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Having considered this further, I propose that we stick with a
single element ("name") and create distinct attributes for distinct
purposes. I suggest that we should use NMTOKENS only when we need
to specify two values from the same family of values.

Note: NMTOKENS is a technical term for cases where an attribute
accepts a space-separated list of values.


I see four purposes:


1. Part of name (attribute name "part")
---------------------------------------

Example values are: pt:given, pt:family, pt:full, pt:usual.

Default value: If @part is omitted, pt:usual is assumed.

Examples are:

<name>Pablo Picasso</name>
<name part="pt:given">Pablo</name>
<name part="pt:family">Picasso</name>
<name part="pt:full">Pablo Diego José Santiago Francisco de Paula
Juan Nepomuceno Crispín Crispiniano de los Remedios Cipriano de
la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz Picasso</name>

<name>George W. Bush</name>
<name part="pt:given">George</name>
<name part="pt:middle">Walker</name>
<name part="pt:family">Bush</name>
<name part="pt:full">George Walker Bush</name>


2. Social scope of name (attribute name "scope" or "role")
----------------------------------------------------------

Example values are: scp:original, scp:baptismal, scp: married,
scp:usual.

Default value: If @scope is omitted, scp:usual is assumed.

Examples are:

<name>Marilyn Monroe</name>
<name scope="scp:original">Norma Jeane Mortenson</name>
<name scope="scp:baptismal">Norma Jeane Baker</name>
<name scope="scp:married">Norma Jeane Dougherty</name>
<name scope="scp:work scp:usual">Marilyn Monroe</name>


3. Styling of name (attribute name "style" or "form")
-----------------------------------------------------

Example values are: st:formal, st:informal, st:sort.

There is no default value.

Examples are:

<name style="st:formal">Michael Wolf</name>
<name style="st:informal">Misha Wolf</name>
<name style="st:sort st:informal">Wolf, Misha</name>
<name style="st:sort st:formal">Wolf, Michael</name>

<name style="st:formal">Zinédine Zidane</name>
<name style="st:informal">Zizou</name>
<name style="st:sort st:formal">Zidane, Zinédine</name>
<name style="st:sort st:informal">Zizou</name>


4. Rendition of name (attribute name "rendition")
-------------------------------------------------

An example value is: rnd:pronounce.

An example is:

<name rendition="rnd:pronounce">Koizumi Jun'ichirō</name>


Misha


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Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:39 pm

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Misha Wolf
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Feb 21, 2006
1:40 pm

Misha, I appreciate the smartness of your analysis. I simply doubt that implementers will always easily grasp the subtlety. I like the distinction between...
Laurent Le Meur
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Feb 21, 2006
1:59 pm

... I'm not sure what the broader context of this discussion is, but if I can add my opinion, I agree with Mr. Helary. How this string is pronounced depends...
KUROSAKA Teruhiko
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Feb 21, 2006
4:47 pm

... Hi, note that a complementary xml:lang attribute is to be supported by the name element. The pronunciation would be inflected by this language indication....
Laurent Le Meur
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Feb 21, 2006
5:33 pm

[This mail forms part of a thread on how to represent people's names in NewsML 2. To join the newsml-2 list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newsml-2/ The...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 24, 2006
2:28 pm

... What does it mean to have multiple values in this attribute? Does name="pt:given pt:family" mean that the content is at the same time a given and a family...
John Cowan
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Feb 24, 2006
7:23 pm

... It must mean that it is both at the same time. But it seems as a strange example. If you wanted to distinguish the family and given name you should have ...
Johan Lindgren
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Feb 24, 2006
7:56 pm

... Indeed. Which suggests that @part should not be NMTOKENS but just NMTOKEN: only one allowed. ... And a Good Thing Too. -- De plichten van een docent zijn...
John Cowan
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Feb 24, 2006
9:47 pm

... The proposal is to use NMTOKENS for multiple values, eg: <name scope="scp:work scp:usual">Marilyn Monroe</name> or: <name scope="scp:birth scp:work...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 24, 2006
3:27 pm

... The assertions (like part="..." or scope="...") apply to the entire string. I don't know whether it would ever be useful to say: part="pt:given pt:family"...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 24, 2006
7:45 pm

... That makes sense. Misha To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender,...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 24, 2006
10:27 pm

... OK, I can live with two parameters: - part (NMTOKEN) - role (NMTOKENS), encompassing what I'm now calling scope, formality, and purpose. Examples: ...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 24, 2006
10:49 pm

... How would you represent initials? As a part (like a nickname) or role (scope I guess)? Laurent -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This e-mail,...
Laurent Le Meur
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Feb 25, 2006
4:06 pm

There are various cases, eg: - "JFK" is both a set of initials and a nickname. - "MJW" (my initials) is just a set of initials and is never used for...
Misha Wolf
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Feb 25, 2006
7:54 pm

Forwarding as Mark is not a member of the newsml-2 list. Misha ... From: Mark Davis [mailto:mark.davis@...] Sent: 27 February 2006 02:49 To: Debbie...
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Feb 27, 2006
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Forwarding as Martin is not a member of the newsml-2 list. Misha ... From: Martin Duerst [mailto:duerst@...] Sent: 27 February 2006 02:59 To:...
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