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Tomorrow my company Blue Flavor is officially launching our first product called Leaflets. 

Leaflets are small, mobile web-based applications you access from Safari on your iPhone. We designed them to not only look great, but to run fast over AT&T's EDGE network.

Check them out http://www.getleaflets.com and feel free to shoot me any thoughts or feedback to brian@....

Thanks,
Brian

Brian FlingDirector of Strategy/Principal
Blue Flavor web and mobile design
office:   +1 206 545-0210
mobile: +1 206 351-6060


Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:10 am

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Tomorrow my company Blue Flavor is officially launching our first product called Leaflets. Leaflets are small, mobile web-based applications you access from ...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
7:10 am

Nice. Any chance they might work on Opera Mobile (not mini) or Nokia's S60 browser? How about NetFront? It just seems a little near-sighted to only support one...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
7:50 am

Hear hear! I agree with Bryan, although I can not check the demo (I have no Safari, am running Windows XP (and Safari does not work on my box)). Maybe there...
Miha Valencic
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Jul 16, 2007
7:53 am

Brian, As per Miha's comment - are there things that Safari can handle that other mobile browsers can't? I'd be very interested to hear anything in this regard...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
10:15 am

The big advantage to Safari on the iPhone is CSS3 support, which allows developers to do a lot with the design with relatively little markup, keeping the...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
2:22 pm

Brian, I've heard this fact about Javascript and battery life stated several times. However, in speaking with a few hardware engineers and mobile browser devs...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
2:30 pm

... The way i understand it, Ajax is not simply about Javascript, but more about continuously opening HTTP requests and hitting the network (i.e.sending and...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
2:39 pm

So, it's not Javascript that is the culprit in regards to battery life - but rather the radio/network connection (hardware) used in an Ajax call? That would...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
3:01 pm

Since it's network activity that drains the most power, that would imply AJAX done right can save battery rather than drain it? AJAX gives us the ability to...
Olly Wright
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Jul 16, 2007
3:17 pm

If it worked that way it would - but currently the browser itself actually manages the connection with the hardware - ie: the prompt "Would you like to connect...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
4:24 pm

Bryan, Javascript/ECMAscript may create some small performance issue with the loading of a page but it's effect on the battery will be nominal....
David Adams
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Jul 16, 2007
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I will totally defer to the device guys on this. At Mobile 2.0, "Javascript" was a huge topic of concern, which I actually hadn't heard prior to the event. But...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
3:02 pm

Since this is a pretty well known obstacle it wouldn't surprise me if this issue isn't extinct in the next year, but I haven't heard of many devices that claim...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
2:54 pm

Let's be real clear about this AJAX != Javascript. If you start making a ton of browser connections to a server using AJAX you are going put some load on...
David Adams
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Jul 16, 2007
3:00 pm

... by the way, where can I download Safari for Windows? Luca...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
2:36 pm

http://www.apple.com/safari/...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
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... thanks. Last time I checked a few months back there was no such thing as Safari for Windows. A dead sourceforge project was all I found at the time.... ...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
3:19 pm

luca, you can download the public beta @ http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ regards timo...
Timo Wagner
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Jul 16, 2007
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... I did. Thanks. Much smoother fonts than Opera, Firefox and MSIE. Very nice. Luca...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
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... you do not know much about mobile, do you? Luca...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
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Luca, was that actually meant to be a question? Yes, I am well aware of how fragmented the mobile space is (browsers included), but I fail to see how building...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
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OK Bryan, this sounds like a better message than the one before. I hope my reaction did not sound too harsh. I have no particular connection to BlueFavor, but...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
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Hey Luca, I'm mainly questioning the whole idea of developing for one device/browser/network - especially from Brian who has posted such wonderful thoughts as...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
10:32 am

... The web seems a recurring obsession with many mobil developers. Why isn't this the web? why does this need to be different than the web? let's assume this...
Luca Passani
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Jul 16, 2007
12:43 pm

... Huh? ... Yeah - we've all got our opinions on this matter and if I ask 100 different people I'll get 100 different answers. Luca - your opinion is noted. ...
Bryan Rieger
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Jul 16, 2007
2:20 pm

Bryan, I'm going to write up an article this week that gets a lot more specific about why we chose to start with the iPhone. I had to admit like as Luca...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
2:46 pm

Bryan, Yes, our intent is to support more browsers not just Safari on the iPhone. The problem isn't web standards rather the how mobile browsers render them...
Brian Fling
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Jul 16, 2007
2:23 pm

brian, i would love to see the demo, but telling prospective customers to use another browser is - well - a bit overbearing ("This demo requires Safari 3.0 or...
Timo Wagner
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Jul 16, 2007
8:16 am

Safari on the iPhone is the same engine as Safari 2.0.4 running on Tiger (the one *I* am running), it would be nice to have the demo running on it, at least. ...
Andrea Trasatti
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Jul 16, 2007
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