Pat, I'm not the expert that some on this list most certainly are, but
to the best of my understanding the two are mutually exclusive. The cometary
debris that provides our beautiful meteor showers is in no way substantive
enough to make it all the way through the atmosphere.

     Bruce
     *****


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> Do we have any witnessed falls that resulted in recovery of a meteorite
> that can also be traced back to a specific meteor shower? I know Peter J
> recovered material from TC3 in the Sudan but that one was a random
> meteoroid. Do we have any from known showers that can then be associated
> with the known sapce body that produced it?
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Pat,

   I don't think so. Because most meteoroids are from comets, which
although somewhat
varied in composition, are usually of low density,  being made mostly of
ices and dust.
They are very friable,  and usually always burn-up in the upper
atmosphere. There are
some researchers who think that the CI and CM carbonaceous chondrites
are from exausted
comets, but I don't think any meteorite fall has ever been definitely
associated with a meteor
shower.

   Of the major meteor showers, only the Geminids are thought to be
associated with an exausted
comet, which is what the Geminid parent body Patheon may be, which is
considered a C-type
asteroid. I don't think a meteorite had ever been found known to be from
the Geminids. Maybe
some older  CI & CM2 finds are,  but because they are so friable they
don't last long on Earth;
and would need to be found relatively soon. Unless the parent fireball
is seen well, an association
is hard to make. Most, if not all, meteorites are from other asteroids.
There may be some minor
meteor showers associated with other parent bodies that are asteroids,
but I don't  think that a
meteorite fall has ever been associated with one of them either.

Clear Skies,
GWG











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> Do we have any witnessed falls that resulted in recovery of a meteorite that
can also be traced back to a specific meteor shower? I know Peter J recovered
material from TC3 in the Sudan but that one was a random meteoroid. Do we have
any from known showers that can then be associated with the known sapce body
that produced it?
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Pat:
	 Here is a good reference for some of your questions:  http://
www.cyprusastronomy.com/Meteors.htm
Also: http://geology.com/articles/meteor.shtml
Ed

On 12-Nov-09, at 11:43 AM, Pat wrote:

> What is the minimum size for a fireball with a train? I assume it
> is not just a dust particle.
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Hi Pat,
As an example I have observed leonids and perseids of magnitudo 3 with trail
in good sky conditions. Meteors of that brightness are many small but I
would not know which effective diameter can have.
Clear skies,
Roberto Haver

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Do we have any witnessed falls that resulted in recovery of a meteorite that can
also be traced back to a specific meteor shower? I know Peter J recovered
material from TC3 in the Sudan but that one was a random meteoroid. Do we have
any from known showers that can then be associated with the known sapce body
that produced it?

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What is the minimum size for a fireball with a train? I assume it is not just a
dust particle.

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There have not been many exceptional Taurids this year over my observing
area.Yet, here is one video capture with radio recordings:

http://www.heliotown.com/Fireball_Taurid_20091111_0903ut.html

My movies are now in two formats;   .mp4 for Mac users and .wmv for
windows users.

There is also one movie version with ELF/VLF radio reception but no
obvious or prominent direct emission from this fireball was noted that
is distinct from background sferics.

Thomas Ashcraft  /  New Mexico


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Hello Sirko,

I noticed some inconsistences in your tables:


> 2. Observing Times (h)
> ======================
>
> Sep    01   02   03   04   05   06   07   08   09   10   11   12   13   14  
15
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> BENOR   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   
-
>         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   5.7  4.3 
6.0
> BRIBE  6.3  1.9  1.1  0.3  2.3  1.1  7.5  9.8   -   5.6  0.9  5.8  3.8   -   
-

... <snip> ...

> Aug    16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29  
30   31
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----
> BENOR  2.0  1.0  1.0   -    -    -   0.8   -    -    -    -    -    -    -   
-    -
> BRIBE  6.4  8.3  8.4  6.3  0.3  4.5  7.5  7.7  2.4  4.8  8.9  4.8  6.1  6.3 
9.2  8.2

Is the month correct for 16. - 31.? September has only 30 days.


> 3. Results (Meteors)
> ====================
>
> Sep    01   02   03   04   05   06   07   08   09   10   11   12   13   14  
15
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> BENOR   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   
-
>         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   5.7  4.3 
6.0
> BRIBE  6.3  1.9  1.1  0.3  2.3  1.1  7.5  9.8   -   5.6  0.9  5.8  3.8   -   
-
> CASFL  5.3  0.3   -   1.2   -   7.7  4.2   -    -   1.6  0.2  1.5   -   0.2  
-

How can there be decimal number of meteors?

Clear skies
Bernd

Bernd Brinkmann

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Herne, Germany

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At 04:58 AM 12/11/2009, Heidi Sacks wrote:
>Hello,
>
>My husband and I were thrilled and amazed to see a meteor(?) on
>Saturday November 7th
>while standing on the beach in Monterey, California.  ....


Heidi, the  trail left by the meteor was  that you describe was
essentially a dust very fine
dust. It was being illuminated by the Sun, like the clouds and
aircraft contrails.
But it was higher in the atmosphere so the sunlight illuminating it
wasn't so red. In addition the dust particles could easily be so small,
that the scattered light has more of a bluish colour.

Your report was concise and accurate. The aircraft contrails and clouds
disappeared when Sun got sufficciently below the horizon from their
position that the scattered sunlight wasn't enough to make them visible.
The meteor trail illumination would last longer.
Meteors become visible at 60 miles (90Km) up. Large ones
can penetrate down to 20 miles up.


    If it had been seen against a dark sky it might have
seen a "train" which lasted 10-30 seconds from excited air molecules
but you would not see that phenomena in bright twilight.
Tony Beresford


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Hello Heidi.

Congratulations on seeing what appears to be a noteworthy fireball!

Normally other observers seeing the same object will report this to the
American Meteor Societies webpage ( Add the http & www stuff to
.amsmeteors.org/ ) which is updated a few days (AFTER) any given date of
group reportings.

Knowing the time, your apprx. location, compass direction you were facing,
the meteors direction of travel, and rough elevation, would enable you to
confirm what you saw from other eye witness reports that are filed which
will list similar details.

Unfortunately, the AMS website has had recent software/hardware problems
starting on Oct 29th. and no reports have been filed since then. It is not
clear whether observers of past events will retain their report information
for later filing, and it is not clear as to whether AMS will resume its
record keeping for those reports.

Many who report directly to AMS do not seem to list their observations of
unusual fireballs on meteorobs(here) because it would be redundant. So,
until AMS resumes....keep written, your memories of this event for later
corroboration with AMS.

Well done, your reporting language Heidi !

YCSentinel
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Hello,

My husband and I were thrilled and amazed to see a meteor(?) on Saturday
November 7th while standing on the beach in Monterey, California. The
thrilling thing was that the meteor appeared right after the sun set so it
was still very much daylight. I didn't know this was possible. And it was so
bright, almost a golden shimmering color, and large that we thought the sun
was reflecting on a landing airplane or something but then it disappeared.
The other amazing thing was that it left behind a jagged trail in the sky
similar to what an airplane would leave in the right conditions. There were
other airplanes leaving trails in the sky and this one was very different.
Where the airplanes and clouds were reflecting the orange/pink setting sun,
this trail was a bluish/green/white color that appeared to glow, possibly
reflecting the sunlight differently. The airplane trails disappeared after a
few minutes but this glowing trail was in the sky for
  20plus minutes.

My husband and I were in awe and are wondering what it was that we saw. Can
you shed any light on this for us since we have no knowledge in this
subject?

Thank you,

Heidi Sacks
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Results of the IMO Video Meteor Network - September 2009
========================================================

Before we concentrate on the September results, let's first have another
look back at the August data. Because of a storage quota at our ftp server,
a few data from STG38 got lost, and the observations of REMO1 and REMO2 were
incomplete when the last report was written. After these data were added,
we reached a total of more than 4,400 hours of effective observing time and
30,000 meteors.

September was a pleasant month as well, that presented many observing nights
to the observers. Around mid-September there was briefly rainy weather, but
before and thereafter we had clear skies at most observing sites. So more
than half of all cameras collected more that 100 hours of effective observing
time in 20 or more nights. We could not reach the August totals, but with
over 4,000 hours it was by far the second best month of the camera network.
The average number of meteors per hours was cut half compared to August.
Still, 15,000 meteors in total is the third best monthly result and naturally
far more than we ever recorded in a September.

By the end of the third quarter 2009 we have collected already as many
observing hours and meteors as in all of 2008, and we also passed the limit
of half a million meteors in the IMO Video Meteor Database.

There are several minor meteor showers in September - some of these
originating from the Perseus Auriga region (with the Aurigids and the
September epsilon-Perseids as most prominent representatives). The southern
Taurids are also noticeable. Still, we want to analyse two other shower in
more detail this month.

The Nu-Eridanids have the number 337 and a "working status" in the MDC list.
In our most recent analysis, we detected this shower between September 3
and 24 with overall 1,185 meteors. During the full activity interval it
showed an almost constant video rate of three to four with a minor peak on
September 7. The second shower, dubbed September iota-Cassiopeids, was newly
detected by us based on 278 shower members. It got number 416 on the MDC list
and showed also an almost constant video rate with a peak of nearly 1 on
September 11.

Could these two shower be detected in September 2009 as well? To answer this
question, the meteor shower assignment was first recomputed based on the
shower parameters obtained by us. Then, the number of shower meteors per
night was summed over all cameras, and divided by the number of Sporadics
to account for the variable observing time and conditions. Nights with less
than 200 sporadic meteors were omitted.

Between September 4 and 25, we recorded 611 NUE beside 7,849 sporadic meteors.
Between September 6 and 16 it was 80 SIC beside 2,707 Sporadics. Figure
http://www.imonet.org/reports/20090901.gif shows the ratio between NUE/SIC
and SPO per night. The profiles fit well to the results published in WGN,
given that we are talking about very weak showers here. The Nu-Eridanids
show an almost constant rate of nearly 10% of the sporadic counts. For
comparison: that's about the number of southern Taurids in end-September.
The September iota-Cassiopeids show a steep rise between September 6 and 8,
reaching 5% of the sporadic count at maximum. Thereafter, the activity
slowly falls until September 16.
Hence, both showers could be detected in the 2009 data set as well.


1. Observers
============

Code    Name        Place           Camera         FOV    LM Nights Time Meteors
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BENOR Benitez-S.  Las Palmas    TIMES4 (1.4/50)   20 dg  3 mag  3   16.6 h    39
                                 TIMES5 (0.95/50)  10 dg  3 mag  9   38.0 h    60
BRIBE Brinkmann   Herne         HERMINE (0.8/6)   55 dg  3 mag 24  126.3 h   514
CASFL Castellani  Monte Baldo   BMH1 (0.8/6)      55 dg  3 mag 20   81.8 h   198
                                 BMH2 (0.8/6)      55 dg  3 mag 18   83.1 h   280
CRIST Crivello    Valbrevenna   C3P8 (0.8/3.8)    80 dg  3 mag 27  165.6 h   703
                                 STG38 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 22  112.6 h   299
ELTMA Eltri       Venezia       MET38 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 17  111.1 h   365
GONRU Goncalves   Tomar         TEMPLAR1 (0.8/6)  55 dg  3 mag 25  179.7 h   810
                                 TEMPLAR2 (0.8/6)  55 dg  3 mag 24  142.1 h   421
GOVMI Govedic     Sredisce      ORION2 (0.8/8)    42 dg  4 mag 22  138.5 h   485
HERCA Hergenroth. Tucson        SALSA (1.2/4)     80 dg  3 mag 27  122.4 h   202
                                 SALSA2 (1.2/4)    80 dg  3 mag 26  166.5 h   434
HINWO Hinz        Brannenburg   AKM2 (0.85/25)    32 dg  6 mag 18   87.5 h   287
IGAAN Igaz        Hodmezozovas. HUHOD (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 25  173.4 h   590
JOBKL Jobse       Oostkapelle   BETSY2 (1.2/85)   25 dg 11 mag 24   76.7 h   683
KACJA Kac         Kostanjevec   METKA (0.8/8)     42 dg 17 mag 23   82.7 h   176
                   Ljubljana     ORION1 (0.8/8)    42 dg 22 mag 27   84.5 h   241
                   Kamnik        REZIKA (0.8/6)    55 dg  2 mag 13    5.0 h     9
                                 STEFKA (0.8/3.8)  80 dg  3 mag 15   12.0 h    26
KOSDE Koschny     Noordwijkerh. TEC1 (1.4/12)     30 dg  4 mag 17   63.7 h   132
LUNRO Lunsford    Chula Vista   BOCAM (1.4/50)    60 dg  6 mag 23  139.3 h   564
MOLSI Molau       Seysdorf      AVIS2 (1.4/50)    60 dg  6 mag 21  136.9 h  1508
                                 MINCAM1 (0.8/8)   42 dg  4 mag 25  124.8 h   383
                   Ketzuer       REMO1 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 25  142.5 h   434
                                 REMO2 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 28  157.3 h   780
OCHPA Ochner      Albiano       ALBIANO (1.2/4.5) 68 dg  3 mag 22  115.4 h   341
SCHHA Schremmer   Niederkr.     DORAEMON (0.8/3.8)80 dg  3 mag 20  103.1 h   256
SLAST Slavec      Ljubljana     KAYAK1 (1.8/28)   50 dg  4 mag 16   58.1 h   112
STOEN Stomeo      Scorze        MIN38 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 25  188.9 h   947
                                 NOA38 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 25  155.6 h   565
                                 SCO38 (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 25  182.0 h   951
STRJO Strunk      Herford       MINCAM2 (0.8/6)   55 dg  3 mag 21   68.7 h   202
                                 MINCAM3 (0.8/8)   42 dg  4 mag 17   89.8 h   382
                                 MINCAM5 (0.8/6)   55 dg  3 mag 16   72.5 h   214
TEPIS Tepliczky   Budapest      HUMOB (0.8/3.8)   80 dg  3 mag 17  114.9 h   269
YRJIL Yrjola      Kuusankoski   FINEXCAM (0.8/6)  55 dg  3 mag 26  140.3 h   579
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Overall                                                        30 4049.9 h 15441


2. Observing Times (h)
======================

Sep    01   02   03   04   05   06   07   08   09   10   11   12   13   14   15
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BENOR   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   5.7  4.3  6.0
BRIBE  6.3  1.9  1.1  0.3  2.3  1.1  7.5  9.8   -   5.6  0.9  5.8  3.8   -    -
CASFL  5.3  0.3   -   1.2   -   7.7  4.2   -    -   1.6  0.2  1.5   -   0.2   -
        5.4  2.4  1.8   -   9.1  7.2  6.0   -    -   3.8  1.4  2.0   -   0.2   -
CRIST  7.5  0.5  2.3  6.5  9.2  8.3  6.9  9.3  7.9  4.3  5.0  9.6  1.4  1.0   -
        8.3  5.0  1.9  7.1  6.1  6.2  9.3  8.4  9.4  6.3  7.4  8.5  3.3  1.8   -
ELTMA  7.6   -    -   8.7  7.0  7.8  6.7   -    -   8.2  2.3  8.3   -    -    -
GONRU  9.1  2.6  8.0  7.2  9.4  6.4  8.4  6.5   -   3.9  7.6   -   6.0  6.5  9.7
        4.4  0.9  5.0  4.7  6.4  7.9  7.0  5.5   -   1.4  5.7   -   4.8  5.5  7.8
GOVMI  7.3   -    -    -   7.8  7.0  6.8   -   5.0   -   6.0  4.0   -   7.1  7.0
HERCA  6.3  3.4  3.5  0.8   -    -    -   4.8   -    -    -    -    -    -    -
         -   5.3  5.9  0.8   -    -    -   6.8   -    -    -    -    -    -    -
HINWO  4.8   -    -    -   5.0  6.6  5.0   -   5.4   -    -   5.6   -   5.1  3.5
IGAAN  7.0  4.8  3.8   -   3.5  8.0  7.7  7.7  3.5   -   7.0  7.2  5.0  4.0   -
JOBKL   -   4.6  5.8  3.9  5.2  3.6   -   6.2  6.2   -   6.3  4.1  6.5  6.5  6.7
KACJA  7.4  6.6   -    -   2.8  4.0  3.7  2.4   -    -    -   7.3   -   6.9  7.2
        4.4  6.3   -   2.6  7.6  7.6  7.7  2.7  6.6   -   6.3  2.4   -   6.5  8.0
         -   4.4   -    -   4.4  4.3   -    -    -    -   5.7   -    -    -    -
         -    -    -    -   6.6  4.6   -   1.1   -    -   5.7   -    -    -   7.7
KOSDE   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   4.1  2.8   -    -    -
         -   2.8  4.9   -   5.1  3.4   -   4.6  5.8   -   3.2   -    -    -    -
LUNRO  4.0  1.9  2.0   -    -   7.3   -   8.4  3.1   -    -   4.0   -    -    -
MOLSI  4.4  4.7   -   4.6  1.0   -    -   1.4   -    -   1.1  0.1   -   4.6  5.8
        2.6  6.0   -   3.3  6.2  6.3  6.6  1.4  4.4  2.2  1.0  4.9  0.3  5.7  7.8
        6.2   -   6.3   -   6.3  6.4  4.4  5.1  4.6   -   1.8  3.5  7.0  5.7  7.1
        4.6   -   6.3  6.3  6.3  6.4  4.4  6.6  4.6  0.3  1.8  3.4  7.1  6.6  7.1
OCHPA  8.1  2.5   -   8.2  8.2  1.6  1.6  0.6  1.7  3.9  8.2  7.5  2.1  4.9  1.2
SCHHA  0.9  4.0  6.7  6.4  5.9  7.1   -   3.0   -    -   5.6  1.6   -   8.1  5.2
SLAST  2.0   -    -    -    -    -    -    -   1.7   -   3.2   -    -    -   7.3
STOEN  7.2  7.2   -   6.5  5.8  5.3  1.5  2.2  7.6  4.5  7.6  7.4   -   7.3  7.9
        7.2  7.2   -   7.3  5.8  5.0  0.5  1.2  7.6  4.0  7.7  7.4   -   7.4  7.9
        7.2  7.2   -   7.3  5.2  5.4  0.5  1.6  7.1  5.1  7.6  7.3   -   7.3  7.9
STORO   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
STRJO  2.3   -   1.0  3.3  6.1  4.1  2.8   -   0.5   -   1.0  3.3  6.6  4.4  6.8
         -    -   5.7  4.9  6.0  5.7  2.3   -    -    -    -   3.4  5.5  4.2  5.8
        4.9   -   5.6  5.8  4.9  3.7  3.3   -    -    -   1.7  2.7  5.7  5.1  6.1
TEPIS  3.2   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   4.4   -    -    -    -
YRJIL   -    -    -    -   3.1  2.1  2.7  1.7  3.9  3.9  4.2  1.0  4.5  4.1  4.8
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sum  133.8103.8 85.4 92.9147.9137.9 70.7 81.8 95.6 53.2151.6144.8 79.4151.9172.7

Aug    16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29   30
31
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----
BENOR  2.0  1.0  1.0   -    -    -   0.8   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
-
BRIBE  6.4  8.3  8.4  6.3  0.3  4.5  7.5  7.7  2.4  4.8  8.9  4.8  6.1  6.3  9.2
8.2
CASFL   -   7.0  5.1  6.1   -   6.3  5.2   -   5.9  5.5  4.0  8.3  7.6   -   6.8
8.8
         -   7.2  5.4  5.1   -   6.3  3.8  2.9  8.4  3.7  3.2  8.3  5.6   -   8.8
7.3
CRIST  8.1  8.2  8.2  7.3  7.2  6.8  3.2  7.4  6.4  6.0  8.6  8.7  4.0  6.3  8.0
8.8
         -    -   8.3  6.2  7.3  8.4  2.9  8.5  7.1  6.5  8.7  8.7  7.7  6.1  8.9
8.9
ELTMA  6.6  7.9   -   7.8  8.2  6.3  3.0  4.2  7.3  7.3  4.9  7.8   -    -   7.4
8.6
GONRU  7.5  8.6  8.5  7.1  8.5  8.6  7.1  5.7  4.7  8.8  4.8  3.1  9.0  8.9  9.0
7.4
        7.4  8.6  8.6  6.2  8.5  8.8   -   6.7  4.7  8.8   -   1.8  9.0  8.9  9.0
4.0
GOVMI  8.4  7.2  7.2  4.5  7.3  5.1  1.9  4.8  8.8  8.9  6.9  6.4  2.4   -   7.5
8.7
HERCA   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   1.4  5.8  3.5
3.1
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   2.4  6.8  5.5
2.9
HINWO  4.9   -   6.4  5.9  7.5  3.4   -   7.7  7.8   -   4.7  6.9   -   5.6  8.2
8.2
IGAAN   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   8.3  8.5  7.8  5.7  7.5   -   6.2
9.2
JOBKL  5.3  6.8  6.8  6.9  4.5  6.2  7.2  7.2   -   7.3  5.0  4.0   -    -    -
7.0
KACJA  6.3  7.4  8.3  4.4  8.5  2.3   -   3.0  6.5  6.6  5.5  3.1  5.8   -   5.8
5.7
        6.1  6.1  8.2  3.5  5.7  2.6  2.7  7.5  7.5  7.5  4.6  6.6  1.0   -   7.8
7.9
        7.9   -   7.9  6.2  2.7  3.2  2.3   -    -    -   5.3  0.9  0.7   -    -
-
        4.6   -   4.4  4.3  3.0  1.7  0.9  5.1   -    -   3.9  0.9  0.9   -    -
-
KOSDE   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
-
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   2.0   -    -    -   3.0
4.9
LUNRO   -   1.8  1.6   -   1.7  6.9   -   1.2  8.1  9.0  8.9  7.4  9.2  6.4  6.4
8.0
MOLSI  2.8   -   5.9  6.0  4.0   -    -    -   6.3   -    -   7.8  0.9  7.7  7.8
8.0
        5.9  4.2  6.0  5.5  8.1  0.8  1.7  8.3  8.4  2.4  0.2  6.5   -   8.7  8.7
8.8
        5.2  3.8  7.4  7.5  4.9  2.1  6.2   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
-
        5.7  4.8  6.9  7.5  3.2  1.5  4.4   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
-
OCHPA  4.0  6.2  6.8  6.7  6.0  7.1  4.6   -   8.2  7.2  3.3   -   8.4  1.7  8.5
9.6
SCHHA  6.6  7.6  8.4  7.6   -   3.7  6.8  6.0  0.2  7.3  6.4  1.3  1.5  5.6  6.6
8.0
SLAST  2.9  3.3  5.3   -   4.6   -    -   2.5  3.6  2.1  2.1   -    -    -   5.2
3.2
STOEN  6.0  8.0  7.9  8.1  7.2  8.3  5.2  4.8  8.4  7.5   -   8.6  6.9   -   8.8
8.8
        5.0  8.1  7.9  8.2  6.2  7.2  4.2  2.7  7.4  6.4   -   6.1  7.1   -   8.8
8.8
        5.0  8.0  7.8  8.1  8.2  7.2  4.1  5.5  8.4  6.4   -   5.6  7.0   -   8.8
8.8
STORO   -    -   7.3  6.9  7.0   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
-
STRJO  3.6  6.9  4.7  7.0  0.7  5.0  6.8  6.7  2.8  2.0  6.7  5.7  3.9  4.8  6.0
6.3
        4.4  5.8  6.8  6.9   -   2.2  3.5  6.2  3.5   -   4.3  3.9  4.8  4.0  5.7
2.7
        5.6  5.2  6.7  5.4   -   5.2  5.4  6.2  5.3   -   6.8  7.0  5.2  5.2  7.2
6.0
TEPIS  8.3  6.7  4.9  8.1  8.0   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   6.6
4.0
YRJIL  4.9  5.1   -   5.4  5.3  3.6  5.7   -   3.5  1.7   -   3.4  0.3   -   6.6
5.3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
-----
Sum  157.4169.8205.0192.7154.3141.3107.1128.5159.9142.2127.5149.3126.3
98.8216.3215.9


3. Results (Meteors)
====================

Sep    01   02   03   04   05   06   07   08   09   10   11   12   13   14   15
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BENOR   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   5.7  4.3  6.0
BRIBE  6.3  1.9  1.1  0.3  2.3  1.1  7.5  9.8   -   5.6  0.9  5.8  3.8   -    -
CASFL  5.3  0.3   -   1.2   -   7.7  4.2   -    -   1.6  0.2  1.5   -   0.2   -
CASFL  16    1    -    4    -   21   12    -    -    3    1    3    -    1    -
        20    3    5    -   31   26   20    -    -   14    5    6    -    1    -
CRIST  30    1    7   28   55   22   29   41   41   16   15   26    4    1    -
        24    7    2   20   26   21   29   28   23   14   19   13    6    3    -
ELTMA  28    -    -   38   27   25   23    -    -   35    4   26    -    -    -
GONRU  56    6   33   30   34   27   24   21    -    6   33    -   19   25   46
        27    4    9   19   32   24   16   10    -    1   11    -    8   11   25
GOVMI  41   24    -    -   23   41   39    3    -   14    -   25    -    -    6
HERCA   8    4    -    -    3    3    1    8    5    -    4    2    6   10   11
         3    2    -    -    -    -    7    8    5    6    9    4    4   13   31
HINWO   3    -    -    -    1   12    3   22   21    -    -    -    -    -   37
IGAAN  35   29    7    -   36   33   39    9   15    8   23   13    -   15   24
JOBKL   -    -    -    -    -    -    -   24    -   41    -   56    -    -    -
KACJA   9    9    -    -   16    -   10    1    -    8    -    -    -    -    -
        29    6    -    -   25   29   36    6    3    7    1   12    -    -    -
         -    6    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    3    -    -    -    -    -
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    2    -    -    -    -    -
KOSDE   -    -    -    -    -    5    5    -    -    7    2    4   14    -    -
LUNRO  26   27   27   12   16   12    5    4    3   26   12    -    -    -    -
MOLSI   -    -    -    -    -   35   61   89   45   32   42   74    4    -   24
         5    1    -    4   16   26   29   39   18   10    3   13    -    -    2
         -    -   10    8    5   12   22   20    4    4    3   18    -    -   10
         2    1   17    5   10   18   42   55   13   19   20   41    -    -   26
OCHPA  18    1    9    9   33   30   20    4   19   11    1   16    -    -    -
SCHHA  12    -    9    -   11    5   20   11    -   14    -   11    7    -    -
SLAST   4    -    -    -    7    5    6    -    -    1    -    -    -    -    -
STOEN  61    -   34   58   69   44   45   15   40   41    8   44    -    -    -
        36    -   20   23   43   29   31   18   30   25    6   33    -    -    -
        54    -   28   47   89   48   46   26   48   43    7   42    -    -    -
STRJO  12    5    -    1    4    2   23   14    -   17    -    2    1    1    -
        11   13    -    -   10    -   29   34    -   31    -   15    4    -    -
        12    5    -    -    8    -   26   24    -   22    -    2    -    -    -
TEPIS  27   24    -    -   17   16   24    -    -    -    -   13    -    -    8
YRJIL   1    -    -   33    9    -   19    1   15   34   26   13   38   45   30
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sum   642  184  222  340  669  576  768  555  348  543  258  555  130  134  289

Sep    16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29   30
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BENOR   -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -   12    -    -   19    8
         -    -    -    -    -    3    -    -    5    1    8    8    -    -   11
BRIBE  16   31   38    6   19   43   31    -   27   50   42   35    1    -    -
CASFL   -    8   17   18    4    9   18   16    6    -    -    -   15   22    3
         1   22    -    -    -    -   27   31    7    -    -    -   25   32    4
CRIST   6   26    1   30    -   41   58   41   56   20   32   30   40    6    -
         -    3    1    -    -    2    1    6    8   19   24    -    -    -    -
ELTMA   -    -    -    -    -    -   31   12   15   12   35   18   18   15    3
GONRU  19    -    -   49   55   46   56    4   57   51   46    4   44    -   19
        14    -    -   23   20   34   27    -   27   26   23   10   12    -    8
GOVMI   -    -    3    5   19   27   41   34   11   12   27   34   24   25    7
HERCA   9    9   10    6    9   11    9   11   14   10   10    9    4    9    7
        30   30   14   15   19   25   21   27   25   25   30   28   18   22   13
HINWO   -    -    -    1    8   23   17   28    -    2   39   10    1   20   39
IGAAN   6    -   25   31   23   34   27   28   24    -   46   19   18    -   23
JOBKL 108   95    -   38   25   83   70    -  103    -    -   40    -    -    -
KACJA   -    -    1    3   11   16    -   21    2   12   13   12   17   15    -
         -    2    -    8    3    6   16    9    3    2   15    8   12    3    -
         -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
         -    -    -    -    -    -   18    6    -    -    -    -    -    -    -
KOSDE  14    7   11    7   11    8    7    -    8   11    6    5    -    -    -
LUNRO  47   48    1    -    4   55   35    7   64   57   32   42    -    2    -
MOLSI   -    -    -   89   92   95   99   77  105   87  149  153   75   62   19
         -    -    1   15   23   22   18   15    8   13   35   29   14   16    8
        23   22   33   26    7   17   28    9   27   34   30   34    -   26    2
        40   35   63   53   14   23   50    7   57   36   55   51    1   25    1
OCHPA   -    -    -   18    8   12   19   14    2    -   10   25   23   39    -
SCHHA   -   16    7   10   14   27   13    -   26   13   21    8    -    -    1
SLAST   -    9    3    8    -   12   23    5    7    -    8    5    6    3    -
STOEN   -   18   17   51   38   32   54   46   35   22   71   40   46   16    2
         -    6    7   24   18   20   37   44   16   12   30   29   20    4    4
         -   17    9   39   30   33   66   60   20    8   68   46   51   18    8
STRJO   -   16   28    7    -   27   12    -    9    5    9    5    -    2    -
        32   23   38   25    -   37   28    -    -    6   26   20    -    -    -
        12    6   20   15    -   17   11    -    -    1   21   12    -    -    -
TEPIS   -    -    -   19   13   12   20   17    7   13   22    8    9    -    -
YRJIL  21   31    9   23   21    4    -   35   52   27   25    2   17   21   27
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sum   398  480  357  662  508  856  988  610  833  587 1020  779  511  422  217

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Hello,
�
My husband and I were thrilled and amazed to see a meteor(?) on Saturday
November 7th while standing on the beach in Monterey, California.� The thrilling
thing was that the meteor appeared right after the sun set so it was still very
much daylight.� I didn't know this was possible.� And it was so bright, almost a
golden shimmering color,�and large that we thought the sun was reflecting on a
landing airplane or something but then it disappeared.� The other amazing thing
was that it left behind a jagged trail in the sky similar to what an airplane
would leave in the right conditions.� There were other airplanes leaving trails
in the sky and this one was very different.� Where the airplanes and clouds were
reflecting the orange/pink setting sun, this trail was a bluish/green/white
color that appeared to glow, possibly reflecting the sunlight differently. �The
airplane trails disappeared after a few minutes but this glowing trail was in
the sky for
  20plus minutes.
�
My husband and I were in awe and are wondering what it was that we saw.� Can you
shed any light on this for us since we have no knowledge in this subject?
�
Thank you,
�
Heidi Sacks
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The AMS online fireball report form was not working
("404 Not Found").

7/8 November 2009

18:46:00 November 7 local (Central Standard) time
00:46:00 November 8 UTC (within about 5 seconds)

San Antonio, Texas, USA (29.40 North, 98.66 West)

magnitude estimate -8

appeared near zenith, crossed Cygnus near Alberio
going northwest, disappeared at about 60 degrees
altitude at azimuth about 315; traversed about 30
degrees of sky; track pointed back towards Pegasus

lasted about 2 seconds

color was yellow-white to orange with some green
fringing

had a wake or train

a bit of minor sparking (minor fragmentation?)

I was showing a Hubble Space Telescope pass to
my mother when this fireball appeared.  A few
minutes earlier we had watched a very bright
(-4) pass of the International Space Station.
Of course Jupiter was very prominent in the
sky.  This fireball was obviously way brighter
than they were!  I had time to say, "Look!
Look!", and she said "Where?" and did see the
last one-half to one second of the fireball.

Fireballs are great!

Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA




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Video meteors, Aug. 19/20 2009

200908 Start End  Teff   vLm   Cf
------------------------------------------------------------------
19.830 1921-2028  1.105 4.00  1.00  Tot:2  PER:1 CAP:1
19.876 2028-2135  1.116 4.00  1.00  Tot:1  *NC:1
19.923 2135-2242  1.117 4.00  1.00  Tot:3  SPO:2 *IA:1
19.969 2242-2349  1.116 4.19  1.00  Tot:4  SPO:1 PER:1 *BO:1 *CY:1
20.016 2349-0056  1.116 4.20  1.00  Tot:6  SPO:4 PER:1 *BT:1
20.062 0056-0203  1.116 4.20  1.00  Tot:9  SPO:2 PER:3 *BT:1 *DA:2 *CA:1
20.110 0203-0313  1.166 4.20  1.00  Tot:8  SPO:6 PER:1 *IA:1
------------------------------------------------------------------
*** UT 1921-0313  7.851 4.11  1.00  Tot:33

RADIANTS  (name, radiant, max, shift, vel) (UAI db Vers. 20.4)
SPO: 15         Sporadics
PER: 7          Perseids  045,58  Aug.12 +1.3,+0.2 59
*BT: 2          beta-TRI  030,36  Aug.12 +1.2,+0.4 68
*IA: 2          iota-AQRn+NDA-IMO  350,00  Aug.25 +1.0,+0.1 31
*DA: 2          delta-AQR-N  342,03  Aug.9 +0.9,+0.3 40
*BO: 1          Bootids  233,52  Aug.10 +1.0,-0.1 18
*CY: 1          August-alpha-CYG  315,48  Aug.24 +1.0,+0.1 30
*CA: 1          August-CAS  017,59  Aug.10 +1.0,-0.1 55
*NC: 1          eta-CET-N  020,-12  Sep.2 +0.9,-0.2 40
CAP: 1          alpha-Capricornids  307,-10  Aug.1 +0.9,+0.2 24

MAGNITUDE DISTRIBUTION  ( range [-4,+5] )
Tot : 0.5(-2) 7.0(-1) 13.5(0) 9.0(1) 3.0(2)  mean: 0.21

SPO : 4(-1) 5.0(0) 4.5(1) 1.5(2)  mean: 0.23
PER : 1.5(-1) 3.0(0) 2.5(1)  mean: 0.14
*BT : 0.5(-1) 1.0(0) 0.5(1)  mean: 0.00
*IA : 1.0(0) 1.0(1)  mean: 0.50
*DA : 0.5(-2) 0.5(-1) 1.0(0)  mean: -0.75
*BO : 0.5(-1) 0.5(0)  mean: -0.50
*CY : 1.0(0)  mean: 0.00
*CA : 1.0(0)  mean: 0.00
*NC : 1.0(2)  mean: 2.00
CAP : 0.5(1) 0.5(2)  mean: 1.50

NOTES

Obs: Maurizio ELTRI (ELTMA)
Loc: Venezia Lido (VE), Italy, +45.41284 -12.370757 +10 (IMO code 14230)
VideoCamera ccd: MET38 Ob.3,8 f:0,8 (field 89.2x68.6) + MetRec_41


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11 Nov 2009 02:00-04:00 UT (CST 10/11 Nov 08:00-10:00 pm)

Long: 93 deg 34 min W  Lat: 42 deg 05 min N  Elevation: 318 meters

A dismal report.  The atmospheric conditions allowed persistent, spreading jet
contrails.  During the two hour period often there were three jets in my field
of view, sometimes four jets in my field of view.  The spreading contrails over
Ames in the Southwest were brightly lit, reflecting light into the Eastern sky. 
I presume most of the jets were traveling between Chicago and Denver.  After
04:00 UT I gave up and went home because of worsening conditions.

02:00-03:00; 42 deg F; dew pt 31 deg F; wind SE 3 mph; "clear" with spreading
jet contrails; LM 5.3; facing E 50 deg; total teff 1.0 hour
UT      mag     type     comment
02:01  +3        Spor
02:05  +3        Spor
0210   +2        AND  yellow; slow
02:43  +3        Spor
AND: one: +2
NTA: none
STA: none
Sporadics: three: +3(3)
Total meteors: four

03:00-04:00; 41 deg F; dew pt 31 deg F; calm; "clear" with spreading jet
contrails - sky gradually worsening - average LM 5.0 for the hour; facing East
50 deg; total teff 1.0 hour
UT     mag    type    comment
03:19  +1      NTA
AND: none
NTA: one: +1
STA: none
Sporadics: none
Total meteors: one
At least I know that no bright meteors occurred in my field of view during the
this hour.
I have not been impressed with the Taurids this year.  Maybe I am just unlucky
with the nights that are clear and the times I go out?





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Video meteors, Aug. 18/19 2009

200908 Start End  Teff   vLm   Cf
------------------------------------------------------------------
18.812 1858-2000  1.031 4.00  1.00  Tot:1  PER:1
18.855 2000-2102  1.033 4.00  1.00  Tot:2  PER:2
18.898 2102-2204  1.032 4.00  1.00  Tot:4  SPO:3 PER:1
18.941 2204-2306  1.033 4.00  1.00  Tot:5  SPO:3 PER:2
18.984 2306-0008  1.033 4.06  1.00  Tot:5  SPO:2 PER:1 *CY:1 *DS:1
19.027 0008-0110  1.033 4.10  1.00  Tot:9  SPO:4 PER:1 *ER:1 *QL:2 *NC:1
19.070 0110-0212  1.032 4.10  1.00  Tot:6  SPO:3 *ER:1 SIA:1 *DA:1
19.113 0212-0312  1.000 4.10  1.00  Tot:5  SPO:4 PER:1
------------------------------------------------------------------
*** UT 1858-0312  8.226 4.04  1.00  Tot:37

RADIANTS  (name, radiant, max, shift, vel) (UAI db Vers. 20.4)
SPO: 19         Sporadics
PER: 9          Perseids  045,58  Aug.12 +1.3,+0.2 59
*ER: 2          pi-epsilon-ERI  052,-15  Aug.29 +0.8,+0.2 59
*QL: 2          August-AQL  296,00  Aug.10 +0.8,0.0 21
SIA: 1          S-iota-Aquarids  334,-13  Aug.4 +1.1,+0.2 36
*CY: 1          August-alpha-CYG  315,48  Aug.24 +1.0,+0.1 30
*DA: 1          delta-AQR-N  342,03  Aug.9 +0.9,+0.3 40
*NC: 1          eta-CET-N  020,-12  Sep.2 +0.9,-0.2 40
*DS: 1          S-delta-AQR+SDA  339,-17  Jul.28 +0.8,+0.2 43

MAGNITUDE DISTRIBUTION  ( range [-4,+5] )
Tot : 1.0(-2) 1.5(-1) 11.0(0) 16.5(1) 6.5(2) 0.5(3)  mean: 0.74

SPO : 6(0) 8.5(1) 4.5(2)  mean: 0.92
PER : 1.0(-2) 0.5(-1) 1.5(0) 4.5(1) 1.0(2) 0.5(3)  mean: 0.61
*ER : 1.0(0) 1.0(1)  mean: 0.50
*QL : 1.0(1) 1.0(2)  mean: 1.50
SIA : 1.0(0)  mean: 0.00
*CY : 1.0(1)  mean: 1.00
*DA : 1.0(-1)  mean: -1.00
*NC : 0.5(0) 0.5(1)  mean: 0.50
*DS : 1.0(0)  mean: 0.00

NOTES

Moon from 0247 UT to 0312 UT

Obs: Maurizio ELTRI (ELTMA)
Loc: Venezia Lido (VE), Italy, +45.41284 -12.370757 +10 (IMO code 14230)
VideoCamera ccd: MET38 Ob.3,8 f:0,8 (field 89.2x68.6) + MetRec_41

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Video meteors, Aug. 17/18 2009

200908 Start End  Teff   vLm   Cf
------------------------------------------------------------------
17.823 1910-2019  1.138 3.80  1.00  Tot:2  PER:2
17.870 2019-2128  1.150 3.80  1.00  Tot:2  KCG:1 *BT:1
17.918 2128-2237  1.148 3.73  1.00  Tot:8  SPO:1 PER:3 *DA:2 *CA:1 CAP:1
17.966 2237-2346  1.149 3.82  1.00  Tot:9  SPO:5 PER:2 KCG:1 *IA:1
18.014 2346-0055  1.149 4.00  1.00  Tot:13  SPO:5 PER:6 *DA:1 *DS:1
18.062 0055-0204  1.149 4.00  1.00  Tot:4  SPO:2 PER:1 *CY:1
18.109 0204-0310  1.100 4.00  1.00  Tot:5  SPO:3 PER:1 SIA:1
------------------------------------------------------------------
*** UT 1910-0310  7.984 3.88  1.00  Tot:43

RADIANTS  (name, radiant, max, shift, vel) (UAI db Vers. 20.4)
SPO: 16         Sporadics
PER: 15         Perseids  045,58  Aug.12 +1.3,+0.2 59
*DA: 3          delta-AQR-N  342,03  Aug.9 +0.9,+0.3 40
KCG: 2          kappa-Cygnids-IMO  286,59  Aug.17 0.0,0.0 25
*CA: 1          August-CAS  017,59  Aug.10 +1.0,-0.1 55
CAP: 1          alpha-Capricornids  307,-10  Aug.1 +0.9,+0.2 24
*BT: 1          beta-TRI  030,36  Aug.12 +1.2,+0.4 68
SIA: 1          S-iota-Aquarids  334,-13  Aug.4 +1.1,+0.2 36
*CY: 1          August-alpha-CYG  315,48  Aug.24 +1.0,+0.1 30
*IA: 1          iota-AQRn+NDA-IMO  350,00  Aug.25 +1.0,+0.1 31
*DS: 1          S-delta-AQR+SDA  339,-17  Jul.28 +0.8,+0.2 43

MAGNITUDE DISTRIBUTION  ( range [-4,+5] )
Tot : 2(-1) 9.0(0) 24(1) 8(2)  mean: 0.88

SPO : 0.5(-1) 3.5(0) 8.5(1) 3.5(2)  mean: 0.94
PER : 1.0(-1) 2.5(0) 8.5(1) 3.0(2)  mean: 0.90
*DA : 0.5(0) 2(1) 0.5(2)  mean: 1.00
KCG : 1.0(0) 1.0(1)  mean: 0.50
*CA : 1.0(0)  mean: 0.00
CAP : 0.5(-1) 0.5(0)  mean: -0.50
*BT : 1.0(1)  mean: 1.00
SIA : 1.0(1)  mean: 1.00
*CY : 1.0(1)  mean: 1.00
*IA : 1.0(2)  mean: 2.00
*DS : 1.0(1)  mean: 1.00

NOTES

Moon from 0123 UT to 0310 UT

Obs: Maurizio ELTRI (ELTMA)
Loc: Venezia Lido (VE), Italy, +45.41284 -12.370757 +10 (IMO code 14230)
VideoCamera ccd: MET38 Ob.3,8 f:0,8 (field 89.2x68.6) + MetRec_41

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Kazakhstan Meteor/Meteorite News- Kazakhstan Meteor over Atomic Power Station
reported 11NOV09
Фото РИА Новости Виталий Аньков
В небе над томской АЭС сгорел метеорит

Vesti.kz - Almaty,Kazakhstan
В небе над Томском недалеко от действующей
атомной электростанции сгорел каменный
метеорит, сообщает Life News. След падения
небесного тела на камеру... [more]

Russian-English machine translation:
In the sky above the Tomsk atomic power station the meteorite has burned down
Vesti.kz - Almaty,Kazakhstan
The trace of falling of a heavenly body on the chamber of a cellular telephone
was fixed in the evening on the last Tuesday, on November, 10th, by the 20-years
native of village Tahtamyshevo. ... [more]

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Dear meteor friends,

Just to note that we have updated the Leonid webpage at Armagh Observatory
with predictions for 2009 by David Asher:

http://www.arm.ac.uk/leonid/

David's predictions essentially confirm those of Mikhail Maslov, Jeremie
Vaubaillon, Esko Lyytinen ...

Obviously it is very important to test these predictions with observations.
However, it would be even more interesting if we manage to find an outburst
that was NOT predicted !  Hence, observations at ANY moment throughout next
week would be very valuable. An automatically updated Leonid ZHR graph is
available on the IMO site (but still empty now).

Clear skies!
Geert
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 2009 Leonids
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:32:03 -0500
From: meteors@...
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

For the second month in a row, observers will enjoy a moon free peak of
a major shower. This time around it is the Leonids. Most years the
Leonids produce about 12 meteors per hour at maximum. But the Leonids
have been a bit of a surprise in the past few years, and 2009 may
continue this trend. There are some predictions that the ZHR will be 100
or more, so if at all possible, do not let this opportunity pass you by.

For a more in-depth discussion of this possible enhance activity, I
suggest you take a look at the following website of the International
Meteor Organization:

http://www.imo.net/calendar/2009#leo

In a nutshell though, the prime period appears to be November 17/18. The
moon will be new on the 16th, so will be of little concern. If the
predictions are true, Asia will be in the prime spot, but high rates may
be experienced over much of the world. The radiant, near the Sickle,
doesn't rise sufficiently until around midnight, so plan accordingly.

Here are the basic shower characteristics:

Leonids
Active:  November 10-21
Maximum:  November 17
ZHR = 100+?
Radiant: 152 deg +22 deg     RA = 10h08m     DEC = +22
Velocity = 71 km/s

For more information on the Leonid meteor shower, I recommend the
following excellent website:

http://meteorshowersonline.com/leonids.html

For more information on how to plan and carry out your Leonid watch, you
may contact me at the email address below. Additional information is
available on the website of the North American Meteor Network.

Clear skies!

Mark Davis
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North American Meteor Network
http://www.namnmeteors.org

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night            2009-11-09/10
begin            2009-11-09 1444
end              2009-11-09 1714
observer         "Mikhail" "Maslov" "MASMI"
location         82 56 38 E, 54 56 24 N
site             "Novosibirsk" "Russia"
reporter         "feraj@..."

An observation 9/10 November 2009. Again in the evening time, so conditions were
not great,
lm=5.3. Temperature was a bit warmer than in the previos night (-14C in the
beginning,
-15C in the end). Observed meteor activity was very low - 4 meteors during
Teff=1.97h,
one of them was quite spectacular Taurid of -2mag, 3 seconds duration.

Individual meteor data:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|Time, .|dur-n|velo-|Brt. |Show.|Remarks............................|
| UT ...|. s. |city |mag. |.....|...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 20:46 | 0.3 | 003 | 2.0 | SPO |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 21:25 | 0.3 | 005 | 0.0 | SPO |trail 3 sec........................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 22:24 | 3.0 | 003 |-2.0 | TAU |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 22:47 | 0.7 | 003 | 3.0 | TAU |...................................|
---------------------------------------------------------------------

// Shower section
shower  TAU 052 +16
shower  SPO

// Number section
//      Interval        RA      Dec     Teff    F       Lm         TAU     SPO
period  1444-1544       048     +75     0.980   1.00    5.30     P   0   P   2
period  1614-1714       048     +75     0.980   1.00    5.30     P   2   P   0

// Magnitude section
//              Show    Interval     -6    -5    -4    -3    -2    -1    +0   
+1    +2    +3    +4    +5    +6    +7    Tot
distribution    TAU     1444-1714     -     -     -     -   1.0     -     -    
-     -   1.0     -     -     -     -    2.0
distribution    SPO     1444-1714     -     -     -     -     -     -   1.0    
-   1.0     -     -     -     -     -    2.0

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I observed for an hour before moonrise Friday evening from my dark sky site on
the Big Island of Hawaii. There appeared to be some higher activity (?) from the
ETT shower, seeing 2 members in an hour compared to 2 each for the NTA and STA.
This seems higher than expected. Any other observations to confirm this activity
would be useful!

Mike

REPORT FOLLOWS:
===============
OBS: Mike Linnolt (LINMI)
DATE: Nov 07, 2009
TIME: 0618 - 0720 UT
LOC: Ocean View, Hawaii ( 19 05'N, 155 45'W )
ELEV: 700m (2300 ft)
Conditions: Clear. Temp 19C (66F).
METHOD: Paper


Observing Periods Summary:
==========================

# Period(UT) FOV    Teff   F    LM   NTA STA ETT SPO
- ---------- ---    ----   -    ---  --- --- --- ---
1 0618-0720 01h+10  1.00  1.0   6.5   2   2   2   7


Periods Detail:
===============

Period #1:
----------
Mag -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1  0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
------------------------------------------
NTA: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0  0  0 = 2
STA: 0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 = 2
ETT: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2  0  0 = 2
SPO: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  4  2 = 7

DEAD TIME: 2 min

END OF REPORT





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I observed for an hour before moonrise Friday evening from my dark sky site on
the Big Island of Hawaii. There appeared to be some higher activity (?) from the
ETT shower, seeing 2 members in an hour compared to 2 each for the NTA and STA.
This seems higher than expected. Any other observations to confirm this activity
would be useful!

Mike

REPORT FOLLOWS:
===============
OBS: Mike Linnolt (LINMI)
DATE: Nov 07, 2009
TIME: 0618 - 0720 UT
LOC: Ocean View, Hawaii ( 19 05'N, 155 45'W )
ELEV: 700m (2300 ft)
Conditions: Clear. Temp 19C (66F).
METHOD: Paper


Observing Periods Summary:
==========================

# Period(UT) FOV    Teff   F    LM   NTA STA ETT SPO
- ---------- ---    ----   -    ---  --- --- --- ---
1 0618-0720 01h+10  1.00  1.0   6.5   2   2   2   7


Periods Detail:
===============

Period #1:
----------
Mag -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1  0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6
------------------------------------------
NTA: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0  0  0 = 2
STA: 0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0 = 2
ETT: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  2  0  0 = 2
SPO: 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  4  2 = 7

DEAD TIME: 2 min

END OF REPORT




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I was inspired by Paul Martshing's example and decided to watch meteors before
the moon rose.  Unfortunately, I was drowsy during the first session and I have
deducted 10 minutes Teff for that reason.  I also found it difficult to fix my
attention to the sky because of all the planes flying from the southwest toward
airports northeast of my observing station.  Strobe lights from the planes can
simulate edge-of-vision meteors or point source meteors.  These two distractions
may have cost me some meteors.  However, I believe the below is a reasonably
accurate report of what I saw.


Location: Bel Alton, Maryland, USA

Date/ Time: 9 Nov 2009, 2:00-11:05 UT

2:00-3:05 UT: Lm=5.2, F=1.00, Teff= 0.92, Drowsiness affected alertness.

NTA:  +2, +3
SPO:   +1 (2), +3

3:18-4:05 UT, Lm=4.8, F=1.09, Teff= 0.78, Moonrise predicted at 3:49 UT

STA: +2

Best wishes

Rich Taibi

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As seen from the northern hemisphere, meteor rates continue to be strong in
November. While no major showers are active this month, the two Taurid
radiants plus the Leonids keep the skies active. The addition of strong
sporadic rates make November one of the better months to view meteor
activity from north of the equator. Skies are fairly quiet as seen from the
southern hemisphere this month. Activity from the three showers mentioned
above may be seen from south of the equator, but the sporadic rates are much
lower than those seen in the northern hemisphere.

During this period the moon reaches its last quarter phase on Monday
November 9th. On that date the moon lies ninety degrees west of the sun and
rises near midnight local standard time (LST). While not the most favorable
conditions, successful meteor observations can be undertaken at this time if
one keeps the moon out of your field of view. Conditions improve with each
passing night this week as the moon wanes and rises later each morning. The
estimated total hourly rates for evening observers this week is near four as
seen from the northern hemisphere and two from the southern hemisphere. For
morning observers the estimated total hourly rates should be near fifteen
from the northern hemisphere and eight as seen from the southern hemisphere.
The actual rates will also depend on factors such as personal light and
motion perception, local weather conditions, alertness and experience in
watching meteor activity. Rates are reduced by moonlight during the morning
hours during this period.

The radiant positions and rates listed below are exact for Saturday
night/Sunday morning November 7/8. These positions do not change greatly day
to day so the listed coordinates may be used during this entire period. Most
star atlases (available at science stores and planetariums) will provide
maps with grid lines of the celestial coordinates so that you may find out
exactly where these positions are located in the sky. A planisphere or
computer planetarium program is also useful in showing the sky at any time
of night on any date of the year. Activity from each radiant is best seen
when it is positioned highest in the sky, either due north or south along
the meridian, depending on your latitude. It must be remembered that meteor
activity is rarely seen at the radiant position. Rather they shoot outwards
from the radiant so it is best to center your field of view so that the
radiant lies at the edge and not the center. Viewing there will allow you to
easily trace the path of each meteor back to the radiant (if it is a shower
member) or in another direction if it is a sporadic. Meteor activity is not
seen from radiants that are located below the horizon. The positions below
are listed in a west to east manner in order of right ascension (celestial
longitude). The positions listed first are located further west therefore
are accessible earlier in the night while those listed further down the list
rise later in the night.

The following showers are expected to be active this week:

Sirko Molau's studies of video radiants has revealed that activity from the
famous Andromedid shower, noted for intense storms during the 19th century,
may still be seen throughout November. The current position of the large
radiant is 01:27 (022) +27. This position lies in a spase area of
northeastern Pisces. The nearest bright star star is third magnitude Alpha
Trianguli, which lies five degrees to the northeast. Visual activity is
expected to be low, but detectable. The Andromedid radiant is best placed
near 2200 (10pm) LST when it lies on the meridian. At 20km/sec., the average
Andromedid will appear as a very slow moving meteor. Sirko mentions that
these meteors are "conspicuously slow and of almost constant activity"
during this period.

The Northern Taurids (NTA) are active from a large radiant centered at 03:42
(056) +22, which lies in western Taurus, three degrees southwest of the
famous naked eye star cluster known as the Pleiades. The radiant is best
placed near 0100 LST, when it lies highest above the horizon, but activity
may be seen all night long. Meteors from the Northern Taurids strike the
atmosphere at 29km/sec., which would produce meteors of slow velocity.
Expected rates would be near three per hour as seen from the northern
hemisphere and two per hour as seen south of the equator.

The center of the large Southern Taurid (STA) radiant lies at 03:45 (056)
+14. This position lies in western Taurus, ten degrees south of the famous
naked eye star cluster known as the Pleiades. The radiant is best placed
near 0100 LST, when it lies highest above the horizon, but activity may be
seen all night long. Striking the atmosphere at 29 km/sec., the average
Southern Taurid meteor travels slowly through the skies. Rates should be
near two per hour no matter your location.

The Orionids (ORI) reached maximum activity on the nights of October 21 and
22. Rates have fallen since then and will do so until the last Orionids are
seen near November 14. The radiant is currently located at 07:17 (109) +16.
This position lies in southern Gemini very close to the fourth magnitude
star Lambda Geminorum. The radiant is best placed near 0500 LST, when it
lies highest above the horizon. Current rates would be less than one per
hour. At 66km/sec., the average Orionid is swift.

The Leonids (LEO) are just now coming to life from a radiant located at
09:52 (148) +25. This position lies in western Leo, very close to the
position of the faint star 22 Leonis. Maximum activity is still more than a
week away so current rates would most likely be less than one per hour. At
70km/sec., the average Leonid is swift with a high percentage of trains. The
radiant is most favorably located during the last dark hour before the onset
of morning twilight.

As seen from the mid-northern hemisphere (45N) one would expect to see
approximately ten Sporadic meteors per hour during the last hour before dawn
as seen from rural observing sites. Evening rates would be near three per
hour. As seen from the mid-southern hemisphere (45S), morning rates would be
near four per hour as seen from rural observing sites and one per hour
during the evening hours. Locations between these two extremes would see
activity between the listed figures. Sporadic rates seen during the morning
hours are reduced during this period due to moonlight.

The table below presents a condensed version of the expected activity this
week. Rates and positions are exact for Saturday night/Sunday morning but
may be used all week long.

Andromedids (AND)   - 01:27 (022) +27 Velocity - 19km/sec.
Northern Hemisphere - <1 per hr. Southern Hemisphere - <1 per hr.

Northern Taurids (NTA)   - 03:42 (056) +22   Velocity - 29km/sec.
Northern Hemisphere - 2 per hr. Southern Hemisphere - 3 per hr.

Southern Taurids (STA)  - 03:45 (056) +14   Velocity - 29km/sec.
Northern Hemisphere - 2 per hr. Southern Hemisphere - 2 per hr.

Orionids (ORI)  - 07:17 (109) +16   Velocity - 67km/sec.
Northern Hemisphere - <1 per hr. Southern Hemisphere - <1 per hr.

Leonids (LEO)  - 09:52 (148) +25   Velocity - 70km/sec.
Northern Hemisphere - <1 per hr. Southern Hemisphere - <1 per hr.

*For a detailed explanation on the different classes of meteor showers and
other astronomical terms, please visit:
http://www.amsmeteors.org/showers.html#X2009

Clear Skies!
Robert Lunsford
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The mystery light flash has now been identified as a satellite called
ETS-7. Maximum brightness for this particular sat is listed at magnitude
2.4 when 100% illuminated so when it appeared at mag -6 it was
abnormally bright.

Thomas  /  New Mexico

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Interesting video, Tom. It's a perfect point of light. Hard to tell what it
  might be, though.

Anthony



In a message dated 11/8/2009 12:37:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ashcraft@... writes:

November  8, 2009  0043:20 UT  ( Nov 7, 2009   1743:20  MST)

Last evening I captured what I assumed was a satellite flash,  possibly
an Iridium flare, but I could not find any listed sats that were  in the
vicinity at the moment of the flash. I asked about unlisted sats on  the
satellite observer list but no sats were predicted at that  time.

Hence, I think the capture might be a point source meteor.   But.......
now I am wondering if this flash could have been from further  out in
space...like a nova or other form of burster of some sort? But I  don't
know where to check on nova-like events.

In any case, I  posted the image and movies in both .mp4 and .wmv windows
formats.

http://www.heliotown.com/Unidentified_Satellite.html

Any  possible clues to help identify this event are welcome.

I am thanking  you in advance.

Thomas Ashcraft
New  Mexico
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An observation 8/9 November 2009. The sky finally cleared with quite frosty
temperature
(-15C at the beginning. -16C at the end). The lm was still very modest due to
lying
  snow and intense light pollution in the early evening. So far observed meteor
activity
was not high. During Teff=1.96h I saw 5 meteors. Two of them were Taurids, of
-1.5 and 2 mag.

night            2009-11-08/09
begin            2009-11-08 1317
end              2009-11-08 1546
observer         "Mikhail" "Maslov" "MASMI"
location         82 56 38 E, 54 56 24 N
site             "Novosibirsk" "Russia"
reporter         "feraj@..."

Individual meteor data:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
|Time, .|dur-n|velo-|Brt. |Show.|Remarks............................|
| UT ...|. s. |city |mag. |.....|...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 13:54 | 0.3 | 003 | 4.0 | SPO |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 14:55 | 0.5 | 002 | 3.0 | SPO |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 15:02 | 0.3 | 004 | 0.0 | SPO |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 15:26 | 0.7 | 003 |-1.5 | TAU |...................................|
|-------|-----|-----|-----|-----------------------------------------|
| 15:28 | 1.0 | 003 | 2.0 | TAU |...................................|
---------------------------------------------------------------------

// Shower section
shower  TAU 052 +16
shower  SPO

// Number section
//      Interval        RA      Dec     Teff    F       Lm         TAU     SPO
period  1317-1417       308     +52     0.990   1.00    5.30     P   0   P   1
period  1446-1546       308     +52     0.970   1.00    5.30     P   2   P   2

// Magnitude section
//              Show    Interval     -6    -5    -4    -3    -2    -1    +0   
+1    +2    +3    +4    +5    +6    +7    Tot
distribution    TAU     1317-1546     -     -     -     -   0.5   0.5     -    
-   1.0     -     -     -     -     -    2.0
distribution    SPO     1317-1546     -     -     -     -     -     -   1.0    
-     -   1.0   1.0     -     -     -    3.0

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Thomas,

I think it is a close-in artificial object. The early morning Sun could
easily produce a bright reflection like this off of a Military or foreign
satellite and I see no trace of lateral movement or any subtle variations in
the intensity as it waxes and wanes.
I think if a light curve were done on the files, it will rule out a point
source (head-on) meteor and likely rule out a stellar object from the
linearity in the intensity.
(FWIW...)

YCSentinel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Ashcraft" <ashcraft@...>
To: "Global Meteor Observing Forum" <meteorobs@...>
Sent: 2009/11/08 09:37
Subject: (meteorobs) Interesting capture- still to be identified


> November 8, 2009  0043:20 UT  ( Nov 7, 2009   1743:20 MST)
>
> Last evening I captured what I assumed was a satellite flash, possibly
> an Iridium flare, but I could not find any listed sats that were in the
> vicinity at the moment of the flash. I asked about unlisted sats on the
> satellite observer list but no sats were predicted at that time.
>
> Hence, I think the capture might be a point source meteor.  But.......
> now I am wondering if this flash could have been from further out in
> space...like a nova or other form of burster of some sort? But I don't
> know where to check on nova-like events.
>
> In any case, I posted the image and movies in both .mp4 and .wmv windows
> formats.
>
> http://www.heliotown.com/Unidentified_Satellite.html
>
> Any possible clues to help identify this event are welcome.
>
> I am thanking you in advance.
>
> Thomas Ashcraft
> New Mexico
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The latest report was for Oct 31-Nov 6 (posted here by Robert on Oct 30). If
you miss one, you can always get the latest at
http://www.amsmeteors.org/lunsford/

Chris

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Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristi Wenger" <me109cita_34@...>
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: (meteorobs) Activity Outlook??


> Just wondering if there's a Activity Outlook for November??  The last one
> I got was for October 17-23.  Thanks!
> Kristi Wenger

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