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Some of you might have noticed an unusually bright object 04F0011 on NEOCP.
Although on discovery images we didn't see any coma, my only reasonable
explanation of this is a comet in outburst. According to some high accuracy
photometry just published on NEOCP, this object is also brightening
rapidly. So, apart from astrometry, I think it would be very useful to get
some deep, high resolution images as well as spectra and photometry of this
object. I asked some astronomers on La Palma, but the weather is not very
promising here. Thank you.

Jure Skvarč


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Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:39 am

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Some of you might have noticed an unusually bright object 04F0011 on NEOCP. Although on discovery images we didn't see any coma, my only reasonable explanation...
Jure Skvarc
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Apr 16, 2010
11:40 am

Hi to all, Perhaps I will have the possibility to make photometry with more filters this evening. Roberto Haver 157 Frasso Sabino...
Roberto Haver
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Apr 16, 2010
1:18 pm

Telescope: 2.0-m Faulkes Telescope South (f/10.0 Ritchey-Chretien + CCD) Observing window: 2010 Apr 16 12:02-12:27 UT Total of 13 images made in 1.5 arcsec...
RICHARD MILES
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Apr 16, 2010
2:41 pm

Further to my earlier report, I can now report observations of object 04F0011 in three color indices measured on 2010 Apr 16.51 as follows: g'-r'=0.503 ...
RICHARD MILES
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Apr 16, 2010
4:26 pm

... More importantly, can you rule out that the colors resemble an asteroid? That is, are the colors of a cometary dust coma unique?...
Dave Tholen
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Apr 16, 2010
7:28 pm

... That's well within the range of possible rotational variation. Be careful interpreting peak pixel values. If two stellar sources of identical brightness...
Dave Tholen
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Apr 16, 2010
7:26 pm

Dave, This object appears to be non-asteroidal in nature. The image is definitely well-oversampled in the 2.0-m FTS images given the 0.28 arcsec pixel size ...
RICHARD MILES
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Apr 16, 2010
8:22 pm

With all of these confirming observations and with the incredible uncertainty of this object, why has it not been placed on the MPC NEO objects? Asteroidal or...
P. Clay Sherrod
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Apr 16, 2010
8:38 pm

Make that: "An MPEC needs to be issued on this target......" Clay _____ Dr. P. Clay Sherrod Arkansas Sky Observatories MPC H45 - Petit Jean Mountain South MPC...
P. Clay Sherrod
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Apr 16, 2010
8:39 pm

Hi Clay, ... I'm curious: why do you think so? MPC should hold off, in my humble opinion (and I suspect theirs, though I don't really know), until there's...
Bill J Gray
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Apr 16, 2010
9:27 pm

...   If the comet reports they have received so far are not conclusive enough, what is their choice? To announce a H=8.7 asteroid discovery in the Inner...
rstoss@...
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Apr 17, 2010
11:26 am

Jure and list,   ...   May I propose to carefully check all image sets for a possible faint second object moving at the same rate and close to the biggie? ...
rstoss@...
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Apr 16, 2010
1:31 pm

I forgot...   ...   And good luck that there ain't some old identifiable ONS. The dark force is strong... ;-)   Anyone tried this one visually? Could be a...
rstoss@...
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Apr 16, 2010
1:37 pm

Hello Reiner and all. ... If it's indeed an outburst (as I suspect, too) it might have an internal (to the comet) origin, like what happens to other...
giovannisostero Offline Send Email Apr 16, 2010
2:06 pm

Dear Jure ... Here you can see our follow-up image of this object (more details are on the image): http://bit.ly/aNRhZJ Ciao, Ernesto Guido & Giovanni Sostero ...
walcom77 Offline Send Email Apr 16, 2010
3:20 pm

I see on the NEOCP observations tally for this object that some stations have added a "K" flag to their observations. Are you guys sure about that? :-)   ...
rstoss@...
rms1kpde Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2010
9:35 pm

In our initial MPC subissions for 04F0011 from H01, I reported this object as cometary. Although I read Jure's initial MPML message before going to sleep, I...
whrevr Offline Send Email Apr 17, 2010
3:01 am

. . . ... . . . Sorry Reiner - I was reading your message out of the corner of my eye while typing mine and a different 'Ross' came to mind! - bill...
whrevr Offline Send Email Apr 17, 2010
3:06 am

Many thanks to everybody who promptly jumped in and helped to characterise early stages of the outburst of this object. I hope you had a lot of fun and...
Jure Skvarc
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Apr 17, 2010
8:33 pm

Jure,   ...   There are never any discovery asterisks included with comet discoveries! The discovery is still yours. See CBET 2249: ...
rstoss@...
rms1kpde Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2010
8:39 pm

...   Also notice that in the MPEC it says "Observations:". If the object would be identified to a known and already somewhere published one it would say...
rstoss@...
rms1kpde Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2010
8:44 pm

Although the astrometric details are on the MPEC, the discovery "story" is on CBET 2249, presumably soon to get issued on an IAU Circular. \Brian...
Brian Skiff
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Apr 17, 2010
8:49 pm

Sure did, Jure - thanks to the Črni Vrh team for finding it. No doubt we shall have more fun with it in the future as it may prove to be a challenging and...
RICHARD MILES
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Apr 17, 2010
9:16 pm

... Standard procedure for comets. Look at, for example, comet Garradd announced on MPEC 2010-G10. No discovery asterisk. And it wouldn't be the first time...
Dave Tholen
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Apr 17, 2010
8:43 pm

Hi Reiner, Dave Thank you for your reassuring explanations. Yes, the other reason I was in doubt is that there was no name. So we'll see how this ends. ...
Jure Skvarc
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Apr 17, 2010
8:49 pm

...   ... when there is some question regarding the name. Recent example: The first J75 comet discovery. 1-2 month(s) discussion in CSBN about such...
rstoss@...
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Apr 17, 2010
9:03 pm

Dear Jure, indipendently from the discovery credits (the MPC will tell us whole the story, I think) congratulations for having picked-up this interesting...
giovannisostero Offline Send Email Apr 17, 2010
8:47 pm

Thanks Giovanni, I think your early images were the first with the hint of the cometary nature. cheers, Jure On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:47 PM, giovannisostero ...
Jure Skvarc
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Apr 17, 2010
8:51 pm
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