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To:       <photoconservation@yahoogroups.com>
From:     "Ecpa" <ECPA@...>
Date:     Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:37:41 +0200
Subject:  [lens] [photoconservation] New ECPA report `SEPIADES. Cataloguing
photographic
	 collections'
ReplyTo:  photoconservation@yahoogroups.com

This announcement is sent to multiple lists - apologies for
duplications for multiple subscribers.

*****

The European Commission on Preservation and Access (ECPA) just
published the report `SEPIADES. Cataloguing photographic
collections'. It aims to provide background information on the
SEPIADES (SEPIA Data Element Set) advisory report and software tool
that were developed in the framework of the SEPIA programme. SEPIA
stands for 'Safeguarding European Photographic Images for Access'
(SEPIA) (www.knaw.nl/ecpa/sepia).

SEPIADES is a multi-level data element set to catalogue photographic
collections. Apart from 21 core elements, it contains many
suggestions for use of specific, detailed elements. The report
explains about the motives behind SEPIADES, providing an introduction
to both the model and the software tool. It is aimed at all those
involved in cataloguing photographic collections, both cataloguers
and decision makers.

Copies of the report can be ordered on-line (16 euros plus postage
and handling costs*) or downloaded from the ECPA website free of
charge, see
     http://www.knaw.nl/ecpa/publications.html

For SEPIA publications see
     http://www.knaw.nl/ecpa/sepia/publications.html

*
- Within the Netherlands: 2.30 for the first item, 1.10 for every additional
item.
- In Europe: 4.00 for the first item, 2.00 for every additional item.
- Outside Europe:  8.00 for the first item, 3.00 for every additional item.


*******

European Commission on Preservation and Access (ECPA)
P.O. Box 19121, NL-1000 GC  Amsterdam,
visiting address: c/o KNAW, Trippenhuis, Kloveniersburgwal 29,
NL-1011 JV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
tel. ++31 - 20 - 551 08 39   fax  ++31 - 20 - 620 49 41
URL: http://www.knaw.nl/ecpa/

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  http://canadiancameraconference.ca - Nanaimo BC, June 25-7 2004
"The moment one gives close attention to anything,
even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious,
awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself "
-- Henry Miller, 1891-1980

Hundreds of photographers will gather in Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island,
British Columbia, for Picture the Islands, Canadian Camera Conference
2004.

The conference will run from June 25 to 27 (full days) with workshops
and field trips both prior to the event and after it. The Conference
will be hosted by Nanaimo’s Harbour City Photography Club, a member
organization of the Canadian Association for Photographic Art(CAPA).
Anyone interested in photography is welcome to attend the Conference.

Canadian Camera Conference is an annual event of CAPA, a non-profit
organization dedicated to helping photographers, from beginners to
professionals, improve their skills. CAPA also promotes photography as
an art form to the general public.

Registration: CAPA Member $260; Non-Member $290(~$220 US)

Speakers: http://www.ccc2004.org/mainpages/speaker.html
Speaker 						 Topic
     Doug Boult 				 Extending the Image
     John Burrage 			 Working With the Tools You’ve Got
     Wendy D 					 Changing Perspectives
     Val Davison 			 Artists Behind the Viewfinder
     Dag Goering 			 A Passion for Travel
     Wilf Hatch 				 The Basics and Beyond
     Leona Isaak
     Bill Jeffries 		 Images and Galleries
     Pat and Rosemarie Keough  Antarctica
     Barbara Kronemeyer  Finding the Niche Market
     Frances Litman 		 Profit From Your Passion
     Sharron Milstein 	 Lessons from Nature: Visual Design
     Stephen Patterson 	 Beyond Visual Barriers
     Silvia Pecota  		 Mixing Classics and Photography
     Roy Smyth 				 Photoshop: Learning what to learn
     John Taylor 			 Kallitype & Cyanotype
     Carole J. Valkenier  Underwater World

Agenda: http://www.ccc2004.org/mainpages/program.html

Workshops June 23, 24, 28 and 29.
     http://www.ccc2004.org/mainpages/workshops.html

Field trips June 23, 24 and June 28 to 30.
     http://www.ccc2004.org/mainpages/fieldtrips.html

http://CanadianCameraConference.ca

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  http://canadiancameraconference.ca - Nanaimo BC, June 25-7 2004
"The moment one gives close attention to anything,
even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious,
awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself "
-- Henry Miller, 1891-1980

*** N.B. - SPECIAL RATES for members extended to EP, CAPIC, NPPA, WCNPA

-------------------------------------------------------------------
INVITATION to Great White North Workshop 2003
-------------------------------------------------------------------

October 17-18, 2003
Hamilton, Ontario (1hr from Toronto, 1hr from Buffalo)

WORKSHOPS on Friday, October 17th and;
SPEAKERS on Saturday, October 18th

CAD$125 for two days;
CAD$85 for one day (member rate if mailed by Sept. 30)
(student rates apply with proper school ID)

WORKSHOPS: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/workshops.htm

TO REGISTER: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/GWNWRegForm.pdf

MORE INFO: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/gwnw.htm

HOTEL: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/hotel.htm
*special hotel rates must be booked early - limited space.

THE BLURB:
The Great White North Workshop (GWNW) is the Eastern Canadian News
Photographers Association's (ECNPA) answer to the constant demand,
from working professionals and students alike, to have a forum in
which to meet and exchange ideas as they strive for excellence in
their images.

The aim of the conference is to educate and inspire photojournalists
to strive for perfection in their profession by putting them in
contact with some of the best in the business. The annual event,
consisting of two days of workshops and speakers, continues to be a
discussion around many water coolers in newsrooms across the country.

WORKSHOPS include:
- Rob Galbraith a.k.a. "Digital Guru"  (Digital Workflow & Adobe
Photoshop seminars)
- Peter Sibbald (Business Practices from EP - Editorial Photographers)
- Dave Chidley, Staff Photographer, The London Free Press (Sports)
- Peter Bregg, Chief Photographer, Maclean's Magazine (Lighting)
- Moe Doiron , Deputy Photo Editor, The Globe and Mail (Photo Editing)
- Jason Ransom (Web Developing) bring your scanned images and laptop!
- Patti Gower, Staff Photographer The Globe and Mail (Documentary)

   FORUM: Media Ethics

PORTFOLIO REVIEWERS (Friday evening after workshops):
Ron Albertson - Hamilton Spectator Chief Photographer
(www.hamiltonspectator.com)
Carlo Allegri* - Getty Images Photographer (www.gettyimages.com)
Peter Bregg - Macleans Magazine Chief Photographer (www.macleans.ca)
Bob Carroll - Windsor Star Photo Editor (www.windsorstar.com)
Dave Chidley - London Free Press Photographer (www.lfpress.com)
Erin Elder - Globe and Mail Photo Editor (www.globeandmail.ca)
Steve Simon* - NYC-based Photographer (www.stevesimonphoto.com)
Phill Snel - Toronto-based Photographer (www.phillsnel.com)
Jason Ransom - Ottawa Sun Photographer (www.jasonransom.com)
Steve Russell - Toronto Star Photographer (www.thestar.ca)
Reg Vertolli - Oakville Beaver Photo Editor (www.oakvillebeaver.com)
* pending availability

SPEAKERS: to be confirmed, so stay tuned to
http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/gwnw.htm for headliners coming for the
weekend!

TO REGISTER: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/GWNWRegForm.pdf
MORE INFO: http://www.ecnpa.com/GWNW/gwnw.htm


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Bird photo competition with reasonable rules, ie, no use without payment,
will return photos, nice prizes.

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"The moment one gives close attention to anything,
even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious,
awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself --
Henry Miller, 1891-1980

June 28-30 - Canadian Camera Conference 2003 in Ottawa

CCC 2003 is an exciting weekend of first class photography
presentations and trade show events. It's all about the joy of
photography. Presentations will run concurrently in three
separate tracks broadly identified as Motivational, Digital,
and Technical. Many presentations will be offered twice.

CCC03 is a non-profit conference put on by CAPA and the RA Photo Club.

Major sponsors: Epson, Agfa, Kodak, Fuji, Booth Photographic

The price is as low as $260 Cdn (about $180 US)
Visa, MC, money orders, cheques accepted.

Presentations
     Steve McCurry (photographer of the "Afghan girl")
         Taking your Photography to the Next Level
     Terence Dickinson - Capturing the Night: Astronomical
          Photography
     Peter Van Rhijn - Blue Sapphire
     Hans Blohm - Pebbles to Computers
     Yuri Dojc - If You Don't Sit on the Edge...
             ....You're Taking Up Too Much Space
     Harry Nowell - Adventure Photography
     Paul Couvrette - The Karsh Brothers
     Jean-François O'Kane - Shooting in the Fast Lane
     Kevin Spreekmeester - Return Of The Pecking Penguin
     Jean Lemire - Arctic Mission
     Linda Anne Baker - Creating Magic:Evoking an Emotional Response
     Michael Runtz - Nature Photography:
            The know-how behind the know-how
     Hera S. Bell - Sensual People Next Door & Simply Canada
     Jean-Marc Carisse - Shadowing Three Prime Ministers
     Peter K. Burian - Digital or Conventional SLR
            Time to Switch?
     Irma Eibich - Polaroid Time-Zero Manipulation
     J.  David Andrews - Landscape and Visual Design
     Richard Martin - Discovering Your Own Visual Language
     Pat Martinson - Vision and Music for the Travel Photographer
     Gary W. Stanley - Exposure: Getting It Right the First Time
     Debra Grass - Digital Audio-Visual for Photographers
     Michelle Valberg - Daring to be Different

Additionally, some 16 different field trips and workshops
will be held in the week before and the week after the
conference. A trade show displaying the latest in digital
and conventional photo equipment runs all day Saturday.

Program sessions begin at 8:30 a.m. Saturday, June 28, and  ends
at 5:00 p.m. Monday, June 30. We expect 200-300 participants.

Details, registration: http://CanadianCameraConference.ca

June 28-30 - Canadian Camera Conference 2003 in Ottawa

CCC 2003 is an exciting weekend of first class photography presentations, and
trade show events. It's all about the joy of photography. Presentations will
run concurrently in three separate tracks broadly identified as Motivational,
Digital, and Technical. Many presentations will be offered twice.

Major sponsors: Epson, Agfa, Kodak, Fuji, Booth Photographic

The price is as low as $230 Cdn (about $160 US) UNTIL APRIL 30, when the price
increases.  Visa, MC, money orders, Canadian cheques accepted.

Presentations
SteveMcCurry (photographer of the "Afghan girl") Taking your Photography to
     the Next Level
TerenceDickinson - Capturing the Night: Astronomical Photography
PeterVan Rhijn - Blue Sapphire
HansBlohm - Pebbles to Computers
YuriDojc - If You Don't Sit on the Edge, You're Taking Up Too Much Space
HarryNowell - Adventure Photography
PaulCouvrette - The Karsh Brothers
Jean-FrançoisO'Kane - Shooting in the Fast Lane
KevinSpreekmeester - Return Of The Pecking Penguin
JeanLemire - Arctic Mission
LindaAnne Baker - Creating Magic: Evoking an Emotional Response
MichaelRuntz - Nature Photography:  the know-how behind the know-how
HeraS. Bell - Sensual People Next Door & Simply Canada - Part 1
Jean-MarcCarisse - Shadowing Three Prime Ministers
PeterK. Burian - Digital or Conventional SLR - Time to Switch?
IrmaEibich - Polaroid Time-Zero Manipulation
J.  David Andrews - Landscape and Visual Design
RichardMartin - Discovering Your Own Visual Language
Pat Martinson - Vision and Music for the Travel Photographer
GaryW. Stanley - Exposure:  Getting It Right the First Time
DebraGrass - Digital Audio-Visual for Photographers
MichelleValberg - Daring to be Different

Additionally, some 16 different field trips and workshops will be held in the
week before and the week after the conference. A trade show displaying the
latest in digital and conventional photo equipment runs all day Saturday.

Conference sessions take place at the University of Ottawa in the national
capital's downtown area, within walking distance of Parliament Hill, national
cultural centres, shopping facilities and the beautiful Rideau Canal and Ottawa

River. Stay an extra day and enjoy the fabulous Canada Day celebrations and
fireworks on July 1st.

The conference is hosted by different cities across Canada and this year it is
being held in Canada's capital, Ottawa. Ottawa is 40 miles north of New York
State and 100 miles east of Montréal, and is easily reached by train, air or
several 4-lane highways. That weekend, the temperature is usually in the 70s
and 80s F (20-30 C) and it is usually sunny.

There are several good hotels (including Westin, Novotel, Fairmont Chateau
Laurier) within walking distance, or use reserved suites in the nearby
university residence. These suites cost $85 Cdn per night for two, are air-
conditioned and have a kitchenette and two lockable bedrooms, each with TV.
There is also a lounge on each floor. The suites must be reserved by May 28 to
assure their availability. There is a email group to facilitate accommodation
sharing. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CCC-share

Or bring your boat and dock 200 feet away! See
http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/welcome.html

Program sessions begin at 8:30 a.m. Saturday, June 28, and end at 5:00 p.m.
Monday, June 30. We expect 200-300 participants.

Details, registration: http://CanadianCameraConference.ca


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http://www.CanadianCameraConference.ca
tOM Trottier, ICQ:57647974 http://abacurial.com
	 758 Albert St, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7V8
	 +1 613 860-6633 fax:231-6115 N45.412 W75.714
"The moment one gives close attention to anything,
even a blade of grass, it becomes a mysterious,
awesome, indescribably magnificent world in itself --
Henry Miller, 1891-1980

Hi Lisa,
You stumbled on one of the elements of my dilema: to have just the 645 format
camera in the Bronica and use it for pretty much everything or to spend less on
the 645 and also have a larger 6x9 or 6x7 camera.  Your message mentioned
getting the 45mmm for landscapes, have you enjoyed using the bronica for that
purpose?  I keep telling myself that if I went the Bronica route, I would still
have a negative that is so much larger than a slide.  Yet to have that
realllllllly big negative....
Also, for traveling light, as to a foreign country, if you had to choose, would
you take our fuji or the bronica?  My plan is that plus a digital p/s camera.
Thanks!

  Lisa Tang <pigmentia@...> wrote:Hi, Paul.

I own both the Bronica RF645 and the Fuji GA645 Zi.

I like both of them but still prefer the BRonica RF645
because I have more manual control over it. The only
thing is, I think I should buy the 45mm lens for the
Bronica for better landscapes, but that's about $700
more. Portraits are wonderful. I've done some
beautiful group portraits with the 65mm lens that
comes with the kit.

~lisa




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> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. advice needed
> From: "Paul
"
>

> 2. Re: advice needed
> From: smanga50
> 3. Re: Re: advice needed
> From: Paul

>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:26:02 -0000
> From: "Paul
"
>

> Subject: advice needed
>
> Ok, I need some advice. Over the next few weeks, I
> will be getting
> rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I don't
> plan to use,
> ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G. I figure I
> will have
> (hopefully) $1,200+ or so. Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> rangefinder camera(s) to buy. I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> stuff and travel. Here are the options I was
> considering:
> 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
> a. Graflex XLRF
> b. Mamiya Universal
> c. Baby graphic with roll film back
> d. Kodak Medalist II
> 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
>
> I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> the lens/film plane issue. If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to some
> narrow canyons
> (wide angle lens becomes a must). I would also
> consider a Koni –
> Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have the
> capability of a
> 6x9 negative. I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence selling the
> Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out.
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:22:16 -0000
> From: smanga50
> Subject: Re: advice needed
>
> Hi Paul,
> YOU seem quite sure about the effect of Film Plane
> and Film flatness.
> Suggest you go for the BRONICA 645. This has a
> Modern Meter and its
> 6x4.5 format is designed to hold the film real flat.
> Its only problem is when you have to shoot in
> 'LANDSCAPE' mode, therby
> turning the body vertical.
> Presentlyam using a PLAUBEL MAKINA 67 and enjoying
> that huge negative
> in landscape alone.
> Check out the BRONICA and if possible shoot a roll
> with it.
> The added advantage of interchangable lenses is
> there as well.
> Sunil Manga, INDIA.
>
>
>
>
> --- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
>
"
>
wrote:
> > Ok, I need some advice. Over the next few weeks,
> I will be getting
> > rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I
> don't plan to use,
> > ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G. I figure I
> will have
> > (hopefully) $1,200+ or so. Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> > rangefinder camera(s) to buy. I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> > stuff and travel. Here are the options I was
> considering:
> > 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> > 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
> > a. Graflex XLRF
> > b. Mamiya Universal
> > c. Baby graphic with roll film back
> > d. Kodak Medalist II
> > 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> > 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> > 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
> >
> > I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> > the lens/film plane issue. If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> > Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> > c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to
> some narrow canyons
> > (wide angle lens becomes a must). I would also
> consider a Koni –
> > Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have
> the capability of a
> > 6x9 negative. I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence selling the
> > Yashica, so the
>
>
> Mamiya 6 is out.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:13:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul

> Subject: Re: Re: advice needed
>
>
> Ooooops, the last sentence of my post should have
> read I don't really like the 6x6 format, hence
> selling the Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out. Not
> that this really matters as I have gotten a dose of
> reality and don't think I could ever get a Mamiya 6
> or 7 for around $1,100 to $1,200.
> --- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
>
"
>
wrote:
> > Ok, I need some advice. Over the next few weeks,
> I will be getting
> > rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I
> don't plan to use,
> > ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G. I figure I
> will have
> > (hopefully) $1,200+ or so. Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> > rangefinder camera(s) to buy. I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> > stuff and travel. Here are the options I was
> considering:
> > 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it
> new!)
> > 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
> > a. Graflex XLRF
> > b. Mamiya Universal
> > c. Baby graphic with roll film
> back
> > d. Kodak Medalist II
> > 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from
> above
> > 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> > 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67
> (doubtful)
> >
> > I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> > the lens/film plane issue. If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> > Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> > c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to
> some narrow canyons
> > (wide angle lens becomes a must). I would also
> consider a Koni –
> > Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have
> the capability of a
> > 6x9 negative. I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence
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Hi, Paul.

I own both the Bronica RF645 and the Fuji GA645 Zi.

I like both of them but still prefer the BRonica RF645
because I have more manual control over it.  The only
thing is, I think I should buy the 45mm lens for the
Bronica for better landscapes, but that's about $700
more.  Portraits are wonderful.  I've done some
beautiful group portraits with the 65mm lens that
comes with the kit.

~lisa




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> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. advice needed
>            From: "Paul <paul6x9@...>"
> <paul6x9@...>
>       2. Re: advice needed
>            From: smanga50
>       3. Re: Re: advice needed
>            From: Paul <paul6x9@...>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:26:02 -0000
>    From: "Paul <paul6x9@...>"
> <paul6x9@...>
> Subject: advice needed
>
> Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks, I
> will be getting
> rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I don't
> plan to use,
> ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I
> will have
> (hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was
> considering:
> 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
>             a. Graflex XLRF
>             b. Mamiya Universal
>             c. Baby graphic with roll film back
>             d. Kodak Medalist II
> 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
>
> I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to some
> narrow canyons
> (wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also
> consider a Koni –
> Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have the
> capability of a
> 6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence selling the
> Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out.
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 04:22:16 -0000
>    From: smanga50
> Subject: Re: advice needed
>
> Hi Paul,
> YOU seem quite sure about the effect of Film Plane
> and Film flatness.
> Suggest you go for the BRONICA 645. This has a
> Modern Meter and its
> 6x4.5 format is designed to hold the film real flat.
> Its only problem is when you have to shoot in
> 'LANDSCAPE' mode, therby
> turning the body vertical.
> Presentlyam using a PLAUBEL MAKINA 67 and enjoying
> that huge negative
> in landscape alone.
> Check out the BRONICA and if possible shoot a roll
> with it.
> The added advantage of interchangable lenses is
> there as well.
> Sunil Manga, INDIA.
>
>
>
>
> --- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
> <paul6x9@y...>"
> <paul6x9@y...> wrote:
> > Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks,
> I will be getting
> > rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I
> don't plan to use,
> > ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I
> will have
> > (hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> > rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> > stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was
> considering:
> > 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> > 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
> >             a. Graflex XLRF
> >             b. Mamiya Universal
> >             c. Baby graphic with roll film back
> >             d. Kodak Medalist II
> > 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> > 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> > 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
> >
> > I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> > the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> > Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> > c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to
> some narrow canyons
> > (wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also
> consider a Koni –
> > Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have
> the capability of a
> > 6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence selling the
> > Yashica, so the
>
>
> Mamiya 6 is out.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:13:21 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Paul <paul6x9@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: advice needed
>
>
> Ooooops, the last sentence of my post should have
> read I don't really like the 6x6 format, hence
> selling the Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out.  Not
> that this really matters as I have gotten a dose of
> reality and don't think I could ever get a Mamiya 6
> or 7 for around $1,100 to $1,200.
>  --- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
> <paul6x9@y...>"
> <paul6x9@y...> wrote:
> > Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks,
> I will be getting
> > rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I
> don't plan to use,
> > ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I
> will have
> > (hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need
> your help: which MF
> > rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes
> and some family
> > stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was
> considering:
> > 1)      Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it
> new!)
> > 2)      Fuji GA645 and one of:
> >             a.      Graflex XLRF
> >             b.      Mamiya Universal
> >             c.      Baby graphic with roll film
> back
> >             d.      Kodak Medalist II
> > 3)      Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from
> above
> > 4)      Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> > 5)      Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67
> (doubtful)
> >
> > I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to
> their problem with
> > the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to
> travel some to
> > Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take
> the larger (a, b,
> > c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to
> some narrow canyons
> > (wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also
> consider a Koni –
> > Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have
> the capability of a
> > 6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format,
> hence
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Ooooops, the last sentence of my post should have read I don't really like the
6x6 format, hence selling the Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out.  Not that this
really matters as I have gotten a dose of reality and don't think I could ever
get a Mamiya 6  or 7 for around $1,100 to $1,200.
  --- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul <paul6x9@y...>"
<paul6x9@y...> wrote:
> Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks, I will be getting
> rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I don't plan to use,
> ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I will have
> (hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need your help: which MF
> rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes and some family
> stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was considering:
> 1)      Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> 2)      Fuji GA645 and one of:
>             a.      Graflex XLRF
>             b.      Mamiya Universal
>             c.      Baby graphic with roll film back
>             d.      Kodak Medalist II
> 3)      Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> 4)      Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> 5)      Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
>
> I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to their problem with
> the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to travel some to
> Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take the larger (a, b,
> c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to some narrow canyons
> (wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also consider a Koni –
> Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have the capability of a
> 6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format, hence selling the
> Yashica, so the


Mamiya 6 is out.


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Hi Paul,
YOU seem quite sure about the effect of Film Plane and Film flatness.
Suggest you go for the BRONICA 645. This has a Modern Meter and its
6x4.5 format is designed to hold the film real flat.
Its only problem is when you have to shoot in 'LANDSCAPE' mode, therby
turning the body vertical.
Presentlyam using a PLAUBEL MAKINA 67 and enjoying that huge negative
in landscape alone.
Check out the BRONICA and if possible shoot a roll with it.
The added advantage of interchangable lenses is there as well.
Sunil Manga, INDIA.




--- In mfrangefindercameras@yahoogroups.com, "Paul <paul6x9@y...>"
<paul6x9@y...> wrote:
> Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks, I will be getting
> rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I don't plan to use,
> ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I will have
> (hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need your help: which MF
> rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes and some family
> stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was considering:
> 1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
> 2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
>             a. Graflex XLRF
>             b. Mamiya Universal
>             c. Baby graphic with roll film back
>             d. Kodak Medalist II
> 3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
> 4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
> 5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)
>
> I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to their problem with
> the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to travel some to
> Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take the larger (a, b,
> c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to some narrow canyons
> (wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also consider a Koni –
> Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have the capability of a
> 6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format, hence selling the
> Yashica, so the


Mamiya 6 is out.

Ok, I need some advice.  Over the next few weeks, I will be getting
rid of some Canon SLR and Nikonos gear that I don't plan to use,
ever, along with a Yashica Mat 124G.  I figure I will have
(hopefully) $1,200+ or so.  Here is where I need your help: which MF
rangefinder camera(s) to buy.  I shoot landscapes and some family
stuff and travel.  Here are the options I was considering:
1) Bronica RF645 (with rebate I can swing it new!)
2) Fuji GA645 and one of:
             a. Graflex XLRF
             b. Mamiya Universal
             c. Baby graphic with roll film back
             d. Kodak Medalist II
3) Fuji GS645 with one of a, b, c or d from above
4) Try to swing a Mamiya 7 (doubtful)
5) Try to swing a Plaubel Makina 67 (doubtful)

I have pretty much ruled out 6x9 folders due to their problem with
the lens/film plane issue.  If it helps, I plan to travel some to
Europe (I am from USA) and would probably not take the larger (a, b,
c, d list) format camera and plan to travel to some narrow canyons
(wide angle lens becomes a must).  I would also consider a Koni –
Omega/Omega Rapid but would really like to have the capability of a
6x9 negative.  I don't really like the 6x9 format, hence selling the
Yashica, so the Mamiya 6 is out.

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MAKINA
67 Rangefinder. Turned out that the built-in meter is as accurate as
the PENTAX Spotmeter!!
It wasn't worth to buy an extra meter. Better to trust the PLUBEL
meter itself.
BTW the PENTAX meter is easier and faster to use.
Comments: The PENTAX meter is very ergonomic and easy to use.
Dead accurate as well.

The newest is the Voigtlander Bessa, which takes Leica lenses and has
extra wide lenses - 12mm, 15mm.

tOM

On Tuesday, August 20, 2002 at 1:45, scot_langdon
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wrote re "[MF Rangefinder Cameras] starting to look for a 1" saying:

>
> Hi all...
> I am new to the board...I am a longtime Nikon/Pentax SLR user, former
> professional photojournalist, and realize the benefits of the RF. How
> should I select an RF and what is a good, reputable, and maintainable
> choice, model, etc? Looking for no frills, high quality... All advice
> will be considered... thanks in advance for the help...
>
> Scot

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Hi all...
I am new to the board...I am a longtime Nikon/Pentax SLR user, former
professional photojournalist, and realize the benefits of the RF. How
should I select an RF and what is a good, reputable, and maintainable
choice, model, etc? Looking for no frills, high quality... All advice
will be considered... thanks in advance for the help...

Scot

i have the rapid omiga with the 90 i need to get the 180 and 65
eventually the 135 is a rare lens hard to find. the picture i have as
the group picture is taken with a 180mm 125 at f/16 if i remember
right

Got the Rapid-Omega

Sunil,

I would be very intersted on your opinions as to the KONI-OMEGA, I
have recently been looking at them, particularly for the wide 58 or
60mm 5.6 lens.
I also see the Mamiya press has a 50 6.3, but these may be harder to
come by.
-Chris


--- In mfrangefindercameras@y..., smanga50 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hi, been using RANGEFINDER cameras since 1973.
> My first camera was a LEICA M3, then onto a bunch of collectors
like
> the LEICA IIIg and then some CANON QL cameras and MINOLTA HI-MATICS.
> Enjoyed them all, somewhere there was a KONI-OMEGA and then finally
> today using a PLUBEK-MAKINA 67.
> The rest of the equipment is OLYMPUS OM and lenses.
> Rangefinders are very compact and noiseless.
> Are great for backpacking and candid on the street journalism.
> Have fun. Sunil.
>
>
>
>
> --- In mfrangefindercameras@y..., "canon7dude" <canon7dude@y...>
> wrote:
> > Just joined and would like to say hello. What kind of caneras are
> you
> > using? I have a couple of rangefinders, robot, minolta,
roleicord.
> > and a couple of slr's pracktica/tina and voightlander bessamatic.
> > Well I hope to hear from you all soon.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > I have a small club for rangefinders at yahoo groups:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeNetwork/
> >
> > if your into rangefinders come over and say hi.

Hi, been using RANGEFINDER cameras since 1973.
My first camera was a LEICA M3, then onto a bunch of collectors like
the LEICA IIIg and then some CANON QL cameras and MINOLTA HI-MATICS.
Enjoyed them all, somewhere there was a KONI-OMEGA and then finally
today using a PLUBEK-MAKINA 67.
The rest of the equipment is OLYMPUS OM and lenses.
Rangefinders are very compact and noiseless.
Are great for backpacking and candid on the street journalism.
Have fun. Sunil.




--- In mfrangefindercameras@y..., "canon7dude" <canon7dude@y...>
wrote:
> Just joined and would like to say hello. What kind of caneras are
you
> using? I have a couple of rangefinders, robot, minolta, roleicord.
> and a couple of slr's pracktica/tina and voightlander bessamatic.
> Well I hope to hear from you all soon.
>
> -Chris
>
> I have a small club for rangefinders at yahoo groups:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeNetwork/
>
> if your into rangefinders come over and say hi.

Just joined and would like to say hello. What kind of caneras are you
using? I have a couple of rangefinders, robot, minolta, roleicord.
and a couple of slr's pracktica/tina and voightlander bessamatic.
Well I hope to hear from you all soon.

-Chris

I have a small club for rangefinders at yahoo groups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RangeNetwork/

if your into rangefinders come over and say hi.

Started Photography in 1973 with a Classic LEICA
M3 and then onto various formats and SLR & TLR
cameras including the ROLLEIFLEX TLR 80/2.8PLANAR.<br>The
PLAUBEL MAKINA ^& handles like a Medium Format LEICA.
Very easy and TACTILE to handle. Very easy to FOCUS.
GREAT for Landscapes. Tedious for Portraits as the
Finder Framelines have a logic of their own. Safer to
keep the subject centered. Superb Sharpness and edge
to edge uniform exposure without vignetting. Using a
62 mm Filter on a stepup ring with 58mm thread on
the nIKON lens. <br>Very INTUITIVE camera to use,
more like a POINT & SHOOT for all occassions. Beats
using a MF SLR or a TLR. Great Camera to start a
friendship with.

Hey, how do you find the Plaubel to handle? After
you have a chance to run it through its paces, think
you could post a review? I've been thinking about the
same option for a while
now..<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>JPB

HiGUYS,<br>been using the PLAUBEL MAKINA 67
lately, and I find it a HUGEJUMP from the 35mm Format
have been using in the past. Fantastic results and
clarity.<br>Have to master this format now.<br>Hope to learn from
this Club.

I do not wish to see solicitations here in this
club that isnt authorized by me or Yahoo. the Members
who posted the solicitations were summarily deleted
from this club. Any others who do the same will be
deleted.<br><br>Thanks <br>Joe Watson