I notice that when I try and bounce several tracks onto one, that the
level is usually higher on the receiving track. Usually the level is
into the red. I have to pull the fader back on the receiving track to
keep it just under the red. Keep in mind that the faders of the
contributing tracks are set normally and there is minimal redlining on
the contributing tracks. Shouldn't there be a 1:1 ratio there???
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
> I notice that when I try and bounce several tracks onto one, that the
> level is usually higher on the receiving track.
^^^^^^
Higher than what? If you are mixing two or more tracks together than of
course the combined level is higher than any one individual track's level.
> Keep in mind that the faders of the contributing tracks are set normally
^^^^^^^^
What does "normally" mean in this context? Do you mean "nominally", as in
"at approx. 7 or 7.2, so as to get the same dB level off as you put on"?
In general, if you are mixing two or more fairly hot tracks you should probably
keep the faders for each of those tracks a little *below* nominal so as not
to risk overdriving the mixer itself. I think this is better than using the
receiving track's fader. You must not be using an MDM-X4, since the control
you describe is not possible on that unit. It must be nice to even *have* a
fader on the receiving track...
- Roger
> I notice that when I try and bounce several tracks onto one, that
> the level is usually higher on the receiving track. Usually the
> level is into the red. I have to pull the fader back on the
> receiving track to keep it just under the red. Keep in mind that
> the faders of the contributing tracks are set normally and there
> is minimal redlining on the contributing tracks. Shouldn't there
> be a 1:1 ratio there???
> What am I doing wrong?
As far as I can tell the level meter on the receiveing track is
the sum of the level meters on the contributing tracks (well usually
just over/under depending upon characteristics of the original source)
If you bounce from one track straight onto another you'll get 1:1 but if you
bounce two
copies of the original track onto a third track you don't.
Rod
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bharbour@... wrote:
>
> I notice that when I try and bounce several tracks onto one, that the
> level is usually higher on the receiving track. Usually the level is
> into the red. I have to pull the fader back on the receiving track to
> keep it just under the red. Keep in mind that the faders of the
> contributing tracks are set normally and there is minimal redlining on
> the contributing tracks. Shouldn't there be a 1:1 ratio there???
> What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks!
>
Record a 1KHz test tone on tracks 1 and 2 at -12dB each. Now sum tracks
1 and 2 and bounce to track 3 with no gain changes in tracks 1 and 2.
What happens? You should see that track 3 now contains a 1KHz test tone
at -6dB.
bobs
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I have a Yamaha MD4 4-Track for sale. It is in very good condition and
I have the manual for it. I will even throw in two Mini Data discs. I
am asking $500(USD) obo. E-mail me at djoski@... or
call (336)379-0150.
MD8 users!
Does anybody get a quiet but annoying whistling - whining sound when the
machine is in pause mode... and maybe also in play/record mode too,
sometimes?
Adrian
At 10:45 PM 11/20/99 +1000, you wrote:
>MD8 users!
>
>Does anybody get a quiet but annoying whistling - whining sound when the
>machine is in pause mode... and maybe also in play/record mode too,
>sometimes?
>
There's something that sounds to me like quiet chirping. It seems to
happen when recording over material, e.g. doing a punch in. It's a
mechanical sound, I think from the optical lens assembly moving.
Blessings,
Tim Helmen
thissong@...
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 4:45 AM
Subject: [mtmd] Whistling MD8?
> MD8 users!
>
> Does anybody get a quiet but annoying whistling - whining sound when the
> machine is in pause mode... and maybe also in play/record mode too,
> sometimes?
>
> Adrian
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> just press "stop" and it will go away
I think yamaha will be making a new version of the md8 because of the recent
improvements to the md4. "S" Does anybody have any clues? Remove the
door,add digital out, atrac 4.5, and be able to sync to another md8 for 16
tracks, that's all I need.
Stan Williams
Just seen the new Yamaha 8 track launched in a UK music mag, the MD8S. Look
like an upgrade along the same lines of the MD4S though details scarce. Turnkey
UK have it at £799, not a bad price as the older machines were rarely offered at
this.
David Groves
I recently purchased the Sony MDMX-4 and ran into a serious glitch in
my first week of recording. I seem to periodically lose sections of
the song that I record. It just becomes a blank spot in the disk. I
am wondering whether it is a disk problem or a hardware problem. As
you can imagine, it has been extremely frustrating. Hours of work are
down the drain and I am afraid to start recording another one until I
get to the bottom of what is causing this.
> I seem to periodically lose sections of the song that I record.
How 'bout some more info? Does this happen on one track or all tracks?
Are you in two-track or four-track mode? What was the last thing you did
before you lost the stuff? How long is the "hole"?
- Roger
Thank you for responding to my post Roger. The hole is usually around
four or five seconds long. We have lost two masterpieces already
"Volcanos on Jupiter's Moon" and "Cold Little Woman." I believe I am
in four track mode although I am not really sure what you mean by this.
We always record in four tracks (One at a time of course.) The data
is unretrievable, it just seems to dissapear. Have you heard of anyone
else having this problem? Could it be that we are dumbasses? Are we
impatient with the TOC mode and hitting the button to fast perhaps. I
wish I had the answer. Any help is greatly appreciated. By the way,
thanks for letting me join your club.
At 01:12 PM 11/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> I seem to periodically lose sections of the song that I record.
This just happened to me on my Sony 4-track. I recorded a two-track
song on my Sharp portable, and it plays fine, but if i play it back on the
4-track there's a five second spot that doesn't play. I can't think of an
explanation for this.
Steve
>How 'bout some more info? Does this happen on one track or all tracks?
>Are you in two-track or four-track mode? What was the last thing you did
>before you lost the stuff? How long is the "hole"?
>
> - Roger
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I've been running my MDMX4 MKII for over a year now and not had this problem the
way you describe it, but:
Possible ideas:
Faulty disk. Mini disks have been reported as occasionally being dodgy though
I've not come across this. A previous member of this group reported such
instances. The data disks are built to greater tolerances than the standard
disks (allegedly) hence
their cost.
Not letting the TOC write. A previous debate about the acceptability of this
took place in the group but it seems you can "beat the machine" so allow it to
do everything in its own time and don't play the buttons like a piano !
I suffered from this problem alot in the early days but not recently.
Machine problem. If it happens regularly get the machine changed. There could
(and I am guessing) be something up with the write process. This is a very
precise bit of engineering, that allows the magnetically written information be
frozen by the
laser and may be not perfect on your machine.
Recommendation:
When you've filled 4 tracks and before overdubbing or bouncing, make a back up
(Song copy) of the original tracks and then work on the copy. Time consuming
and disk filling but saves a lot of frustration (I know, I've been there !)
This is one of the
advantages of this format over the original cassette multitrackers.
Best regards
David Groves
> This just happened to me on my Sony 4-track. I recorded a two-track
> song on my Sharp portable, and it plays fine, but if i play it back on the
> 4-track there's a five second spot that doesn't play. I can't think of an
> explanation for this.
Had you used the actual disc a large number of times? Was it an 80 minute
minidisc? Either of these things could have caused an error in the TOC, but
really it can be difficult to work out what the problem is unless you can
recreate it and know which situations to avoid.
Rod
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Rod wrote:
>Had you used the actual disc a large number of times? Was it an 80 minute
>minidisc? Either of these things could have caused an error in the TOC, but
>really it can be difficult to work out what the problem is unless you can
>recreate it and know which situations to avoid.
The disc had material previously recorded once and listened to several times,
but the area on the disc where the song was recorded was empty.
Are the 80-minute discs to be avoided?
steve
Rod wrote:
>Had you used the actual disc a large number of times? Was it an 80 minute
>minidisc? Either of these things could have caused an error in the TOC, but
>really it can be difficult to work out what the problem is unless you can
>recreate it and know which situations to avoid.
Oh yeah, i am able to recreate this again and again.... my four track
won't play those five seconds for some reason, but it plays fine on the machine
it was recorded on .... is there a possibility
of incompatibility/significant differences in the way Sharp and Sony
have the TOC configured?
steve
>> Had you used the actual disc a large number of times? Was it an 80 minute
>> minidisc? Either of these things could have caused an error in the TOC, but
>> really it can be difficult to work out what the problem is unless you can
>> recreate it and know which situations to avoid.
> Oh yeah, i am able to recreate this again and again.... my four track
> won't play those five seconds for some reason, but it plays fine on the
machine
> it was recorded on .... is there a possibility
> of incompatibility/significant differences in the way Sharp and Sony
> have the TOC configured?
Are the 5 seconds just completely blank (silence)?
Or are they just 'missing' (song skips like a CD player)?
Try playing the disk on another persons MD player.
That will tell you if it is the recording process (on the Sharp) that had
errors or just the payback on the Sony.
You also might like to do the opposite test. Get someone elses player to
make a recording and then play it back on your Sony. See if that gives
any problems.
You might also want to try deliberately creating recordings with the
missing seconds. That way if you are successful then you know what
*not* to do in future.
[The 80 minute minidiscs do seem to work fine on newer machines.
I haven't been able to get any myself but I have head a horror
story or two about loss of data on older machines (errors writing
the TOC) which is why I asked :) ]
Rod
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David -
It is interesting you mentioned to copy the song and then to work on
the copy.
This is precisely the idea we came up with at the time to try and
rescue our songs with the missing sections. Our "plan" and I use the
term very loosely,
was to actually delete the missing sections on the copy and try to get
something at least listenable to out of our hours of work. However,
when we went to copy it, the machine went through the long process and
it appeared to be working, but at the end of song copy it returned an
error message "Invalid."
Very frustrating indeed........
the reason im looking into the md8 is because of 8 track simultaneous
recording. i was just wondering why cassette 8tracks are limited 4
track recording simultaneously. Ill miss being able to push my yamaha
MT50 over the red line for the nice natural analogue distortion.
> WHEN USING A SYNTHESIZER TO SYNCH. WITH A MD8. DO YOU LAY DOWN TRACKS
> ON THE SYNTHESIZER FIRST OR ON THE MD8 FIRST. THANKS
FIRST I USUALLY TURN CAPS LOCK OFF ;)
Then I get the tracks on my synth/drum machine. The I use MIDI sync to keep
the guitars/vocals etc in time.
Rod
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Steve,
hope you don't mind me contacting you off-line but you describe what I have
plans to do ....... record on a portable minidisk and then edit on a
4-track.
As an aspiring bass player, I require a lot of practice and the group I play
with, a contemporary church praise and worship group (they'll let anybody
play with them and say nice things about you no mater what), has one
rehearsal about a 2 weeks before we play the songs live. I've been recording
the rehearsal on a portable tape player and then working out my parts with
the tape. Because it is a rehearsal, getting a complete set, of the whole
song, in order, without comments and breaks is impossible. Practicing with
the tape works, but I'm looking to improve the whole set up.
Not that I'm a Sony elitist but I planned on a MZ-R37/R55/R90 (it always
comes down to money) with an ECM-MS907 Microphone and a MDM-X4 MKII. Even
though it sounds like you might be having a little problem (5-sec spot): do
you:
1. do you use a regular (2-track) minidisk on the portable or a 4-track data
minidisk?
2. do you copy from the portable to 2 of the 4-tracks and edit from there or
edit right from the disk recorded on the portable?
3. do you think a good enough portable would allow me all the editing I
need?
Thanks for the time and any advice/comments would be appreciated.
Mike Walsh (mjw@...)
Arrow Distributing Company
http://www.arrdis.com
-----Original Message-----
From: spat@... [mailto:spat@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 6:04 PM
To: mtmd@egroups.com
Subject: [mtmd] Re: Lost sections of recordings
At 01:12 PM 11/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> I seem to periodically lose sections of the song that I record.
This just happened to me on my Sony 4-track. I recorded a two-track
song on my Sharp portable, and it plays fine, but if i play it back on the
4-track there's a five second spot that doesn't play. I can't think of an
explanation for this.
Steve
>How 'bout some more info? Does this happen on one track or all tracks?
>Are you in two-track or four-track mode? What was the last thing you did
>before you lost the stuff? How long is the "hole"?
>
> - Roger
>
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Hey there. I'm wondering how easy it is to go from the RCA outs on my MD8
to the line in Jack on my Soundblaster 16 card so that I can master things
onto CD using my CD burner. Is it as easy as that, or do I have to have some
sort of fancy program or something.
Thanks,
Sam
I've quit my job with IBM so from today onwards I won't get any messages
from you guys and you won't get any from me :|
[I have to give my modem back tonight too]
Never mind - I'm starting a new job in two weeks time and I'll
resubscribe
from there.
Later
Rod
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--- Roger Scott <rogers@...> wrote:
> FYI, ZZounds has the Yamaha MD8 for $949 right now.
> Is that not the best
> price yet?
>
> - Roger
oh yeah; best price I ever heard of was the one I got
from Guitar Center last year: US$961.90. At that time,
they matched an out-the-door offer of $1010 from
www.fullcompass.com.
Sort of makes one wonder what is prompting this price
reduction? Perhaps the coming MD8s is more than just a
change in looks...?
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