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Re: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation

It sounds like you want to use UDP, as your protocol is structure/datagram oriented, and your sending packets of data around.  TCP doesn't really work that well for this type of application, as it's stream oriented.  You could use a unique termination string at the end of your packet to indicate EOT for your data.  Your recv()'r can listen for this and assemble what it's received into your data structure.  If you really need to control segmentation, you would need to hack something into the TCP layer of the stack to control outgoing packet segmentation in the precise manner you need.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Rheault, Denis <DRheault@...> wrote:

 
#1 already do this.
 
I thought there was a flag I could set in the TCP to stop this..
 
NULL could still create fragmentation, I will go with you last opinion. Specially that there is no way for me of controlling the performance of the end  PC..
 
Thanks
 
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From: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netburner_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris ruff
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:41 PM
To: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation

Denis:
 
1. have you tried the trick of
 
writeall(fd,buf,len)
 
?
 
Have you tried punching a bunch of NULLs out after your packet to force the NB stack to assemble and send a packet
 
Who is responsible for the Windows end?  On the windows apps I write I have always had to take this very problem into consideration. Basically, everybody needs to be able to handle packet fragmentation.  IMO it is essentially a marginal hack to force some host to squeak complete packets to make other host algorithms happy
 
Chris
 
 
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From: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netburner_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rheault, Denis
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:10 PM
To: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation

No, opposite.
 
The problem I have is that I sent fix length packet of 1224 bytes of payload. Sometime the receiving end TCP get's full and some fragmentation happen. since the receiving end (PC) is looking for a fix payload format in the ip frame it can't recognize the payload data. 
 
What I would like is a way to only send the same type of frame to the PC. For a unknown reason the Netburner can process faster then the PC. Other thing, I am not writing the PC application ..
 
Here is a TCP dump of what happen. 232 is the netburner. Goal is to keep all packet to 1224
 
 
Denis
 
-----Original Message-----
From: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netburner_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris ruff
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:30 PM
To: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation

Google "Nagle" algorithm
 
I am assuming that you want the host computer to send complete packets to the NB module
 
Chris
 
 
 
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From: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netburner_group@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rheault, Denis
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:20 PM
To: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation

Hi,

Is there a way I can disable fragmentation in the TCP stack ?

Denis Rheault
Sr. Maintenance Engineering Associate
Telesat
514-528-2207
514-527-6429 fax
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Hi, Is there a way I can disable fragmentation in the TCP stack ? Denis Rheault Sr. Maintenance Engineering Associate Telesat 514-528-2207 514-527-6429 fax ...
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Google "Nagle" algorithm I am assuming that you want the host computer to send complete packets to the NB module Chris ... From:...
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No, opposite. The problem I have is that I sent fix length packet of 1224 bytes of payload. Sometime the receiving end TCP get's full and some fragmentation...
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Denis: 1. have you tried the trick of writeall(fd,buf,len) ? Have you tried punching a bunch of NULLs out after your packet to force the NB stack to assemble...
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#1 already do this. I thought there was a flag I could set in the TCP to stop this.. NULL could still create fragmentation, I will go with you last opinion. ...
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It sounds like you want to use UDP, as your protocol is structure/datagram oriented, and your sending packets of data around. TCP doesn't really work that...
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Suggest you post this at : http://forum.embeddedethernet.com. The yahoo forum is pretty much defunct, although some of us still watch it out of nostalgia. ......
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Thanks ... From: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:netburner_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Taranowski Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 3:53 PM...
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The paylod already as a start header with frame lenght. So normaly the Recv should be able to re-assemble the data if the data rx in te packet is less then...
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Are you looping on the recv() call? You may not recv all of the pending data in a single recv, as you have seen. Usually you need to do something like the...
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Thom, I am not wokking on the client side. I do the netburner that send the info. My side work's ok :) But I'm trying to change my to to help the guy that does...
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