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Reply | Forward Message #21075 of 22666 |

Today the object with the provisional designation 8TA9D69 was
submitted to impact monitoring by using the normal software of the
NEODyS system, by using the observations as reported by the MPC on the
NEO Confirmation Page.

The results were as follows (this is the Risk file in the usual format)

Object: 8TA9D69

date MJD sigma sigimp dist +/- width stretch p_RE
exp. en. PS
YYYY/MM (RE) (RE) RE/sig
MT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
------------------
2008/10/07.116 54746.116 2.824 0.000 1.91 +/- 0.001 4.01E-03 9.98E-01
6.01E-04 1.69


Based on 26 optical observations (of which 0 are rejected as outliers)
from 2008/10/06.278 to 2008/10/06.643.

Coordinates are given on the Target Plane
Unit is one Earth radius, but impact cross section
has radius between 2.02 and 2.02 Earth radii

The probability of impact is, according to different computations done
in slightly different ways, between 99.8% and 100%; in practice the
impact can be considered sure and is for tonight. Our computation has
already been confirmed independently by others, including the JPL NEO
group (with which we consult in all relevant cases of possible
impact).

The other important result is that the confidence ellipse for the
arrival of this object on the atmosphere is very small, thus it is
possible to predict this atmospheric entry point within tens of
kilometers. Unfortunately we are not equipped to do this computation
on short notice, but others are doing this (some already have).

The effect of this atmospheric impact will be the release, in either a
single shot or maybe a sequence of explosions, of about 1 kiloton of
energy. This means that the damage on the ground is expected to be
zero. The location of these explosions is not easy to predict due to
the atmospheric braking effects. The only concern is that they might
be interpreted as something else, that is man-made explosions. Thus in
this case, the earlier the public worldwide is aware that this is a
natural phenomenon, which involves no risk, the better.

The NEODys team

Andrea Milani, Maria Eugenia Sansaturio, Fabrizio Bernardi, Giovanni B.
Valsecchi

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Andrea Milani Comparetti
Dipartimento di Matematica
Piazzale B. Pontecorvo 5
56127 PISA ITALY

tel. +39-050-2213254 fax +39-050-2213224
cellular phone +39-349-4482751
E-mail: milani@...
WWW: http://adams.dm.unipi.it/~milani/
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Today the object with the provisional designation 8TA9D69 was submitted to impact monitoring by using the normal software of the NEODyS system, by using the...
Andrea Milani
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Oct 6, 2008
6:08 pm

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K08/K08T50.html ... The nominal orbit given above has 2008 TC3 coming to within one earth radius around Oct. 7.1. The absolute...
Reiner M. Stoss
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Oct 6, 2008
6:15 pm

My software Solex predicts the impact in the area of Northern Sudan (about 33° E, 21° N) Regards Aldo Vitagliano Aldo Vitagliano Dip. di Chimica, Universita'...
Aldo Vitagliano
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Oct 6, 2008
7:19 pm

Hi all, Please note that MPC has posted two more MPECs for this object: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K08/K08T51.html ...
Bill J Gray
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Oct 6, 2008
7:44 pm

Hi folks, MPC appears to be doing a good job of getting the astrometry for this object posted briskly. Still, this might be an excellent time to post your...
Bill J Gray
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Oct 6, 2008
7:47 pm

Hi Bill, just sent to te MPC: COD 204 ACK Batch (613) CON L. Buzzi, Via A. Del Sarto 3, Varese, Italy [astrogeo@...] AC2 luca_buzzi@... OBS L....
Luca Buzzi
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Oct 6, 2008
7:51 pm

Hi folks, MPC is indeed staying on top of this object, with a few more MPECs released. Using all data available as of this moment, I get the following: ...
Bill J Gray
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Oct 6, 2008
8:41 pm

M.P.E.C. 2008-T50 Issued 2008 Oct. 6, 14:59 UT 2008 TC3 Observations: K08T03C* C2008 10 06.27767 23 17 00.78 +07 49 22.7...
Alan W Harris
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Oct 6, 2008
8:45 pm

Hi folks, A few things: If anyone can confirm my ephemeris, including impact point and time, using something other than Find_Orb, I'd appreciate it. I am...
Bill J Gray
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Oct 6, 2008
9:05 pm

It will come from the WEST, not east (slightly north of due west, about azimuth 281 degrees). Christian Kjærnet...
Christian
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Oct 6, 2008
9:27 pm

... will enter the earth's atmosphere over northern Sudan (according to S. Chesley, Jet Propulsion Laboratory) around Oct. 7.115, moving east to west. ... ...
Reiner M. Stoss
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Oct 6, 2008
9:37 pm

... And this CfA press release as well: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/2008/pr200819.html ... The meteor is expected to be visible from eastern Africa as an...
Reiner M. Stoss
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Oct 6, 2008
9:45 pm

... Hello All releases that i saw today say's that this meteoroid surely will not survive in the atmosphere. Are they any circumstances that this meteoroid has...
Przemyslaw Zoladek
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Oct 6, 2008
11:27 pm

Hi there, Recently there was modelling done on impactors. I can't find the link at the moment, but it said that you don't need a large impactor to create an...
Alan Cahill
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Oct 6, 2008
11:41 pm

... The nominal albedo of 0.14 with an absolute magnitude H = 30.4 makes it around 3 m in diameter. If I were to bet on it... hmmm, the last bet I had with...
Alan W Harris
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Oct 7, 2008
12:14 am

Hi Alan Yes I agree , no bet this time. I actually agree with you!!! I will toss into the hat £10 towards Richard getting a piece of the meteorite. Take care ...
Alan Cahill
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Oct 7, 2008
12:26 am

Hey Richard, It looks like there are plenty of people on this group who will put in contributions to purchasing a fragment of this meteorite. Being a meteorite...
Alan Cahill
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Oct 7, 2008
12:51 am

... Remember that asteroidal bodies form from collisions so even iron/rocky bodies can be heavily fractured. Typically they breakup at pressures much lower...
Robert McNaught
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Oct 7, 2008
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Hi Christian, (And Rob Matson, who noticed the same problem) I got nailed by the use of the 'astronomical' convention, wherein S=0. Thanks for the catch....
Bill J Gray
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Oct 6, 2008
9:47 pm

Hi Bill, I, too, saw that small MOID for Mars. Now wouldn't that be something -- we could be getting a Mars sample return mission for free! Based on the...
Matson, Robert D.
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Oct 6, 2008
10:24 pm

... Any chance it will not "enter" at all but get "reflected"? R....
Reiner M. Stoss
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Oct 6, 2008
9:33 pm

... There is. See Hills and Goda (1997), Planet.Space.Sci., Vol.45, p.595 who showed meteoroids can get captured into Earth orbits by grazing atmospheric...
Tomasz Kwiatkowski
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Oct 6, 2008
9:54 pm

Well, no, an entry angle of 18 degrees is way more than "grazing". An entry like the one over the Tetons in the U.S. had an entry angle that was mainly a...
Alan W Harris
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Oct 6, 2008
10:31 pm

Hi Alan, ... there is ... low ... area ... where ... get ... mostly ... Here's what the meteorite hunting grounds (Nubian Desert) will look like: ...
Matson, Robert D.
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Oct 6, 2008
10:54 pm

IMHO the atmosphere entry location is still uncertain und thus (plus atmosphere effects etc.) the possible meteorites impact area more than ever. We have just...
Mike Kretlow
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Oct 6, 2008
11:13 pm

Hi Mike, I'd say we have the impact point nicely nailed down (and a tip of the hat to the many people who have been getting astrometry on this object; as I...
Bill J Gray
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Oct 7, 2008
12:37 am

Hi Bill, after updating my astrometric positions to all that MPECs I agree with you concerning the entry location over northern Sudan. Now all my reasonable...
Mike Kretlow
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Oct 7, 2008
1:34 am

Path of risk for 2008TC3: time position JD-2454745.5;E[deg]; N[deg] 1.11620 32.170 20.539 1.11620 32.200 20.534 1.11620 32.230 20.528 1.11620...
wlodarczyk_i
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Oct 6, 2008
9:42 pm

How interesting. If pieces are recovered and one is sent to Richard, he would be the first asteroid discoverer to possess a part of a body he discovered....
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Oct 6, 2008
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