Hi Jeff,

Welcome to the fold. I can speak to what I have... a Yamaha MD8. Eight
tracks, nice EQ, a ton of editing options and relatively portable if care is
used. I've had mine for three years and it has served me well. Here is a
review link:

http://www.whiskey-creek.net/MD8.html

Good luck,
Jim

From: "alanparsons70" <jeffhart5150@...>
Reply-To: mtmd@yahoogroups.com
To: mtmd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mtmd] newbie
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:55:03 -0000

Howdy! I did a home project several years ago with an analog Tascam
and used my trusty MD for dumping tracks, sending them back through,
and for back-up. I also used my MD player as a poor-man's sampler
and looper and it worked amazingly well. I like the sound of the MD,
as well its wicked easy editing functions - so I fell in love with
the thing. I'm jonesing for another creative outlet again and
learned about multitrack MD recording, which I can't help but relish
in the thought of! I believe in doing research on one's own, but any
suggestions/warnings on any of the more entry-level gear - I'm
thinking 8-tracks would be wonderful to work with. Thanks, Jeff.

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Hello group,

            I have a sony MDkII 4 trk and I'm having a problem getting
my line levels to work.  After I'm done recording and listing to play
back I can't control the level in the line.  I push up and down and
NOTHING.  Can anyone please HELP!!

Thanks,  L.B.

Sorry, but im also jumping ship.

My Tascam 564 works great. If you are interested please email me at
arthursilguero@...

thanks--MD user
arthur

Lyricallefty...

Hey buddy. I don't know how helpful this idea is, but what you could do is
BUY MY SONY MDM-X4 MkII, and between the two of them, you will surely be
able to come up with enough parts to make one good one! And I'm only half
kidding. There are weird bugs in these machines. I'm going to take mine
apart, and find the answer to my problem before selling mine, but believe
me - it's "Already Gone," as the Eagles say...

I've decided on the BOSS BR1600CD (www.rolandus.com) which I can get at my
local music shop for $1,150. This thing has about everything! And no weird
format that you have to use, or fancy discs that cost an arm and a leg and
can't do a thing with them...

Yep, "Already Gone!"

STEPHENjohnson

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>      1. Line Levels
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>      2. Tascam 564 4 sale
>           From: "arthursilguero" <arthursilguero@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
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> Subject: Line Levels
>
>
> Hello group,
>
>           I have a sony MDkII 4 trk and I'm having a problem getting
> my line levels to work.  After I'm done recording and listing to play
> back I can't control the level in the line.  I push up and down and
> NOTHING.  Can anyone please HELP!!
>
> Thanks,  L.B.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>   From: "arthursilguero" <arthursilguero@...>
> Subject: Tascam 564 4 sale
>
>
> Sorry, but im also jumping ship.
>
> My Tascam 564 works great. If you are interested please email me at
> arthursilguero@...
>
> thanks--MD user
> arthur
>
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Hello:

I would very much appreciate any advice you might have regarding the
following:

I would like to create cds from multitracked recordings I've
previously made on my Sony MDM X4.

Previously, I bought a used stand-alone cd recorder and tried to use
it to burn cds from my recordings. The result was odd: the cd
recording had a lot of static/clicking noise. It was very bad. I was
unable to determine whether the cd-recorder was faulty or whether
what I was trying to accomplish simply cannot be accomplished.

So, I'm wondering:

1. Can one record cds from a 4-tracked minidisc recording?
2. What methods are recommended? PC/software/burner? Stereo-component
cd recorder? Others?

THANKS!

gabe

Hey All!

I wanted to get a quick sampling of what you guys consider to be the
best recorded albums/disks that you would use as a reference when
buying new speakers or setting up a new studio/control room.  Thanks,
Jeff.

I have the inputs circuit board in my hand and can't see a
problem,but I'm a lawnmower mechanic..any advise? I must plug in the
channel 4 input to get a signal and then assign to other tracs to
utilze all recording tracs. Is there one thing that mite not be
linking the working track #4 to the other three.
                                help would be appriciated

                                                thanks,mark

On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 03:52:48PM -0000, alanparsons70 wrote:
>
> I wanted to get a quick sampling of what you guys consider to be the
> best recorded albums/disks that you would use as a reference when
> buying new speakers or setting up a new studio/control room.  Thanks,

(1)
http://www.interstudio.co.uk/sndchk.htm

(2)
Something you're very familiar with i.e. your favourite recordings

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On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 06:33:42PM +0000, anahata wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 03:52:48PM -0000, alanparsons70 wrote:
> [...snippety...]
> http://www.interstudio.co.uk/sndchk.htm

You're not *that* Alan Parsons, are you?
I've been hoodwinked!!!
Well, if it's true, maybe you've got the answer you wanted!
(I have a copy of sound check 1)

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I've been getting the best results mixing to hard drive directly. Am
using a Griffin PowerWave to get audio into my G3, mixing direct to
AIFF files.

You may have to experiment with levels a bit, but it's worth it.

Neil

--- In mtmd@yahoogroups.com, "gabe4104" <gaberosenberg@h...> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> I would very much appreciate any advice you might have regarding
the
> following:
>
> I would like to create cds from multitracked recordings I've
> previously made on my Sony MDM X4.
>
> Previously, I bought a used stand-alone cd recorder and tried to
use
> it to burn cds from my recordings. The result was odd: the cd
> recording had a lot of static/clicking noise. It was very bad. I
was
> unable to determine whether the cd-recorder was faulty or whether
> what I was trying to accomplish simply cannot be accomplished.
>
> So, I'm wondering:
>
> 1. Can one record cds from a 4-tracked minidisc recording?
> 2. What methods are recommended? PC/software/burner? Stereo-
component
> cd recorder? Others?
>
> THANKS!
>
> gabe

Does anyonehere have experience with compressors/limiters? I just
picked up a stereo model (Samson something or other), and I'm racking
my brain trying to figure out how to hook it up to the MD8. I have a
few options:

o   Using it on the front end, say, with vocals or bass. The
     problem here is that the compressor doesn't have phantom
     power, and I'm not sure if it's designed to do that anyway.

o   Or as an effect, in one of the effects loops. But I give up
     a loop that way.

o   On mixdown, mixing through the compressor, maybe with a
     touch of limiting to keep those nasty brickwall blues away.

The biggest problem I have here is that a compressor's effect should
be transparent, and I don't really understand it all yet, not to
mention not having trained my ears, yet.

Thanks!

Neil Fein
<neilfein AT mindspring DOT com>
Edison, NJ

Try Burlington A/V. I just picked up 10 MD Data discs from them for
$106. 800-331-3191.

Neil Fein
Edison, NJ

--- In mtmd@yahoogroups.com, "klevin_welzerd" <uberelite@a...> wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm Kevin.  I'm going to be recording acoustic and electric
> guitar (and vocals) and I've started to record a bunch of weird
> outdoor sounds that I'm going to throw together.  Just won a 564 on
> ebay.  Should be getting it sometime soon.  Anyone know a good place
> to get MD-Data discs for relatively cheap?  The unit comes with two
so
> I should be fine for a while.
> Thanks!
> -Kevin

On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 07:41:12PM -0000, Neil Fein wrote:
>
> Does anyonehere have experience with compressors/limiters? I just
> picked up a stereo model (Samson something or other), and I'm racking
> my brain trying to figure out how to hook it up to the MD8. I have a
> few options:
>
> o   Using it on the front end, say, with vocals or bass. The
>     problem here is that the compressor doesn't have phantom
>     power, and I'm not sure if it's designed to do that anyway.

It won't do much if you feed mic level through it, unless it's got a
built in preamp (if it's designed to be used with an electric guitar it
might be OK)

> o   Or as an effect, in one of the effects loops. But I give up
>     a loop that way.

That's how you're expected to use it if you need compression on one
channel. If you mean an insert point that diverts the channel through
the compressor.

> o   On mixdown, mixing through the compressor, maybe with a
>     touch of limiting to keep those nasty brickwall blues away.

That's the other way you're expected to use it...

> The biggest problem I have here is that a compressor's effect should
> be transparent, and I don't really understand it all yet, not to
> mention not having trained my ears, yet.

If you are expecting to have to train your ears, you are definitely
on the right track! Using a compressor is a black art that requires
experience and careful listening and part of the answer is what
works with your compressor (whatever make and model) and your music.
Experiment with it on lots of different types of sound, don't set the
attack and release times too short and you should have no trouble
knocking 3-4dB off the peaks of your music (thus enabling the rest of it
to be that much higher in level on your final product) without
impairing the sound noticeably.

Using it on a single channel is for when you've got wayward vocals that
won't balance, or maybe drums that occasionally peak way over eveything
else. In other words, a problem solver, with the corollary that if you
don't have a problem you don't need to solve it :-)

Disclaimer: advice worth what you paid for it.
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A compressor is a device for fostering confusion. Hmmph.

Thanks for the info; I'll pull out some older recordings and see if I
can get the compressor to help tame them.

But... if I do use it on mixdown, after the MD8 in the signal chain,
how do I hook it up? Keeping in mind that I'll be outing from
the "stereo out" line level RCA jacks on the back of the MD8, should
I use the compressor's "balanced input" or "key input"?

According to the compressor manual, the Key Input is an "...input
connection allowing external control of the S-Com's Compressor
detection circuit." There's a "key switch" on the front that triggers
this. Does that mean anything to you? At a guess, this could have
something to do with maybe the De-Essing threshold or the automatic
hard/soft detection circuit.

Neil

--- In mtmd@yahoogroups.com, anahata <anahata@t...> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 07:41:12PM -0000, Neil Fein wrote:
> >
> > Does anyonehere have experience with compressors/limiters? I just
> > picked up a stereo model (Samson something or other), and I'm
racking
> > my brain trying to figure out how to hook it up to the MD8. I
have a
> > few options:
> >
> > o   Using it on the front end, say, with vocals or bass. The
> >     problem here is that the compressor doesn't have phantom
> >     power, and I'm not sure if it's designed to do that anyway.
>
> It won't do much if you feed mic level through it, unless it's got a
> built in preamp (if it's designed to be used with an electric
guitar it
> might be OK)
>
> > o   Or as an effect, in one of the effects loops. But I give up
> >     a loop that way.
>
> That's how you're expected to use it if you need compression on one
> channel. If you mean an insert point that diverts the channel
through
> the compressor.
>
> > o   On mixdown, mixing through the compressor, maybe with a
> >     touch of limiting to keep those nasty brickwall blues away.
>
> That's the other way you're expected to use it...
>
> > The biggest problem I have here is that a compressor's effect
should
> > be transparent, and I don't really understand it all yet, not to
> > mention not having trained my ears, yet.
>
> If you are expecting to have to train your ears, you are definitely
> on the right track! Using a compressor is a black art that requires
> experience and careful listening and part of the answer is what
> works with your compressor (whatever make and model) and your music.
> Experiment with it on lots of different types of sound, don't set
the
> attack and release times too short and you should have no trouble
> knocking 3-4dB off the peaks of your music (thus enabling the rest
of it
> to be that much higher in level on your final product) without
> impairing the sound noticeably.
>
> Using it on a single channel is for when you've got wayward vocals
that
> won't balance, or maybe drums that occasionally peak way over
eveything
> else. In other words, a problem solver, with the corollary that if
you
> don't have a problem you don't need to solve it :-)
>
> Disclaimer: advice worth what you paid for it.
> --
> Anahata
> anahata@t... -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk
> Home: 01638 720444         Mob: 07976 263827

Search back in the archives of this group and you'll find a fair bit of
discussion of this and related topics.

  - Roger


-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Fein [mailto:neilfein@...]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:41 PM
To: mtmd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mtmd] Compressor/Limiter with MD8



Does anyonehere have experience with compressors/limiters? I just
picked up a stereo model (Samson something or other), and I'm racking
my brain trying to figure out how to hook it up to the MD8. I have a
few options:

o   Using it on the front end, say, with vocals or bass. The
     problem here is that the compressor doesn't have phantom
     power, and I'm not sure if it's designed to do that anyway.

o   Or as an effect, in one of the effects loops. But I give up
     a loop that way.

o   On mixdown, mixing through the compressor, maybe with a
     touch of limiting to keep those nasty brickwall blues away.

The biggest problem I have here is that a compressor's effect should
be transparent, and I don't really understand it all yet, not to
mention not having trained my ears, yet.

Thanks!

Neil Fein
<neilfein AT mindspring DOT com>
Edison, NJ







Yahoo! Groups Links

Thanks.

--- In mtmd@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Scott" <rogers@c...> wrote:
> Search back in the archives of this group and you'll find a fair
bit of
> discussion of this and related topics.
>
>  - Roger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Fein [mailto:neilfein@m...]
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 2:41 PM
> To: mtmd@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [mtmd] Compressor/Limiter with MD8
>
>
>
> Does anyonehere have experience with compressors/limiters? I just
> picked up a stereo model (Samson something or other), and I'm
racking
> my brain trying to figure out how to hook it up to the MD8. I have
a
> few options:
>
> o   Using it on the front end, say, with vocals or bass. The
>     problem here is that the compressor doesn't have phantom
>     power, and I'm not sure if it's designed to do that anyway.
>
> o   Or as an effect, in one of the effects loops. But I give up
>     a loop that way.
>
> o   On mixdown, mixing through the compressor, maybe with a
>     touch of limiting to keep those nasty brickwall blues away.
>
> The biggest problem I have here is that a compressor's effect
should
> be transparent, and I don't really understand it all yet, not to
> mention not having trained my ears, yet.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Neil Fein
> <neilfein AT mindspring DOT com>
> Edison, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links

On 22/11/04 8:34 pm, "Neil Fein" <neilfein@...> wrote:

>
>
> A compressor is a device for fostering confusion. Hmmph.
>
> Thanks for the info; I'll pull out some older recordings and see if I
> can get the compressor to help tame them.
>
> But... if I do use it on mixdown, after the MD8 in the signal chain,
> how do I hook it up? Keeping in mind that I'll be outing from
> the "stereo out" line level RCA jacks on the back of the MD8, should
> I use the compressor's "balanced input" or "key input"?
>
> According to the compressor manual, the Key Input is an "...input
> connection allowing external control of the S-Com's Compressor
> detection circuit." There's a "key switch" on the front that triggers
> this. Does that mean anything to you? At a guess, this could have
> something to do with maybe the De-Essing threshold or the automatic
> hard/soft detection circuit.
>
> Neil
>
Hi Neil,
The key input is usually used when you wish to influence the dynamics of the
signal with something other than it's natural envelope, and as you say using
a filtered side chain to de-ess is an example of this.
As ever Paul White has a good intro to the basic principles,
Try here;

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_articles/apr97/compressors.html?session
=11ad50fc9eedee1ea3a8c4417ca3d9f6

Happy squashing!
--
Best Wishes
Steve Coates

Listen to One Drop at;
http://www.onedrop.net

On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 08:34:44PM -0000, Neil Fein wrote:

> But... if I do use it on mixdown, after the MD8 in the signal chain,
> how do I hook it up? Keeping in mind that I'll be outing from
> the "stereo out" line level RCA jacks on the back of the MD8, should
> I use the compressor's "balanced input" or "key input"?

No no, not the key input. Balanced input will do. If it's an XLR,
pin 2 = signal (RCA pin) and pins 1 and 3 = RCA ground.

> There's a "key switch" on the front that triggers
> this. Does that mean anything to you?

The switch will be to select the key input instead of the signal itself.
You can use it in conjuction with EQ for de-essing, and you can also use
it for "ducking" which is where a DJ's voice makes the music fade
instantly when he speaks and jump back when he stops. (music -> input,
vox -> key). Unless you plan to do that, you don't need to know.

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Hey folks,

I told you I would be selling my SONY MDM-X4 MkII minidisc multitrack
recorder. I recently bought the BOSS BR1600CD, and this town ain't big
enough for the both of 'em...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15199&item=3766146735&rd=\
1&ssPageName=WDVW

Thanks for your interest!

Steve Johnson (eBay seller ID: informedfaith)

Well guys, it sold already! I put a "Buy It Now" price of $80 on it, and
its, as the Eagles say, "Already Gone!" eBay is good stuff...

Steve J.

And now, I suppose I can get off this group for good since we now have less
in common. (I'm liking my BOSS BR1600CD a lot...)

> Message: 1
>   Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:08:12 -0600
>   From: "Steve Johnson" <sjsongs@...>
> Subject: Selling MDM-X4 MkII on eBay
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I told you I would be selling my SONY MDM-X4 MkII minidisc multitrack
> recorder. I recently bought the BOSS BR1600CD, and this town ain't big
> enough for the both of 'em...

Well guys, it sold already! I put a "Buy It Now" price of $80 on it, and its, as the Eagles say, "Already Gone!" eBay is good stuff...
Steve J.
And now, I suppose I can get off this group for good since we now have less in common. (I'm liking my BOSS BR1600CD a lot...)

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:08:12 -0600
From: "Steve Johnson" <sjsongs@...>
Subject: Selling MDM-X4 MkII on eBay
Hey folks,
I told you I would be selling my SONY MDM-X4 MkII minidisc multitrack
recorder. I recently bought the BOSS BR1600CD, and this town ain't big
enough for the both of 'em... 

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Hi there.

I've been a follower of the MDM-X4 ever since it came out in the
late 90's, but I've only now acquired one off of eBay.

I had intended on using it for location recordings, with condenser
mics. Having looked over the unit, I see that there is NO PHANTOM
POWER!!!

Have any of you come up with any affordable solutions to send 48
volts to your condenser mics? Affordable, and yet transparent? Am
I asking too much? :P Please let me know.

Did you get yours for $80?  I think I paid about $700 for mine, new,
"back in the day"...

  - Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: c_studios2004 [mailto:c_studios2004@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:19 AM
To: mtmd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mtmd] Power of the Phantom, anyone?



Hi there.

I've been a follower of the MDM-X4 ever since it came out in the
late 90's, but I've only now acquired one off of eBay.

I had intended on using it for location recordings, with condenser
mics. Having looked over the unit, I see that there is NO PHANTOM
POWER!!!

Have any of you come up with any affordable solutions to send 48
volts to your condenser mics? Affordable, and yet transparent? Am
I asking too much? :P Please let me know.







Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi there.
I've been a follower of the MDM-X4 ever since it came out in the
late 90's, but I've only now acquired one off of eBay.
I had intended on using it for location recordings, with condenser
mics. Having looked over the unit, I see that there is NO PHANTOM
POWER!!!
Have any of you come up with any affordable solutions to send 48
volts to your condenser mics? Affordable, and yet transparent? Am
I asking too much? :P Please let me know.
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