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Re: [mt-dev] MT 3.1


On 1 Sep 2004, at 15:45, app@... wrote:

> MT 3.1 is out. What do we think? Discuss. ;) <tim/>
> ---

I'm deeply puzzled about the Dynamic Publishing. When I heard about it
I thought "Great! A way to prototype page templates with enormous
amounts of plugins and PerlScripting and stuff, without having to
rebuild 4000++ pages. Ace!"

Note this is not the look and feel - CSS takes care of that - but the
cool plugin features that I've been wanting to try out. That would be
great. But now it's apparent (though little realised, I fear) that you
can't use ANY of the existing plugins. This is just weird: for an
application that sells itself on having a huge development community,
and the hundreds of plugins available for it, having the key feature of
a point release basically throw that development away is just bizarre.

Given that disk space is very cheap indeed, the only other reasoning
behind the Dynamic Publishing is that it speeds up rebuilds. Surely it
would have been time better spent, erm, speeding up the rebuild and so
allowing the DT system to then use the Perl plugins, than rewriting the
whole layer and wiping the slate clean with respect to third-party
support.

I mean, now MT users have been sold on Dynamic Publishing, there's even
more reason for them to move to WordPress - because they will have both
DP *and* a whole load of plugins.

I just don't see the strategic sense of it. Anyone?




Wed Sep 1, 2004 6:31 pm

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+1. I used to use the URL all the time for similar reasons. Since some users are chosing not to upgrade with every version, I would go so far as to suggest...
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... I'm deeply puzzled about the Dynamic Publishing. When I heard about it I thought "Great! A way to prototype page templates with enormous amounts of plugins...
Ben Hammersley
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Sep 1, 2004
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I was just typing a message to ask if anyone else was bothered by the fact we'll need to recreate our plugins in PHP in order to support those using dynamic...
app@...
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Sep 1, 2004
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... What's worse, though it is planned for a future revision (at least that's what Brad told me when we spoke last night), data stuffed in PluginData is ...
David Raynes
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Sep 1, 2004
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... gads! my entire mt-feeds system is based on mt::plugindata and storable straight to the filesystem. being mostly a PHP novice, is Storable even supported...
app@...
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Sep 1, 2004
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... As far as I know, it's not. But I don't claim any significany expertise in PHP either. :) But that's why I'm looking into YAML and the like. It'd solve...
David Raynes
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... I believe I saw Data::Dumperused to serialize/unserialize data structures in a text format though I could be mistaken. If that were true it would be ideal...
app@...
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... What it all boils down to is that we need a serializer to do the following: - Use a format that both Perl and PHP can read easily - Preferably a...
David Raynes
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Checking Google, there is a Storable implementation for PHP at http://freshmeat.net/projects/storable/. But who knows if it is any good. Scott...
Scott Hanson
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On Sep 1, 2004, at 12:28 PM, app@... wrote: How many people are running MT under mod_perl? I always wanted to make MT do the dynamic pages, but with...
Ask Bjørn Hansen
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Sep 1, 2004
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... I'm not running mod_perl, but at least one person is finding it 3.1 breaks under it: http://www.movabletype.org/support/index.php?act=ST&f=26&t=44581 But,...
Ben Hammersley
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... One of my thoughts were similar though I hadn't considered using PHP at all. Most ISPs don't support mod_perl, but they do support PHP. I suppose it would...
app@...
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... Erm. You know how on a slow and resource-limited machine, a full rebuild will time out, or get clobbered by a process reaper, when it's doing it in one...
Phil Ringnalda
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Sep 1, 2004
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Fresh off a plane to the Six Apart offices here and I'm trying to catch up on mt-dev today. Lots of questions/concerns about the dynamic publishing stuff. ...
Brad Choate
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I don't think anyone doubts the benefit of having options or why a user may want to render their content dynamically. I guess what I, and I take others, are...
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Sep 2, 2004
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Yes - what Tim said. It's an awesome bit of work, and Brad deserves a great deal of credit for it. Lovely lovely code too, from what I've seen. It's a hugely...
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I dunno how bothered I am. I'm not especially impressed with the dynamic function at this point. A lot of that has to do with the fact that I use some PHP in...
Chad Everett
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... Plain and simple, what will the users have available to them in the context of page generation? Just getting perl for CGI is a big hurdle. Getting...
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... I was hoping for some insight from a Six Apart employee. You don't need to lecture me on the topic. Besides, I am not advocating mod_perl. In fact I never...
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... With MT now becoming PHP enabled it allows for a whole new set of developers to start making plugins and yet because it still remains perl it doesn't...
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... Hash: SHA1 Hi Tim, ... Yes... but you've got one already, of course: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt-dev/message/574>. Anyway, yes, we absolutely realize...
Benjamin Trott
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... Thank you Ben. It does help. I think a lot and will try and be as concise as possible. (This message will be long anyway, but it could have been much much...
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... as ... ones ... potentially ... have ... Ben ... their ... manual -- ... This ... my ... One of the main things that I feel needs to be worked on is the...
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... UGH! Text formatting plugins! I completely forgot they won't work either. My head hurts. <tim/>...
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Actually, Markdown works already, since there is a php version that works with Smarty. Just copy it into the php/plugins directory as modifier.markdown.php ...
Scott Hanson
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Sep 2, 2004
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http://www.michelf.com/projects/php-markdown/ Scroll down to the "With Smarty" heading. Another MT plugin developer and he didn't even *know* it! ... -- ...
Brad Choate
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Sep 2, 2004
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... I've complied a page containing tinkered versions of Textile, Markdown and Smartypants so that they will work with the new dynamic templating engine. See...
Arvind Satyanarayan
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Sep 4, 2004
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... impossible I meant "isn't impossible". Barring that it would likely require compiling into php of course. This might be a stretch but still less than...
Bill Kearney
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Sep 2, 2004
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... Right. I have no desire to port (P)lucene to PHP. The PHP Storable library is only 0.03 and hasn't been updated in over a year. Storable is a compiled...
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... It looked to me like that "PHP Storable" was just something with the same name as Storable that happens to do something fairly similar, anyway. All it's...
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