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summary of last 6 weeks of conversation between chris in dc and mostofa in dhaka and cross-sectional sample of universe of Yunus and Obama wellwishers in USA 
 
dear mostofa 
thanks for your tireless work for yunus19-25 year olds!
 
I am wrong age group to advise but there may be 4 most magic things for you to try and complete in dhaka this week before your return to london universities, though I invite people circulated to add
 
1 if with 100% certainty we can get 1 special dialogue day in dhaka this summer booked then I believe that everyone who has a life changing idea that they want dr yunus to say
a) yes or
b) no or
c) lets explore further to can join in that process - so doing whatever is right to getting that day booked into the diary and with at least 4 months notice so people can plan the rest of their summers around it is my vote number 1
 
I have a naughty idea to put on this dialogue as an early a,b,c agenda 1 - can university microcreditclubs develop an iq test for 5th graders - I think these questions may be usable (uni of economics at http://yunusuni.com)

Economics iq test for 5th graders

 

q1 missing times table if you borrow at 30% interest over a 10 year how much will you owe :-

3 times

between 4-5 times

between 6-8 times

between 9-12 times

over 13 times

 

Q2 Among poor nations, the country with the best banks for the poor will over 1 generation develop most – true or false

 

Q3 Among rich nations, the country with the worst banks for the poor will over 1 generation slump most towards becoming a third world nation

 

Q4 which of the following services ought Main Street’s most democratic segment of banking offer if the world is to enjoy banks as a global free market (cf my father’s article on wall street collapsed (and we will only ever get out of globalisation slump) by making banking 10 times more expensive than most people needed)

 

safe deposits

credit cards

transparent life insurance

 

 
2 if you can bring from dhaka stuff that's done but many people have never seen before that will be great; I would particularly like:
 
many  copies (say 25 pounds worth) of growing up with 2 giants
 
some copies of the great advocacy say which ever is less of 25 copies and 50 pounds worth
 
a copy for peter burgess of anything that appears to show how accounts are done -the methodology of community banking that is -
 
(I am not sure what else - maybe I need to put up a list of grameen publications somewhere and invite questions reviews of what they are, or go with what we previously budgeted)
 
3 if you can get approval for the innovating collaboration ( a review of a third of a century's worldwide action learning with bangladesh)  booklet done
 
and put into print and someone in dhaka to keep stocks of it safe
 
and to have paid the bills for the printing with the money I sent you -then we have scooped the world with a new publishing genre and we can work out when to make sure that those who are moderating yunus 10000 dvds or get to see it first
 
4 it would help an awful lot if we could get permission for you to be a pobox to anyone between ages of 19-25 who has a serious question on the deep 10 microcredits    -there must be someone in grameen who can act -eg Khalid Shams - as a chief outreach correspondent other than yunus himself; if democratizing the world bank and obama's freedom to do micro foreign assistance depends on sam daley' harris' strategy of getting 0.2 billion invested on the deepest learning exchange of microcredit (promoting jamii bora as the end poverty world's best new news) as per these 93 congress persons letters then having a hot desk contact point in dhaka where we ask questions as to what dhaka knows who in these deep 10 is leading replication of what social business franchise is vital - its vital info for grameen's own training programs of future capitalism and vital for university microcredit clubs to do 3 things:
1 create a microcleadersquest so that the most passionate 19-23 year olds on bangla5000 have enough funds to sustain their yes we can end poverty actions and peer networks
2 make microcredit uni clubs sustainable and collaborative enough as a united force to help edit the smba or unBMA
3 help stage university debates everywhere transparent democracy breathes as to why obama's yes we can generation needs to adopt dr yunus' advice - as debated with jane wales nov 08 world affairs club n. california (footnoted) -  on the overarching goal of transparency - make America’s next new sporting game a competition to end poverty  everywhere including state by state in usa in way that everyone celebrates each state that erects is poverty museum and helps lagging states catch up
 
5 I a sure I have forgotten a lot of things; your own head is perfectly good for remembering anything else over the last 6 weeks in dhaka that needs to be got to at least a certain stage so it doesn’t get forgotten-and perhaps folk circulated can help me out - oh yes I will nag any visit I make to dhaka as to why is there no subscription newsletter at top of grameen.com - I believe failing to do this cost dhaka tens of thousand of dollars a month in having to update  what could have been future capitalism single source news in more expensive ways; if I am wrong on this (as often I am) I would like someone to inform me so that we have closure on this item
 
6 I suggest you tell me what is the next time you want to fly over to Dhaka for about 5 days and I see if I can come; many of the sorts of things listed don’t need dr yunus to be there at this visit as long as his approval for trying to elevate the importance of youth running their microclubs is trusted to you and these sorts of ideas now you are about 2.,5 years into these projects including registering bangla5000 (as per your 1 hour briefing with yunus in Bali) with lamia and other co-mentors
 
thanks for all you are doing in trying to help youth save banking and so save the world; I do hope you get to Clinton uni in austin and that someone of the materials you have co-created get shared there so that micro uni clubs becomes part of transparently branding and action learning the social  fabric of obama inauguration year 1 out of every community rising
 
chris
ps thanks - as yet no news from dr yunus' publisher whitney as to whether 5 of us can have 10 minutes with dr yunus at 9pm tuesday stern though she did tell me last monday she would give me a yes or no answer ; and I expect she will when we bump into each other... however I have come to realise that if we don’t get to see dr yunus this time there are some very important things (see above) for a next time; I'd far rather get these right than cause unhappiness in dhaka or crowdiness in new york on this trip's schedule
 
What the World Needs Now : unite goal of end poverty

Jane Wales: nov 08 world affairs club, n. california chapter
Dr Yunus- because you’re the world’s best problem solver I have ever known , I am going to ask you about some of the things that are in the plate of the next president  of the united states. He will come in and he will face  
  • poverty including new poverty at home and abroad 
  • the employment crisis
  • the need to provide quality education for all
  • the need to provide affordable healthcare
  • post-conflict reconstruction and reconciliation 

if were you advising the new president, would you urge him to take an integrated approach or to deal with each independently?

 

Muhammad Yunus

well I can only tell him of my way at looking at it –first of all  if he wants to be serious about poverty – after all, the president of US is de facto the president of the world, so what he does impacts the whole world. So when he talka about poverty he provides the leadership that others take.

Now we have the millennium goals which are a wonderful set of goals which inspire all the world but were unfortunately derailed by other things that came up so first of all restore total support for the millennium development goals and withdraw from other stuff united states got involved in such as war on terror,

so concentrate on the one of  making sure we achieve the millennium goals, achieve them 100% this will be a tremendous achievement for the whole world that we have done something its not some of UN goal setting and forgetting, this is a real goal and a realty to celebrate having done it

 

and then for this president the best thing is to show total commitment of ending poverty set a new date when the world can be at zero poverty – we have 2015 at halve poverty so why don't we set the next goal zero poverty so that we know this is the direction we need to take,

 

when we set the date everything else will fall into place:

how do you measure, how do you do it there are several things that will play an important part

 

1 microcredit   because it has shown its effectiveness in unleashing the capacity of people

 

2 technology how to bring technology  to the poorest people so that they can change their whole world

 

3 healthcare

 

so its nothing separated, its integrated but you cant have one organisation doing everything, you need several organisations but focused so that everything is achieving the same goal to lift the person

 

and as the president is declaring the date for zero poverty in the whole world at the same time encourage the united states to set their date when their city be zero poverty when their county gets to zero poverty  - if someone says well we have no poverty how do you know if you have poverty or not –its very simple the first question I ask is do you have a welfare program, a welfare department? As long as you have a welfare department you have poverty, otherwise why do you have it, poverty means that nobody is on welfare tat is  clear sign so you have to close down your welfare department, find something else for those people to do, so all the related things you have to welfare you close down as you have crossed that level and you are never going back- city by city, county by county, state by state, it can be done and it will encourage everyone else –

that state can do it, we can do it

this is the way to go, so poverty will be the challenge –and once you have solved poverty other solutions come right away, environment will come right away- like in the case of bangladesh environment and our survival is an integrated problem, we are the ones on the front line – eliminated by global climate change because of our flat country, so for us its such an important issue

 

the united states missed the whole leadership on the global warming issue, never got to the Kyoto protocol and as a result the whole world got derailed,  ..so now is the chance to go back to preparing for the 2012 UN binding resolution .. that way you n=know where you are

 

the moment government becomes serious , technology starts going in, its not a question of it cant be done , simply we have to make a serious commitment that we will do it-the moment we make the serious commitment, technologies will come , how do we replace the things that are causing the problem, replacing them with new technology without harming anyone in any way

 

the present way of living life in a way which might enjoy life today but may be harming someone else’s life somewhere  on the planet, its not a good feeling: I am doing something that puts someone else life at stake because of the way I do things – so the basic principle we should all adopt, every child should be taught, every family be taught my way of living should not harm anyone else  , and that’s how I would like to live

 

its possible once you make that commitment all the environmental problems will be solved

 
previously Mostofa wrote from Dhaka:
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Hi Chris:
 
Thank you very much. Below is a list I made to do before my departure. I will work out my inbox and the list would be long. If you find anything missing, please make a shout for me.   
  1. To have the email address of Glasgow professor
  2. To get the date of Dhaka dialogue
  3. To get the way for interns contact details
  4. To finish the booklet
  5. To buy some books on Grameen & Fishes
  6. To make a CD of Norman -Yunus lunch in RAC, London
  7. To get the email of Lehman University professor (NY Broinx) who invited Yunus
  8. To have a list of Universities where Yunus visited last year
    Best Regards,
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Mostofa Zaman
Dhaka
 
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  • --- On Sat, 24/1/09, christopher macrae <chris.macrae@...> wrote:
    From: christopher macrae <chris.macrae@...>
    Subject: introductions -microconnect and Inuguration of the Age of Transparency & Collaboration
    Dear Colin
     
    My friends and I are excited to hear all about what your vision for microconnect and university clubs across East Coast USA cities and wherever the age of Obama Transparency and microcredit and social bsuiness community building is dawning
     
    a few points
     
    -what time are you arriving in new york on Tuesday? I have most of Tuesday daytime free in New York if you have a slot (I am actually DC-based)
     
    please feel able to contact Mostofa Zaman http://yunusforum.net/  any time; he grew up in rural Bangladesh; has been working on citizen and student clubs for over 2 years now as direct projects with yunus secretariat; he has an extraordinary knowledge of who's who inside Grameen as well as ability to help customize internships ; until 2 year ago, most of the 500 or so interns a year were wholly microcredit; but obviously the social business partnerships now connect potential to look at live micro projects in almost every area of vital service in the community ; he's in his 3rd year at a london university; with mostofa my friends and I printed 10000 dvds of video shorts with the various people around dr yunus and the variety of live projects; http://yunus10000.com/ ; great if I could give you a box of 100 to pass around
     
     -Mostofa has been specifically asked by Nobel peace laureate  Dr Muhammad Yunus to start registering up to 5000 under 35's most interested in exchanging knowhow between Bangladesh and rest of end poverty world; we will be combing through records of interns at grameen and hope to involve corresponding intern relationship connectors from the other major microcredits including BRAC and ASA; Rachel & Alexis in new york are well connected with how ASA wished to develop worldwide understanding. Alex in DC was one of the first people to fond microcredit clubs in schools, with some help of te young presidents association.
     
    Alex and Mostofa are due to be at Clinton Global Uni next month- it would be timely to know if you or peers may be connecting there too.I dont know if Kevin can use his influence if we need either a latecomer invite or should be asking where on the agenda CG Uni outreaches the way in which 2009 uni clubs can be different than before the Inauguration of the Age of Transparency & Collaboration
     
    Kevin has also mentioned possibilities of linking up with Sir Tom Hunter's son in Glasgow - one of the 3 liveliest social business revolution cities in Europe so far if my info is uptodate.
     
    I find myself being in an odd position of knowing a little bit about a lot of micro connections but not deeply anything ; so if people can ask what they want more info it may trigger my memory of who to try and make introductions through to
     
     We are publishing a booklet with dr yunus on Innovating Collaboration. I find that a lot of arguments go on between eg validating microfinance which miss the bigger picture that what Bangladesh has done since 1970s is provide the change from global down aid to showing that communities are best able to develop the change they need to end poverty; it is interesting going to Dhaka and seeing the microcredits buildings surrounded by slums whereas the global ngos are in the one part of ex colonial Bangladesh which looks like rich citizens lifestyles. At an order of magnitude, seeing where a microcredit's HQ is headquartered can tell a journalist more than years of phd research analysis. I believe the first 10 micro connect clubs could develop a MicroLeadersQuest social business that students can network to help sustainability investors learn which microcredit to do -ground level risk analysis if you will-  far more economically than writing fancy analyses from ivory towers. MacroMedia is a war of noise and PR lobbying- micromedia is going and seeing barefoot and word of mouthing or youtubing what feels like communal common sense and courage.
     
     
    Before visiting and filming in Bangladesh I had an eyeopening experience in 2005 in london when many ngos had declared a cooperative year of make poverty history; I found to my utter sadness that all these ngos meant they saw this as an opportunity to fundraise for their international offices; the collaboration seemed to have nothing to do with ending poverty at the localities; it was as a sense of personal revulsion to this that I became motivated to try and explore microcredit world as the one huge gravity that connects local up; of course there's an element of over-generalization here as well as lack of my own personal knowledge but since 2006 through 2008 I have been in Dc and the number of meetings hosted by global aid to carve up the budget without much trickling down almost makes me weep
    so with the new possibilities of obama and if we can unite the real microcredits and their invitation to all community up development economics to collaborate then we could leap forward in empowering the end of poverty , at least I believe we must and we can; and if we do not start the revolution this year we probably never will (in my life time) end poverty as a system failure
    perhaps the greatest irony of all is that after 9/11 an Australian professor of medicine connected a conflict resolution network and Indian Gandhians in a 2003 london conference and I accidentally walked into it; this led me to inquire about my own family history as my mother’s side had spent many generation is India; I find that my grandfather had spent 25 years being converted by Gandhi from British Raj judge who imprisoned Gandhi to person who wrote up the legalese of India’s independence;  it is as if most of global development aid and economics has lost every lesson of empowerment that Gandhi argued that system transformation beyond colonization needed to involve; only what we may can the micro-up movements and the gravity for that over 33 years in Bangladesh have really practiced Gandhi in a sustainable way; I am aware that some Americans will ask what about Ashoka; and I have exchanged quite long letters with bill drayton on this; but I do not accept the word entrepreneur should be applied to people who do not design into their system positive cashflow to reinvest back in its purpose; this particular logic is planted in my mind from my father’s 40 years of innovation/entrepreneur diaries in The Economist
    I have worked on innovation in many of the world’s largest organizations with 25000 plus employees- none practice it as empoweringly through all their employees as the main Bangladesh networks of microcredit and hopefully jamii bora
    As a mathematician who has now followed almost every metric lie global professions have designed into their own business cases for 20 years now since working for 5 years at coopers and lybrand from 1989 before making too much trouble for them on how the big 5 accountants were selling out measurements to their highest bidding clients (my senior partner actually used to have on his wall a signed testimonial from robert maxwell (one of the first of about 200 multi-billion dollar ponzi schemes that corporates have spun, making what adam smith actually meant bry free markets a sick joke) – I recommend coopers & Lybrand as they allays do precisely what I order )  I am quite prepared to be used as a stalking horse in battles such as why does the world bank make so little progress from the bottom up –or why has globalisation caused banks energy education to be 10 times more expensive or riskier than most people need -  while politer people pick up the pieces and do more detailed work- tell me what focus to start an outrage debate if you ever feel there’s an issue that needs stirring. Obama has declared this as the age of transparency – so let it be even if we have to redesign mba curricula whilst looking after the students who do
    .The view from 1984 from The UK's Senior Economics Journalist
    By 2024 we will know whether the generation that goes local to global through technology's death of distance spins social and economic systems destned to end poverty or end human sustainability. Both end games are probale - the likelihood of spinning some in-between system is next to zero if you study the maths of integration
    Here is an approximate timeline and "map" of what we need to collaborate into being if sustainability expoentials are to be our generation's gift to future generations
     
    Chris Macrae  usa 301 881 1655 (landline)
     




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