I got an email from an address that began success@w... I suspect she may be a lurker on this list. My reply bounced with a permanent fatal error, so I'm...
1960
Chris Phoenix
cphoenix@...
Jul 4, 2001 4:51 pm
... Those are two separate questions. Either or both may be worth considering. Personally I'm not too worried about replacement, though perhaps I should be;...
1961
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 4, 2001 4:51 pm
... Both... dualities are functions of the pendantic brain... wish...
1962
Brian Phillips
deepbluehalo@...
Jul 4, 2001 4:52 pm
Quoeth Grimm ... Interesting. You seem to draw a distinction between technologies of artifact and technologies of method. Consider... I constantly...
1963
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 4, 2001 6:04 pm
... Being worried about anything is optional. Being enthusiastic about the replacement of homo sapiens by homo simulations is mad science. ... At the risk of...
1964
Ooo0001@...
Jul 4, 2001 6:52 pm
In a message dated 7/3/01 11:03:32 PM, grimm@... writes: << I agree the whole cyborg thing is getting ridiculous. I mean we are throwing around ideas and...
1965
James B. Lewis
nanojbl@...
Jul 4, 2001 7:49 pm
... The extent to which we would want to replace or augment healthy human parts with synthetic, better performing parts seems to me to be more of an emotional...
1966
J. R. Molloy
jr@...
Jul 4, 2001 10:34 pm
From: "Mark Gubrud" <mgubrud@...> ... Being enthusiastic about the replacement of homo sapiens by homo simulations (or any other sci-fi scenario) is...
1967
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 1:34 am
... The idea that something else is better than human is insane, if you are human (which, in point of fact, you are). ... Flippant crap. Sure, we have a lot...
1968
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 1:35 am
... It is a moral issue at the personal level. It relates to whether one accepts and embraces one's identity as a human being. Rejection of oneself is a...
1969
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 1:35 am
... The illogic of this passage is pretty obvious. ... The questions you should ask are: Why does this seem desirable to you? What are your motives? Do they...
1970
James B. Lewis
nanojbl@...
Jul 5, 2001 2:31 am
... I accept your right to define for yourself human identity. And I agree strongly with you that the ruthless economic competition characterizing our current...
1971
Ooo0001@...
Jul 5, 2001 2:54 am
In a message dated 07/04/2001 5:46:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ... Hmmm, so lucky is the man born with withered limbs, blind of sight, and injured in the...
1972
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 5, 2001 3:12 am
... Wait until you are like the man in Kentucky who just got the mechanical heart. Cyborgation is inevitable, and people will do everything to stay alive a...
1973
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 3:30 am
... What is assumed is that this is the hand we have been dealt. I haven't come across anyone arguing that if it were possible to extend youthful health and...
1974
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 3:51 am
... If medicine is what is being practiced, the objective will be to restore what you call "the limited norms." ... That is nonsense. Our prehuman ancestors...
1975
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 3:52 am
... You quote but ignore my distinction. The man in Kentucky is having a medical device implanted to keep him alive. He is not trying to become the bionic...
1976
J. R. Molloy
jr@...
Jul 5, 2001 5:20 am
From: "Mark Gubrud" <mgubrud@...> ... Then it's better to be "insane." ... What are you waiting for. τΏτ ... Well, your opinion seems to be the...
1977
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 7:07 am
... You are just trying to be cute. That's a lot easier than thinking. ... You respond to intelligent arguments with stupid nonsense. ... Competition is not...
1978
James B. Lewis
nanojbl@...
Jul 5, 2001 7:13 am
... We seem to agree that pseudo-immortality and pseudo-eternal youth, maintained by a system of medical nanobots, are not in themselves necessarily a threat...
1979
Steven Guy
smguy@...
Jul 5, 2001 7:33 am
A deep breath before I start! ... The idea of replacing human beings is unrealistic. Humans will continue to evolve. We may make beings which are intelligent...
1980
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 5, 2001 5:46 pm
... There are several hundred people alive now who have the resources to fund human cloning or uploads for themselves. I suppose a billion dollars would be...
1981
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 5, 2001 5:47 pm
... I think that if you would remember back a year ago, you would say that was just the most bigoted statement posted recently... remember the "discussion"...
1982
DonSaxman@...
Jul 5, 2001 5:48 pm
Strictly speaking, the "guy in Kentucky" is supposed to live a maximum of 30 days on the artificial heart, and a lot of medical ethicists say that artificial...
1983
Mark Gubrud
mgubrud@...
Jul 5, 2001 5:55 pm
Jim Lewis poses thoughtful questions and raises some difficult issues. I wish I had more time to write a careful reply. ... Yes, and lots of other...
1984
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 5, 2001 6:38 pm
... everything you say is valid, but what choice did the man have?..I was trying to show that the will to live is the over riding imperitive for most humans......
1985
Ooo0001@...
Jul 5, 2001 8:06 pm
In a message dated Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:58:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Gubrud <mgubrud@...> writes: << The idea that something else is better...
1986
Steve Wish
wishnevs@...
Jul 5, 2001 8:38 pm
... I must agree... Mark must have appointed himself Pope or something... he never quotes any authority greater than himself, he just lets loose these...
1987
Ooo0001@...
Jul 6, 2001 12:43 am
In a message dated 07/04/2001 8:52:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ... Fair enough. But let's give a reasonable extension to this situation: what if the...
1988
Ooo0001@...
Jul 6, 2001 1:51 am
In a message dated 07/04/2001 9:06:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ... Really? I'm afraid the "obvious" escapes me. Care to enlighten me? ... Simple: there are...
