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Electrets complete with/without FET <= 16dB Self Noise?   Message List  
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Re: Electrets complete with/without FET <= 16dB Self Noise?

--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Danielson <type@...> wrote:
>
> At 10:21 AM +0000 7/1/09, picnet2 wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Throwing open a discussion here which is probably a bag of worms,
> >but are there any electret capsules with a self noise around 16 dB
> >or less? Best Ive seen so far are those from Primo Mic. But
> >something like the EM158 still is > 22 dB - Idealy Id like to find
> >something around 16dB for a dummy head platform thats been evolving
> >over the last few months. - if thats not possible it'll be time to
> >start hacking at an NT4 - although the capsules are rather large for
> >ear use.
> >
> >-Mike.
> >
>
> Hi Mike.
> Small diameter for head mounting, none I know of. The variants of
> the EM-23 that Scott and others on this list have made and the
> electret capsule in the AT-3203 are all under 14dB(A) but they're
> bigger. Seems like the ~6mm diaphragms aren't capable of much lower
> noise output.
>
> Might take a listen to this high gain/quiet setting comparison test
> before you disassemble your NT-4: http://tinyurl.com/6zhyxx (The
> input noise on the Hi-MD recorder used is well below the required
> 10dB separation between the mics' self-noise).
> Rob D.
>
> --
>
It's not rocket science just the basic physics. A Primo capsule and good FET
work fine PIP at even .5V at near the noise limit. It is not difficult to
achieve the thermodynamic limit on noise if that is all you want.




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Hi, Throwing open a discussion here which is probably a bag of worms, but are there any electret capsules with a self noise around 16 dB or less? Best Ive seen...
picnet2
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Jul 1, 2009
10:22 am

... Hi Mike. Small diameter for head mounting, none I know of. The variants of the EM-23 that Scott and others on this list have made and the electret capsule...
Rob Danielson
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Jul 1, 2009
3:35 pm

... It's not rocket science just the basic physics. A Primo capsule and good FET work fine PIP at even .5V at near the noise limit. It is not difficult to...
userno232000
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Jul 8, 2009
9:06 pm

... Hi, It would be good to describe the basic physics while answering or link to a previous discussion. Good fet being 2SK118 ? I can get hold of the 2N3819,...
picnet2
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Jul 16, 2009
6:42 pm

... You can find the 2SK118-R here, http://ampslab.com/trans_2sk118.htm Primo uses 2SK118-O. I have no idea if they are better than the others you mention. At...
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Jul 16, 2009
9:23 pm

2N3819 FETs have been around for 50 years now. good part. make a little circuit to chk for lowest noise and hand select the best for your mic To:...
Robert Munger
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Jul 16, 2009
9:33 pm

Hi, Thank you, Ill google for test circuits. The info for links and history regarding the FETs and capsules was also interesting to read, I didn't realize some...
picnet2
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Jul 17, 2009
5:30 pm

... Hi Mike, You might try and download "Microphone System for Extremely Low Sound Levels" by Erling Frederiksen at the B&K web site for a description of the...
userno232000
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Jul 19, 2009
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Hey all, My DS-30's gain even on the lowest setting (dict) is always too loud for my needs. I built it a foam windscreen and it's still not quite enough...
Joe Diliberto
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Jul 1, 2009
10:46 pm

Hi Joe, It has been reported that a simple in-line headphone attenuator also works as a mic. attenuator (with PIP). I can't verify this but it sounds plausible...
Michael Chang
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Jul 3, 2009
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Thanks for the reply Michael! I considered using one of those myself, but wanted something smaller that allows the mic to stay attached to the top of the...
Joe Diliberto
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Jul 3, 2009
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Joe, it'd be tricky to recommend values for a resistive pad without knowing the associated circuitry in the mic and preamp especially when you're relying on...
Michael Chang
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There is no line unfortunately. EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me To: micbuilders@yahoogroups.com From: m.chang@... Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:03:38...
Joe Diliberto
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Ignore my previous reply, Joe. Line input obviously won't supply PIP.. :-)...
Michael Chang
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... Hi Joe-- When I scanned through the DS-30's owner manual a while back, I don't think I came across any mention of manual gain for this recorder. I think it...
Rob Danielson
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... MIke - Here in the US the Toshiba 2SK118 is cheaply available from MCM Electronics; 20 cents each. I would think that the 2SK118 could be made to perform...
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