Ran across this in the latest All Electronics catalog - CAT# WG-1 " An
all-purpose, electrically conductive glue ideal for bonding all kinds
of low-voltage connections. Makes a permanent bond without heat.
Lead-free. 0.3 fl.oz. jar." it's only 3.98.

All Electronics has a $7 S&H charge, so you'll probably want to pad
out your order to make it worthwhile. But they've got lots of useful
everyday stuff as well as interesting junk.

With all the responses I've received, I'm begining to think maybe I
need to narrow down my search to just a microphone.

What type of Microphone should I be looking?
Condenser
PZM
Dynamic
Ribbon
Stereo
Shotgun

Given the above, what type of polar pattern would work best?
Cardioid
Supercardioid
Hypercardioid
Omnidirectional

Do I need a microphone to handle 20hz to 15k-20k?


--Brad

Brad,

If I remember right, you're doing sound effects.  Which means that the
complete frequency range isn't that important... what matters is capturing
sounds that can be reproduced on the target speakers (what your stuff will
eventually be listened to on).  So you don't need to obsess all that much
about 20-20k.

Beyond that, I dunno.  You could certainly start cheap by DIY'ing something
omni or cardioid with the usual Panasonic capsules.  We had a guy here a
while back who built similar mics for recording stunts for film, because he
could get decent quality without having to care if the mic got destroyed as a
result.  Depending on your time-vs-money situation it's probably worth a try.

I dunno, what exactly are you looking to capture?  The big roll of
firecrackers is one thing, but are you looking to get the
reflected/reverberant sounds?  One thing I love about big fireworks is
hearing the echoes off other stuff in the vicinity, which would tend to
indicated an omni mic.  But usually ambient noise is exaggerated in
recordings, so a cardioid is more likely.  Then you're into the question of
how far away you need to be to avoid overload of the mic, so maybe something
even more direction would be appropriate.

Oy.  More questions and few answers.  Sorry about that.  We're getting into
the "art" section of microphones, which is always difficult.

Looking at your list, I'd strike off PZM simply because you can get the same
result by using an omni up against a boundary such as a sidewalk or wall.  Or
use a cardioid in a similar setup to simulate a Crown PCC type mic.  A ribbon
is right out because of the sensitivity to puffs of air.  A shotgun mic might
produce some good results, because with a shotgun you tend to have
the "focus" of the sound at a distance, ideal if you're working with a loud
and dangerous source.  Using a stereo mic depends on whether you're producing
for a stereo playback.

And now I'm spent.  ;)

-Scott

On Friday 04 May 2007 15:42, tycoonbrad wrote:
> With all the responses I've received, I'm begining to think maybe I
> need to narrow down my search to just a microphone.
>
> What type of Microphone should I be looking?
> Condenser
> PZM
> Dynamic
> Ribbon
> Stereo
> Shotgun
>
> Given the above, what type of polar pattern would work best?
> Cardioid
> Supercardioid
> Hypercardioid
> Omnidirectional
>
> Do I need a microphone to handle 20hz to 15k-20k?
>
>
> --Brad
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Munger" <audisar@...>
wrote:
>
> look to see if those have electret or capsole type cartridges. look
at the
> spec for max spl. prob around 130 or so and yes that is prob a good
choice
> vs cost. a useful addition for ambient recording also. le me (us)
know how
> they work out.
>
>
> >From: "tycoonbrad" <tycoonbrad@...>
> >Reply-To: micbuilders@yahoogroups.com
> >To: micbuilders@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [micbuilders] Re: Recording Fireworks: Behringer  C2
> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:31:03 -0000
> >
> >I came across a mic that looks very interesting, and was wondering
if
> >it would work for my fireworks application.
> >
> >It's the Behringer C2 Condenser Microphone (matched stereo pair).
> >You get two matched mics for $60 bucks.  Here's the specs:
> >
> >http://www.behringer.com/C-2/index.cfm?lang=ENG
> >
> >Frequency Response is 20hz to 20khz.
> >Max SPL: 140db (0), 150db (-10db)
> >Level attenuation: -10db Switchable
> >Polar Pattern: Cardioid
> >
> >--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Avalos <st18901@> wrote:
> > >
> > > or -
> > >
> > > you could get a zoom H-4-4 flash memory recorder for
> > > $300.00 and have - a recorder with xy configured mics
> > > built in along with XLR/1/4 inputs with phantom power,
> > > 24/96 sample rate plus mp3 recording to 320k all to an
> > > SD card - in something that is handheld.
> > >
> > > I'm looking at a catalog right now, and it seems
> > > pretty darn cool.
> > >
> > > Definitely worth checking out.
> > >
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The Behringer C2 seems to be unsuitable choice for distant recording.
It is a cardioid that is optimised for very near field recording.
Bass will be weak at distances over 30 cm (a foot). There is an
article on modifying the Behringer C2 for a flatter frequency
response and improving the impedance matching of the output.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~njveth/AudioTechniek/BehringerC2Mods/EN_Behringe
rC2useAndModification.htm

Roger

If your looking at buying I would recommend the audio-technica AT3032.
Eric of this group documented that the self noise is lower than the
company specs.  It is a omni and does need 12-48 volt phantom power.
I recommend it because of the low self noise, you can still record the
big bangs, and it is not terribly expensive. Company spec is a 132 db
dynamic range and can handle loud stuff up to 158 db.  I use them in
nature recording and would recommend them for special effects.

Rich

--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, "tycoonbrad" <tycoonbrad@...> wrote:
>
> With all the responses I've received, I'm begining to think maybe I
> need to narrow down my search to just a microphone.
>

Rich Peet wrote:

> If your looking at buying I would recommend the audio-technica AT3032.

http://feldman.gidnoy.com/audio/CU_Fireworks_finale_T129.mp3

Was recorded with a pair of AT3032s in something approaching a Jecklin Disk
arrangement.  The fireworks originated about 1.25 miles for the recording
done in a residential backyard.  Recorder was SD722.  Here's a photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_feldman/182130662/

-- Mike

cool!

Today is cinco de mayo - so in Los Angeles that means
lot's o fireworks.
Might be a good night to take to old rig out.


--- Mike Feldman <mike_feldman@...> wrote:

> Rich Peet wrote:
>
> > If your looking at buying I would recommend the
> audio-technica AT3032.
>
>
http://feldman.gidnoy.com/audio/CU_Fireworks_finale_T129.mp3
>
> Was recorded with a pair of AT3032s in something
> approaching a Jecklin Disk
> arrangement.  The fireworks originated about 1.25
> miles for the recording
> done in a residential backyard.  Recorder was SD722.
>  Here's a photo:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_feldman/182130662/
>
> -- Mike
>




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--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, Mike Feldman <mike_feldman@...> wrote:
>
> Rich Peet wrote:
>
> > If your looking at buying I would recommend the audio-technica AT3032.
>
> http://feldman.gidnoy.com/audio/CU_Fireworks_finale_T129.mp3
>
> Was recorded with a pair of AT3032s in something approaching a
Jecklin Disk
> arrangement.  The fireworks originated about 1.25 miles for the
recording
> done in a residential backyard.  Recorder was SD722.


Had to look up that Jecklin Disk. Strange, I remember using a pair of
omni's on either side of a divider board back in the 60's. I had
wondered why I have not seen any mention of the technique recently.

Your 3032's sound real good on that recording. I kind of wonder how my
ATM10A's would do at something like that. I know there is a trade off
for the self-contained battery power, but have no idea how much that
would show up in the real world.

hi,

i'm a new member.

i used to use a sony md, but once that started erasing discs i bought an edirol
r-09. i have
both the soundman binaurals and the core-sound binaurals.

with regards to the r-09's preamp...

i'm dissapointed with the r-09 for one (rather big) problem... when adjusting
the input
level on the fly during recording, clicks are recorded for each step of the gain
increase.
this is while using external mics btw so isn't the mechanical noise of me
pressing buttons
picked up by the internal mics.

edirol said this is not a fault! and if i am unhappy with this being the case i
would have to
return it. they also claimed that ALL solid state recorders would do this!

if anyone knows whether this is true or not i'd appreciate a response. i think
£250(ish) for
a device that does this is appalling... MD and DAT don't, so why solid state?

having said that the quality of the actual recording is good.

i may just have to settle for hoping a low input level at 24-bit will give me
enough
dynamic range for a very low hiss recording with no chance of clipping.

any opinions?

~miles


> I recently bought an Edirol R-09 but I have not tested the internal
> mic pre's yet.
>

There clearly is still a demand for the list.  But I see that we
should be considering us as a group falling short of the main resource
needs of it.

I am not a visual layout oriented person and am not 100% net fluent.
But I do see we could build a better resouce than what we currently
have.  We should consider as a group how to kick it up a notch.

Should we do an outright church mission statement? Or is it pretty
damn clear what the group and the resource is.  What is the current
best approach to bring the new up to speed and satisfy the ones doing
it every day?

Do we consider evolution parellel by building something new while
keeping this as a base?  Or serial by having a few do the base line
work and abandon this?

Things to consider. If anyone else wants to be co-moderator let me
know.  We give great job references and resume material as well as
full authority to kick out anyone who states a new concept :)

And if there is no current thought about changing anything now that is
fine as I do nothing as well as the next guy.

Rich

Sonion DigiSiMic is extremely small 2,6 x 1,6 x 0,9 mm capsule with or without
ADC (PDM output). It has 60dBSPL SNR (like Panasonic WM60 or better) and avg.
35dB self noise. It works up to 90kHz and can be an interesting alternative for
BK4138. I'm looking forward for binaural recording implementation since
Sennheiser KE211-4used by Moeller et. al. (see binaural suite in AES) cost
50eu/stuck.

I think that the smaller membrane (impulse response, see Manger/AES) is better
suitable for ultra resolution measurements.

And what you think?

is there anyone on the list selling the Primo EM-23 capsules?
I'm looking to buy some...
also is there a circuit somewhere describing how to use this capsule?
thanks in advance
KIM

________________________________________

From: Rich Peet  Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 14:57



> There clearly is still a demand for the list. But I see that we

should be considering us as a group falling short of the main resource

needs of it.



> I am not a visual layout oriented person and am not 100% net fluent.

But I do see we could build a better resouce than what we currently

have. We should consider as a group how to kick it up a notch.



> Should we do an outright church mission statement? Or is it pretty

damn clear what the group and the resource is. What is the current

best approach to bring the new up to speed and satisfy the ones doing

it every day?



> Do we consider evolution parellel by building something new while

keeping this as a base? Or serial by having a few do the base line

work and abandon this?



Thanks Rich for all your work here,

I think the list is very useful as is but there is so much knowledge and
experience available here, and hiding in deeply buried messages that the
knowledge is easily lost.



At the same time there are so many new members that ask all the same
question over and over since they can not find the previous messages with
the answers.  Over a year ago I for that reason wrote the message below:



Rich,

I have for a long time been thinking about proposing a "Wiki-pedia" style
for the MicBuilders.  There is so much information available here but it is
hard to find it and the same questions keep coming up.  If it could be done
Wiki style it would be great.



I do not know anything about Wikis and how to create them but they
apparently works.



Once the structure is set up, individuals can then directly add to it and
all the standard circuits and tricks can be there for beginners to find in
one location.  Also the very advanced knowledge can be collected there.  It
would be a fantastic resource for the future with both current technology
and historical information.

Bertho









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

dear rich (in particular)

any changes make me fear of the fate of the original micdiy list, killed by
spam. i think we should continue as a moderated list, reasonably careful about
letting new names in and ready to pull out those who spam.

a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the people who ask freshman
questions will not know of its existence, or the availablity of other resources.
which is why they ask these questions (irksome, but i always remember how long
it took me to get started, and in what devious ways i found my information).

a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient answering of elementary
questions (i am guilty too - i usually wait to see if somebody else anwers) is
what this group should continue to do.

umashankar


To: micbuilders@...: boman01@...: Fri, 11 May 2007
22:31:41 -0400Subject: RE: [micbuilders] State of the list




________________________________________From: Rich Peet Sent: Friday, May 11,
2007 14:57> There clearly is still a demand for the list. But I see that
weshould be considering us as a group falling short of the main resourceneeds of
it.> I am not a visual layout oriented person and am not 100% net fluent. But I
do see we could build a better resouce than what we currentlyhave. We should
consider as a group how to kick it up a notch.> Should we do an outright church
mission statement? Or is it prettydamn clear what the group and the resource is.
What is the currentbest approach to bring the new up to speed and satisfy the
ones doingit every day?> Do we consider evolution parellel by building something
new whilekeeping this as a base? Or serial by having a few do the base linework
and abandon this?Thanks Rich for all your work here,I think the list is very
useful as is but there is so much knowledge andexperience available here, and
hiding in deeply buried messages that theknowledge is easily lost.At the same
time there are so many new members that ask all the samequestion over and over
since they can not find the previous messages withthe answers. Over a year ago I
for that reason wrote the message below:Rich,I have for a long time been
thinking about proposing a "Wiki-pedia" stylefor the MicBuilders. There is so
much information available here but it ishard to find it and the same questions
keep coming up. If it could be doneWiki style it would be great.I do not know
anything about Wikis and how to create them but theyapparently works.Once the
structure is set up, individuals can then directly add to it andall the standard
circuits and tricks can be there for beginners to find inone location. Also the
very advanced knowledge can be collected there. Itwould be a fantastic resource
for the future with both current technologyand historical
information.Bertho[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


_________________________________________________________________
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I like the list the way it is. I guess I don't think
anything is broken, and the repeat questions aren't so
oft asked as to be too annoying. I think.
Of course, I have been one of those asking the basic
questions too. :)


--- umashankar mantravadi <umashanks@...>
wrote:

> dear rich (in particular)
>
> any changes make me fear of the fate of the original
> micdiy list, killed by spam. i think we should
> continue as a moderated list, reasonably careful
> about letting new names in and ready to pull out
> those who spam.
>
> a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the
> people who ask freshman questions will not know of
> its existence, or the availablity of other
> resources. which is why they ask these questions
> (irksome, but i always remember how long it took me
> to get started, and in what devious ways i found my
> information).
>
> a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient
> answering of elementary questions (i am guilty too -
> i usually wait to see if somebody else anwers) is
> what this group should continue to do.
>
> umashankar
>
>
> To: micbuilders@...:
> boman01@...: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:31:41
> -0400Subject: RE: [micbuilders] State of the list
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________From: Rich
> Peet Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 14:57> There clearly
> is still a demand for the list. But I see that
> weshould be considering us as a group falling short
> of the main resourceneeds of it.> I am not a visual
> layout oriented person and am not 100% net fluent.
> But I do see we could build a better resouce than
> what we currentlyhave. We should consider as a group
> how to kick it up a notch.> Should we do an outright
> church mission statement? Or is it prettydamn clear
> what the group and the resource is. What is the
> currentbest approach to bring the new up to speed
> and satisfy the ones doingit every day?> Do we
> consider evolution parellel by building something
> new whilekeeping this as a base? Or serial by having
> a few do the base linework and abandon this?Thanks
> Rich for all your work here,I think the list is very
> useful as is but there is so much knowledge
> andexperience available here, and hiding in deeply
> buried messages that theknowledge is easily lost.At
> the same time there are so many new members that ask
> all the samequestion over and over since they can
> not find the previous messages withthe answers. Over
> a year ago I for that reason wrote the message
> below:Rich,I have for a long time been thinking
> about proposing a "Wiki-pedia" stylefor the
> MicBuilders. There is so much information available
> here but it ishard to find it and the same questions
> keep coming up. If it could be doneWiki style it
> would be great.I do not know anything about Wikis
> and how to create them but theyapparently works.Once
> the structure is set up, individuals can then
> directly add to it andall the standard circuits and
> tricks can be there for beginners to find inone
> location. Also the very advanced knowledge can be
> collected there. Itwould be a fantastic resource for
> the future with both current technologyand
> historical information.Bertho[Non-text portions of
> this message have been removed]
>
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
> Catch the cricket action with MSN!
> http://content.msn.co.in/Sports/Cricket/Default.aspx
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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I agree with Umashankar. Keep the list as it is, moderated; I find it is
an excellent resource. However, a Wiki in parallel with this list could
well be a  very good way to consolidate the distilled wisdom of the list
and so make finding information easier.

Gerard Lardner


umashankar mantravadi wrote:
>
> dear rich (in particular)
>
> any changes make me fear of the fate of the original micdiy list,
> killed by spam. i think we should continue as a moderated list,
> reasonably careful about letting new names in and ready to pull out
> those who spam.
>
> a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the people who ask
> freshman questions will not know of its existence, or the availablity
> of other resources. which is why they ask these questions (irksome,
> but i always remember how long it took me to get started, and in what
> devious ways i found my information).
>
> a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient answering of
> elementary questions (i am guilty too - i usually wait to see if
> somebody else anwers) is what this group should continue to do.
>
> umashankar
>
> _



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm new to all of this - I want to build a microphone for a friend of mine.

I value the list because I have no idea what the zark I'm doing.

(If someone wants to trade me my spare pair of mid-woofers for some mic
capsules and useful electronics, I would'nt complain...)

As a side noted, anyone know where to get the Transsound TSB-2555? And is
the TSB-165A as good as I've heard?

On 5/12/07, Gerard Lardner <glardner@...> wrote:
>
>   I agree with Umashankar. Keep the list as it is, moderated; I find it is
> an excellent resource. However, a Wiki in parallel with this list could
> well be a very good way to consolidate the distilled wisdom of the list
> and so make finding information easier.
>
> Gerard Lardner
>
> umashankar mantravadi wrote:
> >
> > dear rich (in particular)
> >
> > any changes make me fear of the fate of the original micdiy list,
> > killed by spam. i think we should continue as a moderated list,
> > reasonably careful about letting new names in and ready to pull out
> > those who spam.
> >
> > a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the people who ask
> > freshman questions will not know of its existence, or the availablity
> > of other resources. which is why they ask these questions (irksome,
> > but i always remember how long it took me to get started, and in what
> > devious ways i found my information).
> >
> > a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient answering of
> > elementary questions (i am guilty too - i usually wait to see if
> > somebody else anwers) is what this group should continue to do.
> >
> > umashankar
> >
> > _
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am fairly new here, but maybe that is a good thing for answering
your quiry.

Rule One: If it ain'd broke, don't fix it.

It seems like this list serves it's purpose well, so that kind of
answers that. The only change on the list itself that I can see would
be in the Files, Photos, and Links sections which seem to be rather
haphazard.

For us newbees it would be nice if there was a basic resource to look
at. Either a FAQ (no one ever reads the FAQ), or as another mentioned
a Wikipedia type page. What I would like to see is a list of
resources, both of the educational type, and of the where to get what
type. Slowly scanning older posts it looks like that info is mostly
here but it is hard to find. A resource that put that all together in
one place would be nice. Of course the problem is, someone would have
to do all that work...



--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...> wrote:
>
> There clearly is still a demand for the list.  But I see that we
> should be considering us as a group falling short of the main resource
> needs of it.
>
> I am not a visual layout oriented person and am not 100% net fluent.
> But I do see we could build a better resouce than what we currently
> have.  We should consider as a group how to kick it up a notch.
>
> Should we do an outright church mission statement? Or is it pretty
> damn clear what the group and the resource is.  What is the current
> best approach to bring the new up to speed and satisfy the ones doing
> it every day?
>
> Do we consider evolution parellel by building something new while
> keeping this as a base?  Or serial by having a few do the base line
> work and abandon this?
>
> Things to consider. If anyone else wants to be co-moderator let me
> know.  We give great job references and resume material as well as
> full authority to kick out anyone who states a new concept :)
>
> And if there is no current thought about changing anything now that is
> fine as I do nothing as well as the next guy.
>
> Rich
>

Here's a list of "wikifarms" :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms

Most of them are free, but the "content licenses" differs a lot...

This one seems ok, and it allows for some personalised site design:
http://www.wikidot.com/


Some examples...
Forums: http://acoustic-gaming.wikidot.com/forum:start
Articles: http://gamedesign.wikidot.com/articles

I don't know if this is any good, but it seems ok.

/ Joakim



2007/5/12, Gerard Lardner <glardner@...>:
>
>   I agree with Umashankar. Keep the list as it is, moderated; I find it is
> an excellent resource. However, a Wiki in parallel with this list could
> well be a very good way to consolidate the distilled wisdom of the list
> and so make finding information easier.
>
> Gerard Lardner
>
> umashankar mantravadi wrote:
> >
> > dear rich (in particular)
> >
> > any changes make me fear of the fate of the original micdiy list,
> > killed by spam. i think we should continue as a moderated list,
> > reasonably careful about letting new names in and ready to pull out
> > those who spam.
> >
> > a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the people who ask
> > freshman questions will not know of its existence, or the availablity
> > of other resources. which is why they ask these questions (irksome,
> > but i always remember how long it took me to get started, and in what
> > devious ways i found my information).
> >
> > a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient answering of
> > elementary questions (i am guilty too - i usually wait to see if
> > somebody else anwers) is what this group should continue to do.
> >
> > umashankar
> >
> > _
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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>For us newbees it would be nice if there was a basic resource to look
at. Either a FAQ (no one ever reads the FAQ), or as another mentioned
a Wikipedia type page. What I would like to see is a list of
resources, both of the educational type, and of the where to get what
type. Slowly scanning older posts it looks like that info is mostly
here but it is hard to find. A resource that put that all together in
one place would be nice. Of course the problem is, someone would have
to do all that work...


The big advantage with the Wiki is that we all can work on it as a joint
project after it is created.  It would not be a static website, it would
gradually grow as more and more material is added to it or updated.



There could be sections for building microphones, from simple to advance
ones, both an electronic section and a mechanical one.



There could be from simple beginner's preamplifiers to very advance ones
with the ultimate low noise floor and the theory that goes with it.  If we
think about the very good info that has been described on this list and to
be able to easily find it again at a common location, I think it is a good
reason for having the Wiki.



Note, I am not proposing to change the list it self, it works well except it
is very hard to capture the knowledge and keep it current.  The only change
would be a reference pointing to the Wiki.  That would also be part of the
info for new members signing up.

Bertho



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Interesting. Do you have a vendor for small quantities?

Cheers,
Tim

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I think a wiki is a great idea - there's plenty of good discussion, but it
would be even better if there was a good resource for stuff we've talked
about a lot.  Plus there tends to be some interesting discussion around wiki
items, which you might discover if you use the "discuss" tab at
wikipedia.org.

-Scott

On Saturday 12 May 2007 15:45, Joakim Lindén wrote:
> Here's a list of "wikifarms" :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_farms
>
> Most of them are free, but the "content licenses" differs a lot...
>
> This one seems ok, and it allows for some personalised site design:
> http://www.wikidot.com/
>
>
> Some examples...
> Forums: http://acoustic-gaming.wikidot.com/forum:start
> Articles: http://gamedesign.wikidot.com/articles
>
> I don't know if this is any good, but it seems ok.
>
> / Joakim
>
> 2007/5/12, Gerard Lardner <glardner@...>:
> >   I agree with Umashankar. Keep the list as it is, moderated; I find it
> > is an excellent resource. However, a Wiki in parallel with this list
> > could well be a very good way to consolidate the distilled wisdom of the
> > list and so make finding information easier.
> >
> > Gerard Lardner
> >
> > umashankar mantravadi wrote:
> > > dear rich (in particular)
> > >
> > > any changes make me fear of the fate of the original micdiy list,
> > > killed by spam. i think we should continue as a moderated list,
> > > reasonably careful about letting new names in and ready to pull out
> > > those who spam.
> > >
> > > a wiki might be a good idea, but often i think the people who ask
> > > freshman questions will not know of its existence, or the availablity
> > > of other resources. which is why they ask these questions (irksome,
> > > but i always remember how long it took me to get started, and in what
> > > devious ways i found my information).
> > >
> > > a wiki yes, but to keep the community going, patient answering of
> > > elementary questions (i am guilty too - i usually wait to see if
> > > somebody else anwers) is what this group should continue to do.
> > >
> > > umashankar
> > >
> > > _
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Dear Ti,

>Interesting. Do you have a vendor for small quantities?

I'll try to order a batch since some of my friends working in Sonion.

There is more interesting capsule 8002 which has 10dB less noise - less than
DPA4060!!! At the cost of max. SPL capability.

The question is how to solder :)

FWIW, I am also a newbie and think this is a great group.  Even though I
don't post much, it is very helpful.



I have placed a wiki (on a completely different subject) at
www.wikispaces.com <http://www.wikispaces.com/>  (it's free) and have been
pleased with that particular service.  It does not have a lot of fancy
features, but it can be used without learning anything about HTML tags, so
it is great for a community of non-specialists.  If anyone is interested in
checking what it looks like (or is interested in learning the programming
language of the Interactive Brokers' online trading API) it's at
http://twsdde.wikispaces.com/



Another thing that would have helped me as I was first starting out would be
if someone would create a folder in the files section called "Getting
started" or something along those lines, and through basic schematics, a
list of links to other sites, and any other info of a general reference
nature.  Or a FAQ.



Thanks to those who have put in the effort to develop and maintain this
helpful resource.



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David







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> I'll try to order a batch since some of my friends working in Sonion.
>
> There is more interesting capsule 8002 which has 10dB less noise -
> less than DPA4060!!! At the cost of max. SPL capability.

I'd be interested in checking these out as well -- depending on the
price of course

Here are some photos.

http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-1.jpg
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-2.jpg
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-3.jpg

It is only kind of a start, but looks like it should work OK. I plan
on covering it with thin foam under fuzzy cloth.

Will I definately have to cover both ends (It is a single point stereo
condenser mic, Nady CM-2S)? I need to decide that before starting on
the cover. Anyway it is going to be far cheaper than a commercial Zepp
and shock mount, about $20 total.

Parts (for complete unit):

Shock mount,
1- 2" pipe coupling
8- hair bands
1- 3/8 inch bolt*
1- (grip stud and mount from my photo equipment)

Zepp frame (for both ends),
2- Expanded Aluminum Gutter Strainer
2- 3 inch hose clamp

1/3yd- fuzzy cloth
1pc-- 1/4in air conditioner filter foam

The cloth and hair bands came from Wal-Mart.
The hardware from Lowes Home Improvement.

I might change over to O-rings from the auto parts store the hair band
were a bit weak so I had to double them up. I used my Dremel tool to
cut the slots for the bands.

I would like to know what folks think.

Excellent!
I might build one myself.
Very cool.


--- tom_rittenhouse <tom_rittenhouse@...> wrote:

>
> Here are some photos.
>
>
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-1.jpg
>
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-2.jpg
>
http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-3.jpg
>
> It is only kind of a start, but looks like it should
> work OK. I plan
> on covering it with thin foam under fuzzy cloth.
>
> Will I definately have to cover both ends (It is a
> single point stereo
> condenser mic, Nady CM-2S)? I need to decide that
> before starting on
> the cover. Anyway it is going to be far cheaper than
> a commercial Zepp
> and shock mount, about $20 total.
>
> Parts (for complete unit):
>
> Shock mount,
> 1- 2" pipe coupling
> 8- hair bands
> 1- 3/8 inch bolt*
> 1- (grip stud and mount from my photo equipment)
>
> Zepp frame (for both ends),
> 2- Expanded Aluminum Gutter Strainer
> 2- 3 inch hose clamp
>
> 1/3yd- fuzzy cloth
> 1pc-- 1/4in air conditioner filter foam
>
> The cloth and hair bands came from Wal-Mart.
> The hardware from Lowes Home Improvement.
>
> I might change over to O-rings from the auto parts
> store the hair band
> were a bit weak so I had to double them up. I used
> my Dremel tool to
> cut the slots for the bands.
>
> I would like to know what folks think.
>
>
>
>
>




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http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-4.jpg

Shows the Zepp with both ends on, and the foam temporarily
rubberbanded on it. I took it outside to give it a try. There was only
a light breeze, but it seems to work quite well. In fact it worked so
well I think rubber banding the foam on is probably all it needs. Now
I have to figure out how to sew up the dead cat.

The only problem seems to be is you have to open the thing up to turn
off the mic.


--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, "tom_rittenhouse"
<tom_rittenhouse@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here are some photos.
>
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-1.jpg
> http://www.graywolfphoto.com/Audio/_images/Zepp/Zepp-2.jpg
>
> It is only kind of a start, but looks like it should work OK. I plan
> on covering it with thin foam under fuzzy cloth.
>
> Will I definately have to cover both ends (It is a single point stereo
> condenser mic, Nady CM-2S)? I need to decide that before starting on
> the cover. Anyway it is going to be far cheaper than a commercial Zepp
> and shock mount, about $20 total.
>
> Parts (for complete unit):
>
> Shock mount,
> 1- 2" pipe coupling
> 8- hair bands
> 1- 3/8 inch bolt*
> 1- (grip stud and mount from my photo equipment)
>
> Zepp frame (for both ends),
> 2- Expanded Aluminum Gutter Strainer
> 2- 3 inch hose clamp
>
> 1/3yd- fuzzy cloth
> 1pc-- 1/4in air conditioner filter foam
>
> The cloth and hair bands came from Wal-Mart.
> The hardware from Lowes Home Improvement.
>
> I might change over to O-rings from the auto parts store the hair band
> were a bit weak so I had to double them up. I used my Dremel tool to
> cut the slots for the bands.
>
> I would like to know what folks think.
>

Very interesting. I wonder if four or six of them in parallel(still
smaller than a 1/2" membrane area) would bring the self noise down?
I also would like to try them, although they might be quite hard to
solder as they have to be re-flow soldered. Maybe it could be done
with solder paste and hot air. A pcb would be obligatory.

Klaus


--- In micbuilders@yahoogroups.com, jzagaja@... wrote:
>
> Sonion DigiSiMic is extremely small 2,6 x 1,6 x 0,9 mm capsule with
or without ADC (PDM output). It has 60dBSPL SNR (like Panasonic WM60
or better) and avg. 35dB self noise. It works up to 90kHz and can be
an interesting alternative for BK4138. I'm looking forward for
binaural recording implementation since Sennheiser KE211-4used by
Moeller et. al. (see binaural suite in AES) cost 50eu/stuck.
>
> I think that the smaller membrane (impulse response, see Manger/AES)
is better suitable for ultra resolution measurements.
>
> And what you think?
>