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OK, both to start an actual discussion and to test Yahoo! Groups,
which seems to be buggy right now, here's a question to you.

We all know we should use media queries in order to make our layout
compatible to the many screen sizes out there. BUT: neither IE8 or
lower nor Symbian WebKit (the most-used browsers on the desktop and
mobile side, in other words) support them.

How are we going to solve this issue?

Make the default layout desktop-compatible and overrule it for mobile?
That helps IE users, but not Symbian WebKit users. Besides, I feel
that the mobile view (or at least, the simple view without any frills)
should be the default.

Or are we going to use a clever script? That's possible, I suppose
(reading out window.innerWidth gives you a good clue as to what's
going on)

Or something else entirely?

ppk



Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:21 am

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OK, both to start an actual discussion and to test Yahoo! Groups, which seems to be buggy right now, here's a question to you. We all know we should use media...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
10:21 am

What´s wrong with a server-side browsercheck and give the css per device?...
unbonche Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
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Nothing. Server-side + media queries is the swiss knife for me. ... Nothing. Server-side + media queries is the swiss knife for me. El 15/09/2010 12:58,...
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Sep 15, 2010
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... I've been stung by going with the simplest view as the default. That was in the context of using JavaScript to adapt a layout to a 800px wide view and...
Alastair
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Sep 15, 2010
10:59 am

... All CSS is loaded and parsed before the page is rendered, but scripts can fire at any time and lead to ugly flashes as you describe. That's why a CSS...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
11:17 am

... What's wrong with optimising for Symbian and using conditional comments to bring back some glory to IE8? Sounds like duplication of effort and a less than...
Guilherme Zühlke...
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Sep 15, 2010
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2010/9/15 Guilherme Zühlke O´Connor <guioconnor@...> ... Yes, it seems that that's the best solution for now. It can definitely work. The only thing we...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
1:26 pm

... Does anybody know as what / how the 'new' IE Mobile identifies itself - to be used within conditional comments. Or shall we really(?) expect it as...
andreas.windt Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
2:13 pm

From my experience, IE mobile does NOT support conditional comments, but I haven't tried with different doctypes yet. I remember (that project was two years...
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Sep 15, 2010
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Hmm … it seems IE mobile in fact does support conditional comments, see http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/ie-6-mobile-standards-compliance-tests/ - the...
andreas.windt Offline Send Email Sep 17, 2010
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Yes, IE Mobile will support conditional comments in Windows Phone 7. We are adding media queries for IE9. Joe Marini Principal Program Manager, Windows Phone ...
Joe
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Sep 17, 2010
7:02 pm

... Great and great! Is the syntax of conditional comments on mobile any different from its desktop counterparts so they can be targeted individually? G. -- ...
Guilherme Zühlke ...
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Sep 17, 2010
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Yes, you can use the term "IEMobile" in your conditional comments to single out IE on Windows Phone 7. Joe ________________________________ From: Guilherme...
Joe
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Sep 17, 2010
8:09 pm

... well that's great news so it seems we could agree on coming down to some outline as this? - mobile first - include mobile styles first (may be enhanced...
andreas.windt Offline Send Email Sep 18, 2010
11:12 am

Hello, In response to ... I assume you meant differentiating Nokia/Symbian WebKit from other WebKits? This one is actually fairly easy (but of course prone to ...
Stephanie Rieger
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Sep 18, 2010
2:49 pm

By the way, has anyone ever tried building a media-query API on the server side? It might be quite nice to be able to quiz a device database (at the time the...
James Pearce
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Sep 18, 2010
4:46 pm

As the matter of fact, we have just started to work on a solution for that. All this client side magic sounds fine, and don't misunderstand, I am all for...
jonfravolda Offline Send Email Sep 19, 2010
5:45 pm

Fortunately, it is possible to distinguish IE6 Mobile from its' desktop counterparts. Not with conditional comments (it reads those just like the desktop IE6),...
Matthew
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Sep 18, 2010
11:48 pm

... Does that mean you'll switch to IE9 in due time? That would be GREAT news. ppk...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 18, 2010
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Nothing to announce yet on IE9, but stay tuned... :-)   ________________________________ From: Peter-Paul Koch <pp.koch@...> To:...
Joe
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Sep 20, 2010
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Hello, A brief (for now...) reply to contribute to this point... ... Nokia's has released 77 Symbian WebKit devices to date (...as of yesterday with the Nokia...
Stephanie Rieger
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Sep 15, 2010
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... Thanks for this mail; very useful. A few points below. ... When did the switch to 525 happen? Just now with Symbian^3? I've only tested 413 devices until...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
6:38 pm

Hi all, Just a quick note below, although I'm sure Stephanie is able to give more detailed answers. 2010/9/15 Peter-Paul Koch <pp.koch@...> ... ...
Harri Hälikkä
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Sep 15, 2010
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... Thanks, hadn't found that one yet. (Navigating the Nokia sites is ... challenging.) I will have to significantly revise my classification scheme. I also...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
7:23 pm

Hello, Thanks Harri for forwarding that link. It's about the best breakdown available at the moment on Forum Nokia. The tricky bit with these devices is...
Stephanie Rieger
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Sep 15, 2010
8:46 pm

... Marvellous. ... Phew! Relief and gratitude. I really wasn't looking forward to repeating my Symbian tests on even more devices. Awaiting the full list...
Peter-Paul Koch
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Sep 15, 2010
9:20 pm

It seems that some new versions of Symbian WebKit support media queries. On my blog I have but the following: @media handheld, screen and (max-width: 800px),...
gonzomir Offline Send Email Sep 15, 2010
9:31 pm

Okay, having thought this over a bit, I think we can solve the problem with just two stylesheets - and without any browser downloading more than one! The key...
Matthew Babbs
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Sep 19, 2010
1:28 am

Great! I played a bit with it ... <!-- For Internet Explorer 8 and below, including IE Mobile, use this stylesheet --> <!--[if lte IE 8]> <link...
Andreas Windt
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Sep 19, 2010
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