Hi all,
	 I'm willing to know more about the Marantz PMD 671. Although the site
http://www.d-mpro.eu.com reports 48 kHz max sampling, some sites report it
as a 96 kHz upgrade of the 670.

I'm also wondering about improved (quieter) mic preamplifier... anyone has
news ?

Gianni
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Thanks John.

However, I have constant troubles coming in on the Yahoo account and get
attachments. Can you send a .jpg to me, private at telinga@... max
300k??

Klas

At 07:18 2005-03-01, you wrote:


>Klas wrote:
> > And I heard a John Hartog MP3 file - 050213a_birds....etc. , very
>interesting!
> > Do you have any pictures, John??
>
>A while ago, I posted this photo of a similar design:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists/files/JH-183sOn
>TubeInDish.jpg
>
>-John Hartog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
email: telinga@...
         info@...

If you've written the book, Walter, and it concerns nature and/or recording
nature sounds, please post the details on Naturerecordists when it's in the
shops.


Syd


> From: Walter Knapp <wwknapp@...>
> Reply-To: naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:54:46 -0500
> To: naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Nature recording 101
>
> And I try and pacify a printer who's got
> strange ideas about printable pictures so that a book can be published.

John, I would say that's defiantly a Western Meadowlark song, which,
according to Paul Ehrlich et al in "The Birders Handbook" can be given by
both species of Meadowlark. Near my home in Prescott we have a group of the
Lilian's Eastern Meadowlark, which some ornithologists are considering
splitting from the "Typical" Eastern as Sibley calls them. And I also have
some recordings of Meadowlarks made in Texas that sound like a combination
of western and eastern. But again yours, in my opinion, is a definite
western song. However the bird may not be.

Jim

Jim Morgan
Acting Moderator
Nature Recordists e-mail group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists
Personal Photography:
http://wingsofnature.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hartog" <hartogj_1999@...>
To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:37 PM
Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: always another mystery


>
>
> Last week I wrote:
> > I know the Red Winged Blackbirds, but not the ducks that are
> > clucking and taking off and landing in the water.
> >http://www.rockscallop.org/mp3/050213a_Birds_183sPbD.mp3
>
> Thank you Pete and Martin for identifying the Northern Shoveler
> in my recording.
>
> Now, on to my next mystery:
> http://www.rockscallop.org/JH_050226_mystery.mp3
>
> I think it is the Western Meadow Lark: can anyone confirm this?
> Recorded on 2/26/05 in Klickitat Co. WA at Conboy Lake NWR.
> I used a Telinga dish as before, but this time the WL-183s are
> mounted on an LP mounted inside the dish.
> With this method the background sounds are placed nicely in
> stereo and not flip-flopped.
> -John Hartog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Microphones are not ears,
> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
> Klas Strandberg
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey guys!

When is the Marantz PMD 660 supposed to appear on the scene? Is it better in
some respects than the MD 670, which is more expensive? Or is the 670 the
better recorder?

A friend needs an inexpensive two track, but with phantom power, fairly
decent preamps, and long run time preferably with conventional AAs. Looks
like the 670 requires a special battery.

We might have discussed this in the group, but I've been so busy lately that
I haven't been reading all the posts.

Lang

If anyone needs a safari/photo vest, I found the place.  I have
nothing, as in zero, to do with these people except that their vests
are great with many pockets and only $39.95!  They come in khaki,
olive drab, black, and camo.  Only thing is, if you order one,
they're cut HUGE.  I'm a size large but their medium (44" chest) is
big on me as they're cut to fit OVER big heavy coats and gear so
take that into account.
http://www.razorlimit.com/safvesgray.html
Again, just passing this on because I like the vest so much and for
the low price. Lots of pockets for all my recording gear.

Lang Elliott wrote:

> When is the Marantz PMD 660 supposed to appear on the scene?

I saw one dealer site taking pre-orders and claiming to be
getting the 1st batch.  My preferred dealer says sometime in
March.  Looks like $500 street.

I've got an Edirol R-1 that's dissapointed me on several fronts,
the most recent being the clunky user interface doesn't let
you see the value of settings at the list level -- you have to
go down into edit mode.  I tried to set it to stereo, but the
exit sequence is ambiguous and I wound up putting it back in
mono for a demo session.  I didn't discover that until I was
processing the tracks later and noticed L & R tracks were
identical.  I haven't determined for sure if it mixed the
L & R inputs, or just duplicated L onto R, but the .WAV file
was two tracks.

I'm planning to get the Marantz 660 and keep the R-1 long
enough to do a head-to-head comparison, but I really don't
won't to lug around an AC powered outboard preamp for my
P48 mics, so I think the Marantz wins already.

The demo tracks are on my web site -- email me for URL.
They're 24 bit wav Left channel converted to 16 bit aiff
then 160 kbps mp3.  Input chain was Earthworks SRO ->
M-Audio Duo -> Edirol R-1 @ 24-bit WAV MONO.  Bluegrass.

-- Mike

Thanks Mike. I'll check with the Oade Brothers.

Lang

Lang Elliott wrote:

> When is the Marantz PMD 660 supposed to appear on the scene?

I saw one dealer site taking pre-orders and claiming to be
getting the 1st batch.  My preferred dealer says sometime in
March.  Looks like $500 street.

I've got an Edirol R-1 that's dissapointed me on several fronts,
the most recent being the clunky user interface doesn't let
you see the value of settings at the list level -- you have to
go down into edit mode.  I tried to set it to stereo, but the
exit sequence is ambiguous and I wound up putting it back in
mono for a demo session.  I didn't discover that until I was
processing the tracks later and noticed L & R tracks were
identical.  I haven't determined for sure if it mixed the
L & R inputs, or just duplicated L onto R, but the .WAV file
was two tracks.

I'm planning to get the Marantz 660 and keep the R-1 long
enough to do a head-to-head comparison, but I really don't
won't to lug around an AC powered outboard preamp for my
P48 mics, so I think the Marantz wins already.

The demo tracks are on my web site -- email me for URL.
They're 24 bit wav Left channel converted to 16 bit aiff
then 160 kbps mp3.  Input chain was Earthworks SRO ->
M-Audio Duo -> Edirol R-1 @ 24-bit WAV MONO.  Bluegrass.

-- Mike


"Microphones are not ears,
Loudspeakers are not birds,
A listening room is not nature."
Klas Strandberg


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Hi Su,

I was in Rudy's workshop with you. I remember you told me that you, I
think, got another cord for your ecm-ms957 mic, a smooth one rather than
the braided one that came with it? Do you know what the part number is? The
braided one is really annoying--I don't know why they use something that
makes so much noise.

Thanks--Debbi

At 05:12 PM 6/19/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>sony mz-r50 walkman recorder
>sennheiser me-62 omni mic. I really like this microphone stand alone
>    or in the telinga dish when I want long, mono recordings.  One day
>    I'll get another to use as a stereo pair.
>sony ecm-ms957 stereo mic
>telinga dish with universal handle
>2 shure wl-183 omni lavalier mics wired to a stereo miniplug.
>    These mics are fastened to either side of a plastic cat food can
>    lid (ala Lang's telinga stereo setup) and sandwiched inside of a
>    3 inch wire mesh "herb ball" wind screen, covered with fake fur,
>    attached to a pvc tube handle.  I use it either stand alone or in
>    the telinga dish.  This is my favorite at the moment.  Much quieter
>    than the sony stereo mic and easier to use in the dish. Initially
>    I used these in a binaural ear muff setup but find I really prefer
>    this stereo arrangement.
>su anderson in marin, ca
>
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Sorry about that, I meant not to send the message to the list. But as long
as I asked, if anyone else has anything to say about the cord and what to
do about it, let me know.

Debbi

Mike--
Sorry to hear about the R-1 issues. Do you think the noise level on
the mic inputs on the 660 will be okay for quiet locations?  Have you
been able to find 660 specs? I see the 670 is listed as "65dB Signal
to Noise Ratio."  Rob D.

= = = =

At 9:11 AM -0600 3/1/05, Mike Feldman wrote:
>Lang Elliott wrote:
>
>  > When is the Marantz PMD 660 supposed to appear on the scene?
>
>I saw one dealer site taking pre-orders and claiming to be
>getting the 1st batch.  My preferred dealer says sometime in
>March.  Looks like $500 street.
>
>I've got an Edirol R-1 that's dissapointed me on several fronts,
>the most recent being the clunky user interface doesn't let
>you see the value of settings at the list level -- you have to
>go down into edit mode.  I tried to set it to stereo, but the
>exit sequence is ambiguous and I wound up putting it back in
>mono for a demo session.  I didn't discover that until I was
>processing the tracks later and noticed L & R tracks were
>identical.  I haven't determined for sure if it mixed the
>L & R inputs, or just duplicated L onto R, but the .WAV file
>was two tracks.
>
>I'm planning to get the Marantz 660 and keep the R-1 long
>enough to do a head-to-head comparison, but I really don't
>won't to lug around an AC powered outboard preamp for my
>P48 mics, so I think the Marantz wins already.
>
>The demo tracks are on my web site -- email me for URL.
>They're 24 bit wav Left channel converted to 16 bit aiff
>then 160 kbps mp3.  Input chain was Earthworks SRO ->
>M-Audio Duo -> Edirol R-1 @ 24-bit WAV MONO.  Bluegrass.
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Rob Danielson
Film Department
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee

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I got it at Soundprofessionals.com.  Part # is sp-xlrf5-mini-2.
A real improvement over the braided cord.
su anderson

This is news to me Jim.

If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
it with binocs.

I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
  I believe that is still the case here.

Rich

--- In naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Morgan" <kingbird@c...>
wrote:
> John, I would say that's defiantly a Western Meadowlark song, which,
> according to Paul Ehrlich et al in "The Birders Handbook" can be
given by
> both species of Meadowlark. Near my home in Prescott we have a group
of the
> Lilian's Eastern Meadowlark, which some ornithologists are considering
> splitting from the "Typical" Eastern as Sibley calls them. And I
also have
> some recordings of Meadowlarks made in Texas that sound like a
combination
> of western and eastern. But again yours, in my opinion, is a definite
> western song. However the bird may not be.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Morgan
> Acting Moderator
> Nature Recordists e-mail group:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists
> Personal Photography:
> http://wingsofnature.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hartog" <hartogj_1999@y...>
> To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:37 PM
> Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: always another mystery
>
>
> >
> >
> > Last week I wrote:
> > > I know the Red Winged Blackbirds, but not the ducks that are
> > > clucking and taking off and landing in the water.
> > >http://www.rockscallop.org/mp3/050213a_Birds_183sPbD.mp3
> >
> > Thank you Pete and Martin for identifying the Northern Shoveler
> > in my recording.
> >
> > Now, on to my next mystery:
> > http://www.rockscallop.org/JH_050226_mystery.mp3
> >
> > I think it is the Western Meadow Lark: can anyone confirm this?
> > Recorded on 2/26/05 in Klickitat Co. WA at Conboy Lake NWR.
> > I used a Telinga dish as before, but this time the WL-183s are
> > mounted on an LP mounted inside the dish.
> > With this method the background sounds are placed nicely in
> > stereo and not flip-flopped.
> > -John Hartog
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Microphones are not ears,
> > Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > A listening room is not nature."
> > Klas Strandberg
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Since I'm in non-lurk mode, can anyone tell me who is making the creaking
call in this recording (the ..MBSP.. file)? There are Pacific Tree Frogs
(ribbit) in the foreground.
This was recorded in a sag pond in an OSP (with permit, of course) on the
north edge of Santa Clara County in the Santa Cruz Mountains (SF Bay Area).

  
<http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbrusco>http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbr\
usco/sounds/


The other frog recording was made while it was misting (and since it was
around 9 p.m., there's a surprise in there). I know moisture affects the
mic, but what does it do to the sound (make more noise?)?

Debbi

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It doesn't seem to be very well known. And most people probably don't give a
hoot anyway.

I imagine that almost all Meadowlarks sing the song of their species, but
there are exceptions.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:14 AM
Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: always another mystery


>
>
> This is news to me Jim.
>
> If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
> Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
> it with binocs.
>
> I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
>  I believe that is still the case here.
>
> Rich
>
> --- In naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Morgan" <kingbird@c...>
> wrote:
> > John, I would say that's defiantly a Western Meadowlark song, which,
> > according to Paul Ehrlich et al in "The Birders Handbook" can be
> given by
> > both species of Meadowlark. Near my home in Prescott we have a group
> of the
> > Lilian's Eastern Meadowlark, which some ornithologists are considering
> > splitting from the "Typical" Eastern as Sibley calls them. And I
> also have
> > some recordings of Meadowlarks made in Texas that sound like a
> combination
> > of western and eastern. But again yours, in my opinion, is a definite
> > western song. However the bird may not be.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Morgan
> > Acting Moderator
> > Nature Recordists e-mail group:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists
> > Personal Photography:
> > http://wingsofnature.com/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hartog" <hartogj_1999@y...>
> > To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:37 PM
> > Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: always another mystery
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last week I wrote:
> > > > I know the Red Winged Blackbirds, but not the ducks that are
> > > > clucking and taking off and landing in the water.
> > > >http://www.rockscallop.org/mp3/050213a_Birds_183sPbD.mp3
> > >
> > > Thank you Pete and Martin for identifying the Northern Shoveler
> > > in my recording.
> > >
> > > Now, on to my next mystery:
> > > http://www.rockscallop.org/JH_050226_mystery.mp3
> > >
> > > I think it is the Western Meadow Lark: can anyone confirm this?
> > > Recorded on 2/26/05 in Klickitat Co. WA at Conboy Lake NWR.
> > > I used a Telinga dish as before, but this time the WL-183s are
> > > mounted on an LP mounted inside the dish.
> > > With this method the background sounds are placed nicely in
> > > stereo and not flip-flopped.
> > > -John Hartog
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Microphones are not ears,
> > > Loudspeakers are not birds,
> > > A listening room is not nature."
> > > Klas Strandberg
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Microphones are not ears,
> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
> Klas Strandberg
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web page of
Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and  even
a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)

http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm



>Message: 8
>    Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
>    From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
>Subject: Re: always another mystery
>
>
>This is news to me Jim.
>
>If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
>Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
>it with binocs.
>
>I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
>  I believe that is still the case here.
>
>Rich


Meena Haribal
Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/

At 09:55 PM 2/28/2005, you wrote:
>I am using inner windscreens
>made from metal mesh pencil cans covered with stretch fabric
>and an outer layer of stretch fabric and polar fleece supported by
>hoops of spring steel from a car window sunshade. This system
>could still use some refinements.


Interesting post John.  This last part - I've been staring at one of these
metal mesh desk holders all along on my desk and didn't register.  But mine
has a sheet metal bottom - have you just cut that off and replaced with a
screen strainer or the like?  Or cut a hole in it to mount the mic
through?  Just curious.


Ken

From: Syd Curtis <sydc@...>

>
>
> If you've written the book, Walter, and it concerns nature and/or recording
> nature sounds, please post the details on Naturerecordists when it's in the
> shops.

Though it will contain a CD of frog ID's I recorded, and some of my frog
photos, it's a book on the Herps of Georgia, part of the output of the
Georgia Herp Atlas survey. It's being written by quite a few folks. I
managed to worm my way out of doing any writing.

I've got to learn how to record nature before I write a book about that.
I probably won't live long enough for that. My problem is the more I
learn the more there is to learn.

Lately I've been drooling over various toys for nature photography. I'd
not looked in a while, and there are a few new things. So, I'm dividing
my field time between photography and recording.

Walt
wwknapp@...

So do we have a name for an Eastern that sings like a Western & visa versa?

BTW the web pages give excellent examples of the visual differences between
the two species. My problem is usually getting a good enough look to make a
visual determination.

Jim

Jim Morgan
Acting Moderator
Nature Recordists e-mail group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/naturerecordists
Personal Photography:
http://wingsofnature.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meena Haribal" <mmh3@...>
To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [Nature Recordists] Western and Eastern Meadowlark


>
> If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web page
of
> Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
> May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and  even
> a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)
>
> http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm
>
>
>
> >Message: 8
> >    Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
> >    From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
> >Subject: Re: always another mystery
> >
> >
> >This is news to me Jim.
> >
> >If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
> >Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
> >it with binocs.
> >
> >I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
> >  I believe that is still the case here.
> >
> >Rich
>
>
> Meena Haribal
> Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
> Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
> Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
> webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
> http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
> http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/
>
>
>
>
>
> "Microphones are not ears,
> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
> Klas Strandberg
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On these eastern birds that are singing like westerners is the call note
still distinctive - in other words do they give an eastern or western
call note.

Barb Beck
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Meena Haribal wrote:

>If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web page of
>Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
>May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and  even
>a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)
>
>http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>>Message: 8
>>   Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
>>   From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
>>Subject: Re: always another mystery
>>
>>
>>This is news to me Jim.
>>
>>If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
>>Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
>>it with binocs.
>>
>>I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
>> I believe that is still the case here.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>
>
>Meena Haribal
>Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
>Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
>Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
>webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
>http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
>http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/
>
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: "Donald Weiser" <dgw2@...>

>
>
> If anyone needs a safari/photo vest, I found the place.  I have
> nothing, as in zero, to do with these people except that their vests
> are great with many pockets and only $39.95!  They come in khaki,
> olive drab, black, and camo.  Only thing is, if you order one,
> they're cut HUGE.  I'm a size large but their medium (44" chest) is
> big on me as they're cut to fit OVER big heavy coats and gear so
> take that into account.
> http://www.razorlimit.com/safvesgray.html
> Again, just passing this on because I like the vest so much and for
> the low price. Lots of pockets for all my recording gear.

I like the pocket arrangement of the Domke better. I've worn out several
of them over the years. The payment for the soft cloth that's so
comfortable on the Domke is less durability. The Safari looks like it
would have the same problem. Domke have more open mesh than the Safari
as well so I think they are cooler in hot weather.

I'd love to get a look at Portabrace's offering, but have never seen one
except on some pro rushing by. So have never had a chance to really look
it over. It looks to be heavier built than these others. Might take
longer to wear out. Since it's built for ENG and video, it would be a
little closer to the needs of sound recording I think.

I should really design and build a custom one just like I'd like. That's
probably the only way to get the perfect vest.

Walt
wwknapp@...

From: Debbi B <dgb_lists@...>

>
> Sorry about that, I meant not to send the message to the list. But as long
> as I asked, if anyone else has anything to say about the cord and what to
> do about it, let me know.

The ECM-MS957 I have came with a smooth cable. XLR 5 pin on the mic end,
Right angle ministereo on the other. Never a problem with cord noise.
You should be able to get it as a replacement part.

What I use now with it is a cable I made up using Neutric XLR's and
Canare star quad cable. That cable is very nice.

Walt
wwknapp@...

We ran into a Western Meadowlark singing what was something like an
Eastern song - years ago before I had recording gear. Jim and a friend
went back with borrowed gear and recorded for three hours and only gut
the "drip    drip   drip " call.  which was definately a Western call.
It was mid July very late in the breeding season here so he may have
been singing a regular song during the breeding season but just sorta
ran out of gas later.  I am not around these birds late in the season so
have not heard this again.

Barb Beck
Edmonton

Jim Morgan wrote:

>So do we have a name for an Eastern that sings like a Western & visa versa?
>
>BTW the web pages give excellent examples of the visual differences between
>the two species. My problem is usually getting a good enough look to make a
>visual determination.
>
>Jim
>
>Jim Morgan
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>http://wingsofnature.com/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Meena Haribal" <mmh3@...>
>To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:56 AM
>Subject: [Nature Recordists] Western and Eastern Meadowlark
>
>
>
>
>>If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web page
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
>>May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and  even
>>a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)
>>
>>http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Message: 8
>>>   Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
>>>   From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
>>>Subject: Re: always another mystery
>>>
>>>
>>>This is news to me Jim.
>>>
>>>If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
>>>Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
>>>it with binocs.
>>>
>>>I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
>>> I believe that is still the case here.
>>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>
>>Meena Haribal
>>Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
>>Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
>>Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
>>webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
>>http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
>>http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Microphones are not ears,
>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>>A listening room is not nature."
>>Klas Strandberg
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

You all probably know about this, site but there is some good data on
the Marantz PMD670, just wanted to share a bit.
http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.asp?
FolderID=1582&CatID=18&SubCatID=169

Rob Danielson wrote:

> Sorry to hear about the R-1 issues.

Yea.  Up until this morning I was prepared to list it's
good points and give it good marks for its USB interface,
but it hung my iBook twice this morning by momentarily
dropping the USB connection while I was copying files from
it.  Granted I was using less than fresh batteries, and
got a good copy after change to backup batteries.
Give the R-1 good marks for data and low marks for
battery monitor/low battery operation.

Oh, and it does actually record sound.  I ran the built-in
mics at 24-bit stereo WAV out in brisk wind for this 1st
Tuesday of the month's Civil Defense Siren test.

> Do you think the noise level on the mic inputs on the 660
> will be okay for quiet locations?

That remains to be seen.  I care more about headroom for live
music and almost always use my Earthworks omnis, that need
near max current 48 volt phantom.  As long as the gain structures
are such that I can get 60 dB into 16-bit's 90 dB range without
distorting at the top, then I'll consider a low absolute noise floor
as pleasant bonus.

> Have you been able to find 660 specs? I see the 670 is listed as "65dB Signal
> to Noise Ratio."

Still no specs... or more importantly, independent test reports.

-- Mike

Debbi:

When I opened your yahoo briefcase link I was informed that "No shared
folders are available. Sorry, the owner has not enabled any shared folders
in their account."

Lang



Since I'm in non-lurk mode, can anyone tell me who is making the creaking
call in this recording (the ..MBSP.. file)? There are Pacific Tree Frogs
(ribbit) in the foreground.
This was recorded in a sag pond in an OSP (with permit, of course) on the
north edge of Santa Clara County in the Santa Cruz Mountains (SF Bay Area).


<http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbrusco>http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/
dgbrusco/sounds/


The other frog recording was made while it was misting (and since it was
around 9 p.m., there's a surprise in there). I know moisture affects the
mic, but what does it do to the sound (make more noise?)?

Debbi

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Thanks for the link, that helps.

I have seen digital photos as good as holding the bird in your hand.
Even when you have a bad photo you know when you got the proof and
when you don't.

With binocs I still find it hard. The critters don't always cooperate
in staying in one place in good contrast.  At least Meadowlarks like
to recharge their batteries on power lines for a good length of time.
   Still you never get to see the tops of the tails with any contrast
when they do that.

I guess I just have favored my ears for these guys and now have to
question that.  Although I don't know that my local guys have learned
the new toons even though they can be found together at times.

Rich


--- In naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com, Meena Haribal <mmh3@c...> wrote:
> If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web
page of
> Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
> May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and
  even
> a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)
>
> http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm
>
>
>
> >Message: 8
> >    Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
> >    From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@c...>
> >Subject: Re: always another mystery
> >
> >
> >This is news to me Jim.
> >
> >If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
> >Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
> >it with binocs.
> >
> >I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
> >  I believe that is still the case here.
> >
> >Rich
>
>
> Meena Haribal
> Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
> Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
> Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
> webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
> http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
> http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/

Barb, the Paul Ehrlich book states that where the ranges of Eastern &
Western overlap "some males sing the songs of both species". This applies to
the males of both species. He says nothing about the call notes.

In looking at the range maps in Sibley's this takes in a very large area.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barb Beck" <barb.beck@...>
To: <naturerecordists@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] Western and Eastern Meadowlark


>
> On these eastern birds that are singing like westerners is the call note
> still distinctive - in other words do they give an eastern or western
> call note.
>
> Barb Beck
> Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>
> Meena Haribal wrote:
>
> >If you don't trust people with binoculars  and visit  excellent web page
of
> >Kevin MacGowan he tells you how to do it!
> >May be you can trust people with binoculars and a digital camera and
even
> >a deaf can see it. You don't need to hear it:-)
> >
> >http://birds.cornell.edu/crows/wmeadowlrk.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Message: 8
> >>   Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:14:17 -0000
> >>   From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@...>
> >>Subject: Re: always another mystery
> >>
> >>
> >>This is news to me Jim.
> >>
> >>If we can not id Western from Eastern by song then we can no longer id
> >>Meadowlarks without banding.  At least I don't trust the people who do
> >>it with binocs.
> >>
> >>I hope our birds in the US midwest continue to have distinctive songs.
> >> I believe that is still the case here.
> >>
> >>Rich
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >Meena Haribal
> >Cornell Lab Of Ornithology
> >Phone: 607-254-2148, 607-254-4958
> >Fax: 607-254-2415, 607-254-2104
> >webpage: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/mmh3/
> >http://www.geocities.com/asiootusloe/
> >http://birds.cornell.edu/cayugabirdclub/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Microphones are not ears,
> >Loudspeakers are not birds,
> >A listening room is not nature."
> >Klas Strandberg
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> "Microphones are not ears,
> Loudspeakers are not birds,
> A listening room is not nature."
> Klas Strandberg
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sorry, I can't be of much help IDing the noise for ya.
But I've got some questions for ya--What's an OSP and
why do you need a permit to record there?

thx,
dave

--- Debbi B <dgb_lists@...> wrote:

> Since I'm in non-lurk mode, can anyone tell me who
> is making the creaking
> call in this recording (the ..MBSP.. file)? There
> are Pacific Tree Frogs
> (ribbit) in the foreground.
> This was recorded in a sag pond in an OSP (with
> permit, of course) on the
> north edge of Santa Clara County in the Santa Cruz
> Mountains (SF Bay Area).
>
>
>
<http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbrusco>http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbr\
usco/sounds/
>
>
>
> The other frog recording was made while it was
> misting (and since it was
> around 9 p.m., there's a surprise in there). I know
> moisture affects the
> mic, but what does it do to the sound (make more
> noise?)?
>
> Debbi
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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That's odd, it's a public folder. The mail did something weird with the
link. Try pasting f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbrusco/sounds/ after http://.

At 02:11 PM 3/1/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Debbi:
>
>When I opened your yahoo briefcase link I was informed that "No shared
>folders are available. Sorry, the owner has not enabled any shared folders
>in their account."
>
>Lang
>
>
>
>Since I'm in non-lurk mode, can anyone tell me who is making the creaking
>call in this recording (the ..MBSP.. file)? There are Pacific Tree Frogs
>(ribbit) in the foreground.
>This was recorded in a sag pond in an OSP (with permit, of course) on the
>north edge of Santa Clara County in the Santa Cruz Mountains (SF Bay Area).
>
>
><http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dgbrusco>http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/
>dgbrusco/sounds/
>
>
>The other frog recording was made while it was misting (and since it was
>around 9 p.m., there's a surprise in there). I know moisture affects the
>mic, but what does it do to the sound (make more noise?)?
>
>Debbi
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
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>
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