On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms.  Does anyone
here know about them?  Do they indeed exsist?  What evicence is there
for them?

One other thing, I have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
from this) of a quantom organism.



Best Regards,
W

--- Christopher Wilson <ryoga227@...> wrote:

> On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms.  Does anyone
> here know about them?  Do they indeed exsist?  What evicence is there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a quantom organism.

They're probably talking about nanobacteria, which are organisms smaller than
the arbitrary 200 nanometer smallest size scientists have assumed cellular
organisms can reach.

The people who first made a big deal out of the likely existence of such
organisms called them nanobes. They're cellular life, but probably not
structured exactly like the unimaginative bureaucrats who set the 200nm limit
assumed all life must be. There's even some question as to whether they use
conventional DNA. One alternative would be using RNA to produce copies, like
the first life may have done.

Of course all the usual bureaucratic resistence to new ideas has cropped up,
but the evidence for nanobacteria's beginning to snowball. The Mayo clinic in
Wisconsin actually managed to get through the stonewalling of peer review to
publish some really concrete evidence, recently.

Nanobacteria is being posited as the source of many biological processes that
science has been unable to adquately explain, like the mineralization of
teeth and some vascular diseases. The counter-argument is generally that
these are just chemical processes, and that the crystalization resembles
cellular life, but it's getting really hard to defend that position.

It's even been demonstrated mathematically that if nanobacteria exists, it's
quite possibly the largest mass of living material on the planet...and yet
was unknown until the last decade. Pretty bizarre.

Oh, and it's the source of that Mars Rock nonsense. The "microfossils" in the
alleged Mars meteorite were 20 to 200 nm, too small to be official life. To
me the silly part is the assumption that the rock's from Mars...definitely
bad science...not that the fossils are too small for the bureaucrats to accept.

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> Oh, and it's the source of that Mars Rock nonsense. The "microfossils" in the
> alleged Mars meteorite were 20 to 200 nm, too small to be official life. To
> me the silly part is the assumption that the rock's from Mars...definitely
> bad science...not that the fossils are too small for the bureaucrats to
accept.

Identification of the rock as Martian can't be an assumption but must be
based on some evidence.  Could you tell us what was wrong with this
evidence?

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On  another forum people are talking about nano-organisms.  Does  anyone
here know about them?  Do they indeed exsist?  What  evicence is there
for them?

One other thing, I have suggested the  posiblity (which came to mind
from this) of a quantom organism.



Best Regards,
W




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--- Mark Gubrud <mgubrud@...> wrote:

> KAZ wrote:
> > Oh, and it's the source of that Mars Rock nonsense. The "microfossils" in
> the
> > alleged Mars meteorite were 20 to 200 nm, too small to be official life.
> To
> > me the silly part is the assumption that the rock's from
> Mars...definitely
> > bad science...not that the fossils are too small for the bureaucrats to
> accept.
>
> Identification of the rock as Martian can't be an assumption but must be
> based on some evidence.  Could you tell us what was wrong with this
> evidence?

Yes; it's circumstantial. They predicted the noble and nitrogen gas content
of a rock from Mars from that era, based on Viking measurements of
atmospheric content /now/, and then when they found meteorites with that gas
content they ASSumed this meant those were from Mars. That's junk science.
The best they could reasonably say is "this rock has trace gases similar to
what we wildly guessed Mars might have had a billion years ago, so it's not
/eliminated/ as having come from Mars".

Not to mention that they only pay attention to the matches, not the
contradictions in those same rocks. Some of them contain properties identical
to solar meteorites, or even to terrestrial rocks, when heated enough to
release formative gasses, and yet the guess-matching properties are the ones
chosen as proof of those rocks' origin.

The meteorite we're talking about could also have come from almost anywhere
else, since all of what we think about gases a billion years ago are guess
work, especially outside our own planet.

Bring back an identical rock from Mars and you'll have an actual case that
the other one was also from there, but even then you haven't eliminated it
coming from another place, unless you manage to match the two do a
ridiculously tight degree, akin to deciding whether lead in an old musketball
came from Missouri or France.

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hi all!
can anybody help me in finding out some literature on nanowires......
its my seminar topic and getting tough  for me..............

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Thank you, I'll be sure to check that out.



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--- In nanotech@yahoogroups.com, forbes4nano@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 2:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> ryoga227@y... writes:
>
>
> On  another forum people are talking about nano-organisms.  Does
anyone
> here know about them?  Do they indeed exsist?  What  evicence is
there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I have suggested the  posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a quantom organism.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> W
>
>
>
>
> Nanobacteria
> _www.calcify.com_ (http://www.calcify.com/)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ojha,,

can u b more specific?

regards

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its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state calcif
stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?


Christopher Wilson <ryoga227@...> wrote:



Thank you, I'll be sure to check that out.



Best Regards,
W

--- In nanotech@yahoogroups.com, forbes4nano@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 2:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> ryoga227@y... writes:
>
>
> On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms. Does
anyone
> here know about them? Do they indeed exsist? What evicence is
there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a quantom organism.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> W
>
>
>
>
> Nanobacteria
> _www.calcify.com_ (http://www.calcify.com/)
>
>
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its  interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state
calcif  stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?
>

Their is a good recent article from BBC news on this subject @ following
link.

_http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3729487.stm_
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3729487.stm)


forbes4nano


Christopher Wilson <ryoga227@...>  wrote:



Thank you, I'll be sure to check that  out.



Best Regards,
W

--- In nanotech@yahoogroups.com,  forbes4nano@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004  2:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> ryoga227@y... writes:
>
>
> On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms.  Does
anyone
> here know about them? Do they indeed exsist? What  evicence is
there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I  have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a  quantom organism.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>  W
>
>
>
>
> Nanobacteria
>  _www.calcify.com_ (http://www.calcify.com/)
>



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well Rodrick, I am new to this topic and hence wouldlike to first study the
origin of nanowires and then application,....

hoping some help from you....

regards,
ojha

Roderick Mc Carthy <lifestation2004@...> wrote:

ojha,,

can u b more specific?

regards

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... Nanowires within nanowires. ... The nanowires had boron-doped silicon shells
surrounding intrinsic silicon, as well as silicon wrapped around a silicon oxide
core. ...
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/6/11/5
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lcyarris@.... Today's top computer chips can cram about 40 million
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researchers who have developed nanowires composed of two different
semiconductors -- silicon ... These striped or "superlatticed" nanowires can
function as transistors, LEDs (light ...
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the design of artificial materials that consist of ...
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8. NIST grows nanowires - Nanodot
... NIST grows nanowires. ... Molecular Nanotechnology NIST has announced (here)
that they can grow oriented "nanowires" from ZnO on sapphire. ...
http://nanodot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/12/1714216
9. PhysicsWeb - News - Nanowires approach the quantum realm (February 2003)
... of Hong Kong have fabricated the smallest silicon nanowires ever. Shuit-Tong
Lee and colleagues believe ... for the growth of silicon nanowires such as laser
ablation, catalyst-free ...
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/2/9
10. Faster nanowires may advance nanotechnological applications for detecting
glucose, hormones or DNA: 3/01
content ... The so-called "nanowires" made of oligophenylenevinylene, or OPV,
are about 50,000 ...
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... Indium phosphide nanowires grow on silicon. ... These acted as catalysts for
the growth of indium phosphide nanowires by a vapour-liquid-solid (VLS) process.
...
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... Nanowires take directions from substrate. ... The researchers have also
controlled the growth orientation of nanowires of zinc oxide by using different
substrates. ...
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--- Roderick Mc Carthy <lifestation2004@...> wrote:

> its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state
> calcif stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?

The nanobacteria appear to be building their own itty bitty version of coral
reefs. They excrete a mineral shell, which is then mistaken by detractors for
a spontaneous crystalization process.

An interesting little thought that's more on-topic...this shows how the
limitations expected by modern science are often bunk. Our own nanotech will
probably be much smaller, one day, than even people in the industry think is
actually possible. Like the 200 nm limit for cellular life.

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exchanges and are also currently making a profit? How about a mutual
fund that has at least some holdings in nanotechnology?
Stuart

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Does anyone know of any nano businesses that are on one of the  stock
exchanges and are also currently making a profit? How about a mutual
fund that has at least some holdings in  nanotechnology?
Stuart







Stuart,

A good place to start is Nanovip.com it
is the leading nanotechnology business directory.
The goal of this  directory is to help businesses to easily find
nanotechnology  companies.

_www.nanovip.com_ (http://www.nanovip.com)

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yeah a mutal fund sounds good.. how about nanomutes
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> How about a mutual
> fund that has at least some holdings in
> nanotechnology?
> Stuart
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Stuart,
>
> A good place to start is Nanovip.com it
> is the leading nanotechnology business directory.
> The goal of this  directory is to help businesses to
> easily find
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Thanks a lot!!! The link does does not work. Do you have other links? What is
the name of the mutual fund? Who do you know there?

Neil Farbstein
516-921-5058

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Does anyone know of any nano businesses that are on one of the  stock
exchanges and are also currently making a profit? How about a mutual
fund that has at least some holdings in  nanotechnology?
Stuart







Stuart,

A good place to start is Nanovip.com it
is the leading nanotechnology business directory.
The goal of this  directory is to help businesses to easily find
nanotechnology  companies.

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I cant imagine a quantum organism existing. The uncertainty principle makes the
kind of complexity that microroganisms have impossible. Robert Forward wrote a
science fiction novel called Dragon's Egg about life forms living on the surface
of a neutron star. They were composed of neutronium and degenerate matter.

Roderick Mc Carthy <lifestation2004@...> wrote:
its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state calcif
stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?


Christopher Wilson <ryoga227@...> wrote:



Thank you, I'll be sure to check that out.



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--- In nanotech@yahoogroups.com, forbes4nano@a... wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 2:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> ryoga227@y... writes:
>
>
> On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms. Does
anyone
> here know about them? Do they indeed exsist? What evicence is
there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a quantom organism.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> W
>
>
>
>
> Nanobacteria
> _www.calcify.com_ (http://www.calcify.com/)
>
>
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Hello!,

It is an important detail, that has been ignored in the list, which
I somehow feel should have made it to the top (atleast from the
quality and quantity of publications that is coming out of this
group) and that is the group of Dr.Murali Sastry in the National
Chemical Laboratory, Pune.  In the MRS meeting held in Boston that
concluded last week, he was the only Indian scientist (most
importantly - research work done in India) to be an invited
speaker.  For further details please visit National Chemical
Laboratory website.  For those of you interesed in his research work
I recommend a search in google.

Cheers!!!
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> Well I can tell about Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Bombay,
India.
>
> Recently we had an in-house symposium on 'Nanotechnology' in which
work on
> nanotechnology within our institute was summed up and presented.
There is
> a considerable work in almost every branch in our institute.
>
> 1. Nanomaterials
> * synthesis of nanoparticles (also monodispersed nanoparticles)
> * synthesis of nanoclusters
> * confinement of above in mesoporous materials
>
> 2. Nanoelectronics, NEMS & Nanomagnetics
> * nano-crystalline silicon (nc-Si) (as window layers in solar
cells)
> * nano-silicon CMOS Transistors (sub-50 nm CMOS FETs)
> * carbon nanotube (ultra capacitors, solar cells)
> * organic molecular structres and systems
> * NEMS BioSensors (detection of acute myocardial infarction)
> * photonic crystals
> * ultra-thin films and multi-layer reflecting mirrors
> * nano structured magnetic materials
>
> 3. Nanobiotechnology
> * nanoparticles for hyperthermia in cancer
> * nanoparticles for respiratory diseases
> * nanoparticles as bioactive agents
> * nanocomposites for dental and maxillofacial use
> * nanopores formed by soluble proteins in membrane vesicles
>
> This is about just one institute in India... there are six other
IITs
> spread all over India. There are three other research centres -
Indian
> Institute of Science, Tata Institue of Fundamental Research and
National
> Centre for Biological Sciences. All these form the heart of
research in
> India and I am sure there is plenty of work going on cutting edge
> nanotechnology at all these places. There are contributions from
other
> institutes in India as well.
>
> West is obviously ahead... yeah an inspiring source for us !
>
> Thanks for your concern,
>
> regards,
> Sudhanshu
> ------------------------------------
> Senior Student
> Department of Electrical Engineering
> IIT Bombay
> India
> ------------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Andre B wrote:
>
> > Are there any serious signs of "development" research taking
place in the
> > asian region today?
> >
> > >From a western perspective, nanotechnology has been propelled
into momentum
> > branching off into a wide range of prospects. How far has the
asia region
> > excelled in comparison to the western scene.
> >
> > Is asia following their footsteps or leaping forward staying one
step ahead?
> >
> > Have any Institutions or companys already working on any
nanotech related
> > projects? If so, is there any relevant evidence of funding going
on ?
> >
> > Dr. Andre B. MD
> > Research Scientist For Quantum Physics
> > Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena
> > NASA
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SGarg :)

They excrete a mineral shell,

is this following:

if the nanobacteria were to be homed on a membrane which was used as the surface
for an oject or garmont/ panel, would they still be able to generate and
regenarate a 'coral like' shell coating/?
what environment requirementxs do they have at this time?
can they be removed from living systems where they present a nuisance or
pollutive presence? if so how?
could they be 'trained' to find weak points in calciate structures, like bones
and coral, and repaire them.. bone repaire is preferal to un-quanitified oceanic
releases (precautionary principles)?

etc

regards

                       roderick

KAZ <kazvorpal@...> wrote:


--- Roderick Mc Carthy
wrote:

> its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state
> calcif stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?

The nanobacteria appear to be building their own itty bitty version of coral
reefs. .. which is then mistaken by detractors for
a spontaneous crystalization process.

An interesting little thought that's more on-topic...this shows how the
limitations expected by modern science are often bunk. Our own nanotech will
probably be much smaller, one day, than even people in the industry think is
actually possible. Like the 200 nm limit for cellular life.

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this may be of interest or provide links..
regards

roderick

Symposium on
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http://www.nsti.org/BioNano2005/symposia/inorganic_nanowires.html

Symposium Sponsor:
Symposium Chair:  Loucas Tsakalakos, GE Global Research
Synopsis
In the last few years there has been a strong interest in one-dimensional
nanostructures based on carbon, i.e. carbon nanotubes (CNT). Devices such as
field effect transistors, biosensors, and most recently IR light emitting diodes
(LED), have been demonstrated. CNTs are considered a leading candidate for
replacing conventional CMOS electronics and are finding applications in bulk
form as well.
Concurrently, there is a growing group of researchers in the nanotechnology
community who are studying inorganic nanowires, rods, tubes, and related
nanoscale structures. This area of Inorganic Nanowires is of great scientific
and technological interest because by synthesizing semiconductor (e.g. Si, GaN,
etc.), dielectric (e.g. SiO2), or metallic (e.g. Ni, Pt) nanowires, the level of
functionality in future nanosystems may be greatly enhanced. It is now possible
to also synthesize stoichiometrically complex oxides, nitride, and carbides that
exhibit more exotic properties. Such additions to the Òtool-boxÓ of available 1D
nanomaterials may open opportunities for novel devices and applications.
To date devices and components such as field effect transistors, decoders,
inverters, UV sensors, LEDs, lasers, chemical sensors, and biosensors based on
inorganic nanowires have been demonstrated. It is clear from the literature that
both the synthesis of such nanostructures and their integration into larger
scale systems must be addressed by the research community if they are to have a
broad technologic impact.
This symposium will address the synthesis, physical properties (experimental and
theoretical studies), device integration, and applications of inorganic
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hi all!
can anybody help me in finding out some literature on nanowires......
its my seminar topic and getting tough for me..............

thanks
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well thats possible but they would have to be trained
once they were made or programmed to find weak pionts
in the bones. but it could also start to think on its
own and try to make its and the test subject immune to
almost every desise in the world and also try to find
a way to addapt ur test subject to what ever else it
could like being able to breathe under water or be
able to take the pressure of a 10,000 ft under the
water
--- Roderick Mc Carthy <lifestation2004@...>
wrote:

>
> They excrete a mineral shell,
>
> is this following:
>
> if the nanobacteria were to be homed on a membrane
> which was used as the surface for an oject or
> garmont/ panel, would they still be able to generate
> and regenarate a 'coral like' shell coating/?
> what environment requirementxs do they have at this
> time?
> can they be removed from living systems where they
> present a nuisance or pollutive presence? if so how?
> could they be 'trained' to find weak points in
> calciate structures, like bones and coral, and
> repaire them.. bone repaire is preferal to
> un-quanitified oceanic releases (precautionary
> principles)?
>
> etc
>
> regards
>
>                       roderick
>
> KAZ <kazvorpal@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Roderick Mc Carthy
> wrote:
>
> > its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/
> peices, thesolid state
> > calcif stuff and an evolving organic shape form..
> are they the same?
>
> The nanobacteria appear to be building their own
> itty bitty version of coral
> reefs. .. which is then mistaken by detractors for
> a spontaneous crystalization process.
>
> An interesting little thought that's more
> on-topic...this shows how the
> limitations expected by modern science are often
> bunk. Our own nanotech will
> probably be much smaller, one day, than even people
> in the industry think is
> actually possible. Like the 200 nm limit for
> cellular life.
>
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what exactly quantifies life.. the note concerning the coral effect shows a
process often associated with life and defense of that life by simple and more
complex organisms. what degree of stabilty is required to have a stable
intelligent process?

nanoparticlesalez@... wrote:

I cant imagine a quantum organism existing. The uncertainty principle makes the
kind of complexity that microroganisms have impossible. Robert Forward wrote a
science fiction novel called Dragon's Egg about life forms living on the surface
of a neutron star. They were composed of neutronium and degenerate matter.

Roderick Mc Carthy
wrote:
its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/ peices, thesolid state calcif
stuff and an evolving organic shape form.. are they the same?


Christopher Wilson wrote:



Thank you, I'll be sure to check that out.



Best Regards,
W

--- In nanotech@yahoogroups.com, forbes4nano@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 2:52:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> ryoga227@y... writes:
>
>
> On another forum people are talking about nano-organisms. Does
anyone
> here know about them? Do they indeed exsist? What evicence is
there
> for them?
>
> One other thing, I have suggested the posiblity (which came to mind
> from this) of a quantom organism.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> W
>
>
>
>
> Nanobacteria
> _www.calcify.com_ (http://www.calcify.com/)
>
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with the breathing do you mean by creating a tranmision membrae which could
extract molecules of o2 from the h2o and move them towards th lung intake point
[throat/ wind pipe]

seriously, the bone repair..

if these things are present in an organic system they need to b directed to a
usefull point in that system. un-wanted congregations of calciate are not going
to be good for a given human test suject..

lynx chunn <lynx_the_immortal2003@...> wrote:


well thats possible but they would have to be trained
once they were made or programmed to find weak pionts
in the bones. but it could also start to think on its
own and try to make its and the test subject immune to
almost every desise in the world and also try to find
a way to addapt ur test subject to what ever else it
could like being able to breathe under water or be
able to take the pressure of a 10,000 ft under the
water
--- Roderick Mc Carthy

wrote:

>
> They excrete a mineral shell,
>
> is this following:
>
> if the nanobacteria were to be homed on a membrane
> which was used as the surface for an oject or
> garmont/ panel, would they still be able to generate
> and regenarate a 'coral like' shell coating/?
> what environment requirementxs do they have at this
> time?
> can they be removed from living systems where they
> present a nuisance or pollutive presence? if so how?
> could they be 'trained' to find weak points in
> calciate structures, like bones and coral, and
> repaire them.. bone repaire is preferal to
> un-quanitified oceanic releases (precautionary
> principles)?
>
> etc
>
> regards
>
> roderick
>
> KAZ wrote:
>
>
> --- Roderick Mc Carthy
> wrote:
>
> > its interesting. theres seems to be two entities/
> peices, thesolid state
> > calcif stuff and an evolving organic shape form..
> are they the same?
>
> The nanobacteria appear to be building their own
> itty bitty version of coral
> reefs. .. which is then mistaken by detractors for
> a spontaneous crystalization process.
>
> An interesting little thought that's more
> on-topic...this shows how the
> limitations expected by modern science are often
> bunk. Our own nanotech will
> probably be much smaller, one day, than even people
> in the industry think is
> actually possible. Like the 200 nm limit for
> cellular life.
>
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Stagecoach buses get into nanotech
nanny particle, 06.12.2004 23:43

Stagecoach Boss Brian Souter - one of the most homophobic rich men in britain
who has personally bankrolled anti-gay campaigns - has announced that he will be
using nanoparticle fuel additives in all stagecoach buses in the UK -
Nanoparticle pollution from car exhausts is already a leading cause of child
death - how can you claim to be environmentally friendly by adding more
nanoparticles???
another nasty corporate person backing another nasty corporate technology? -
more reason to boycott stagecoach...

Nanotechnology News

Stagecoach Group to Roll Out Envirox Nanotechnology Fuel additive Across its
Entire UK Bus Fleet


Stagecoach Group is to roll out the use of the next-generation fuel additive
Envirox™ across its entire UK bus fleet after the success of a 12-month
commercial evaluation.


The Perth-based international transport group announced today that its tests of
the product in the north west of England and London had delivered more than a 5%
cut in fuel consumption and an associated decrease in vehicle emissions.


Last year, Stagecoach signed an agreement with Cerulean International Ltd, the
Oxford-based subsidiary of the nanomaterials company Oxonica Ltd, to trial the
product in up to 1,000 vehicles across the country.


Now the fuel additive will be rolled out over the next six months across
Stagecoach’s 7,000-strong bus fleet, which operates from the Highlands of
Scotland to south west England.


Brian Souter, Stagecoach Group Chief Executive, said: “We are extremely excited
about the potential of this product, not just for our business, but for the
whole of the public transport and logistics sector.


“Fuel is one of the biggest costs in the transport industry and the savings this
product is able to deliver will help us continue to provide value-for-money bus
services that attract people to public transport. It will also help improve the
environmental impact of our operations and the quality of life in our towns and
cities.


“Stagecoach is committed to playing its part in building a sustainable
environment. Along with our trials of hybrid electric bus technology, this
innovation is further evidence that we are leading the transport industry in
developing new ideas.”


Dr Kevin Matthews, Oxonica Group Chief Executive, said: “Oxonica is developing
nanotechnology that addresses real market needs and Envirox is the first example
which we are commercialising through our wholly-owned subsidiary Cerulean
International.”


Stuart Anderson, Business Director of Cerulean, said: “Cerulean is working to
introduce Envirox in a number of national markets around the world. We are
delighted that Stagecoach has recognised the value of the benefit that the
product brings and are excited by the opportunity within the UK transport
market.”


Nanotechnology research is a key technology of the 21st century and is used to
design and build materials at the atomic scale. Scientists work in nanometres,
each of which is 1/80000th of the diameter of a human hair.


The fuel additive Envirox™ is based on a well-known oxidation catalyst widely
used in catalytic converters. The material has been re-engineered using
Oxonica’s nanotechnology expertise to allow it to be delivered as a fuel-borne
catalyst, leading to a cleaner burn within the combustion chamber, resulting in
improved fuel efficiency and lower emissions. No engine modifications are
required to use the product, it has no impact on lubricant performance and the
optimum dose rates are low.


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--- Roderick Mc Carthy <lifestation2004@...> wrote:

> if the nanobacteria were to be homed on a membrane which was used as the
> surface for an oject or garmont/ panel, would they still be able to
> generate and regenarate a 'coral like' shell coating/?

I don't know whether they're thought to regenerate it. I suspect that their
life-cycle is much simpler than we envision even for bacteria. The Mayo
results, if I recall correctly, essentially said that the only opening in the
"coral" structure was against the petri dish glass itself. Perhaps by the
time it's completed, they are simply sealed in and die.

> what environment requirementxs do they have at this time?

It sounds to me like a very simple subset of the requirements of other single
cell life.

> can they be removed from living systems where they present a nuisance or
> pollutive presence? if so how?

It sounds like they almost certainly can. First of all, they contain
proteins, which means they are probably vulnerable to various immune system
functions which target specific proteins. I believe I saw some results where
part of the verification of their lifeworthiness was that they seemed to grow
less when exposed to some agent which is also known to retard the growth of
some bacteria.

Being organic life forms of /some/ kind, of course there must be conditions
which encourage or retard their activity.

> could they be 'trained' to find weak points in calciate structures, like
> bones and coral, and repaire them.. bone repaire is preferal to
> un-quanitified oceanic releases (precautionary principles)?

Well, I think the real question is whether they could be "trained" with the
anything like technology we have today. Of course they CAN be trained, in the
sense that with enough technology you can accomplish pretty much anything
which could ever occur "naturally".

Setting aside the fact that anything humans do is, of course, really a part
of nature, too.

It seems likely that, if nanobacteria are pivotal to the calcification of
teeth, then there must be cues which tell them where and when to act/live.
These can probably be replicated or exploited to cause them to calcify (or
otherwise help) where we wish.

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