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#30 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 28, 1999 1:44 am
Subject: Congressional testimony
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The US Committee on Commerce, Science, and Trasportation
(Go to: on the page)
  Emerging Technologies in the New Millennium, May 12, 1999.
       Science, Technology and Space Subcommittee hearing to examine
incentives and barriers
       created by the federal government in bringing new technologies to the
marketplace.  The
       hearing , scheduled for Wednesday, May 12, at 2:30 p.m. in room 253 of
the Russell Senate
       Office Building, was chaired by Subcommittee Chairman, Senator Bill
Frist (R-TN).
Featuring: Dr. Richard Smalley, Hackerman Professor of Chemistry, Rice
University, Smalley Research.
http://www.senate.gov/~commerce/hearings/hearings.htm


Nanotechnology: the coming revolution in manufacturing
http://www.merkle.com/nanohearing1999.html


REVIEW OF U.S. GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES AN INTERESTS IN NANOTECHNOLOGY
  SUMMARY OF PARTICIPATING U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES' ACTIVITIES
  M.C. Roco NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION COORDINATOR OF THE INTERAGENCY
NANOTECHNOLOGY GROUP
http://itri.loyola.edu/nano/us_r_n_d/03_01.htm

View the House Science Committee hearings LIVE
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and
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Nanotechnology Webcast
Subcommitte on Basic Research Hearing Index (106th Congress:1999-2000)
http://www.house.gov/science_democrats/hearings/basic106.htm


Joint Hearing; Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics, Committee on Science;
Subcommittee on Military Procurement, Subcommittee on Military Research and
Development, Committee on Armed Services.
http://www.house.gov/science/webcast.htm


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#29 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 1:04 am
Subject: Nanoharp and smallest pen
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Nanoharp
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_309000/309522.stm

World's smallest pen
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_264000/264596.stm

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#28 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Tue Jun 22, 1999 7:21 pm
Subject: New UK links
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These folks asked for a link to my site, in exchange for one on theirs.
(UK based)
http://www.nano.org.uk/


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#27 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Nanotechnology Industries Newsletter
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Correction, those URL's are
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#26 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 21, 1999 12:59 am
Subject: Nanotechnology Industries Newsletter
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Issue one of Nanotechnology Industries Newsletter is now complete. To
recieve your copy,

View the description
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To order
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#25 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Jun 19, 1999 3:38 am
Subject: Nano Chat Room
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There is a nano chat room scheduled for Sunday at 4:00 for the nanotech
email thread subscribers.

The URL is:

http://www.homestead.com/nanochat/room.html

However, this room is always free to use for nanotech subjects at anytime.

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#24 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Fri Jun 18, 1999 1:48 am
Subject: Nano train
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It's the smallest train in the world, but it's no toy. The nano express
could take us close to the dream of incredibly tiny robots that build
themselves. Jonathan Knight leaps aboard.

New Scientist article
"The Engine of Creation"
http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990619/theengineo.html


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#23 From: Ryan Bethencourt <r_immortal@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 4:07 am
Subject: Re: One-Angstrom Micrscope Achieves .89 Angstrom Resolution
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Hi Everyone,

Sorry I'm a little dormant at the moment I've been taking some pretty hard
exams (I've just finished advanced immunology,neurobiology, cell biology and
I've still got more to go). Anyway I found this really interesting article
on the web about a Prof. that has built a model turing machine at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_370000/370035.stm

Enjoy,
       Ryan

#22 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:06 pm
Subject: Nanolinks
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http://www.ornl.gov/divisions/casd/polymer/02_nanotech.html
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computational nanotechnology project has set the stage for future R&D in an
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        This effort has provided computational tools that enable researchers
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Computational nanotechnology will continue to both aid in determining the
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#20 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 7:17 am
Subject: The nanotech email thread chat room
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I think we should schedual a time for once a week to meet in the chat room.
Any suggestions?
The URL for the nanochat room is open at all times to subscribers of this
list, for discussions relating to nanotechnology.
http://www.homestead.com/nanochat/room.html

Gina "Nanogirl" Miller
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#19 From: Jonathan Desp <jonathan_desp@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 5:42 pm
Subject: monday
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for the chat room : while the monday, while the chat of nanocompupter.org..
people will check out in the same of their chat time on nanomcputer.org in
your nanoindustries.com or wait a little bit, foresight.org is going to have
their own chat room..

--jon for gina


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#18 From: "Alan Heaberlin" <amh@...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 5:46 pm
Subject: Equipment list
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Fellow nanotypes,
I am developing a nanotechnology incubator
project. While I am the project coordinator I am
not a scientist per se, as my specialty is in
economic development as a nonprofit professional.
I would like to get some suggestions as to what
kind of equipment I need to acquire to attract
nano-scientists to bring projects to our lab for
development. While I have a team of PhDs --
physicist, chemist and aeronautics types, I have
not yet been able to get these advisors together
for a meeting. Actually, I would like to
anticipate their shopping list.
Does anyone have any suggestions about specific
equipment, availability, cost, loan programs, etc.
to put me ahead of the power curve in the
organizational stages of this project?
My long range goal, if this initial project is
successful in any respect, is to develop a number
of these incubators in economically depressed
areas where there is cheap land and buildings
available, incentive packages from local agencies
and some preferential grant money to acquire.
While welfare to work is a popular notion in most
urban areas these days, I feel that it is a
loftier goal and more productive to find ways to
put underemployed scientists and technical people
to work in high paying jobs doing cutting edge
work in advanced technology.
Any suggestions or discussion invited.
Alan Heaberlin

#17 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 7:17 am
Subject: The nanotech email thread chat room
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I think we should schedual a time for once a week to meet in the chat room.
Any suggestions?
The URL for the nanochat room is open at all times to subscribers of this
list, for discussions relating to nanotechnology.
http://www.homestead.com/nanochat/room.html

Gina "Nanogirl" Miller
Nanotechnology Industries
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#16 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Thu Jun 10, 1999 8:42 pm
Subject: One-Angstrom Micrscope Achieves .89 Angstrom Resolution
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Source:   Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (http://www.lbl.gov)


Date:   Posted 6/10/99

One-Angstrom Micrscope Achieves .89 Angstrom Resolution
BERKELEY, CA — Using the One-Ångstrom Microscope (OÅM) at the National
Center for Electron Microscopy (NCEM), researchers at the Department of
Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory have made unprecedented
images of columns of carbon atoms in a diamond lattice, only 0.89 angstrom
apart — less than one ten-billionth of a meter.
For the first time, moreover, an electron microscope has been able to
resolve nitrogen atoms in the presence of more massive gallium atoms in
gallium nitride, in columns spaced only 1.13 angstroms apart.

"The ability to make images of light elements such as carbon, nitrogen, and
oxygen in solids at atomic resolution is a very big step forward — and it
was achieved by a technique that can be a routine tool in the future.
Therefore, it is of great interest to science and industry," says Christian
Kisielowski, who with Michael O'Keefe and their colleagues Christian Nelson,
Chengyu Song and Roar Kilaas of Berkeley Lab's Materials Sciences Division
recently announced the record-breaking result.

Many of the most promising solids under investigation today, including
superhard materials, high-temperature superconductors, and semiconductors
with large band-gap energies, incorporate light elements in crystal lattices
at short interatomic distances.

"Seeing small atoms at atomic resolution has always been a challenge,
because they don't strongly scatter the electrons in the microscope's beam,"
says Michael O'Keefe. "When the light atoms are close to heavy ones, it has
been virtually impossible to resolve them. Heavy atoms scatter electrons
much more, and as a result the interference pattern is just too complex to
resolve."

Kisielowski explains that "the OÅM overcomes this difficulty by making a
through-focal series of images — in the case of the gallium nitride, 20
different images, each with the scattered electrons interfering with
different relative phases — and then uses computer processing to unscramble
the electron waves and combine them into a single high-resolution image in
which all electrons are in phase." He adds, "It's a way of going from the
complexity of the lattice images produced by the OÅM to the simplicity of
crystalline structures."

The OÅM had its genesis in the early 1990s, when NCEM's three-story,
million-volt Atomic Resolution Microscope, or ARM, was the world's most
powerful, with a practical resolution of 1.6 angstroms — though Kisielowski
once managed to squeeze out 1.54 angstroms. Then a Japanese-built,
one-and-a-quarter-million-volt machine in Germany achieved 0.95-angstrom
resolution, but at a cost of more than 10 million Deutschmarks.

At about the same time, O'Keefe proposed a way to computer-process
through-focus images to achieve higher resolution from a medium-voltage
microscope, an approach first suggested in the late 1960s. "Such a
microscope can be designed so that its ‘information limit' — the limit to
which it produces phase-scrambled information — lies well beyond its
traditionally defined nominal resolution, with all the transferred
information in phase," he explains. "By combining information from many
images, a single image with resolution approaching the information limit can
be achieved in practice."

Electron beams are the basis of all transmission electron microscopy, and
through-focus methods depend upon beams with all electrons at nearly the
same energy — beams with very little "energy spread." Not until the early
1990s did field-emission beam sources become stable enough for
medium-voltage instruments to operate reliably.

Thus when a group of researchers working in the European Commission's
BRITE-EURAM program set out to build a new generation of high-resolution
electron microscopes using medium voltages, they invited NCEM to be a
partner in the project, based on NCEM's high-resolution expertise and
O'Keefe's theoretical contributions. In 1993, NCEM was able to secure the
funds to acquire a suitable instrument, a Philips CM300.

Although a typical CM300's resolution limit is 1.7 angstroms, O'Keefe laid
out specifications that would optimize the instrument's information limit.
Recent results confirm the OÅM's capacity to produce phase-scrambled
information far beyond 1.7 angstroms. In the case of diamond, Kisielowski
and O'Keefe, working with Y.C. Wang, have shown that the OÅM's information
limit can extend to at least 0.89 angstrom.

And as planned, powerful computer programs used to process the focal-series
images have allowed OÅM to reconstruct images with resolutions near its
information limit.

Meanwhile the ARM, NCEM's "grandfather" microscope, is far from being
outmoded by its diminutive descendant. The OÅM can only produce ultra-high
resolution with samples less than a hundred angstroms thick, which are
prepared by planing away layer after layer of atoms, using a low-angle,
low-energy beam of argon atoms in an "ion mill" — until the samples are
"close to being all surface," O'Keefe jokes.

Kisielowski stresses that "sample preparation is getting to be a bottleneck.
It's a nasty job, and nobody wants to do it, because you don't get to be a
professor that way."

The ARM can use samples that are three times thicker and composed of heavy
atoms, yet still achieve a respectable resolution. A high-voltage microscope
can accommodate larger sample holders, which are required to perform dynamic
experiments such as in-situ straining or heating. It also allows for larger
tilt angles than the OÅM, and, says Kisielowski, "material scientists love
to observe matter from different angles — different projections are the
essence of any tomographic experiment, for example."

The ARM will see wide use for years to come. Today, however, the ultra
high-resolution performance of OÅM is unsurpassed. The 1.13-angstrom
resolution achieved with gallium nitride, allowing images of its nitrogen
atoms as well as its gallium neighbors, stands as an extraordinary
achievement — but also as a challenge to Kisielowski, O'Keefe, and their
colleagues.

Says Kisielowski, "We're aiming to investigate materials with even shorter
bond lengths with the present information limit. We want to have procedures
in place that work reliably and fast to make the experiments available to
our user community as soon as possible … colleagues from other laboratories
have already started to share our excitement by investigating their own
samples with the OÅM."

Uli Dahmen, head of NCEM, shares Kisielowski's enthusiasm. "This achievement
is based on more than six years of team effort in planning, installation and
testing. After all this time, it's a thrill to actually see it work. NCEM
has reached a very important milestone." He adds, "The one angstrom barrier
has been a Holy Grail for electron microscopists worldwide ... The OÅM makes
a truly extraordinary addition to Berkeley Lab's scientific ‘toolbox,' and I
can't wait to see what new discoveries it will bring for our users."

The Berkeley Lab is a U.S. Department of Energy national laboratory located
in Berkeley, California. It conducts unclassified scientific research and is
managed by the University of California.


Editor's Note: The original news release can be found at
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/less-one-angstrom.html


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#15 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Wed Jun 9, 1999 11:46 pm
Subject: Nanotube 99
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NANOTUBE-99Workshop on Science and Application of Nanotubes24-27 July 1999
East Lansing, Michigan, USAURL:  http://www.pa.msu.edu/conf/nt99/

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#14 From: "Alan Heaberlin" <amh@xx.xxxx
Date: Wed Jun 9, 1999 5:04 am
Subject: Re: Nano policy
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>
> I'd like to start a thread concerning
> 1.Government intervention
> 2.Policy and legislation approval for
> advanced technology
> 3.Guidelines for applications of nanotech

1. Government intervention is always a threat to
advanced technology. The excuse will be "National
Security" and the military will have jurisdiction.
2. Don't invite politicians and lawyers into areas
beyond their understanding if they can provide no
good service. Though many have the intellectual
capacity to understand these things, they
legislate to get re-elected and to secure their
power base. They will get into the picture soon
enough to make shallow protestations on behalf of
their constituents when the Army comes and takes
over a nanolab for reasons of National Security.
They will soon forget about it and go back to the
status quo of seeking that next office or keeping
the one they already have.
3. When our people finally get some useful
machines built, the applications will become
self-evident.

So do we become a sub-culture of technocrats,
hidden away in subterranean nanolabs reticent to
share discoveries even with those we would
ordinarily trust? Do we work openly and share
information freely, or do we guard our secrets
jealously and consort with patent attorneys in
dimly lit offices?
Is there any doubt that working with Federal
Grants comes with strings attached?
All this philosophy is great stuff to ponder, but
the outcome of a successful nanotechnology is
impossible to predict. Look what happened to the
Internet in a short 5 years, and who could have
predicted it? Not even Bill Gates. We are coming
into an age of the infinitely adjustable paradigm.
We are truly limited only by our imaginations and
our work is becoming more imaginative.
Pondering Gina's questions is like standing in
front of the hungry tiger's cage wondering, "Will
he eat me if I open the door?" You bet your ass he
will!
Like some component of Murphy's Law, every step in
the forward direction will be met by one of
society's banana peelings, meters of red tape and
chest pounding moralists who will surely blame
nanotechnology as being the beginning of the end
of the world.
The scariest scenarios in my mind are the ones
that have nanotechnology being the catalyst for
the creation of a centralized power over the
entire Earth--One World Government. So do we
cringe in to the dark recesses of our creative
minds and do nothing for fear of all the things
that might come about? No.
Now is the time to start creating useful and
demonstrable things with nanotechnology. If it
turns out to be half what our nano-gurus believe
it will be, the politics will take care of itself.
There is some wonderful material for a new
generation of Sci-fi writers to get their teeth
into though. Perhaps that is where the guidance
for our moral and ethical growth in a world of
nano-things will come from. Arthur C. Clark did
invent the communications satellite, remember?
This is a great subject for late night discussion
during overindulgence of fermented fruits and
grains. Personally, though I think it's time to go
to work and build something.
If the Wright Brothers had spent much time
wondering about government interference into
aviation technology, we'd all be riding the bus.

Thanks for the opportunity to throw a little of my
own phractured philosophy your way. You're doing a
great job Gina!

Alan Heaberlin

#13 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: nanotopia show program..
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What movie Nanotopia?
Gina "Nanogirl" Miller

JD writes:
>who see the movie nanotopia with merkle,drexler,Carl feynman ?
>it was great ! i recordered it !
>
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#12 From: jonathan_desp@xxxxxxx.xxx
Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 6:04 pm
Subject: nanotopia show program..
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who see the movie nanotopia with merkle,drexler,Carl feynman ?
it was great ! i recordered it !

I know now what is the meaning of the diamond age..

why the diamond age ? the future nanotech will be
strong enough to don`t use pur material.. the future
material will be smart material..
the floor will be in life..(opinion)
all thing that you`ll see will be smart and like in our body,
in life. as a whole jungle !

nano virtuality ?
when you take cocaine and you make hallucination it`s cool !
but the drug at the molecular level is not really complex..
like for our future nanomachine..

now imagine a complex smart nanomachine able to
do better than a poor molecule of cocaine..
this nanomachine will be ablke to play with you neuron and make
halucinnation :eye,skin,nose,ear..
sensation.. and this smart-nano-machine-system
will be able to create the same thing than the real reality !
virtuality=reality with this future system..


imagine : you are in the bed with cindy crawford !
it will have no limit ! and the human will stop
their innovation an so.. the species will be ok !

#11 From: Jonathan Desp <jonathan_desp@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 10:40 am
Subject: Big Problem with a savant AI system and the humans system..
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Hi,

In the medium-age, religion, personalities, emotions, was the major advance
for countries like france.. in europa.., church and the like was really
popular while that time..

BUT the war appeared.. the technology appeared too.. WHEN YOU LOOK IN THIS
WORLD.. what conutry is the leader ? this is the USA.. and not hmm.... a
religion country above the europa. Americain people have not really a strong
religious. As me here in Canada I don`t go in a church .. inour brain we
have two kind of stimulation : the stimulation of math and the stimulation
of arts.., well we construct our world as our neuron is.. what we do
presently ? just interaction .. internet is a big brain as we know.. but not
internet.. the communication too.. why we communicate ? because our neuron
re able to communicate..

and as we can see : the sensation of the art, of the religion, of the
personalities is in the same way.. well not in the same place in our brain
but they have a differenc between
art,religion,personalities,love,ambitions..,sensations.., and
math,calcul,memorize,communications..,logic,

WELL even the english comprehension is a math problem in our brain.. when
you try to learn english you must to memorize the words and their meaning.

and so in our world what country is the most powerful ? USA, Why ? because
they are really much great in this area :
math,calcul,memorize,communications..,logic,

what country are rally poor ? Africa,south america.. and they area really
strong in these areas :
art,religion

it lack these sensations :
personalities,love,ambitions..,sensations
well i don`t where put it..

when the AI SAVANT nanosystem will appear what will be happen ? the same
thing than in our world ? if you want controlate the matter today you must
be smart in math,calcul,memorize,communications..,logic..

as the future AI nanosystem will be..

well maybe human will be smart for not build an entire AI nanosystem with
all of this properties :
math,calcul,memorize,communications..,logic..

but it lack this :
personalities,love,ambitions..,sensations (again !)

a future AI nanosystem will not have these kind of properties :
personalities,love,ambitions..,sensations

well i hope so, if not they (AI) will be able to be better than us..... in
engine of creation(or in a update, i don`t remember) drexler said that it
will be a little and a not powerful AI nanosystem like the old apple 2..
welllllll can we stop the innovation ? we are smart enough to don`t
construct and use the nuclear weapon but can we stop our own innovation(for
the technology,business i mean) ? if we innovate in the path of
religion.................... it`s ok.. but the world learned that for have
the power it must innovate in the technology and the science..... not in the
religion..,art..
and this is for that than it had the dinosaur(they are dead), the human(they
will change their configuration,too smart), and a humanoid(i don`t know),


for see me you can see my homepage:
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/jonathan/
for see my website :
http://www.angelfire.com/mn/atoma

information on me `:
i want to become a computational nanotechnologist and construct my company
atoma presently i`m working on my undergraduate study in sciences.. I`m 17
years old. I want have my bacc,master,doctorate in chem eng.. while my
construction of atoma. i live in canada,quebec,montreal and i speak french
in my home but i want to become a perfect english man. I read the book
unbounding the future and presently i read the book the global abundance..,
after i want read engine of creation, nanocon and after nanosystem.. ( I
bought it !) I read many article on web too ! I future(in the next few week)
plan in my life is to understand the language of programtion C++ !!!! Jim
von ehr said me that a cool language is python.. see python.org
I bought  two book on c++ it`s so strong this language, we can do
everything.. software control... simulation... play with our computer !!! my
idol is : jonathan postel ( the creator of internet see iana.org), bjarne
stroustrup( the foundator of c++), bill gates and steve( for their talent to
construct a human-system,an organisation, a business.) and Jim B. Lewis..
this guy have doctorate in chem ! a master too.. a bacc of course..also they
work on many project in biotechnology...while 25 years ! and now he
construct foresight.org !!!!!!!! so.. he read all on foresight.org ! and
so.. he know nanotechnology very well.. even me i try to read all on
foresight.org and i can`t ! while 10 years.. i don`t know what guy on this
earth know better nanotechnology(in general) than JIM B. Lewis.

--jon

#10 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 4:29 am
Subject: Bright future for buckyballs
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Source:   American Chemical Society (http://www.acs.org/)

Date:   Posted 6/3/99

Bright Future For Buckyball? -- Device Based On Soccer Ball-Shaped Molecules
Emits White Light For The First Time
Conventional scientific wisdom says so-called "buckyballs," sixty carbon
atoms bound together in the form of a soccer ball, are extremely
efficient>at quenching light. Now, however, University of California
researchers say>they have observed the opposite: "the first known example"
of white light
being given off from a device made of a buckyball derivative.
The development is detailed in a communication to Journal of the American
Chemical Society. The peer-reviewed journal is published by the American
Chemical Society (ACS), the world's largest scientific society. Text became
available on the ACS web May 29 and will appear in the journal's June 16
print edition.

It is relatively easy to produce small molecule or polymeric organic
materials that emit orange, yellow, and green light. Deep blue and white
light are possible, but a bit more difficult. In fact, several companies are
developing organic light emitting devices that they hope to use in products
ranging from cell phone displays to automobile bumpers. Until now, however,
the use of light-killing buckyballs for such applications seemed
unthinkable.

The UC scientists added attachments to buckyballs that modify their
electronic structure and allow them to emit light. UCLA chemist and
co-author Fred Wudl, Ph.D., currently regards their new device as "an
academic curiosity, because normally buckyballs quench luminescence very
effectively and here it actually gives off light." Practically speaking, its
efficiency is extremely low (only a fraction of a percent of electric power
supplied is converted to light) and buckyballs are currently relatively
expensive.

The UCLA chemist who first made the buckyball device, co-author Yves Rubin,
Ph.D., still allows himself to dream: "Such white light devices might
ultimately be used to illuminate rooms by covering a ceiling or wall with
the material." At the moment, however, it seems that the companies working
on simpler organic materials have a big head start on such applications,
according to Wudl.

Other co-authors on the paper are Kate Hutchison, Ph.D. and June Gao, Ph.D.
of UC, Santa Barbara and Georg Schick, Ph.D., of UCLA.

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by American
Chemical Society for journalists and other members of the public. If you
wish to quote from any part of this story, please credit American Chemical
Society as the original source. You may also wish to include the following
link in any citation:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990603070817.htm


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Date: Tue Jun 8, 1999 2:29 am
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Subject: [nanotech] Nano policy


>From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>
>
>I'd like to start a thread concerning
>1.Government intervention
>2.Policy and legislation approval for advanced technology
>3.Guidelines for applications of nanotech
>
>How will these issues be dealt with in the advanced stages of nanotech? Can
>we steer a type of governing situation ahead of time? Will there be clashes
>between the scientific community and government? Who do we want to approve
>these standards?
>
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#8 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 9:10 pm
Subject: Foresight update
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The latest Foresight update #36

http://www.foresight.org/Updates/Update36/index.html

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#7 From: "James B. Lewis" <nanojbl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: Nano policy
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At 9:46 PM -0700 6/6/99, Gina Miller wrote:

>There is such a broad spectrum of product from nanotech,
>pre-cures/immortality, that part of the vision will become replaced with
>fear politically. Do we approach this arena without the total focus of the
>implications, merely to pursuade it's growth. Should we educate or isolate
>these topics? The reactions thus far, are in our favor, as far as acceptance
>goes, this is a blindness that may or may not in the end be required. What
>if we are in need of aide, where will we get it, if were not in
>collaboration with the government. The government is providing grants and
>funding for institutions and universities for nanoscale work as we speak.
>When is the line of knowledge passed? Can we honestly believe policy makers
>will  have no knowledge, even eventually? (We know The Pres. and vice Pres.
>already have been informed) One must consider also, that there are groups
>formed to be aware of up and coming technologies, such as the "Task Force of
>the Presidential Advisory Group on Anticipated Advances in Science and
>Technology" and the enstated science court, "Scientific Adversary
>Procedure."

As Gina points out, the range of applications of nanotechnology and the
range of potential problems associated with nanotechnology are both very
broad. The applications range from nanostructured materials and simple
nanodevices, through improved manufacturing technologies, to more powerful
computers, to medical advances including curing most diseases and reversing
aging, to advanced AI systems and super intelligences (e.g. "Jupiter
Brains"). The problems range from crafting research standards so that
out-of-control replicators don't lead to "gray goo," to making it difficult
for individuals and groups to abuse nanotechnology to make weapons, to the
disintegration of economic and political systems as advanced NT/AI systems
render the economy and large-scale social organizations unnecessary, to the
creation of superintelligences that could rapidly replace humanity at the
top of the known universe's power structure.

My opinion is that we should address the full range of issues in
discussions among ourselves, and, to a lesser extent, in our efforts to
educate the public. However, I believe it would be counterproductive to try
to cover such wide ranging issues with policy makers and in (eventually)
trying to influence legislation. Frankly, we would be dismissed as cranks
and sci-fi dreamers.

Instead I suggest that we focus conversations with government regulators on
a much narrower range of issues:
(1) nanotechnology will make our economy more competitive and prosperous
(2) we as a community of self-policing nanotechnology researchers will
develop and propose research regulations to prevent the development of
unsafe assemblers and replicators, ie, to prevent "gray goo" and related
scenarios.
(3) we as a community of nanotechnology researchers will develop an open
research community, sharing methods and resources among those submitting to
mutual inspections, following agreed on procedures, etc., to make it less
likely that secret programs will develop weapons.

>I (Gina nanogirl miller) respond:
>Well, there is this window, a time frame. This should be utilized before, we
>have no choice and intervention is enforced, by or for whatever type of
>lawful reason. We all know, by then, as laws pass and are withheld, it would
>be to late.

Gina is correct that the pace of research is accelerating, so the more time
we wait, the less time we have to get out own act together before some
government authority steps in and tells us how to do everything. Another
reason that I have for recommending that development proceed according to
an Open Source (http://www.opensource.org/) model is that the more widely
disseminated the crucial information is, the less likely that any
government agency will be able to step in and completely shut down research.

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#6 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@xxxxxxx.xxxx
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 6:55 pm
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application, design, policy and guidelines, the entire arena of work on the
nanoscale, future implications, and individual ideas, debates or questions.
Thanks for being an active participant in the next revolution of our future!
Welcome, and feel free to post your ideas!

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#5 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 4:46 am
Subject: Re: Nano policy
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Gina, Jim, Gina

From: "Gina Miller>
>I'd like to start a thread concerning
>1.Government intervention
>2.Policy and legislation approval for advanced technology
>3.Guidelines for applications of nanotech
>How will these issues be dealt with in the advanced stages of nanotech? Can
>we steer a type of governing situation ahead of time? Will there be clashes
>between the scientific community and government? Who do we want to approve
>these standards?
James:
Gina raises all the crucial issues here. As some of us know, Foresight and
IMM have been sponsoring workshops to discuss these issues over the past
several months, and come of their conclusions were discussed at the recent
Foresight Group Genius Weekend. Here are a few of my own very simplistic
thoughts on these very complex and critical issues.

James wrote:
"The crux of the problem as I see it is this: nanotechnology raises severe
>safety and security issues that need to be addressed, and yet the
>government, specifically the US federal government, will in all likelihood
>find the very worst solutions to these problems. They will come up with
>regulations that ensure that current political and economic institutions
>are preserved and that the real benefits of nanotechnology are denied to
>the public. The only advantage we have in this situation is that our
>political leaders are not yet paying close attention to the potential of
>nanotechnology (and related developments, like AI)."

I respond- (Gina "Nanogirl" Miller)
There is such a broad spectrum of product from nanotech,
pre-cures/immortality, that part of the vision will become replaced with
fear politically. Do we approach this arena without the total focus of the
implications, merely to pursuade it's growth. Should we educate or isolate
these topics? The reactions thus far, are in our favor, as far as acceptance
goes, this is a blindness that may or may not in the end be required. What
if we are in need of aide, where will we get it, if were not in
collaboration with the government. The government is providing grants and
funding for institutions and universities for nanoscale work as we speak.
When is the line of knowledge passed? Can we honestly believe policy makers
will  have no knowledge, even eventually? (We know The Pres. and vice Pres.
already have been informed) One must consider also, that there are groups
formed to be aware of up and coming technologies, such as the "Task Force of
the Presidential Advisory Group on Anticipated Advances in Science and
Technology" and the enstated science court, "Scientific Adversary
Procedure."


James writes:
>So we have the opportunity to develop our own views of the proper
>precautions and regulations to use in developing nanotechnology, and to
>perhaps develop a consensus among the key players, so that there will be
>enough momentum going in the right direction that by the time government
>leaders pay attention they will be less able to screw things up, as they
>are wont to do.

I (Gina nanogirl miller) respond:
Well, there is this window, a time frame. This should be utilized before, we
have no choice and intervention is enforced, by or for whatever type of
lawful reason. We all know, by then, as laws pass and are withheld, it would
be to late.


James Lewis writes:
>In my opinion, there are two key areas of concern:
>(1) Nanotechnology (NT) and/or artificial intelligence (AI) devices could
>get out of control, or they could be used as weapons, for war, terrorism,
>or other violence.
>(2) NT/AI will largely erase the current basis for our economic and
>political institutions. It will be possible for small groups, and even for
>individuals, to live quite comfortably without the need for large social
>organizations. We can thus expect that those who currently hold power in
>large economic and political institutions will seek to deny full use of
>NT/AI to the public in order to maintain their power over the rest of us.


I (Gina nangirl Miller) respond,
These are also our governments (I think all but one of our military branches
have nano research) main, well not as you put it, concern, but more of an
objective.


James writes:
>To propose one answer to Gina's question, I propose that we need to develop
>our own guidelines, as a community of people interested in and working for
>the development of nanotechnology. If a convincing consensus develops among
>the knowledgeable, then when the time comes, the government is likely to
>adopt those recommendations.
>As a second suggestion, we need to start thinking about what the ideal
>constitution is for a large group of very powerful, very independent
>individuals (that is, individuals owning very powerful NT/AI systems) to
>live together without destroying each other. What are the minimal powers
>that some governing agency should have to prevent violence and fraud? Who
>(or what) should such a governing agency be? Who owns the unclaimed
>resources of space?


I respond (Gina)
On these points very good, but how do we approach this, with concrete goals?
Unfortunately were not the law, so we can't decide who is who, right now,
they decide the who owns what.......... and who should govern what......
unless we get our butts politically motived. Some of us, have to become
pseudo policy makers, make sure our voice is heard in congress.Legislation,
legislation, before it's too late. If you approach, is to leave them hanging
in the dark, we are going to have to have a legal leg to stand on.

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#4 From: "James B. Lewis" <nanojbl@...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 1:15 am
Subject: Re: Nano policy
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At 3:29 PM -0700 6/6/99, Gina Miller wrote:
>From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>
>
>I'd like to start a thread concerning
>1.Government intervention
>2.Policy and legislation approval for advanced technology
>3.Guidelines for applications of nanotech
>
>How will these issues be dealt with in the advanced stages of nanotech? Can
>we steer a type of governing situation ahead of time? Will there be clashes
>between the scientific community and government? Who do we want to approve
>these standards?

Gina raises all the crucial issues here. As some of us know, Foresight and
IMM have been sponsoring workshops to discuss these issues over the past
several months, and come of their conclusions were discussed at the recent
Foresight Group Genius Weekend. Here are a few of my own very simplistic
thoughts on these very complex and critical issues.

The crux of the problem as I see it is this: nanotechnology raises severe
safety and security issues that need to be addressed, and yet the
government, specifically the US federal government, will in all likelihood
find the very worst solutions to these problems. They will come up with
regulations that ensure that current political and economic institutions
are preserved and that the real benefits of nanotechnology are denied to
the public. The only advantage we have in this situation is that our
political leaders are not yet paying close attention to the potential of
nanotechnology (and related developments, like AI).

So we have the opportunity to develop our own views of the proper
precautions and regulations to use in developing nanotechnology, and to
perhaps develop a consensus among the key players, so that there will be
enough momentum going in the right direction that by the time government
leaders pay attention they will be less able to screw things up, as they
are wont to do.

In my opinion, there are two key areas of concern:
(1) Nanotechnology (NT) and/or artificial intelligence (AI) devices could
get out of control, or they could be used as weapons, for war, terrorism,
or other violence.
(2) NT/AI will largely erase the current basis for our economic and
political institutions. It will be possible for small groups, and even for
individuals, to live quite comfortably without the need for large social
organizations. We can thus expect that those who currently hold power in
large economic and political institutions will seek to deny full use of
NT/AI to the public in order to maintain their power over the rest of us.

To propose one answer to Gina's question, I propose that we need to develop
our own guidelines, as a community of people interested in and working for
the development of nanotechnology. If a convincing consensus develops among
the knowledgeable, then when the time comes, the government is likely to
adopt those recommendations.

As a second suggestion, we need to start thinking about what the ideal
constitution is for a large group of very powerful, very independent
individuals (that is, individuals owning very powerful NT/AI systems) to
live together without destroying each other. What are the minimal powers
that some governing agency should have to prevent violence and fraud? Who
(or what) should such a governing agency be? Who owns the unclaimed
resources of space?

My phillosophy is libertarian, so I come to this discussion with the bias
that the best governance is the least governance, and that individuals
should be empowered to do whatever they want as long as they do not commit
violence or fraud upon other individuals.

Comments?

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#3 From: "James B. Lewis" <nanojbl@...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 12:31 am
Subject: Re: Benefits of human cloning and wet nanotechnology.
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At 1:50 AM -0700 6/6/99, jonathan_desp@... wrote:

>True wet nano is good for the present for nanotech but not for the future
>i think..
[snip]
>nanotechnology will going give us the power to innovate much quickly and
>we will have the possibility to change our body. we will want to change
>our old neuron for better nanocomputer. BUT a problem happen because the
>neuron is not really complex.. but their interaction yes ! and if we want
>to have a better brain with nanocomputer we will must construct the
>interaction too and so.. can we ? with software i don`t think so.. it will
>become hazardous and maybe the creation of this brain will can control us
>humans.
[snip]
if we want construct a nanocomputer brain with the same co!
>mplexity of our brain,interaction.. well at the end of the experience we
>will be much smarter than the nanocomputer brain.. and so, as we remember
>at the first moment of this experience the goal of this experience was to
>construct a much smarter brain.. foe put it in the place of our old
>brain... that`s a big problemof nanotechnology.. and this problem will
>appear not just with the brain.. with our cells too.. the interaction of
>our cell is really complex.. well yes..... our cells alone is maybe less
>compless than our future design of nanomachine but their relations,
>correllations,their inter-relations.. them ?

I believe that the issues that you raise point to the importance of the
early development of high level artificial intelligence (AI) engineering
design systems. The relationship between the development of AI and the
development of nanotechnology (NT) is complex. On the one hand, NT will
make possible much more powerful computers on which to implement AI, thus
facilitating the development of AI. But I believe that the role of AI in
the development of NT will be even more important, even if the AI systems
are implemented on current day computer systems and the near term
improvements to those systems that will be made without NT.

An important point to note, as Drexler has argued in _Engines of Creation_,
is that the most useful AI systems will not be ones that appear to be
human, with all that implies with respect to personalities, emotions,
ambitions, etc., but rather the most useful systems will be those that are
idiot savants - systems that are very good at solving specific technical
problems, and solve those problems much better than do humans. I think such
systems will be essential for the application of nanotechnology to cellular
repair, reanimating cryonically preserved humans, and enhancing the human
body.

Consider if someone tomorrow developed a machine capable of atomically
precise positional control of mechanochemistry, and also capable of
self-replication. With such assembler-replicators we could immediately
implement the construction of vastly improved materials, such as building
materials with strength to weight ratios 50 or more times better than
steel, etc. With a modest amount of programming, we could make most
consumer goods and industrial commodities very cheaply and very
cleanly,etc. We could also start to build much more powerful computers.

But the application to nanomedicine, beyond perhaps simple elimination of
viruses, microorganisms, and cancer cells, is likely to involve programming
complicated enough to be beyond our current methods of writing software.
Perhaps some simple regeneration can be accomplished by simple programming
of nanobots to provide cell growth fators, or to use conventional
microsurgery to implant stem cells in the right places. But really
understanding how the trillions of cells in the body interact, using the
100,000 or so genes in each cell, will probably require very sophisticated
analysis and programming that is beyond human capability. That would almost
certainly be the case in understanding the interactions among the 10E15 or
so synapses in the human brain.

We need programs that will make, or help us make, more complex programs,
leading eventually to very powerful AI engineering design systems. Dr. J.
S. Hall has touched upon this issue in a recent book review:
http://www.foresight.org/Updates/Update36/Update36.4.html#RobotAge

So, to return to the issues you raised: wet nanotechnology produced through
evolution will eventually give way to more powerful nanotechnologies, and
how do we interact with, make use of, and benefit from such technologies
without risking those technologies taking control from us.

I think the way to go is through Open Source (http://www.opensource.org/)
development of distributed systems (over the web) to develop better AI
tools to facilitate the further development of even better AI tools, and
also to facilitate the engineering development of NT. And developing
software systems to control vast networks of nanodevices.

There are lots of things that one can think of to do to try to develop
nanotechnology. Lab work is undeniably essential, but requires a certain
minimum of capital (maybe a few $100K, maybe more). My guess is that a few
dozen very smart and determined programmers, including those without any
formal credentials, could do a great deal on the AI development path with
part time effort and without any substantial capital.

Why Open Source? First, it provides a way for a very loose network of
workers to collaborate without formal organizational arrangements. Second,
AI development that "runs away" leading to a Terminator-like scenario is a
risk that needs to be considered. Having the software along the way be Open
Source provides much greater opportunity to catch errors and dangerous
programming in time to correct it.

Just some thoughts from an ex-molecular biologist who admits to knowing
very little programming, that is, no programming except html.

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#2 From: "Gina Miller" <nanogirl@...>
Date: Sun Jun 6, 1999 10:29 pm
Subject: Nano policy
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I'd like to start a thread concerning
1.Government intervention
2.Policy and legislation approval for advanced technology
3.Guidelines for applications of nanotech

How will these issues be dealt with in the advanced stages of nanotech? Can
we steer a type of governing situation ahead of time? Will there be clashes
between the scientific community and government? Who do we want to approve
these standards?

Gina "Nanogirl" Miller
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#1 From: jonathan_desp@...
Date: Sun Jun 6, 1999 8:50 am
Subject: Re: Benefits of human cloning and wet nanotechnology.
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it was a message that i responded in the past to my friend eren casson.

hi every body !

True wet nano is good for the present for nanotech but not for the future i
think.. nature is not evoluate.. it take to long for evolute.. example : it take
6 years for the our ribosomes(1millions+) to assemble all cell in our body.. 7
years for an adult body.. the nanosystem of the ribosome is not really good i
think.. the nature has not invent the wheel yet.. so.... and we yes ! of
course..

nanotechnology will going give us the power to innovate much quickly and we will
have the possibility to change our body. we will want to change our old neuron
for better nanocomputer. BUT a problem happen because the neuron is not really
complex.. but their interaction yes ! and if we want to have a better brain with
nanocomputer we will must construct the interaction too and so.. can we ? with
software i don`t think so.. it will become hazardous and maybe the creation of
this brain will can control us humans. if we construct the interaction of this
future brain with help of software maybe it will be good,correct.. but as we
know when we do something we do construct relation through our neurons.. example
: we construct a car and we must think how this car will be.. at the same time
we construct neurons in our head.. and so.. in the future if we want to
construct the another same car we use the same neurons.. soooooooo if we want
construct a nanocomputer brain with the same complexity of our
brain,interaction.. well at the end of the experience we will be much smarter
than the nanocomputer brain.. and so, as we remember at the first moment of this
experience the goal of this experience was to construct a much smarter brain..
foe put it in the place of our old brain... that`s a big problemof
nanotechnology.. and this problem will appear not just with the brain.. with our
cells too.. the interaction of our cell is really complex.. well yes..... our
cells alone is maybe less compless than our future design of nanomachine but
their relations, correllations,their inter-relations.. them ?

please give me some opinions about that !
How we will try to resolve this problem ?
The software is the key I think.. if they are used step by step..


Regards,

Jonathan

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