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Re: 2007 WD5? (potential Mars impactor)

--- In mpml@yahoogroups.com, "Christian" <chrisk0304@...> wrote:
>
> Horizons has a new orbit solution which includes the three precovery
observations. The
> new solution gives a nominal Close Approach distance between Mars
and 2007 WD5
> on January 30.49044 of 0.000140 AU and a probability of a Mars
impact of 3.949% (or 1 :
> 25):

The reason for the discrepancy between these results and those I gave
in my previous post is that (perhaps arbitrarily) I discarded the
following two observations having residuals substantially larger than
the average, while JPL did not.
2007 12 04.22377
2007 12 05.2261
If I include the above observations in my MonteCarlo runs, I get
nearly the same results as JPL.

I am not expert in probability and statistics, but I would say that a
probability estimate which is so crucially dependent on two
observations lying among others in the middle of the observational arc
is in itself very uncertain. In other words, it seems to me that even
the error estimate is affected by a large error ... :-)

Regards
Aldo Vitagliano






Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:04 pm

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Assuming an approach this close will it change the orbit enough to cause a future Earth close approach? don ... precovery observations. The ... and 2007 WD5 ...
Don Galt
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Dec 28, 2007
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... observations. The ... and 2007 WD5 ... The reason for the discrepancy between these results and those I gave in my previous post is that (perhaps...
Aldo Vitagliano
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Dec 28, 2007
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... I think JPL pages list close approaches to otehr planets, but I don't know where for sure. NEODyS has data on the January 30 close pass by Mars: ...
Alan W Harris
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Dec 21, 2007
8:07 am

Hi Alan, ... From media sensationalism? ... patrick p.s. Have you seen the new twist on the star naming scheme? http:// www.nameastarlive.com At least they...
Patrick Wiggins
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Dec 21, 2007
8:19 am

There is a NASA press release coming out on this today. We'll also post some graphics on the NEO website. Stay tuned. Ron Baalke...
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Dec 21, 2007
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Any chance of tasking the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter to get an image near closest approach? I realize imaging the ground is much different from imaging a...
Jim Baer
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Dec 21, 2007
8:51 am

Hi All, During the course of searching for orbital similarities between pairs of minor planets, I ran across a couple that seemed unusually similar: 1999 XG88...
Matson, Robert D.
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Dec 21, 2007
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Remarkable case! The two come close every 1086.5 years +/- a few months. The close approaches occur in doublets or in triplets. The last one was on 2007/7/17...
Aldo Vitagliano
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Dec 22, 2007
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Hi All, Is anyone else having trouble connecting with scully.cfa.harvard.edu today? The Minor Planet & Comet Ephemeris Service hangs when queried, yet the MPC...
Matson, Robert D.
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Dec 27, 2007
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... MPES was working at 22:55 UT, when i tested it. Also distant artificial Sats page. This page currently has an entry for the EPOXI spacecraft, due to make a...
Tony Beresford
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Dec 27, 2007
11:21 pm

Hi Aldo, Thanks for the close-approach info on (71049) & (128214)! Here's another pair of asteroids that clearly share a common ancestor: (1270) Datura Epoch...
Matson, Robert D.
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Dec 28, 2007
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Very interesting indeed. These two orbits are so incredibly similar that one can calculate "on the back of an envelope" that they lap each other only once in...
Alan W Harris
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Dec 28, 2007
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... I don't know why, but my email program burped and mailed an incomplete and un-checked draft of my intended post. The above section should have read: ".......
Alan W Harris
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Dec 28, 2007
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http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006Sci...312.1490N Dear all please have a look at the enclosed URL for information about the Datura cluster sincerely Sergio...
Sergio Foglia
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Dec 28, 2007
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I couldn't access the article from the link below, but here is a direct link to a PDF (which identifies 2003 SQ168 as part of the Datura family): ...
Eric J. Christensen
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Dec 28, 2007
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The distance between two asteroids (1270) Datura and 2003SQ168 grows almost linear from about 5 mln km to 11 mln km in the time span - 3000, +3000 year. The...
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Dec 29, 2007
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... Hi Robert, Given for granted the extreme similarity of the orbital elements of the two bodies, I just want to point out that in this case it is worthless...
Aldo Vitagliano
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Dec 30, 2007
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According to MPCES, 2003 SQ168 has been observed from 2002 Apr to 2003 Nov. The arc can be significantly increased at the current opposition. Tonight it is...
Robert McNaught
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Hi all, I've just performed a single-night recovery of 2003 SQ168, it's within 1' from predicted position at mag. 20.6-20.8 R. Astrometry just sent to the MPC....
Luca Buzzi
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Jan 1, 2008
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Hi All, My software has turned up another pair of asteroids (Hungarias this time) in essentially the same orbit: (63440) 2001 MD30 Epoch 2007 Oct. 27.0 TT =...
Matson, Robert D.
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Jan 2, 2008
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This pair of objects is fascinating on several levels. First of all, I agree, two orbits cannot remain so similar for any significant amount of time, nor can...
Alan W Harris
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Jan 2, 2008
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Are the orbital arcs long enough that integrations over umpteen thousand years has any meaning? And would it help if there were archive plates available...
Brian Skiff
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Jan 2, 2008
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AstDys shows the one-sigma variation in "a" for the three-opposition 2004 TV14 at 1.6e-06 AU, which is 35% of the difference between the "a" value for 2004...
Andrew Lowe
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Jan 3, 2008
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... Not really... half an hour total at most for the data miners here on the list. A prediction for POSS I + DSS1 + DSS2 is a matter of seconds. (63440) is...
Reiner M. Stoss
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Jan 3, 2008
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... Checked the plate. Nice trail and easily measurable. That will extend the 2001-2004 to 1993-2004 for 2004 TV14. ...
Reiner M. Stoss
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Jan 3, 2008
12:15 am

Wo, I'm impressed at how quickly people on this list resond with useful contributions. A longer arc can't hurt, but as I mentioned in my post to Brian Skiff,...
Alan W Harris
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Jan 3, 2008
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Nice job, Reiner, tracking down an image that nicely shows 2004 TV14. Since you've already got a good head start, please feel free to submit as much (or as...
Matson, Robert D.
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Jan 3, 2008
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The current orbital arcs are sufficient to examine the question of how fast they diverge due to planetary perturbations. for example, the shorter arc, of 2004...
Alan W Harris
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Jan 3, 2008
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The distance between two asteroids (63440) 2001 MD30 and 2004 TV14 decreases almost linear from about 50 mln km to 10 mln km in the time span -3000 B.C., +3000...
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Jan 3, 2008
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If I understand correctly, the separation is decreasing with time. If so, what happens at about 4500 A.D. (it's "politically correct" to use "C.E." instead of...
Alan W Harris
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