Thom,

I am not wokking on the client side. I do the netburner that send the info. My
side work's ok :) But I'm trying to change my to to help the guy that does the
client PC side.

From what I saw up to now is that is code should be changed to work with this
beavior

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To: netburner_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation



Are you looping on the recv() call? You may not recv all of the pending data in
a single recv, as you have seen. Usually you need to do something like the
following:

int expectedDataSizeInBytes= val_grabbed_from_start_header;
//recv until all expected data has been received.
while(expectedDataSizeInBytes > 0)
dataSizeInBytes -= recv(...);
}

It's not uncommon to require more than a single recv call to get what you want.


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Rheault, Denis <DRheault@...
<mailto:DRheault@...> > wrote:


The paylod already as a start header with frame lenght. So normaly the Recv
should be able to re-assemble the data if the data rx in te packet is less then
what the paylod says. Also I am stuck with the defived protocol since it's the
recv how made the requirement.

UDP would required a additionnal layer in my code to deal with packet loss but
this would take care of the segmentation problem.

Thanks
Denis

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Subject: Re: [netburner_group] TCP Fragmentation


It sounds like you want to use UDP, as your protocol is structure/datagram
oriented, and your sending packets of data around. TCP doesn't really work that
well for this type of application, as it's stream oriented. You could use a
unique termination string at the end of your packet to indicate EOT for your
data. Your recv()'r can listen for this and assemble what it's received into
your data structure. If you really need to control segmentation, you would need
to hack something into the TCP layer of the stack to control outgoing packet
segmentation in the precise manner you need.


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Rheault, Denis <DRheault@...
<mailto:DRheault%40telesat.com> <mailto:DRheault@...
<mailto:DRheault%40telesat.com> > > wrote:




#1 already do this.

I thought there was a flag I could set in the TCP to stop this..

NULL could still create fragmentation, I will go with you last opinion.
Specially that there is no way for me of controlling the performance of the end
PC..

Thanks



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Denis:

1. have you tried the trick of

writeall(fd,buf,len)

?

Have you tried punching a bunch of NULLs out after your packet to force the NB
stack to assemble and send a packet

Who is responsible for the Windows end? On the windows apps I write I have
always had to take this very problem into consideration. Basically, everybody
needs to be able to handle packet fragmentation. IMO it is essentially a
marginal hack to force some host to squeak complete packets to make other host
algorithms happy

Chris



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No, opposite.

The problem I have is that I sent fix length packet of 1224 bytes of payload.
Sometime the receiving end TCP get's full and some fragmentation happen. since
the receiving end (PC) is looking for a fix payload format in the ip frame it
can't recognize the payload data.

What I would like is a way to only send the same type of frame to the PC. For a
unknown reason the Netburner can process faster then the PC. Other thing, I am
not writing the PC application ..

Here is a TCP dump of what happen. 232 is the netburner. Goal is to keep all
packet to 1224



Denis


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Google "Nagle" algorithm

I am assuming that you want the host computer to send complete packets to the
NB module

Chris




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Hi,

Is there a way I can disable fragmentation in the TCP stack ?

Denis Rheault
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