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> On Feb 23, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Enric wrote:
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> --- In netvidtheory@yahoogroups.com, "Kath O'Donnell" <aliak77@...>
> wrote:
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>> On 2/23/06, Enric <enric@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Previously I raised a topic I didn't have any stake in,
> distinguishing
>>> Personal and Show vlogs. It didn't go anywhee probably because
>>> 1) the
>>> categorization may be irrelevant and 2) I had not point of view to
>>> express and develop on it.
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>>
>> sorry, I didn't get back to replying, has been crazy busy at work
> last few
>> weeks! perhaps it's similar for others returning to work after the
>> xmas
>> break where lists were more chatty.
>>
>>
>> For this topic I want to look at the salient or essential quality of
>>> video on a distributed network. The phrase "information wants to be
>>> free" I see as for video on the network wants to travel where
>>> ever it
>>> is allowed. Like a river, it will find any avenues that are open in
>>> it's path. That it is the distributed nature of the web that
>>> defines
>>> video. And that traveling everywhere it can is the essential
>>> element
>>> of net video whether it's a videoblog, video podcast or another form
>>> of distribution.
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>> yeah I'd agree with this. and video attached to emails or links to
> videos
>> on emails makes it spread even more. especially all those 'joke'
> lists at
>> work which send links to videos also. they're not strictly videoblog
> videos
>> I suppose, but video on the net nevertheless.
>
> Correct, they are video on the web. And this group is discussing net
> video. It fits here. :)
>
> It appears that video requires an audience. When motion pictures were
> invented by Edison, he saw it's natural usage as being viewed
> individually. So he introduced the peep show in 1894 where people
> could watch short films looking into a stand up device. The Lumiere
> brothers in France showed their short movies in the basement of a cafe
> which was an immediate success. People wanted to share each others
> experience of watching moving pictures.
>
> Now we're somewhat back to the peep show with many watching alone on
> mobile devices like the Zen and iPods and on a computer screens. But
> the nature of making and distributing a video still demands more than
> one person view it. Then comments form a virtual audience of
> discussion and reaction on the piece viewed. Comments and RSS,
> audience and video traveling where ever it can -- the qualities of net
> video.

The whole multi-user audience thing is quite interesting. Is it
however because we can't talk back to the creator... a natural
displacement of communication.... it doesn't seem to relate to books.
With books then may be more personal media... only viewable one-to-
one... but if they weren't would we have the same tendency to watch
together with others?

Most importantly this reminds me of the 'digital campfires" meme
which was a common term used to describe online media in the early
years. We share our naratives online through computers.... now people
call it "telepresensce"... it doesn't matter that people are not
physically presence... it might be preferable, but it turns out it's
not all that important.

So what if you took, as both an experiment and an art installation..
a bunch of Edison's early "peep show" thingamabobers (they must have
a better name)... and installed them in galleries or public places
all over the world with the same video playing at the same time...
perhaps for a day... but maybe as short as an hour, or a couple
hours... and then allowed them to read or perhaps listen to audio
comments about the video and give their own feedback via an attached
kiosk type interface... you could tie it to a web based interface...
perhaps something blogular so it already had a built in audience...
well scre that... while you're watching the video you're on video,
and anything you say can be seen and heard by others who might be
watching the video... Telepresence... doesn't quite work out though
does it. How can you watch the peep show while seeing others...
there's something there, but I botched the idea of it.

Anyway, I like the idea of having the output of my vlog being put
into peep show viewers in a public place, an art installation... so
that any time I updated my vlog the video would go on the pepe show
and people could press one button to play the video, another button
to hodl in and speak their mind... perhaps that's all the telepresnce
you need. Although... Perhaps after parsing through negative comment
and audible spam you could create a third set of buttons that allow
you to skip through comments collected from other kiosk stations...
just one button to play... and two other buttons to flip forward or
backward... YEAP... I think that'd work... still a little complex,
but it's got primitive telepresence. :)

Peace,

-Mike

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