hi there all

yeah, sorry to all those people who mailed me asking for newsgroup
(alt.music.4-track) that i mentioned before. I got quite a few emails about it
and i wanted to post the address to the list to save individually mailing you
all, but i got bounced and gave up after the 5th time. (up until that point i
hadn't been bounced yet!). The content is really good. traffick is not huge, so
you can easily keep up with it, but there are quite a few really helpful souls
one there. So anyway, sorry, but hey, it's great this one's got a new lease on
life. Happy 4 tracking!

Rodge



At 11:27 AM 5/31/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: Pete Larson <petel@...>
>
>Hey, we're on!
>
>I'll resend one that I sent a few days ago to the old address:
>~~~~~~~~~~~
>At 01:43 PM 5/26/99 +0300, Vesa Erla wrote:
>>Rodge, what's the mission of the NG you're talking about here?
>>Would you please provide us the site address.
>>-vesa
>>
>>>...the 4track newsgroup is quite conversational, i get more out of there
>>than here....
>>>Rodge
>
>
>The 4-track NG is at alt.music.4-track . I don't find time to read it so I
>don't know much about the content. This list right here has been a great
>source of information and I've saved lots of posts from here. Usually any
>question about gear or technique starts a thread and this is the first I've
>seen it slow down so much. I've been very busy so I don't mind the lull but
>I'm sure any topic that's relevant will get discussion as usual. While I'm
>up I'll ask again what mp3 encoders are recommended and what ones seem to
>be a waste of time.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Now I know why it's been so slow and I hope everybody's been having a good
>holiday weekend.
>
>
>_ Pete Larson

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Patrick --

Not familiar at all.
I have been using the machine for a few years now and do not notice any such
thing.
Do you clean your heads before every session? Thoroughly?
Not every machine is alike, even the same type of machine. Maybe you just
have a bad fourth track?

Frank Cotolo

not moon wrote:

> From: not moon <moon@...>
>
> I've noticed the 4th track on my tascam 424mk2 give much more hiss then
> the other 3, sound familiar?
>
> patrick
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At 03:03 PM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: starnosed@... (Tucker Stilley)
>
>I'm about to do a 6 hour cassette release of Feldenkreuz excersises for
>breast cancer patients and I'm wondering - since most people will listen to
>this on creepy boomboxes - I really have no need for Dolby encoding do
>I?...please disabuse me of this if you can...

I tend to shy away from Dolby when I make tapes, generally because there
are a number of "flavors" and there's no way of telling before hand if the
folks getting my tape will have the "flavor" I used.  I also think Dolby
encoded tapes sound shrill if not played back with the proper version - way
worse than the general noise of a cassette.

I'd be interested in what others have to say.

>In addition - since I havn't recorded it yet - I'm thinking I should get a
>good all around Mic for the job (since I'm stuck with SM76 & 57's

I love my 57!  It's great for electric guitars....

>and PZM's
>and a lone Me-80 shotgun mic.)  Any reccomendations for a mic that would be
>great for voice and also work as an all around studio mic?

I also use an AKG C1000.  I'd say it's generally adequate.  It's ok for
voices, not as warm as you might like, but it's reasonably accurate.  For a
sub $200.00 mic, I think it's pretty good.  But, I've already accepted the
fact that I'm ultimately going to spend three, four, or five times that for
a vocal mic.

--Gene

They do indeed have this switch, and it is located on the rear of the 424MKII.

-Smitty

At 05:36 PM 06/01/1999 -0500, House, Greg wrote:
>From: "House, Greg" <greg.house@...>
>
>
>From: not moon <moon@...>
>
>>I've noticed the 4th track on my tascam 424mk2 give much more hiss then
>>the other 3, sound familiar?
>
>Do you have the noise reduction defeated on the track?  They often have a
>switch for this so that you can use the track for timecode (synch).  Check
>the switch, it may be called "Sync" or something like that, but a lot of
>4tks have a way to disable the NR on track 4.
>
>Greg
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From: not moon <moon@...>

>I've noticed the 4th track on my tascam 424mk2 give much more hiss then
>the other 3, sound familiar?

Do you have the noise reduction defeated on the track?  They often have a
switch for this so that you can use the track for timecode (synch).  Check
the switch, it may be called "Sync" or something like that, but a lot of
4tks have a way to disable the NR on track 4.

Greg

From: starnosed@... [SMTP:starnosed@...]

>I'm about to do a 6 hour cassette release of Feldenkreuz excersises for
>breast cancer patients and I'm wondering - since most people will listen to
>this on creepy boomboxes - I really have no need for Dolby encoding do
>I?...please disabuse me of this if you can...

Generally, if you don't know what the target player is, you're better off
doing cassettes without Dolby.  Dolby B is pretty common though, and some
are recorded with it.  I'd probably go without myself.

>In addition - since I havn't recorded it yet - I'm thinking I should get a
>good all around Mic for the job (since I'm stuck with SM76 & 57's and PZM's
>and a lone Me-80 shotgun mic.)  Any reccomendations for a mic that would be
>great for voice and also work as an all around studio mic?

What's your budget?

>I've been watching as y'all have been giving your reccomendations - initial
>interest in the Rode series and then a gradual backlash of not so pleased
>consumers....AKG seems like a good bet...a condenser mic seems smart - I
>like the way they sound sometimes....perhaps you can help me.

I'd compare them myself if I could.  I've read enough bad things about the
C3000 that I'd probably avoid it myself.  For every positive post I've seen
on it, I've seen a dozen that slammed it into the ground.  Adjectives like
"harsh, thin" etc.  While the NT-1 probably isn't a great mic, that'd
probably be the first thing I'd try in the $200 price range.

I have a CAD E100, which isn't a bad mic for many things.  Not perfect, but
I've chosen it over a 414 on some things.  My friend has a high tenor voice
and the 414 makes him sound really thin.  It has more detail, and sound more
"real", but for my friends music, we've used the E100 on his vocal to help
beef him up a little.  I've been pleased with the results.

Greg

I've noticed the 4th track on my tascam 424mk2 give much more hiss then
the other 3, sound familiar?

patrick

I'm about to do a 6 hour cassette release of Feldenkreuz excersises for
breast cancer patients and I'm wondering - since most people will listen to
this on creepy boomboxes - I really have no need for Dolby encoding do
I?...please disabuse me of this if you can...

In addition - since I havn't recorded it yet - I'm thinking I should get a
good all around Mic for the job (since I'm stuck with SM76 & 57's and PZM's
and a lone Me-80 shotgun mic.)  Any reccomendations for a mic that would be
great for voice and also work as an all around studio mic?

I've been watching as y'all have been giving your reccomendations - initial
interest in the Rode series and then a gradual backlash of not so pleased
consumers....AKG seems like a good bet...a condenser mic seems smart - I
like the way they sound sometimes....perhaps you can help me.

Oh - and by the way - Thanks for getting the list up and running again - I
missed hearing from all of you!

TS


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At 07:18 PM 6/1/99 +0300, Vesa Norilo wrote:

>>>>>>>>snip>>>>

>Then I route the signal through a tremolo unit.
>Remember to keep every effect subtle. Then add some slight stereo delay for
>room behavior, even if you're going to reverb it later.
>If it sounds too scifi and cheesy, try lowering flanger/phaser/tremolo depths
>and check they are in perfect sync. Of course you can try offsets, but keep
>them 90deg, 180deg or something like that. Experiment with phaser center
>frequency for different tones.
>
>Hope this helps some, happy tweaking!

I have no doubt this works for you. Our Sound Track cards now have some
algorithms for slow and fast Leslie that don't sound bad either. The usual
shortcoming that neither of these solves is, to me, the best Leslie effect
which is the speeding up and slowing down of the rotation. I know some fx
units do it including the Lexicon Vortex that morphs from the one effect to
the other. I picked one up several months ago and it's still waiting to be
tried. Since I have a small Leslie, that's not what I got the Vortex for
anyway and until I play with it I still won't know why I got it. I need to
get out of Retardando into Presto mode more of the time and do some
improved time budgetting.


_ Pete Larson

Hello!

My Korg Trinity has a wonderful Leslie simulator but when I want it on outboard
sounds I do things like this:
Three synced modulation effects, flanger, phaser and a tremolo. These simulate
the rotating speaker. It is best to apply these to a signal with no bass since
leslie bass speakers seldom rotate. Some guidelines for the setting up of the
effects:
A good starting point for modulation frequency is 6 Hz. Use very little if any
feedback for the flanger, and absolutely no resonance for the phaser. They
aren't supposed to sound like flanger and phaser, but to simulate the effect of
a rotating speaker. I route the flanger through a phaser, and mix both with
-25:75 wet/dry ratio. Minus means I invert the signal - for some reason this
seems to give better results since the flanger interference effect isn't so
noticeable.
Then I route the signal through a tremolo unit.
Remember to keep every effect subtle. Then add some slight stereo delay for
room behavior, even if you're going to reverb it later.
If it sounds too scifi and cheesy, try lowering flanger/phaser/tremolo depths
and check they are in perfect sync. Of course you can try offsets, but keep
them 90deg, 180deg or something like that. Experiment with phaser center
frequency for different tones.

Hope this helps some, happy tweaking!


--


  Vesa Norilo
  http://www.dlc.fi/~warder


  "Books, like friends, should be few and well chosen" - Samuel Paterson

>From: "Scott MCKNIGHT" <MCKNIGHT@...>
>
>>>> "J. Richard Simpson" <simpsoja@...> 6/1/1999 10:10:19 AM
>>>
>From: "J. Richard Simpson" <simpsoja@...>
>
>is everybody here? :)
>>>>>>>>>
>
>Anybody who is *anybody* is here.  ;)


Even us nobodies are here.

Glad to see that onelist seems to be working out,

ben.

>>> "J. Richard Simpson" <simpsoja@...> 6/1/1999 10:10:19 AM >>>
From: "J. Richard Simpson" <simpsoja@...>

is everybody here? :)
>>>>>>>>

Anybody who is *anybody* is here.  ;)

-Scott McKnight







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is everybody here? :)

At 09:20 PM 5/31/99 +1000, you wrote:
>From: Anthony Rochester <arochest@...>
>
>hi,
>
>*tap tap...  squeelch (feedback)*  uh, is this thing on?
>I think this is the right address for the new onelist version of mixmasters
>
>I don't suppose anyone has a schematic of a Hammond L100 or similar organ?
>a transformer in my hammond seems to have died, and I don't know what sort
>of transformer it is, so I can't replace it.  it is a small-ish transformer
>in the amplifier section.  the funny thing is, it only has 2 wires going to
>it (red & blue).  does anyone know what this means?  there was a crackling
>sond in the transformer, which also made a crackling sound in the speakers,
>and the organ was sounding weird and sort of overdriven.
>any help would be much appreciated
>
>
>
>A n t h o n y   R o c h e s t e r
>http://www.connex.to/anthony
>http://www.mp3.com/anthony

If you can find it anywhere, it's probably here:

http://snow.icestorm.net/mtcentral/schmatic.html

Two wires isn't a transformer, it's a choke.

David (Dragon) Fiedler, dragon@...
Learn all about recording, mixing, and making your own
audio tapes and CDs at http://homerecording.com
It's fun and it's free!

At 11:33 PM 5/31/99 -0400, Andrew Hearst wrote:
>From: Andrew Hearst <hearst@...>
>
>
>Glad to see the list is back up.
>
>Has a digest version of the list been set up yet? If not, are there plans
>to set one up?
>
>Thanks ...

Sure, just log on to the onelist site (Member Center) and change your
preferences, or send email to

mixmasters-digest@onelist.com

and it should set you up.

David (Dragon) Fiedler, dragon@...
Learn all about recording, mixing, and making your own
audio tapes and CDs at http://homerecording.com
It's fun and it's free!

Hello David,

David Fiedler wrote:
>
> From: David Fiedler <dragon@...>
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you can read this, it worked!

Thank you very much!

Best wishes!

Dmitry

Hello Pete,
Hello David,
Hello Mixmasters,

Pete Larson wrote:
>
> From: Pete Larson <petel@...>
>
> Hey, we're on!

Yeah!!!

My congratulations to everybody on the list! We are together again!
Thank you, David!

Good luck!

Dmitry

Glad to see the list is back up.

Has a digest version of the list been set up yet? If not, are there plans
to set one up?

Thanks ...

There is an MP3 encoder called "Right Click" that lets you do just that on
a .wav file to encode. It also decodes back to .wav. Pretty fast and high
quality. And to top it off---it's freeware!  A great app. Check it out at
http://www.execpc.com/MrShannon/rc-mp3/

  -Billy



<< While I'm up I'll ask again what mp3 encoders are recommended and what
ones seem to
>be a waste of time.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~

Vesa Erla
  I use a Motion sound leslie with a Voce Micro B and run it in
stereo, a little compression and some effects. So far it sounds
pretty close to the real thing ..and you are right ..ain't nuttin like
a real B with a big wooden leslie. This will do for a small studio
and live work with out the lifting

Joe Pilloud
  City Boy Prod.

Heyhowdy.  My first post in a while and the first to the new Mixmasters.  I
don't know if this is going to everyone or just Anthony...

Anthony,

There's a guy who posts on alt.guitar.amps by the name of Lord Valve.  He's an
amp guru and a Hammond guru.  He can be a little crusty but he's very free with
good info for folks who ask nice.  Write LV (aka Fat Willy) at
detritus@....  Or post the question to a.g.a and see who responds.

Buena Suerte,
Scott McKnight


>>> Anthony Rochester <arochest@...> 5/31/1999 7:20:21 AM >>>
From: Anthony Rochester <arochest@...>

hi,

*tap tap...  squeelch (feedback)*  uh, is this thing on?
I think this is the right address for the new onelist version of mixmasters

I don't suppose anyone has a schematic of a Hammond L100 or similar organ?
a transformer in my hammond seems to have died, and I don't know what sort
of transformer it is, so I can't replace it.  it is a small-ish transformer
in the amplifier section.  the funny thing is, it only has 2 wires going to
it (red & blue).  does anyone know what this means?  there was a crackling
sond in the transformer, which also made a crackling sound in the speakers,
and the organ was sounding weird and sort of overdriven.
any help would be much appreciated



A n t h o n y   R o c h e s t e r
http://www.connex.to/anthony
http://www.mp3.com/anthony



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Hello,

AudioCatalyst is good, but I also tried MusicMatch Jukebox 3.1..and its very,
good, and fast.   And the quality is very good.  And its only 29.95, and it
has a lot many options too.. so I would check that out also ontop of
audiocatalyst.

~Eric

Hi David and gang,
nice to see the list back in business.

Thanks for the 4-track info Pete (yes, there's so little time...).
I know virtually nothing about mp3 encoders, but have been
thinking about them lately too.

Another thing which must have been talked about
for a thousand times before, myself included, me thinks,
but I have this something called dementia (they say):

Any comments and solutions for achieving good Leslie-sound.
My DigiGarage is quite filled with the bad ones.
Is there a reasonable dx/vst-plug or something for the job?
The Real Thing is a true monster - but the sound, ahh -
can't be beaten. How do you guys do it?

Best,
-vesa

>From: Pete Larson <petel@...>

>The 4-track NG is at alt.music.4-track . I don't find time to read it so I
>don't know much about the content.
>...
>While I'm up I'll ask again what mp3 encoders are recommended
>and what ones seem to be a waste of time.

lookin for quality mp3 encoders? look at the audio catalyst, its 20 or 30
bucks and so far haven't had much problems with it.  it got excellent reviews
(and look here for reviews on other encoders) and MP3.com

best of luck
brian hill

Hey, we're on!

I'll resend one that I sent a few days ago to the old address:
~~~~~~~~~~~
At 01:43 PM 5/26/99 +0300, Vesa Erla wrote:
>Rodge, what's the mission of the NG you're talking about here?
>Would you please provide us the site address.
>-vesa
>
>>...the 4track newsgroup is quite conversational, i get more out of there
>than here....
>>Rodge


The 4-track NG is at alt.music.4-track . I don't find time to read it so I
don't know much about the content. This list right here has been a great
source of information and I've saved lots of posts from here. Usually any
question about gear or technique starts a thread and this is the first I've
seen it slow down so much. I've been very busy so I don't mind the lull but
I'm sure any topic that's relevant will get discussion as usual. While I'm
up I'll ask again what mp3 encoders are recommended and what ones seem to
be a waste of time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now I know why it's been so slow and I hope everybody's been having a good
holiday weekend.


_ Pete Larson

Hi,

Can anyone tell me where I can buy a demagnetizer for my 4 track?

patrick

hi,

*tap tap...  squeelch (feedback)*  uh, is this thing on?
I think this is the right address for the new onelist version of mixmasters

I don't suppose anyone has a schematic of a Hammond L100 or similar organ?
a transformer in my hammond seems to have died, and I don't know what sort
of transformer it is, so I can't replace it.  it is a small-ish transformer
in the amplifier section.  the funny thing is, it only has 2 wires going to
it (red & blue).  does anyone know what this means?  there was a crackling
sond in the transformer, which also made a crackling sound in the speakers,
and the organ was sounding weird and sort of overdriven.
any help would be much appreciated



A n t h o n y   R o c h e s t e r
http://www.connex.to/anthony
http://www.mp3.com/anthony

> From: sanctum@...
>
> Thanks David for your efforts.

I second this . . .good on ya Dave!!!

T.C


> David Fiedler wrote:
>
>> From: David Fiedler <dragon@...>
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> If you can read this, it worked!
>>
>> Send future posts to mixmasters@onelist.com
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David (Dragon) Fiedler, dragon@...
>> Learn all about recording, mixing, and making your own
>> audio tapes and CDs at http://homerecording.com
>> It's fun and it's free!

Thanks David for your efforts.



David Fiedler wrote:

> From: David Fiedler <dragon@...>
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you can read this, it worked!
>
> Send future posts to mixmasters@onelist.com
>
> Best regards,
>
> David (Dragon) Fiedler, dragon@...
> Learn all about recording, mixing, and making your own
> audio tapes and CDs at http://homerecording.com
> It's fun and it's free!
>
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Hi there,

If you can read this, it worked!

Send future posts to mixmasters@onelist.com

Best regards,

David (Dragon) Fiedler, dragon@...
Learn all about recording, mixing, and making your own
audio tapes and CDs at http://homerecording.com
It's fun and it's free!