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--- In minatowheel@yahoogroups.com, "Tetragramatonah" <g0d31337@...> wrote:
>
> Wanted to run this new idea I got for a prototype. I'm going to try an
explain my hypothisis first and then I'll post the crappy photoshop drawing I
made to help give a cheap visual of what I'm talking about.
>
> The three main forces I will be combining here are 1. Magnetism (repulsion) 2.
Gravity and 3. Buoyancy
>
> Hypothisis: We can achieve unity and possibly over unity by using strong Neo
Magnets in a repullsion setup where the internal rotor has a dynamic float held
within it's core allowing 2 cylindrical magnets spaced by a foam core to free
float inside the rotor(a float like a pool float noodle foam) The magnets will
be permanently fixed to the float with north facing out (out meaning the north
polarity is at both ends of the main rotor cylinder) and floats freely inside
the rotors internal cylinder (water being the buffer between the float and the
tube encasing it, but not enough space around the float that would allow the
float to move in any direction except up and down the tube vertically). The
main rotor would have an axel on the outside of it at the middle of the cylinder
(not passing through the center of the main rotor cylinder). Around the outside
of the main rotor cylinder place permanent magnets in a static 180 degree path
arrangement with all north polarity facing inward towards the main cylinder
rotor similar to the original minato outer magnet ring (the slight spiral). The
sticky spot that we see in the typical rotor setup we have used in the minato
setups we're attemted to make in the past have almost all found fault with the
"sticky spot" where the outer magnet spiral gaps and the internal rotor gets
bounced on the closeset magnet after the gap... The design I'm proposing does
two things to remove this stick spot. 1. the main rotor must be mounted
vertically and the spin following the same allowing gravity to come into play.
2. The force of the floating mechanism inside the main cylinder rotor forces
the internal magnets to NOT make a full 360 degree circle rotation, after the
main cylinder passes the 180 degree mark of the horizon the internal float with
attatched magnets will dynamicly move toward the upper most end of the internal
cylinder bypassing the sticky spot alltogether. Restarting the repulsion cycle
to force the rotor to spin another 180 degrees.
>
> In the end this would most likely never reach a smooth spin allowing us to
create a high RPM rotor as the path of the internal float and magnets never
really make a full, smooth circular path. But, if we were to use large tubes,
large magnets and take into account the entire weight of the main cylinder used
for the rotor we may be able to produce large amounts of tourque at low RPM
giving us what we need to draw out some power.
>
> Posting my cheap photoshop diagram of the above mumbo jumbo... Let me know
what you guys think. Oh an if this shit does work, it is yours, I don't give a
damn who makes money or gets credit for the idea. If this thing works great if
not I'll scrap the idea an see what else I can come up with, I want another way
to generate power simple as that.
>
>
> ~PJ
> pj_keener@...
>
g0d31337 posted a file new idea.jpg
Where is this JPEG located? So I can lookm at it please?




Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:21 pm

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Wanted to run this new idea I got for a prototype. I'm going to try an explain my hypothisis first and then I'll post the crappy photoshop drawing I made to...
Tetragramatonah
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Oct 27, 2011
12:14 pm

tetragramatonah, I will proved some comments. two magnets of the same polarity. take a clear plastic tube place a disc shape magnet in the tube of a diameter...
david rutchik
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Oct 28, 2011
2:25 am

David, I'm a little confused by your response. The float between the two magnets composing the piston would keep this levation from accuring. For levatation...
Jay
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Oct 28, 2011
9:36 am

Found a youtube video that has a full spiral of outer magnets setup with a spinning rotor on it's side using a bindini circuit to kick the rotor past the...
Jay
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Oct 31, 2011
11:12 am

Jay, Though the system design may have difficulties the concept of a bouyancy mechanism offers a new road of potential to be explored. I'll explain latter...
david rutchik
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Nov 1, 2011
10:48 pm

Could there be a way to set up a resonating compression wave in the fluid of the bouyancy device such that its oscillations will occur in phase with the cycle...
Israel Rosa Jr.
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Nov 2, 2011
5:45 am

David, I uploaded a quick gif animation to diagram the new changes based on your input. The red line on the magnet diagrams are to designate the north facing...
Jay
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Nov 2, 2011
9:14 am

Jay, now this is what I would call waltzing matilda down at the billabong. and it is not too much more complex than the original. Getting Norman to comment...
david rutchik
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Nov 2, 2011
6:01 pm

Thanks for the kudos on the animation Norman! I guess all the years jacking with adobe photoshop has paid off(trick in creating fast animations in photoshop...
Jay
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Nov 2, 2011
9:06 pm

Jay,  I'll keep an eye on the posts. The TOMI is far less complicated than you may think once your in the track it should move to the end this is where it...
david rutchik
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Nov 2, 2011
10:34 pm

Just ran into a problem. Spoke with a Mechanical Engineer friend of mine who works with fluid dynamics... Basicly he told me that water or any liquid/gas used...
Jay
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Nov 3, 2011
3:22 am

Searched all over the place to try and find any info on the crap my friend told me.... found nothing helpfull with buoyancy using a vacuum medium, in fact...
Jay
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Nov 3, 2011
5:53 am

I figured out what my friend was trying to tell me. The displaced water is also displacing the air around it as the piston moves through displacing it and...
Jay
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Nov 3, 2011
8:25 am

In the discription for the lung I forgot to mention the weighted ball valves at the ends of the tubes inside the rotor chamber that would block water flowing...
Jay
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Nov 3, 2011
8:35 am

Jay, Did you check out what you were told? The problem is the use of the word PISTON suggesting a tightly fitting float. Take your piston float and make...
david rutchik
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Nov 3, 2011
2:54 pm

David, Thanks for anther view of the pressure issue that was described to me. My friend got a little technical and confused the hell out of me with the wave...
Jay
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Nov 3, 2011
4:33 pm

Ok, so I went out an purchased a 1.5 inch by 5 foot long schedule 40 PVC pipe. Cut them into 4 equal 15 inch lengths, weighed them and they're all 288 grams...
Jay
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Nov 4, 2011
4:55 am

I've created a folder named BPPMM and moved all the files I've made so far into that, so things don't get strung out everywhere. I've also uploaded a picture...
Jay
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Nov 4, 2011
10:12 pm

I've created a folder named BPPMM and moved all the files I've made so far into that, so things don't get strung out everywhere. I've also uploaded a picture...
Jay
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Nov 4, 2011
10:13 pm

Hi Jay I havn't been on minato wheel for a while so this is the first time I have seen your idea, are they same pole magnets facing each other on the stator...
Rusty_Springs
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Nov 11, 2011
4:10 am

One more thing I don't think gravity will play a big part in your design but there is also another weak force that will play a part and thats water repultion,...
Rusty_Springs
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Nov 11, 2011
9:20 pm

Hey Graham, I was hopen you'd chime in on this one! I'm not familiar with your rocking stator setup, I'll look through here for it in a bit. I will...
Jay
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Nov 11, 2011
10:21 pm

Hi Jay Sounds cool mate I will be waiting to see how things pan out, I hope it works out and all that layout of money is worth it. Take Care Jay Graham...
Rusty_Springs
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Nov 13, 2011
7:28 am

Jay, Let me clearify a little, I believe the concept has a  potential of success. But not in the present configuration. As the noodle float rises it will...
david rutchik
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Oct 31, 2011
8:37 pm

I think I understand a little better what you are talking about.... I was thinking that the weight of the piston would be great enough to make one end heavier...
Jay
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Nov 1, 2011
5:10 am

Jay, many of the same thoughts I had when trying to overcome the problems I also liked the spiral arrangment. I have done much of my work based on the TOMI...
david rutchik
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Nov 1, 2011
3:16 pm

... g0d31337 posted a file new idea.jpg Where is this JPEG located? So I can lookm at it please?...
Mark Turner
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Dec 1, 2011
8:12 pm
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