursday chat (13:00 London , 15:00 Nairobi
http://www.worknets.org/chat/) we could chat about our Dreams and
Endeavors and how we might link them as we work on them.  And also I
would gladly train us all how to help with our Tasks
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks and we can add more to that list,
whatever is helpful for us.  I'm training us how to do these tasks, and
training the trainers, so that you can also be ready to join us the next
time we get paid work for our teams.  If you help with our tasks, then
we'll help your dreams, too!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003


Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:04:33 UTC PatrickBunyaliKamoyani: Dear Andrius, I
must say I am happy to learn of your great work and assistance.  I am a
Kenyan and we have really experienced rough time the previous three
weeks after the results of a flawed election.  At least there is some
calm where I come from (Maragoli) but neighbouring districts of Nandi
and Kisumu are still tense.  I have now resumed my work, I translate
booklets on Agriculture and General foodsecurity.  The documents are
freely downloadable from a website hosted by a friend in U.K.  You may
visit it www.food-security.info or the swahili window
swahili.food-security.info  Once more thank you for enabling me get
airtime for my phone when we really needed it.  with kind regards,
P.B Kamoyani

I salute you Josephat and Tom Ochuka,
As i go deeper into our long lasting network in East Africa, i will
automatically agree that local language can adverse reach a wider population,
when we are thinking on sustainability in agriculture and tourism.
I visited Mina academy and immense thanks to Mina for saying'when you leave in a
blue, green, black environment you think the same but when think of more
colours, you don't become colour blind as liguists says' can you and Tom Ochuka
tune the thinking of local language. Make it Kiswahili instead of Swahili.
I will be Kisumu probaly next week or so, to stay with Tom, he had hinted a wiki
for Luo before when thinking sustainability and tourism, we don't want comic
focuses.
I will enforce my abillity on you two, before i find the real up to thoughts in
Uganda.
Make it Kiswahilli and Luo!
Samwel..

Hi Josephat and Samwel

I want to congratulate you too Josephat on working to promote local languages. I think Samwel and I talked about it in chats a little, ages ago.

Local language versions of Wikipedia

I noticed that there's a Kiswahili version of Wikipedia. In theory, anyone can add articles too it, but in practice, it's usually university professors or people from large companies that add articles. Any contributor needs to meet the requirements that articles are...

True, accurate, impartial, written from a 'Neutral point of view', etc. These are very important, for topics like history, where different sides in a war have very different views about famous leaders, generals, etc, avoiding emotive terms like 'hero'.

Another important issue is 'Who owns the copyright of article, if it's a copy of an existing article from an encyclopedia, book, etc?'. Wikipedia authors can only post articles or large extracts with the original author/copyright-holder's permission.

You also need to add 'citations' to say where the information comes from. You can't just make an unproven statement in a Wikipedia article, like 'The battle of hastings was in 1066', without any sources.

(Kiswahili is the name of the language. It's a common lingua-franca in east africa)

Kiswahili has millions of speakers in East Africa, so you can see why it has a Wikipedia version already. I looked at Dholuo, the language of the Luo people in Samwel's area, but there is no Dholuo Wikipedia yet. That's a pity, as it would help local people. Once one person has started a  Wikipedia version, it can grow rapidly over time. The Wikipedia website has details of how to apply to start a new version in another language.

On the main Wikipedia home page, there's a link to 'Many other languages' (list of Wikipedia languages, with number of articles per language)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias

This page is for 'Request for New Languages'. Maybe you know someone in Tanzania (Josephat) or Kenya (Samwel), who would be interested in starting Wikipedias for local languages.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy

Searching for local language pages

Another issue is 'How do you find web-pages in Kiswahili etc on the internet'. Web-pages are supposed to contain hidden information in the Header section of the HTML file, that tells browsers and search-engines what language the page is written in. A 2 character language code is used, such as 'en' English, 'fr' French and 'sw' Swahili.

In an ideal world, everyone who writes Kiswahili web-pages would correctly set the language to Swahili in their Web-Page Editor (Microsoft Frontpage, etc), and the hidden information would be saved in the file, identifying it to search-engines as Swahili/Kiswahili.

In practice, many authors don't know about this or don't care, and they leave the language set to 'en' English, even though the article is in Kiswahili. The page is wrongly identified to search-engines, so if you ask the search-engine to find Swahili/Kiswahili pages only, it doesn't find them.

So, if you create any Kiswahili web-pages, I suggest that you set the language correctly in the web-editor and teach other people to do that.

Some people have correctly set the language to Swahili/Kiswahili, so it's possible to use a search engine to search for words, and limit the results to Swahili/Kiswahili pages. However, you need a few tricks to make Google etc do that search.

If you wanted to search for the word 'Nairobi' and only return pages in Swahili, in theory, you should be able to go to Google, click on 'Advanced Search', enter 'Nairobi' as a search word, select '[Swahili' from a drop-down list of languages, then click Go. But, there's a problem. Swahili isn't in the list of languages

Ricardo. It only has major European languages like French, Spanish, etc, and Japanese, etc). So what I did is to enter 'Nairobi', select French and click Go. On the results page, I then went to the URL/Web-address and in 'lang_fr', replaced 'fr' for French with 'sw' for Swahili. That worked fine, and I got articles about Nairobi, written in Kiswahili (those pages set correctly to Kiswahili/Swahili language by the author).

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=nairobi&meta=lr%3Dlang_sw

If we search around, maybe there are other search-engines with longer lists of languages, including Swahili/Kiswahili.

To find any 2-letter language code, look up the language in the English Wikipedia, and a box on the right of the article has the 2-letter or 3-letter language code, 'sw', 'luo', etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiswahili

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dholuo

I hope this gives you and other people you know at least one way to find more local content on the web. I wish it was a bit easier.

Ricardo

--- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, Samwel Kongere <jambita1@...> wrote:
>
> I salute you Josephat and Tom Ochuka,
> As i go deeper into our long lasting network in East Africa, i will automatically agree that local language can adverse reach a wider population, when we are thinking on sustainability in agriculture and tourism.
> I visited Mina academy and immense thanks to Mina for saying'when you leave in a blue, green, black environment you think the same but when think of more colours, you don't become colour blind as liguists says' can you and Tom Ochuka tune the thinking of local language. Make it Kiswahili instead of Swahili.
> I will be Kisumu probaly next week or so, to stay with Tom, he had hinted a wiki for Luo before when thinking sustainability and tourism, we don't want comic focuses.
> I will enforce my abillity on you two, before i find the real up to thoughts in Uganda.
> Make it Kiswahilli and Luo!
> Samwel..
>

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:55 AM, ricardoolpc<ricardoolpc@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Josephat and Samwel

Hujambo.

I was in the first lugha ya kiSwahili class taught at a US high
school. It was not in the curriculum, but we did have a professional
teacher.

> I want to congratulate you too Josephat on working to promote local
> languages. I think Samwel and I talked about it in chats a little, ages ago.

I have been thinking for many years about how we can preserve more
than 6,000 languages. See ethnologue.org for further details on
documented languages.

> Local language versions of Wikipedia
>
> I noticed that there's a Kiswahili version of Wikipedia.

№  ↓ Language  ↓  Language (local)  ↓  Wiki  ↓  Articles  ↓  Total 
↓
	 Edits  ↓
76  Swahili  Kiswahili  sw  13,213  27,376  293,526

Admins  ↓  Users  ↓  Images  ↓  Depth

10  3,483  1,017  12

Karibu kwenye Wikipedia,
kamusi elezo huru, kila mtu anaweza kuihariri!
Hadi leo tuna makala takriban 13,215 kwa Kiswahili

     * Sanaa
     * Ujenzi
     * Lugha
     * Historia
     * Jiografia
     * Sayansi
     * Jumuia
     * Teknolojia

> In theory, anyone
> can add articles too it, but in practice, it's usually university professors
> or people from large companies that add articles.

That turns out not to be the case. Anybody with knowledge and interest
can and does add to Wikipedia or correct it. Schoolchildren can add
and edit articles with a little guidance. It makes for much better
homework than throwaway reports. At the beginninng, children can be
assigned to look up facts and sources, which they can put together as
a group. As their skills increase, they can be put to improving
articles on their own (with editorial review by a teacher or another
student), and then to writing and translating articles.

> Any contributor needs to
> meet the requirements that articles are...
>
> True, accurate,

We can't actually require that about history, science, and many other
topic areas. The best we can do is to use the best available sources,
and refer readers to them for the details. Even a quotation from a
book or newspaper cannot be guaranteed to be the words of the speaker.

> impartial, written from a 'Neutral point of view', etc.
> These are very important, for topics like history, where different sides in
> a war have very different views about famous leaders, generals, etc,
> avoiding emotive terms like 'hero'.

The discussions can get tangled, but the guidelines are clear. Opinion
should be reported as such, and agreed facts should be reported as
such. Where there is significant disagreement, it is proper to report
the claims and arguments of each side, with source references.

> Another important issue is 'Who owns the copyright of article, if it's a
> copy of an existing article from an encyclopedia, book, etc?'. Wikipedia
> authors can only post articles or large extracts with the original
> author/copyright-holder's permission.

Articles or large extracts go in WikiSource (if you have permission),
not Wikipedia.

> You also need to add 'citations' to say where the information comes from.
> You can't just make an unproven statement in a Wikipedia article, like 'The
> battle of hastings was in 1066', without any sources.

A better example would be "Jesus of Nazareth was born no later than
6-4 BC, according to most scholars."
Vermes, Géza (2006-11-02). The Nativity: History and Legend. Penguin
Books Ltd. p. 19. ISBN 0-14-102446-1.

See, for comparison,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus#Year_of_birth and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus#Date_of_birth

Yes, you need to learn how to create references.<ref>Citing Sources on
Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources</ref>

> (Kiswahili is the name of the language. It's a common lingua-franca in east
> africa)
>
> Kiswahili has millions of speakers in East Africa,

ISO 639-3: swh
Population   350,000 in Tanzania (2006). 313,200 monolinguals.
Population total all countries: 787,630.
Region   Zanzibar, coastal areas. Also in Burundi, Canada, Kenya,
Libya, Mayotte, Mozambique, Oman, Rwanda, Somalia, South Africa,
Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United States.

Language use    Official language. 30,000,000 rural people are L2
users; they use the local language for most activities, but Swahili
[swh] with outsiders. It is also common for people of numerous ethnic
groups besides Swahili who grow up in certain towns to speak Swahili
as L1.

http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=swh

> so you can see why it has
> a Wikipedia version already. I looked at Dholuo, the language of the Luo
> people in Samwel's area, but there is no Dholuo Wikipedia yet. That's a
> pity, as it would help local people. Once one person has started a
> Wikipedia version, it can grow rapidly over time. The Wikipedia website has
> details of how to apply to start a new version in another language.
>
> On the main Wikipedia home page, there's a link to 'Many other languages'
> (list of Wikipedia languages, with number of articles per language)...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
>
> This page is for 'Request for New Languages'. Maybe you know someone in
> Tanzania (Josephat) or Kenya (Samwel), who would be interested in starting
> Wikipedias for local languages.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy
>
> Searching for local language pages
>
> Another issue is 'How do you find web-pages in Kiswahili etc on the
> internet'. Web-pages are supposed to contain hidden information in the
> Header section of the HTML file, that tells browsers and search-engines what
> language the page is written in. A 2 character language code is used, such
> as 'en' English, 'fr' French and 'sw' Swahili.
>
> In an ideal world, everyone who writes Kiswahili web-pages would correctly
> set the language to Swahili in their Web-Page Editor (Microsoft Frontpage,
> etc), and the hidden information would be saved in the file, identifying it
> to search-engines as Swahili/Kiswahili.
>
> In practice, many authors don't know about this or don't care, and they
> leave the language set to 'en' English, even though the article is in
> Kiswahili. The page is wrongly identified to search-engines, so if you ask
> the search-engine to find Swahili/Kiswahili pages only, it doesn't find
> them.
>
> So, if you create any Kiswahili web-pages, I suggest that you set the
> language correctly in the web-editor and teach other people to do that.
>
> Some people have correctly set the language to Swahili/Kiswahili, so it's
> possible to use a search engine to search for words, and limit the results
> to Swahili/Kiswahili pages. However, you need a few tricks to make Google
> etc do that search.
>
> If you wanted to search for the word 'Nairobi' and only return pages in
> Swahili, in theory, you should be able to go to Google, click on 'Advanced
> Search', enter 'Nairobi' as a search word, select '[Swahili' from a
> drop-down list of languages, then click Go. But, there's a problem. Swahili
> isn't in the list of languages
>
> Ricardo. It only has major European languages like French, Spanish, etc, and
> Japanese, etc). So what I did is to enter 'Nairobi', select French and click
> Go. On the results page, I then went to the URL/Web-address and in
> 'lang_fr', replaced 'fr' for French with 'sw' for Swahili. That worked fine,
> and I got articles about Nairobi, written in Kiswahili (those pages set
> correctly to Kiswahili/Swahili language by the author).
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=nairobi&meta=lr%3Dlang_sw
>
> If we search around, maybe there are other search-engines with longer lists
> of languages, including Swahili/Kiswahili.
>
> To find any 2-letter language code, look up the language in the English
> Wikipedia, and a box on the right of the article has the 2-letter or
> 3-letter language code, 'sw', 'luo', etc.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiswahili
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dholuo
>
> I hope this gives you and other people you know at least one way to find
> more local content on the web. I wish it was a bit easier.
>
> Ricardo
>
> --- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, Samwel Kongere <jambita1@...> wrote:
>>
>> I salute you Josephat and Tom Ochuka,
>> As i go deeper into our long lasting network in East Africa, i will
>> automatically agree that local language can adverse reach a wider
>> population, when we are thinking on sustainability in agriculture and
>> tourism.
>> I visited Mina academy and immense thanks to Mina for saying'when you
>> leave in a blue, green, black environment you think the same but when think
>> of more colours, you don't become colour blind as liguists says' can you and
>> Tom Ochuka tune the thinking of local language. Make it Kiswahili instead of
>> Swahili.
>> I will be Kisumu probaly next week or so, to stay with Tom, he had hinted
>> a wiki for Luo before when thinking sustainability and tourism, we don't
>> want comic focuses.
>> I will enforce my abillity on you two, before i find the real up to
>> thoughts in Uganda.
>> Make it Kiswahilli and Luo!
>> Samwel..
>>
>
>
>



--
Edward Mokurai
(默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر
ج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://earthtreasury.org/

It is quite unlikely that this spammer got Ken's password. It is
unfortunately extremely easy to lie to mail software about where
e-mails are coming from. I constantly get spam that says it came from
me.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:11 AM, ricardoolpc<ricardoolpc@...> wrote:
> Hi
>  I received this begging scam email from Ken's email address too.

In the anti-pam world, where I spent several years as President of
CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org/), this is known as a Joe Job, after the
name of the first known victim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job

> I've sent an SMS to Ken to alert him to this. I've asked him to
> change his email password in case a hacker/scammer has found out his
> password, and to take some other precautions.
>
> Until Ken confirms he has changed his password, please don't send
> any emails to him with sensitive info like names and addresses or
> emails that reveal other people's email addresses on the To or CC
> lines.
>
> Email systems aren't very secure, so it's actually possible to send
> an email using any email address, if you know it. So possibly, the
> scammer may not know Ken's password.

Almost certain.

> Has anyone discussed it with Ken yet, to make sure he knows?
>
> Ricardo
>
> --- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, Samwel Kongere <jambita1@...> wrote:
>>
>> Actually,
>> This is another scam, we were not informed of any
>> travel of Ken Chelimo, we are networked. I believe
>> this a scammer again.
>> ignore it.
>> Samwel.
>> --- Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, This is a scam.  We have seen these before.
>> > Please ignore.
>> > Andrius Kulikauskas
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > How are you doing? i had sent you an email earlier
>> > today,please i need
>> > > your urgent assistance, I had traveled to England
>> > for a Vacation ,
>> > > Unfortunately for me all my money was stolen with
>> > other items at the hotel
>> > > where i lodged and i cannot call all my contacts
>> > because i lost my phone
>> > > where  phone numbers were kept ,nobody even know
>> > where i am now, I am so
>> > > confused right now, I don't know what to do or
>> > where to go,I have access
>> > > to only emails, No phone
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?
> sm=5VvLrzLaXHc0i_2bh5XdOTxA_3d_3d
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> A Focus is being made on having a wireless internet connection for the
> community to help them have a place for information handling and
> transfer. There is motive of taking risks to help the community Develop.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Edward Mokurai
(默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر
ج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://earthtreasury.org/

Ralf,
That's great news.
I've made a link to the ProWiki code that I'm using:
http://www.worknets.org/software/20090907wiki.txt
Please can you compare it with the DorfWiki version? and perhaps combine
them?

I would start a SourceForge project (perhaps called WorkNets) which
could include our ProWiki code and also additional scripts that I am
using and creating.  What do you think?
Can we talk this week about next steps?  What time?

I also looked at http://www.globalvillage.at   Franz, that helps to
understand your vision.  It would be good to coordinate regarding that, too.

Also, Ricardo and I are making good progress on the Online Text
Converter.  It is working pretty well at
http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/  It converts plain text into a
series of JPG images for view on a DVD player or other device.  Josephat
Ndibalema is interested in publishing learning materials in Kiswahili
and others in Africa are interested, too. See also:
http:///www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OnlineTextConverter   It would be good
to think what kind of materials we should start to publish.  Josephat,
is Thursday a good day to chat?  Is 16:00 Kenya time possible?  Ricardo,
Samwel, Tom, could you join us?

I'm also interested to get our "photo blogs" going quickly so that we
have streams of photos and captions from our different locations.  I
have built an uploader http://www.worknets.org/software/addphoto.php
and you can see our photos http://www.ms.lt/?source=Photos so it's
mostly a matter of formatting them nicely per person.

I'm very glad that Edward Cherlin http://www.earthtreasury.org and Franz
Nahrada http://www.globalvillages.info are active at our subwikis.  I
invite us to join me at our chat room http://www.worknets.org/chat/ and
train with me how to help Edward, Franz and others online.  I'm
interested to build up our Help Room team with our Economy of Dreams
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams and
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks   Please let me know what would
be helpful!

More thoughts or priorities?

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


Ralf Schlatterbeck wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:51:09AM +0300, Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:
>
>> We're starting a Worknets Interface Architecture Committee.  Franz
>> Nahrada and I spoke today.  Two weeks ago, I also spoke with Franz's
>> friend Ralf Schlatterbeck.  We'll be meeting online every two weeks or
>> so to coordinate our efforts and resources for developing our websites.
>> I invite you to join us as you can, either on a regular basis or with
>> ideas as they come up.
>>
>> I invite our help as we develop our websites.  I think we'll get much
>> done by the end of the year!
>>
>
> Hello Andrius, hello all others interested in ProWiki
>
> I've just looked at the various versions of ProWiki installed on various
> servers.
>
> - ProWiki last Open Source version on Sourceforge:
>   Revision: 2.0.045
>   This is also the version we're currently running at globalvillage.at
> - ProWiki installed on dorfwiki.org:
>   Revision: 2.0.049
> - ProWiki installed on www.worknets.org
>   Revision: 2.0.046
>
> You can find out the version by appending "?action=version" to the
> wiki-Link (ending in wiki.cgi).
>
> So I suggest we work from 046 and check what features we're missing that
> are used in dorfwiki.org (this is 3 versions from the one worknets is
> using).
>
> Franz: Where there any changes to dorfwiki for specific features that
> you're aware of?
>
> Ralf
>

Please do not send large attachments to this list. It is impolite, and
in any case they are stripped off, and we don't get them. Please
upload them somewhere, such as Flickr for photos, and send us the URL.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Norman<nakhokhoe@...> wrote:
> You have been sent 196 pictures.
>
>
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http://earthtreasury.org/

Dear all,

I conguratulate you all for the great work of sharing knowledge.
Andrius,on Thursday at 16:00 is a good time for a chat i 'll be available, also
i encourage others to join us as Andrius has insisted

Ricardo thanks from your comments and extended view on my endevour of promoting
Kiswahili language by making learning materials available in Kiswahili language;
the kind of links you provided are useful and will help learn more.

Edward Cherlin thanks for you contribution on this idea, this can also apply to
children learning materials translated in their native language, it is good to
hear from you.It ''ll be interesting if  Samuel you can join us on Thursday
16:00 east-african-time.



Thanks

Josephat Thobias Ndibalema


--- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
>
> Ralf,
> That's great news.
> I've made a link to the ProWiki code that I'm using:
> http://www.worknets.org/software/20090907wiki.txt
> Please can you compare it with the DorfWiki version? and perhaps combine
> them?
>
> I would start a SourceForge project (perhaps called WorkNets) which
> could include our ProWiki code and also additional scripts that I am
> using and creating.  What do you think?
> Can we talk this week about next steps?  What time?
>
> I also looked at http://www.globalvillage.at   Franz, that helps to
> understand your vision.  It would be good to coordinate regarding that, too.
>
> Also, Ricardo and I are making good progress on the Online Text
> Converter.  It is working pretty well at
> http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/  It converts plain text into a
> series of JPG images for view on a DVD player or other device.  Josephat
> Ndibalema is interested in publishing learning materials in Kiswahili
> and others in Africa are interested, too. See also:
> http:///www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OnlineTextConverter   It would be good
> to think what kind of materials we should start to publish.  Josephat,
> is Thursday a good day to chat?  Is 16:00 Kenya time possible?  Ricardo,
> Samwel, Tom, could you join us?
>
> I'm also interested to get our "photo blogs" going quickly so that we
> have streams of photos and captions from our different locations.  I
> have built an uploader http://www.worknets.org/software/addphoto.php
> and you can see our photos http://www.ms.lt/?source=Photos so it's
> mostly a matter of formatting them nicely per person.
>
> I'm very glad that Edward Cherlin http://www.earthtreasury.org and Franz
> Nahrada http://www.globalvillages.info are active at our subwikis.  I
> invite us to join me at our chat room http://www.worknets.org/chat/ and
> train with me how to help Edward, Franz and others online.  I'm
> interested to build up our Help Room team with our Economy of Dreams
> http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams and
> http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks   Please let me know what would
> be helpful!
>
> More thoughts or priorities?
>
> Andrius
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas
> Minciu Sodas
> http://www.ms.lt
> ms@...
>
>
> Ralf Schlatterbeck wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:51:09AM +0300, Andrius Kulikauskas wrote:
> >
> >> We're starting a Worknets Interface Architecture Committee.  Franz
> >> Nahrada and I spoke today.  Two weeks ago, I also spoke with Franz's
> >> friend Ralf Schlatterbeck.  We'll be meeting online every two weeks or
> >> so to coordinate our efforts and resources for developing our websites.
> >> I invite you to join us as you can, either on a regular basis or with
> >> ideas as they come up.
> >>
> >> I invite our help as we develop our websites.  I think we'll get much
> >> done by the end of the year!
> >>
> >
> > Hello Andrius, hello all others interested in ProWiki
> >
> > I've just looked at the various versions of ProWiki installed on various
> > servers.
> >
> > - ProWiki last Open Source version on Sourceforge:
> >   Revision: 2.0.045
> >   This is also the version we're currently running at globalvillage.at
> > - ProWiki installed on dorfwiki.org:
> >   Revision: 2.0.049
> > - ProWiki installed on www.worknets.org
> >   Revision: 2.0.046
> >
> > You can find out the version by appending "?action=version" to the
> > wiki-Link (ending in wiki.cgi).
> >
> > So I suggest we work from 046 and check what features we're missing that
> > are used in dorfwiki.org (this is 3 versions from the one worknets is
> > using).
> >
> > Franz: Where there any changes to dorfwiki for specific features that
> > you're aware of?
> >
> > Ralf
> >
>

Ananya, Thank you for participating at Edward Cherlin's working group
Earth Treasury
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/earthtreasury/
and I'm very glad that you met George Christian Jeyaraj, he is one of
the first members of Minciu Sodas, more than 10 years now!  He is a
Tamil from Sri Lanka but now in Lithuania.  He speaks Lithuanian quite
well ("labai gerai")!  George also knows some programming.

Perhaps you can help us? I invite you to join our chat this Thursday,
September 10 at 16:00 East African time and Lithuania time, 14:00 London
time, 6:00 California time.  We'll be talking about our Online Text
Converter (please try it out with a Hindi text!)
http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/  which creates JPG images that
can be viewed with a DVD player.  And we'll be thinking how to publish
learning materials in local languages such as Kiswahli (but Indian
languages as well), all kinds of uses including business opportunities.
George and all, you can look at my program
http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/source.php  (look at the "page
source" with your browser.)  Perhaps you can help with programming? or
other projects, see also: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks

Ananya and all, a great way to be included is to write any of our groups
about:
* your deepest value in life , which includes all of your other values
(examples at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values
* a question that you don't know the answer to, but wish to answer
* what would you like to achieve?
(examples at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
* your dream in life, what you would like to do with your life
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams

And I've created a wiki page for you at:
http://www.earthtreasury.org/wiki.cgi?AnanyaSGuha

How do you understand "global villages"?

Thank you, Ananya and George!

I include your chat below.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


AnanyaSGuha: /room English :: I am fascinated by earth treaury, although
new to it. I am from India, and would like to spread the message of
global village networks.

George: Hi namasthe :: hi Andrius Are you Here?

AnanyaSGuha: Namaste!

George: where do you from? I'm from lithuania

AnanyaSGuha: I am from India.

George: from which city? :: Nice to meet you

AnanyaSGuha: It is called Shillong, in India's North East. Nice to meet
you too. :: I want to know how I can globally connect with the rest. I
am an educationist engaged in vocational education and training. :: Is
Andrius around?

George: yes you can , also I intersted in

AnanyaSGuha: That's great. What do you do? - teacher, student?

George: I think he will come soon , Long time I had'nt internet yes
today I get connected

AnanyaSGuha: Oh good. :: How do you think the internet has changed you?

George: I'm working in one firm , I was a telecom technician , also I
was a social worker in school

AnanyaSGuha: That's nice. I am sure you are continuing with social work?

George: some how i have lot of friends also , I could work with them
like Andrius do ,

AnanyaSGuha: I think you must do that.

George: yes i like it , but I have'nt lot of free times , only after my
work :: yes That's great , qhat you think we colud work together?

AnanyaSGuha: That doesn't matter... you can still do it, or you can do
it as part of your work.

George: sorry what you think we could work together? :: yes right

AnanyaSGuha: Education for example- I could help students with English,
writing etc... :: You could direct me to some students, maybe, students
who need help... :: And we could work together.

George: I was thinking , here i had some friends who studying hini
language , I think you could teach on line ?

AnanyaSGuha: Yes, I could do that. :: We have to partner and, work together.

George: ok i will try to find them have uou email?

AnanyaSGuha: My email id is: nnyguha48 AT gmail.com Please note.

George: yes i think it it intersting , i think we can meet in chat room
in the evening like today

AnanyaSGuha: We could even bring students to this forum. :: Yes, we
could meet in the chat room. We can fix days. Please note my email id,
which I have given to you.

George: yes

AnanyaSGuha: Thanks.

George: you are from which state in India? :: i had a friend from lakno

AnanyaSGuha: It is called Meghalaya. Please find out from Google... ::
Yes, I know Lucknow.

George: yes ok

AnanyaSGuha: What is his name?

George: I think you from the hill county side?

AnanyaSGuha: Yes, you are very right!

George: O that 's a beauty full place

AnanyaSGuha: Yes, it is beautiful.

George: I just came to chat with Adrius but he is not at the movement

AnanyaSGuha: Doesn't matter. You are chatting all the same- do you want
to leave?

George: i have to go to dinner sorry later tomorrow see you again..

AnanyaSGuha: See you. Take care. Don't forget about the English project
and my email id. OK?

George: ok , see you bye..

AnanyaSGuha: Bye.

George: have good night

AnanyaSGuha: Good night.

Hi Andrius

this is just to let you know I'll be at the Thursday 10th Sept Worknets chat, where we can chat about the Text Converter, etc.

If you haven't seen it already, could you look at...

"Text Converter way forward - Using epub as the input format"

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/learnhowtolearn/message/594

Here's a summary...

If we start with plain-text, then I think we will always be struggling to get the  output looking right.

I think we need to start with a format that identifies the various elements of a document (ordinary prose paragraphs or lists, etc). We can use a format based on XML, a Markup Language, with tags to identify the elements. The emerging standard for eBook distributon is epub, so that may be a good choice.  Authors/publishers create their eBooks in epub format or convert a word-processor document to epub. They send the eBook in a single file format, epub, to eBook distributor websites, like Amazon or eBook.com, instead of the old way of sending many different formats. The distributor website then uses converters to allow downloads in many eBook Reader formats (lit/pdf/pdb/txt/etc and epub itself).

Authors can submit eBooks to us in epub format. We don't care how different authors create their epub files. They may write and format an eBook in their favourite word-processor, then convert .doc/.odt/etc to .epub, using an existing converter program. Alternatively, they may use a word-processor/eBook authoring program that outputs epub directly.

For math books, you could use LyX as your word-processor, because of it's excellent formatting of math formulae, save the .TeX file and convert to epub using an existing converter program.

We would produce a converter to convert epub to JPEG files, for viewing on DVD Player+TV.

We wouldn't need to concern ourselves about other eBook Reader devices. People can use existing epub-to-<other eBook format> converters, for example epub-to-pdf/lit/pdb/txt/etc.

This is WHAT i propose we do. I haven't gone into HOW yet, but we should try to just use existing free open-source library functions or programs, rather than writing and maintaining a lot of code for years to come, and dealing with feature-requests. I'd like you to look at the message, which points to new epub sections on our Worknets page, and let me know what you think about this way forward.

An epub-to-JPEG converter could be generally useful, to other people/projects/devices, so we might publish it for anyone to use or adapt. For example, for owners or manufacturers of Digital Photo Frames or other devices that aren't intended to run programs.

Ricardo

--- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
>
> Ananya, Thank you for participating at Edward Cherlin's working group
> Earth Treasury
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/earthtreasury/
> and I'm very glad that you met George Christian Jeyaraj, he is one of
> the first members of Minciu Sodas, more than 10 years now! He is a
> Tamil from Sri Lanka but now in Lithuania. He speaks Lithuanian quite
> well ("labai gerai")! George also knows some programming.
>
> Perhaps you can help us? I invite you to join our chat this Thursday,
> September 10 at 16:00 East African time and Lithuania time, 14:00 London
> time, 6:00 California time. We'll be talking about our Online Text
> Converter (please try it out with a Hindi text!)
> http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/ which creates JPG images that
> can be viewed with a DVD player. And we'll be thinking how to publish
> learning materials in local languages such as Kiswahli (but Indian
> languages as well), all kinds of uses including business opportunities.
> George and all, you can look at my program
> http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/source.php (look at the "page
> source" with your browser.) Perhaps you can help with programming? or
> other projects, see also: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks
>
> Ananya and all, a great way to be included is to write any of our groups
> about:
> * your deepest value in life , which includes all of your other values
> (examples at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values
> * a question that you don't know the answer to, but wish to answer
> * what would you like to achieve?
> (examples at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
> * your dream in life, what you would like to do with your life
> http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams
>
> And I've created a wiki page for you at:
> http://www.earthtreasury.org/wiki.cgi?AnanyaSGuha
>
> How do you understand "global villages"?
>
> Thank you, Ananya and George!
>
> I include your chat below.
>
> Andrius
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas
> Minciu Sodas
> http://www.ms.lt
> ms@...
>
>
> AnanyaSGuha: /room English :: I am fascinated by earth treaury, although
> new to it. I am from India, and would like to spread the message of
> global village networks.
>
> George: Hi namasthe :: hi Andrius Are you Here?
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Namaste!
>
> George: where do you from? I'm from lithuania
>
> AnanyaSGuha: I am from India.
>
> George: from which city? :: Nice to meet you
>
> AnanyaSGuha: It is called Shillong, in India's North East. Nice to meet
> you too. :: I want to know how I can globally connect with the rest. I
> am an educationist engaged in vocational education and training. :: Is
> Andrius around?
>
> George: yes you can , also I intersted in
>
> AnanyaSGuha: That's great. What do you do? - teacher, student?
>
> George: I think he will come soon , Long time I had'nt internet yes
> today I get connected
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Oh good. :: How do you think the internet has changed you?
>
> George: I'm working in one firm , I was a telecom technician , also I
> was a social worker in school
>
> AnanyaSGuha: That's nice. I am sure you are continuing with social work?
>
> George: some how i have lot of friends also , I could work with them
> like Andrius do ,
>
> AnanyaSGuha: I think you must do that.
>
> George: yes i like it , but I have'nt lot of free times , only after my
> work :: yes That's great , qhat you think we colud work together?
>
> AnanyaSGuha: That doesn't matter... you can still do it, or you can do
> it as part of your work.
>
> George: sorry what you think we could work together? :: yes right
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Education for example- I could help students with English,
> writing etc... :: You could direct me to some students, maybe, students
> who need help... :: And we could work together.
>
> George: I was thinking , here i had some friends who studying hini
> language , I think you could teach on line ?
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Yes, I could do that. :: We have to partner and, work together.
>
> George: ok i will try to find them have uou email?
>
> AnanyaSGuha: My email id is: nnyguha48 AT gmail.com Please note.
>
> George: yes i think it it intersting , i think we can meet in chat room
> in the evening like today
>
> AnanyaSGuha: We could even bring students to this forum. :: Yes, we
> could meet in the chat room. We can fix days. Please note my email id,
> which I have given to you.
>
> George: yes
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Thanks.
>
> George: you are from which state in India? :: i had a friend from lakno
>
> AnanyaSGuha: It is called Meghalaya. Please find out from Google... ::
> Yes, I know Lucknow.
>
> George: yes ok
>
> AnanyaSGuha: What is his name?
>
> George: I think you from the hill county side?
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Yes, you are very right!
>
> George: O that 's a beauty full place
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Yes, it is beautiful.
>
> George: I just came to chat with Adrius but he is not at the movement
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Doesn't matter. You are chatting all the same- do you want
> to leave?
>
> George: i have to go to dinner sorry later tomorrow see you again..
>
> AnanyaSGuha: See you. Take care. Don't forget about the English project
> and my email id. OK?
>
> George: ok , see you bye..
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Bye.
>
> George: have good night
>
> AnanyaSGuha: Good night.
>

Hello all,
As i will be having a week long in Kisumu to be with Tom Ochuka. The artist
Samuel Onyango is on the ground drawing my home area and distances between
Primary school, Nyamuga special unit for children with disabillity, Rusinga
Women United hall where the women meet every Tuesday, (as i told you!). I am
pushing 'a living hope is a desire',
I am reading a newspaper and noting new corrupt politicians and spread of
diseases as the two biggest problems the country faces at 93 per cent each, i am
keen to check water shortage at 70% and while tackling sustainable ideas the
economy can grow at a handful dedicated people.
The women are worried to how their livelihood and food security. Given that they
are registered with Government responsibe ministry since 2004.
And as Ricardo puts it .'A Dholuo language is fine. I need Tom Ochuka, Peter
Ongele, Jackton Arija, and Ken Owino to contribute. Next week Tuesday, i will
meet representatives of K-rep bank on matters of micro-credit for the women
(Kawala Women Development Group).. Will use Dholuo language as their  medium of
communication.
I need volunteer specialists to help in food security, water and sanitation,
which will converge  on sustainable agriculture and local (home) community
tourism.
'A living hope is a desire'.
...

Ricardo,

First, Thank you! for great progress in the last few weeks.  We've
really achieved a lot.  We're close to making it easy to publish ebooks
for DVD players, mobile phones, etc.

I think now we want to know, What kinds of ebooks would be most useful
for our participants in Africa, India, and so on?  That should dictate
how we focus our technological efforts.

Here are some opportunities:
* Josephat Ndibalema is championing Kiswahili, (see our wiki!
http://www.worknets.org/sw/ ) and in general, we can serve local and
regional languages.
* Graham Knight's Do-It-Yourself DIY Solar (solar panels for recharging
mobile phones) is a good example of a project that we could support with
ebooks in local languages, as are your many pages at
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Ricardo  and Franz Nahrada also wants
us to engage participants at Thingiverse who might work together with
us, and we might try out their projects.
* Ananya Guha (India) has suggested children's books and that is also a
focus of Masimba Biriwasha (Zimbabwe).  Indeed, it would be good for us
to collect, share and write children's stories and study them in terms
of the values that we and they are espousing.  That's a great way to
research our own values, including our deepest values, and to create a
new culture, growing with children.
* Janet Feldman's guide for Blogging Positively and other such materials
are also great.

It's good to learn of the new EPUB standard for ebooks.  However, it
seems that EPUB is just a way to package HTML pages.  The HTML pages
need to be written "correctly", unambiguously as XHTML, and they are
organized with a side bar and zipped together.  But otherwise there
doesn't seem to be any constraint on them.  Indeed, they can even
include CSS stylesheets.  So writing an EPUB converter is comparable to
writing an HTML browser (and one that will look nice on all kinds of
screens).  That's outside of my resources.  As you note, there are sites
like http://feedbooks.com that are doing this automatically, converting
EPUB into all kinds of formats.  Indeed, http://feedbooks.com is
wonderful for us - not only do they publish classics in the Public
Domain, but they also require new authors to publish in the Public
Domain!  And they are attracting authors!

Similarly, creating a PDF browser or PDF parser is unrealistic and
unecessary for us.

Instead, we already have a converter that works.  And improving it a bit
will make it work quite well.  What we're achieving is our own format, a
very simple way to organize text into paragraphs, without any line
breaks, and some assumptions as to what will happen when paragraphs are
just a line or two (they will be listed on the same screen), and when
they are longer than that (they will get their own screen).  We don't
need any use of italics, bold, font size, page display or anything else,
for our purposes, as far as I know.  Instead, we have a real need to
intersperse (and perhaps to overlay) photos, audio, video, diagrams.
Our texts will determine our needs.  We need texts!

This is like the difference between websites and emails.  We use emails
(typically, plain text) for most of our activity and that is why we are
so inclusive.  Whereas much of the world's activity is oriented around
websites.  Our strength is in activity where we can minimize the
importance of layout and focus on content.  We're coming up with that
kind of ebook and others may not.

Some steps we could take:
* Choose texts that one or more of our participants want.
* Translate them to local languages as needed.
* Hand craft some custom made ebooks - improve our tools accordingly.
* Develop our own format for "Electric Books" (or however we call it).
* Ask http://feedbooks.com to convert ePub to our format (and from
there, possibly, to various output devices format)
* Ask somebody else to convert PDF to our format.

Then, we can build and encourage custom converters that take assorted
text (like email archives) and strip out the paragraphs, which is to
say, convert them to our format.  We can also encourage people to write
ePub books or PDF books, yet still, they will get better results if they
simply output the text.

I think we're having very good success with our own "formatless" format
and that is something we can build on.  The value of our format is that
it is maximally flexible, it can be satisfactory on all devices, and it
allows for maximally rapid publishing (especially relevant if we add
photos, audio and video).

Much to discuss tomorrow!

Thank you, Ricardo and all,

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003


ricardoolpc wrote:
> Hi Andrius
>
> this is just to let you know I'll be at the Thursday 10th Sept 16:00
> EAT Worknets chat, where we can chat about the Text Converter, etc.
>
> If you haven't seen it already, could you look at...
>
> "Text Converter way forward - Using epub as the input format"
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/learnhowtolearn/message/594
>
> Here's a summary...
>
> If we start with plain-text, then I think we will always be struggling
> to get the  output looking right.
>
> I think we need to start with a format that identifies the various
> elements of a document (ordinary prose paragraphs or lists, etc). We
> can use a format based on XML, a Markup Language, with tags to
> identify the elements. The emerging standard for eBook distributon is
> epub, so that may be a good choice.  Authors/publishers create their
> eBooks in epub format or convert a word-processor document to epub.
> They send the eBook in a single file format, epub, to eBook
> distributor websites, like Amazon or eBook.com, instead of the old way
> of sending many different formats. The distributor website then uses
> converters to allow downloads in many eBook Reader formats
> (lit/pdf/pdb/txt/etc and epub itself).
>
> Authors can submit eBooks to us in epub format. We don't care how
> different authors create their epub files. They may write and format
> an eBook in their favourite word-processor, then convert
> .doc/.odt/etc to .epub, using an existing converter program.
> Alternatively, they may use a word-processor/eBook authoring program
> that outputs epub directly.
>
> For math books, you could use LyX as your word-processor, because of
> it's excellent formatting of math formulae, save the .TeX file and
> convert to epub using an existing converter program.
>
> We would produce a converter to convert epub to JPEG files, for
> viewing on DVD Player+TV.
>
> We wouldn't need to concern ourselves about other eBook Reader
> devices. People can use existing epub-to-<other eBook format>
> converters, for example epub-to-pdf/lit/pdb/txt/etc.
>
> This is WHAT i propose we do. I haven't gone into HOW yet, but we
> should try to just use existing free open-source library functions or
> programs, rather than writing and maintaining a lot of code for years
> to come, and dealing with feature-requests. I'd like you to look at
> the message, which points to new epub sections on our Worknets page,
> and let me know what you think about this way forward.
>
> An epub-to-JPEG converter could be generally useful, to other
> people/projects/devices, so we might publish it for anyone to use or
> adapt. For example, for owners or manufacturers of Digital Photo
> Frames or other devices that aren't intended to run programs.
>
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>

What groups might we share this letter with?  It's an invitation to
chat, but also, an invitation to work together and have "liaisons" to
link our various groups and help us know how we might work together.
What groups might we link up with?  Who might like to be a liaison?
Andrius, ms@...
-----------------------------------

I invite us all to our chat room http://www.worknets.org/chat/  on
Thursday, September 10, at 16:00 Kenya time, 14:00 London, 9:00 New
York. We'll chat about publishing ebooks in local and regional languages
(like Kiswahili, Hindi, Lithuanian, Luo) that can be read (as JPG
images) with DVD players, mobile phones, digital picture frames, ebook
readers, etc.

We'd love to work together with other communities.  Many of our
endeavors are converging:
* Ricardo (UK) has written many helpful pages about making the most of
marginal Internet access, as in Africa:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Ricardo
* He suggested that we convert text to JPG images so they could be read
on DVD players, mobile phones, etc.
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OnlineTextConverter
* I implemented this: http://www.worknets.org/software/ebook/  You can
enter a text and it will output a zipped file with JPG images,
typically, one per paragraph.
* Josephat Ndibalema (Tanzania) is championing the creation of learning
materials in Kiswahili (see our wiki http://www.worknets.org/sw/ )
* Graham Knight (UK) promotes DIY Solar, small do-it-yourself solar
panels for recharging mobile phones, and we could create related ebooks.
http://biodesign.webeden.co.uk
* Franz Nahrada (Austria) wants us to engage the participants of
http://www.thingiverse.com (sharing "digital designs for physical
objects") to work together on real-life challenges and we agreed (with
Ralf Schlatterbeck (Austria)) that this will be the first "semantic"
project for our Worknets Interface Architecture Committee.
* Ananya Guha (India) has suggested children's books and that is also a
focus of Masimba Biriwasha (Zimbabwe). Indeed, it would be good for us
to collect, share and write children's stories and study them in terms
of the values that we and they are espousing. That's a great way to
research our own values, including our deepest values, and to create a
new culture, growing with children.
* Janet Feldman's (USA) Rising Voices guide for Blogging Positively and
other such materials are also great.
http://rising.globalvoicesonline.org/guides/

As you see, we need help:
* Learning what content might be relevant to publish.
* Strategizing the publishing path (which might include converting EPUB
and PDF files, using Public Domain resources like books
http://www.gutenberg.org , http://www.feedbooks.com , audio books
http://www.librivox.org ) and even interweaving (much like a slide show)
text, photos, audio, video.
* Creating software for conversion and for making publishing easy with
good results.
* Exploring hardware options and even hacking new ones.
* Translating materials.
* Organizing publishing and distribution networks.
* Building contacts and developing business opportunities.

We'd also like to learn about any endeavors you may have that we might
work together on
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
as well as your "deepest value in life" and "questions that you don't
know the answer to, but wish to answer"
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values
and "what would you like to do with your life"?
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams
and "how can we help"?
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks

Worknets is a culture for independent thinkers, that is, for focusing on
those who are able to work even by themselves, are willing to give and
share in the Public Domain, and so with our help might remake all of our
world, so that what we believe is what happens.

In 1998, I founded Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt as a business (and
haven) for serving and organizing independent thinkers.  I'm taking the
lead to organize Worknets as a broader culture and network based on
minimum requirements for maximum sharing
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Charter

Our endeavor above is a good occassion to seek liaisons with a wide
variety of groups such as Rising Voices, Yi-Tan, Learning Communities,
Ugabytes, Super Happy Dev Club and many others.
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Liaisons
I hope we might find people who could build bridges amongst groups,
summarize what people are working on in a group, and share endeavors
from other groups.  Such summaries and related exchanges would be
assumed to be in the Public Domain, for participating groups.  I am
actively looking for liaisons and also for modest stipends for their help.

I prefaced my letter with "Mornflake outreach" because this summer such
outreach was made possible by work we did for Leon Benjamin
http://www.winningbysharing.net on behalf of Mornflake cereal
http://www.mornflake.com and their online video contest
http://www.mornflakecompetition.com   Leon paid us to engage online
communities and agreed that we focus on reaching out to them and
supporting their endeavors, and credit Mornflake for their support,
rather than promote Mornflake cereal directly.  The groups that tolerate
us are those with whom we can effectively build such a network.  Leon
and I think that we can find more such clients to support our outreach,
and we can share this work as well.  I thus appreciate your
understanding and support (and Mornflake's, too).
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?MornflakeOutreach

Please share your thoughts, how might we help each other, and what
groups would like us to reach out to them?

Thank you!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003
Dukiskes, Lithuania

David, Islam!  I share your letter from Chicago.  I'm glad to think of
you.  I intend to organize "photo blogs" from our different locations.
See our photos http://www.ms.lt/?source=Photos  from Lithuania, Uganda
and Kenya.  It would be great to have some from Chicago, you can add
them at http://www.ms.lt  "Add a photo" and it takes you to
http://www.worknets.org/software/addphoto.php  We can all add our
photos.  A picture speaks a thousand words. Peace,  Andrius Kulikauskas,
ms@..., http://www.ms.lt

david ellison-bey wrote:
  Islam:  Can I pick and choose how much misery I can Take?  Already I am
becoming anxious (su 9-6-09) by just having company, a late night
uninvited visitor or guest, who donated $3 for letting him crash for the
rest of the night, he arrived after 1:30 a.m. or so.  think about it,
when should he leave?  or when should I ask him to leave? if he don't
leave on his on?  In other words, I haven't made any provision for him.
Earlier their was a shooting on the corner of 68st while I was away
shopping, the workers that was working on my back porch was ducking
bullets on the front porch while I was gone.  My visitor said that they
were shooting while he was sitting on my porch and that someone asked
him what was he doing sitting on my porch.  Now the mouse giving me a
hard time.  I haven't tried to hear more shots   The mouse is tiring me
out, As well as the screen,  I will have to learn more about using the
computer.  Actually I have been turned off of it by other peoples use of
it and the way its affected me.  I am trying to work out this problem
past, present and future,  Work out, not get out. because it world wide
, where mans lust and greed has become his very life, infecting all
levels of society indiscreetly.  Just who's caught at the time unaware,
etc,.  This is the outcome of what they have fixed.  How can someone as
intelligent do something so unintelligent?  Why do they always try to
identify us with them? when they should be trying to identify with us?
Its obvious who s on the right path.  They don't want the truth.  Love
you and I can't help it.  Under the law speaks Jesse Jackson Jr, Rainbow
Push founder and president, speaks on schools and games, etc,.  I must
move on pass his rhetoric. especially when he starts quoting figures and
debt, etc,.  Their greed and arrogance won't let them help the needy.
they can't see pass their on position in the lime light of the public
eye.  (more later.)  Peace Bro. D. Ellison-Bey.   Andrius [...]

Interesting article for money transfer for African (and others who like me don't
have access to paypall) entrepreneurs.
http://tinyurl.com/l5dw2e

Sasha

Hi Sasha
         thanks. That's a useful list of money transfer services.

You mentioned you can't use Paypal where you are, in Serbia. I checked the
Paypal Worldwide page, which lists which countries can use Paypal and whether
they can sed-and-receive money or just send money.

Serbia still isn't listed, so you can't use Paypal at all at the moment. I check
the page every few months, to look for changes, so I'll let you know if Serbia
is added. I see that 2 of the former Yugoslav states are listed; Croatia and
Bosnia-Herzegovina, so that's a hopeful sign that Serbia may be listed one day.

https://www.paypal.com/worldwide/

Ricardo


--- In mendenyo@yahoogroups.com, "frogkailo" <frogkailo@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting article for money transfer for African (and others who like me
don't have access to paypall) entrepreneurs.
> http://tinyurl.com/l5dw2e
>
> Sasha
>

Andrius, Sasha, Ricardo, Pamela, Janet, and all,

I have a living thought (dream) which started in 2003 through 'Motivation
through sacrifice' with a question, 'how can i help myself at the same provide
for others?. I started a focus in ICT, Networking, sharing, training women in
ICT Combined with enterprenueship. An idea arose whereby making the women self
reliant in their livelihood, thanks to Ricardo a few women are doing tailoring
as commercial way of income.
Although Grace  and  her son John were successful fish traders, i had time to
discuss with them after a middle fish trader went with their fish worth Kenya
shillings of 70,000 and never paid after sales in Nairobi. There is minimal fish
catch. The family has nothing to eat, she is a widow with other children at high
school. The man is untraceable due to assumption of trust!
Samwel..  .

Fred,

I'm glad that you are safe.  I'm sad for your news.  I pray for you and
all the people of Kampala.

Please keep us posted how we can help.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


kayiwa fred wrote:
  > http://www.newvision.co.ug/
  > http://www.newvision.co.ug/
  > if u where in kampala u wont like the stuation
  > keep praying for us
  >-----------------------------------------
  >
  >     it was yesterday at 2pm when the news sarounded al over the
capital city in uganda that their Kingdom is in wrangle with the govt
  >     and now cios started
  >     several people have been killed,
  >     there is no stable conditions up to now
  >     however, the militaly have taken over the city and every where in
central uganda to cool down the mob justice and stop people from rooting
things
  >
  >     at least our staffs, properties have been destroyed and stolen
including the scaner, printer and monitor screen at place of work
  >
  >     there are also people who died not sure who is who
  >
  >     am safe home in my room
  >     i look an escape from town center and run home and everything is
on stand still now
  >
  >
  >

[23:11:37] kayiwa fred: hi Andrius
[23:16:57] Andrius Kulikauskas: Hi Fred, any news?
[23:17:41] kayiwa fred: things are worsening
[23:17:55] � we cant get the news from radios
[23:18:04] � all radio stations have been cut off
[23:18:13] � apart from the govt radios
[23:18:15] Andrius Kulikauskas: oh that's very serious
[23:18:24] kayiwa fred: and those cant give you excat news
[23:18:27] Andrius Kulikauskas: what about SMS ?
[23:18:55] kayiwa fred: but we still watch from the national TV i dont
have one but have been at neibours
[23:19:07] � and the all city is covered by army
[23:19:11] � soldies
[23:19:22] � i hope they are stablising the stuation hope so
[23:19:28] � lets wait by tomorrow
[23:19:36] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
[23:19:44] � how is your brother?
[23:20:26] kayiwa fred: i managed to go to hospital but my litle brother
is rely injured and he needs care
[23:20:38] � his matress was stolen and the case
[23:20:52] � u know they were in matato going back to their boarding school
[23:21:06] � so he needs help over that way
[23:21:20] � he will be fine at least he was not hit on the head seroiusly
[23:21:32] Andrius Kulikauskas: that's most important
[23:21:35] kayiwa fred: am so sorry with him more than my properties
[23:21:42] Andrius Kulikauskas: did you lose yor computer?
[23:21:46] � or your phone?
[23:23:14] kayiwa fred: i lost my printer, and scaner and flat panel
[monitor] and camera
[23:23:25] Andrius Kulikauskas: oh, that's sad

Good night,

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003

Am happy that as I talk now His Highness the King of Buganda has called off his
vist and the matters might come down
http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish/news/Kabaka_calls_off_trip_to_Kayunga_91\
193.shtml
Long leave Kabaka

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:

> From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
> Subject: [onereachinganother] Fred and Andrius chat about the riots in
Kampala, Uganda
> To: "help group" <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>,
earthtreasury@yahoogroups.com, onereachinganother@yahoogroups.com,
mendenyo@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:25 PM
> [23:11:37] kayiwa fred: hi Andrius
> [23:16:57] Andrius Kulikauskas: Hi Fred, any news?
> [23:17:41] kayiwa fred: things are worsening
> [23:17:55] … we cant get the news from radios
> [23:18:04] … all radio stations have been cut off
> [23:18:13] … apart from the govt radios
> [23:18:15] Andrius Kulikauskas: oh that's very serious
> [23:18:24] kayiwa fred: and those cant give you excat news
> [23:18:27] Andrius Kulikauskas: what about SMS ?
> [23:18:55] kayiwa fred: but we still watch from the
> national TV i dont
> have one but have been at neibours
> [23:19:07] … and the all city is covered by army
> [23:19:11] … soldies
> [23:19:22] … i hope they are stablising the stuation hope
> so
> [23:19:28] … lets wait by tomorrow
> [23:19:36] Andrius Kulikauskas: yes
> [23:19:44] … how is your brother?
> [23:20:26] kayiwa fred: i managed to go to hospital but my
> litle brother
> is rely injured and he needs care
> [23:20:38] … his matress was stolen and the case
> [23:20:52] … u know they were in matato going back to
> their boarding school
> [23:21:06] … so he needs help over that way
> [23:21:20] … he will be fine at least he was not hit on
> the head seroiusly
> [23:21:32] Andrius Kulikauskas: that's most important
> [23:21:35] kayiwa fred: am so sorry with him more than my
> properties
> [23:21:42] Andrius Kulikauskas: did you lose yor computer?
> [23:21:46] … or your phone?
> [23:23:14] kayiwa fred: i lost my printer, and scaner and
> flat panel
> [monitor] and camera
> [23:23:25] Andrius Kulikauskas: oh, that's sad
>
> Good night,
>
> Andrius
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas
> Minciu Sodas
> http://www.ms.lt
> ms@...
> +370 699 30003
>
>
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