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RE: [microhydro] pumping water uphill.... with a prop-mounted pump


Good morning Tony;



Thank you for sharing your very complete account of these projects. I am sure
that mosst of the members are more than casually familiar with the principles
and similar applications, however it is always gratifying to hear a first person
shared account,especially

one which is so adequately annotated with photos and drawings. Thank you again,
it was a great read. David Murray, P
aris Ontario.


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From: tony@...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:43:47 -0600
Subject: re: [microhydro] pumping water uphill.... with a prop-mounted pump







Doug, (the guy who wants to pump water uphill for irrigation).. this might not
be of help, but it gave me some great spin--off ideas.. check it out.....
http://aquamor.tripod.com/Wheel.htm ..this is a paddle-wheel pump...very
simple..good luck .....Tony in Jamaica

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From: Doug Fortune / Pentam Aerospace <pentam@...>
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:49 PM
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [microhydro] pumping water uphill.... with a prop-mounted pump

Not micro-hydro-electricity, but rather a (mostly) micro-hydro-irrigation
experiment:

We want to pump water from a creek, up a steep bank (30 feet/10m vertical, 600
feet/200m horizontal) to drip irrigate the farmland above, using just the power
of a fast running creek. Unfortunately, there is almost no elevation drop, so
our first choice won't work (a self-powered hydraulic ram pump). We have no
electricity, and running a gas/diesel generator or water pump is not an option
for us, due to their expense, maintenance, and noise.

Next weekend I will be testing a propeller (not a paddle wheel), mounted on a
water pump immersed in the stream. I am expecting 5-50 litres/minute output, and
if it works as planned, I'll make available the results. If people are
interested, I'll also make up a kit of plans and parts to sell, including my
custom stainless steel prop-to-pump adapter, for those people in the same
situation as us (ie, proximal to a source of medium to fast-flowing water, but
without any appreciable elevation drop).

Lastly, any excess water not used for irrigation, will likely be run back
downhill through a very small microhydro system (yet to be chosen or designed),
to generate a few, to a few hundred watts, to continuously augment our solar
power and recharge the batteries. Inefficient, yes very, but convenient,
continuous and almost free....

Doug

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Not micro-hydro-electricity, but rather a (mostly) micro-hydro-irrigation experiment: We want to pump water from a creek, up a steep bank (30 feet/10m...
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Hey Doug: We would definately be interested if your system works. We work almost exclusively with agricultural projects. Richard Mackie ...
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For a commercial prop pump, Google Sling Pump....
Michael Welch
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Dear Frens, I have a better option to lift the water . Today I am going to send the documents . Please look this give me the comments. What is your idea to...
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DOUG: The stream seems to be interesting , what is the water velocity ?> Sling Pump may be a good place if the water goes above 1.5 m/s Nando ... From: Doug...
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Hi Nando (and others): Well from the private emails I've been getting, it seems that I am not alone (ie needing a solution to pumping water up over a high...
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Sagar: The microhydro group does not allow attachments, they are stripped from the message before sending the messages to the members, You can place a file or...
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Doug, My family has been pumping water this way since the '70's. We have used everything from old car fans to bankis.using one to two feet of head. In the...
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Doug; Thinking a bit, I see that you are using a propeller with a pump inline with it. Watts= 0.5 * Cp * Rho * ( Pi * R^2) * V^2 . Formula that can be applied...
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I am back from the wilderness, and happy to report the propeller-mounted water pump works fabulously. Note, this is not a boat propeller, it looks more like...
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Doug: The way you explain what you have seems to indicate that you did not do the proper calculations and analysis to determine what you can have. Or you can...
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G'day Doug, Do the blades of your prop have a profile like a bird or plane's wing or are they flat (but angled)? Could you send me a pic or two direct? Sounds...
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Yes, to get the efficiency the blades are "aerodynamic" shape, and it is ME who is doing the trialling/manufacturing! To that end, I've been getting a LOT of...
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Nando: You are correct in your calculations, but also realize that in small systems the overheads (inefficiencies) are high, and there is a big difference...
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Good morning Tony; Thank you for sharing your very complete account of these projects. I am sure that mosst of the members are more than casually familiar with...
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Hello everyone, I'm just back from the wilderness after testing a lighter-weight (shore-based) mounting stand, based on 4x4's (instead of 6x6's). It worked OK,...
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I assume the slab and walls are monolithic reinforced concrete with the slab founded on soil or rock. The structure should be analyzed as a rigid "U-frame"...
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