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#2445 From: "Jayson Lorenzen" <jayson.lorenzen@...>
Date: Mon Jun 4, 2007 6:47 pm
Subject: NewsML 1.2 XML Schema and namespace
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This post is partially in response to messages 2443 and 2444 partially
a request for input from the community. We have been working on an XML
Schema for NewsML 1.2, yet have an issue reported by early testers
regarding the use of an XML namespace. There was a lengthy
conversation regarding this issue at our meeting this past week in
Tokyo Japan, though it remains unresolved and any input or assistance
is welcome.

So first, in response to the two recent messages, yes the namespace,
should it be adopted would be:

http://iptc.org/std/NewsML/2003-10-10/

However there seems to be a compatibility issue when this is used, as
instances created with the namespace are technically not the same as
instances created without the namespace. The early testers of the XML
Schema found that if a database schema is generated using the XML
Schema with the namespace, instance documents created without the
namespace are not able to be insert into this database schema without
errors.

Several options for the release of this XML schema have been
discussed, including:

- release the schema without a namespace
- release the schema with a namespace
- release the schema with a namespace and provide an XSL Template to
add the namespace to instance documents

We are interested in hearing of your experiences and in receiving any
input you have regarding this issue.

Thank you

Jayson

#2444 From: "calvineps" <calvineps@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2007 10:31 pm
Subject: Re: NewsML xml namespace
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Is the following good to use?

xmlns="http://iptc.org/std/NewsML/2003-10-10/"

--- In newsml@yahoogroups.com, "calvineps" <calvineps@...> wrote:
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> what is the XML namespace for the NewsML.xsd? (NewsML 1.2)
>

#2443 From: "calvineps" <calvineps@...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2007 10:25 pm
Subject: NewsML xml namespace
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what is the XML namespace for the NewsML.xsd? (NewsML 1.2)

#2442 From: Tony Tam <tonytam@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: multiple page NewsML document
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Sean:

Thanks for the suggestion.  This suggestion works well.

Tony

> Tony - Please see below.
>
>> We have a provider who would like to send a newsml document
>> to be displayed as a multiple page document on the web with
>> pagination.
>>
>> Is there a recommended way to do this in NewsML?
>>
>> One suggestion is to put the entire article in a multiple
>> NewsComponents, one for the whole article, and a separate one
>> for each subpage.
>
> I think breaking up an article by forcing one story flow into
> different
> NewsComponents is overkill.  If you are using NITF for your
> NewsComponent's text data/content, use NITF <block> elements for your
> paginated pieces of a story inside the "flow" of a single text
> NewsComponent, and use NewsML NewsComponent elements for sidebars,
> pull-out quotes, etc (related to but not part of the copy-flow of the
> story).
>
> Anyway, this is how I would do this.  It may even be possible to have
> your editorial tools influence where these blocks are broken up
> (similar
> to managing jumps in print).
>
> Sean
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#2441 From: <sean.upton@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: multiple page NewsML document
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Tony - Please see below.

> We have a provider who would like to send a newsml document
> to be displayed as a multiple page document on the web with
> pagination.
>
> Is there a recommended way to do this in NewsML?
>
> One suggestion is to put the entire article in a multiple
> NewsComponents, one for the whole article, and a separate one
> for each subpage.

I think breaking up an article by forcing one story flow into different
NewsComponents is overkill.  If you are using NITF for your
NewsComponent's text data/content, use NITF <block> elements for your
paginated pieces of a story inside the "flow" of a single text
NewsComponent, and use NewsML NewsComponent elements for sidebars,
pull-out quotes, etc (related to but not part of the copy-flow of the
story).

Anyway, this is how I would do this.  It may even be possible to have
your editorial tools influence where these blocks are broken up (similar
to managing jumps in print).

Sean

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#2440 From: "Tony Tam" <tonytam@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:46 pm
Subject: multiple page NewsML document
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We have a provider who would like to send a newsml document to be
displayed as a multiple page document on the web with pagination.

Is there a recommended way to do this in NewsML?

One suggestion is to put the entire article in a multiple
NewsComponents, one for the whole article, and a separate one for each
subpage.

#2439 From: "Takahiro Fujiwara" <fujiwat@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:43 pm
Subject: RE: NewsManagement element model limitations - questions...
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Hi Sean, Laurent,

UsageRights subtreee can be used for corss-media permission.  FYI,
although there is no controlled vocabulary,  UsageRights subtree is not
a perfect for automatic processing everywhere.

If you want to do with Status element for it, create a new NewsItem with
NewsComponent which has NewsItemRef elements.  The referred NewsItem has
a real content.  In case of cross-media, I think the contents will be
not the same one - e.g. short text and small picture for PDA, middle
length text and picture for Web, long text and large picture for paper.
So NewsItemRef is a reasonable resolution, I think.

As Sean said, you can use Property element for any purpose, including
geographic data.  In this case, you have to inform the use of Property
element to your receiver.

Regards,
NewsML1 vice chair
Takahiro Fujiwara


-----Original Message-----
From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Laurent LE MEUR
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:31 PM
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] NewsManagement element model limitations -
questions...

Hi Sean,

Re 1. NewsItemType is a basic indication of the type of Item: values are
News, Data, Advisory, Alert ... NewsItemType is completed by a multiple
Genre element which indicates the editorial nature or form (or flavor)
of the content. A "film review" is a genre.

Re information mashups (e.g. an article about a place + geographic
data), NewsML1.x is not oriented this way: this is one of the main
NewsML-G2 new feature. Join http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newsml-g2
if you are interested.

Re the question "can multiple Property elements use the same FormalName
attribute (since FormalName is a string in schema, not an IDREF)"?
The answer is yes: it makes a provider defined property repeatable.

Re status repeatable, you're the first raising this idea I think. It is
neither covered by NewsML1.x not currently by NewsML-G2. Be careful:
this Status is useful for the exchange of news in a B2B environment, not
for an internal workflow (it seems that your use case is linked to
internal workflows).

Cheers
Laurent Le Meur
AFP



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> De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part
de
> sean.upton@...
> Envoyé : jeudi 22 mars 2007 20:51
> À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [newsml] NewsManagement element model limitations -
questions...
>
> Hi NewsML folks. I'm working on a NewsML content serialization/export
> system for an online CMS, and have noticed two model limitations in
the
> NewsML 1.2 NewsManagement element that I'm interested in getting input
> on (for workarounds or best practices):
>
> 1. NewsItemType is singular.  This only expresses an "is a"
relationship
> for an item.  Some content models need "as a" relationships to
> supplement this.  Specifications like JSR-170 (Java Content
Repository)
> call these "mixins" - my Python/Zope based CMS calls them "flavors."
An
> item might be a "story" type, but be "film review" or "press release"
as
> a flavor.  Items may have more than one "flavor" - for example, we
have
> instances of articles that are both "restaurant profile" and "bar
> profile" - where we are reviewing an establishment that is both a bar
> and a restaurant.  For cross-media journalism, many problems cease to
> look as simple as "articles" alone: a "story" might also be an event
> profile with fielded calendar data, or information about a place with
> geographic data for map mashups.  I'm assuming I can use Property
> elements to represent this (in NewsManagement or in in
> DescriptiveMetadata for a NewsComponent), but can multiple Property
> elements use the same FormalName attribute (since FormalName is a
string
> in schema, not an IDREF)?
>
> 2. Status is singular.  A cross-media workflow might have per-product
or
> per-activity status.  An item in production for print might have
> different status in print ("story is published, plated") than online
> ("story is waiting for online people to create a flash applet around
the
> packaged graphic originally produced for print") - if one had a need
to
> represent multiple state names for different processes using the same
> content item in a single NewsML file, how would one do this?  The only
> way I can think of doing this is multiple NewsItem elements (one per
> process/activity/product in a workflow) with references back to
> NewsComponent elements containing actual content in a single canonical
> NewsItem within in the file, but this seems really messy (is there a
> better way?).
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
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#2438 From: "Laurent LE MEUR" <laurent.lemeur@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:31 pm
Subject: RE: NewsManagement element model limitations - questions...
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Hi Sean,

Re 1. NewsItemType is a basic indication of the type of Item: values are News,
Data, Advisory, Alert ... NewsItemType is completed by a multiple Genre element
which indicates the editorial nature or form (or flavor) of the content. A "film
review" is a genre.

Re information mashups (e.g. an article about a place + geographic data),
NewsML1.x is not oriented this way: this is one of the main NewsML-G2 new
feature. Join http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newsml-g2 if you are
interested.

Re the question "can multiple Property elements use the same FormalName
attribute (since FormalName is a string in schema, not an IDREF)"?
The answer is yes: it makes a provider defined property repeatable.

Re status repeatable, you're the first raising this idea I think. It is neither
covered by NewsML1.x not currently by NewsML-G2. Be careful: this Status is
useful for the exchange of news in a B2B environment, not for an internal
workflow (it seems that your use case is linked to internal workflows).

Cheers
Laurent Le Meur
AFP



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> De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de
> sean.upton@...
> Envoyé : jeudi 22 mars 2007 20:51
> À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [newsml] NewsManagement element model limitations - questions...
>
> Hi NewsML folks. I'm working on a NewsML content serialization/export
> system for an online CMS, and have noticed two model limitations in the
> NewsML 1.2 NewsManagement element that I'm interested in getting input
> on (for workarounds or best practices):
>
> 1. NewsItemType is singular.  This only expresses an "is a" relationship
> for an item.  Some content models need "as a" relationships to
> supplement this.  Specifications like JSR-170 (Java Content Repository)
> call these "mixins" - my Python/Zope based CMS calls them "flavors."  An
> item might be a "story" type, but be "film review" or "press release" as
> a flavor.  Items may have more than one "flavor" - for example, we have
> instances of articles that are both "restaurant profile" and "bar
> profile" - where we are reviewing an establishment that is both a bar
> and a restaurant.  For cross-media journalism, many problems cease to
> look as simple as "articles" alone: a "story" might also be an event
> profile with fielded calendar data, or information about a place with
> geographic data for map mashups.  I'm assuming I can use Property
> elements to represent this (in NewsManagement or in in
> DescriptiveMetadata for a NewsComponent), but can multiple Property
> elements use the same FormalName attribute (since FormalName is a string
> in schema, not an IDREF)?
>
> 2. Status is singular.  A cross-media workflow might have per-product or
> per-activity status.  An item in production for print might have
> different status in print ("story is published, plated") than online
> ("story is waiting for online people to create a flash applet around the
> packaged graphic originally produced for print") - if one had a need to
> represent multiple state names for different processes using the same
> content item in a single NewsML file, how would one do this?  The only
> way I can think of doing this is multiple NewsItem elements (one per
> process/activity/product in a workflow) with references back to
> NewsComponent elements containing actual content in a single canonical
> NewsItem within in the file, but this seems really messy (is there a
> better way?).
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
>
> +----------------------------------------------------------+
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>  Site Technology Supervisor     The San Diego Union-Tribune
>  619.718.5241                 sean.upton@...
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> +----------------------------------------------------------+
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>
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#2437 From: <sean.upton@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:51 pm
Subject: NewsManagement element model limitations - questions...
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Hi NewsML folks. I'm working on a NewsML content serialization/export
system for an online CMS, and have noticed two model limitations in the
NewsML 1.2 NewsManagement element that I'm interested in getting input
on (for workarounds or best practices):

1. NewsItemType is singular.  This only expresses an "is a" relationship
for an item.  Some content models need "as a" relationships to
supplement this.  Specifications like JSR-170 (Java Content Repository)
call these "mixins" - my Python/Zope based CMS calls them "flavors."  An
item might be a "story" type, but be "film review" or "press release" as
a flavor.  Items may have more than one "flavor" - for example, we have
instances of articles that are both "restaurant profile" and "bar
profile" - where we are reviewing an establishment that is both a bar
and a restaurant.  For cross-media journalism, many problems cease to
look as simple as "articles" alone: a "story" might also be an event
profile with fielded calendar data, or information about a place with
geographic data for map mashups.  I'm assuming I can use Property
elements to represent this (in NewsManagement or in in
DescriptiveMetadata for a NewsComponent), but can multiple Property
elements use the same FormalName attribute (since FormalName is a string
in schema, not an IDREF)?

2. Status is singular.  A cross-media workflow might have per-product or
per-activity status.  An item in production for print might have
different status in print ("story is published, plated") than online
("story is waiting for online people to create a flash applet around the
packaged graphic originally produced for print") - if one had a need to
represent multiple state names for different processes using the same
content item in a single NewsML file, how would one do this?  The only
way I can think of doing this is multiple NewsItem elements (one per
process/activity/product in a workflow) with references back to
NewsComponent elements containing actual content in a single canonical
NewsItem within in the file, but this seems really messy (is there a
better way?).

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Sean

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#2436 From: "Michael Steidl (IPTC)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:07 am
Subject: Re: ProviderId
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Jumping some replies to this initial posting I want to remind:

- "foo.example.org" is of course a domain. Remember the layered structure
of the DNS. "org" is a "top level domain", "example.org" is a second level
domain and the example above is simply a subdomain of "example.org" ...
and so on.

- By a formal approach using "foo.example.org" for a RFC 3085 URN does not
violate the RFC as long as information about the "owner" of a domain is
available.

- The bad thing with DNS is that there is not any specification for
providing this kind of administrative information. All the Whois
information is managed by a system of rules beyond the technical DNS
specs. So DNS would work for any domain on a technical level even without
a single entry about the ownership. Hence we have to think about rules
dealing with this administrative information - and we have to be aware
that many European NICs disclose less and less information about the owner
of a domain for privacy reasons.

A rule I can think about is based on the requirement that at least for the
second level domains a "whois" information is mandatory. If no such
information is provided for a subdomain of a second-level domain the
administrative information for the second-level domain applies.

Michael

On 8 Feb 2007 at 21:04  Misha Wolf wrote:

>
> RFC 3085 states that the ProviderId must be a domain name. I recall that
> some providers have asked that ProviderIds which are not domain names be
> allowed, eg "foo.example.org". Was a decision ever reached on this?
>
> Thanks,
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#2435 From: "Takahiro Fujiwara" <fujiwat@...>
Date: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: ProviderId
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Hello

I remember that issue.  I requested to allow sub domain name in the ProviderId.  I tried to find emails in the yahoogroup but I could not find it.  Maybe not completed.

Please give us any comments.

 

Thanks,

Takahiro

 

 

From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Misha Wolf
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:52 AM
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] ProviderId

 

Thanks.  I recall that some IPTC Members requested that if "example.org" is a domain name, the organisation owning that domain name should be able to allocate ProviderId values such as "green.example.org" and "blue.example.org" to parts of itself, to avoid clashes between URNs.  What happened to that proposal?

 

Thanks,

Misha

 

 


From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurent LE MEUR
Sent: 09 February 2007 17:43
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] ProviderId

From the « NewsML Guidelines » :

 

5.3.2.1 ProviderId

 

The use of an Internet domain name is strongly recommended. The organisation that provides the NewsIdentifier must own the Internet domain name that is used as ProviderId at any date that appears in the DateId (see below). This will ensure that the identity of the provider can be inferred unambiguously from the full NewsIdentifier.

Going deeper:

ProviderId may be different from an internet domain name, and may be drawn from a controlled vocabulary via the Vocabulary attribute; see the NewsML Functional Specifications for more information.


 

Laurent

AFP

 


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Envoyé : jeudi 8 février 2007 22:04
À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [newsml] ProviderId

 

RFC 3085 states that the ProviderId must be a domain name.  I recall that some providers have asked that ProviderIds which are not domain names be allowed, eg "foo.example.org".  Was a decision ever reached on this?

 

Thanks,

Misha






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#2434 From: Misha Wolf <misha.wolf@...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:52 pm
Subject: RE: ProviderId
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Thanks.  I recall that some IPTC Members requested that if "example.org" is a domain name, the organisation owning that domain name should be able to allocate ProviderId values such as "green.example.org" and "blue.example.org" to parts of itself, to avoid clashes between URNs.  What happened to that proposal?
 
Thanks,
Misha
 


From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurent LE MEUR
Sent: 09 February 2007 17:43
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] ProviderId

From the « NewsML Guidelines » :

 

5.3.2.1 ProviderId

 

The use of an Internet domain name is strongly recommended. The organisation that provides the NewsIdentifier must own the Internet domain name that is used as ProviderId at any date that appears in the DateId (see below). This will ensure that the identity of the provider can be inferred unambiguously from the full NewsIdentifier.

Going deeper:

ProviderId may be different from an internet domain name, and may be drawn from a controlled vocabulary via the Vocabulary attribute; see the NewsML Functional Specifications for more information.


 

Laurent

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Objet : [newsml] ProviderId

 

RFC 3085 states that the ProviderId must be a domain name.  I recall that some providers have asked that ProviderIds which are not domain names be allowed, eg "foo.example.org".  Was a decision ever reached on this?

 

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#2433 From: "Laurent LE MEUR" <laurent.lemeur@...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2007 5:43 pm
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From the « NewsML Guidelines » :

 

5.3.2.1 ProviderId

 

The use of an Internet domain name is strongly recommended. The organisation that provides the NewsIdentifier must own the Internet domain name that is used as ProviderId at any date that appears in the DateId (see below). This will ensure that the identity of the provider can be inferred unambiguously from the full NewsIdentifier.

Going deeper:

ProviderId may be different from an internet domain name, and may be drawn from a controlled vocabulary via the Vocabulary attribute; see the NewsML Functional Specifications for more information.


 

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Objet : [newsml] ProviderId

 

RFC 3085 states that the ProviderId must be a domain name.  I recall that some providers have asked that ProviderIds which are not domain names be allowed, eg "foo.example.org".  Was a decision ever reached on this?

 

Thanks,

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RFC 3085 states that the ProviderId must be a domain name.  I recall that some providers have asked that ProviderIds which are not domain names be allowed, eg "foo.example.org".  Was a decision ever reached on this?
 
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#2431 From: Elad Gov-Ari <elad_ga@...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2007 10:15 am
Subject: using the NewsML XSD Schema as the schema file for the event provider
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 hi
i've been trying to provide events upon the arrival of NewsML  XML files (Reuters).
i used the schema file downloaded from :  http://www.newsml.org/dl.php?fn=NewsML/1.2/specification/NewsML_1.2.xsd  as the schema file argument in the event provider element.
but i still have a few problems:
i now need to define the Event Class in the ADF so the fields matches the Schema...
it is near an impossible mission for me because the XSD file is VERY complexed...
if i use other fields in the event class' fields i get a
"Object reference not set to an instance of an object." exception when i try to submit the XMLs...
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#2430 From: Jeff Boulter <jboulter@...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Representing entities in NewsML 1.2
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Got it. I'll take my markup questions on the NITF group.

Thanks!

Jeff

On Jan 30, 2007, at 1:50 AM, Laurent Le Meur wrote:

Jeff,

NewsML is content agnostic. You can use either NITF or XHTML as text markup.
NITF has specific entity markup (person, org etc...) with the indication of a
schema and code in the scheme. With XHTML you must for now create a micro-format
with span, or as you say use elements from an external namespace.

Do you think that NewsML should standardize this matter?

In the NewsML1.x header you can group information about these entities via the
TopicOccurrence and Topic properties (see NewsML guidelines p.12).
Note: NewsML-G2 makes it easier to structure (see the News Architecture model
documents).

NewsML1.2 guidelines: http://www.newsml.org/pages/docu_main.php
News Architecture model and schemas: www.iptc.org, top of the page (download
available since 15/01/2007)

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Jeff
> Boulter
> Envoyé : lundi 29 janvier 2007 22:26
> À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [newsml] Representing entities in NewsML 1.2
>
> We want to be able to take our NewsML documents and mark up words and
> phrases in the text with a tag that identifies it as an external entity.
>
> Example:
>
> <p>The <entity id="8900980">Chicago Bears</entity> will play in the
> Super Bowl on Sunday.</p>
>
>
> Somewhere else in the NewsML document, we want to provide additional
> metadata about those entities, referenced by the id that each entity
> is tagged with.
>
> Is there an existing facility for representing this data in NewsML or
> should we just add a namespace and add our own markup on top of NewsML?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Find more on NewsML at http://www.newsml.org
>
> Any member of this IPTC moderated Yahoo group must comply with the
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> conditions of this IPTC IP Policy.
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#2429 From: "Laurent Le Meur" <laurent.lemeur@...>
Date: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:50 am
Subject: RE: Representing entities in NewsML 1.2
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Jeff,

NewsML is content agnostic. You can use either NITF or XHTML as text markup.
NITF has specific entity markup (person, org etc...) with the indication of a
schema and code in the scheme. With XHTML you must for now create a micro-format
with span, or as you say use elements from an external namespace.

Do you think that NewsML should standardize this matter?

In the NewsML1.x header you can group information about these entities via the
TopicOccurrence and Topic properties (see NewsML guidelines p.12).
Note: NewsML-G2 makes it easier to structure (see the News Architecture model
documents).

NewsML1.2 guidelines: http://www.newsml.org/pages/docu_main.php
News Architecture model and schemas: www.iptc.org, top of the page (download
available since 15/01/2007)

Laurent Le Meur
AFP

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> De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Jeff
> Boulter
> Envoyé : lundi 29 janvier 2007 22:26
> À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : [newsml] Representing entities in NewsML 1.2
>
> We want to be able to take our NewsML documents and mark up words and
> phrases in the text with a tag that identifies it as an external entity.
>
> Example:
>
> <p>The <entity id="8900980">Chicago Bears</entity> will play in the
> Super Bowl on Sunday.</p>
>
>
> Somewhere else in the NewsML document, we want to provide additional
> metadata about those entities, referenced by the id that each entity
> is tagged with.
>
> Is there an existing facility for representing this data in NewsML or
> should we just add a namespace and add our own markup on top of NewsML?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> Find more on NewsML at http://www.newsml.org
>
> Any member of this IPTC moderated Yahoo group must comply with the
> Intellectual Property Policy of the IPTC, available at
> http://www.iptc.org/goto/ipp. Any posting is assumed to be submitted under the
> conditions of this IPTC IP Policy.
>
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>
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#2428 From: "Jeff Boulter" <jboulter@...>
Date: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:25 pm
Subject: Representing entities in NewsML 1.2
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We want to be able to take our NewsML documents and mark up words and
phrases in the text with a tag that identifies it as an external entity.

Example:

<p>The <entity id="8900980">Chicago Bears</entity> will play in the
Super Bowl on Sunday.</p>


Somewhere else in the NewsML document, we want to provide additional
metadata about those entities, referenced by the id that each entity
is tagged with.

Is there an existing facility for representing this data in NewsML or
should we just add a namespace and add our own markup on top of NewsML?

Thanks,

Jeff

#2427 From: Dave Compton <Dave.Compton@...>
Date: Fri Jan 5, 2007 10:04 am
Subject: RE: NewsML 1.x MIME type
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Hi
 
Reuters is using text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML for production NewsML1.x

 

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From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurent Le Meur
Sent: 04 January 2007 13:11
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] NewsML 1.x MIME type

Yes the IPTC has reserved:

text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

(and text/vnd.IPTC.NITF)

Note:

It was proposed by Reuters in 2003 to change them for: application/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml and application/vnd.IPTC.NITF+xml

But the complexity of IANA registration made us stop there.

-----


From M.Wolf, 09/2003: >

> 4  Change the NewsML MIME type to {something}/NewsML+xml

> ========================================================

>

> [Most of the following text was written by Rob Warner, a Reuters

> Technical Director.  I've taken some liberties with Rob's text.]

>

> The IPTC has registered the MIME types:

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NITF

>

> These have all the disadvantages of not being identified as XML, as

> listed in §7 of RFC 2032 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt.

>

> We propose the registration of one of:

>    text/NewsML+xml

>    application/NewsML+xml

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml

> followed by official deprecation of the old registered type NewsML

> MIME type.

>

> The same approach should be taken to the NITF MIME type.

>

> There follows an extract from a mail Rob sent to the

> newsml@yahoogroups.com list.

>

> <extract>

>

> In the case of NewsML, the fact that it's based on XML means the content

> has a well-defined structure which, in an of itself, has utility,

> separate from the actual meaning of the data.

>

> This fact allows one to use powerful technologies such as XPointer &

> XLink to refer to elements within arbitrary XML documents, without

> having to understand the actual grammar in use.  It also allows search

> engines to do much more flexible things with the data than if it were

> treated as either an opaque chunk of binary, or just plain text.

>

> Of course it's true that the type can be determined by inspection, but

> in an HTTP context that would require retrieving the whole document, and

> we all know that NewsML is not a terse grammar, so that would be an

> expensive operation.

>

> If we have a suitably expressive MIME type, full body retrieval wouldn't

> be necessary - the headers can be retrieved separately, potentially

> saving a huge amount of extra bandwidth & processing.

>

> Basically, if we don't have a MIME type ending in +xml we're effectively

> saying that XPointer, XLink & any other technology that exploits the

> fact that a document is XML cannot be used efficiently on NewsML,

> especially over slow links.  That may limit the adoption of NewsML in

> certain circumstances (some developing countries for instance).  Read §7

> of http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt for more good reasons we should

> seriously consider assigning a new type.

>

> Quite apart from the technical arguments, there's the "everyone else is

> doing it" factor - a quick search picked up the following types that are

> already assigned:

>

> application/beep+xml

> application/cnrp+xml

> application/cpl+xml

> application/reginfo+xml

> application/vnd.criticaltools.wbs+xml

> application/vnd.irepository.package+xml

> application/vnd.liberty-request+xml

> application/vnd.llamagraphics.life-balance.exchange+xml

> application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml

> application/vnd.pwg-xhtml-print+xml

> application/watcherinfo+xml

> application/xhtml+xml

>

> Some other, as-yet unregistered ones include image/svg+xml,

> application/sbml+xml, application/xenc+xml and application/mathml+xml.

>

> Clearly all these groups see value in identifying their content

> additionally as XML, not just some opaque datatype that can only be

> understood by special tools.  I feel strongly that it makes sense for

> NewsML to follow suit.

>

> </extract>

>

> Tony Coates responded on the newsml@yahoogroups.com list, supporting

> the use of:

>    application/newsml+xml

>

> 


De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Darko Gulija
Envoyé : jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:41
À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [newsml] NewsML 1.x MIME type

Did we ever define a MIME type for NewsML 1.x ?

On the web I've found only

http://kb.mediatemple.net/article.php?id=151

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#2426 From: Darko Gulija <darko.gulija@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 11:45 am
Subject: NewsML 1.x MIME type (CORRECTED)
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Sorry, I've sent unfinished message by mistake  :-<

Did we ever define a MIME type for NewsML 1.x ?

On the web I've found only

text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

This is mentioned on few various places (e.g.
http://kb.mediatemple.net/article.php?id=151 )

Should I use these or we have a better one (at least application/something)
?

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#2425 From: John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: NewsML 1.x MIME type
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Darko Gulija scripsit:

> I suggest that we push forward Reuters proposal (of course, in
> accordance with our limited resources), since Atom is probably not
> the only one that assumes things like that (at least for NAR based
> standards).

Go for it.  The whole point of the "vnd.IPTC" tree is that you are
supposed to be able to control it yourselves.

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#2424 From: Darko Gulija <darko.gulija@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 2:48 pm
Subject: RE: NewsML 1.x MIME type
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That's quite bad, because Atom in processing rules says:
 

Atom Documents MUST conform to the following rules. Atom Processors MUST interpret atom:content according to the first applicable rule.

  1. If the value of "type" is "text", the content of atom:content MUST NOT contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presented to humans in a readable fashion. Thus, Atom Processors MAY collapse white space (including line breaks), and display the text using typographic techniques such as justification and proportional fonts.
  2. If the value of "type" is "html", the content of atom:content MUST NOT contain child elements and SHOULD be suitable for handling as HTML [HTML]. The HTML markup MUST be escaped; for example, "<br>" as "&lt;br>". The HTML markup SHOULD be such that it could validly appear directly within an HTML <DIV> element. Atom Processors that display the content MAY use the markup to aid in displaying it.
  3. If the value of "type" is "xhtml", the content of atom:content MUST be a single XHTML div element [XHTML] and SHOULD be suitable for handling as XHTML. The XHTML div element itself MUST NOT be considered part of the content. Atom Processors that display the content MAY use the markup to aid in displaying it. The escaped versions of characters such as "&" and ">" represent those characters, not markup.
  4. If the value of "type" is an XML media type [RFC3023] or ends with "+xml" or "/xml" (case insensitive), the content of
    atom:content MAY include child elements and SHOULD be suitable for handling as the indicated media type. If the "src" attribute is not provided, this would normally mean that the "atom:content" element would contain a single child element that would serve as the root element of the XML document of the indicated type.
  5. If the value of "type" begins with "text/" (case insensitive), the content of atom:content MUST NOT contain child elements.
 
Reading this, NewsML document could not be carried as an atom:entry, but only as standalone xml document linked from atom feed.
 
I suggest that we push forward Reuters proposal (of course, in accordance with our limited resources), since Atom is probably not the only one that assumes things like that (at least for NAR based standards).

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From: newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurent Le Meur
Sent: 4. sijeÄanj 2007 14:11
To: newsml@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newsml] NewsML 1.x MIME type

Yes the IPTC has reserved:

 

text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

 

(and text/vnd.IPTC.NITF)

 

Note:

It was proposed by Reuters in 2003 to change them for: application/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml and application/vnd.IPTC.NITF+xml

 

But the complexity of IANA registration made us stop there.

 

-----


From M.Wolf, 09/2003: >

 

> 4  Change the NewsML MIME type to {something}/NewsML+xml

> ========================================================

>

> [Most of the following text was written by Rob Warner, a Reuters

> Technical Director.  I've taken some liberties with Rob's text.]

>

> The IPTC has registered the MIME types:

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NITF

>

> These have all the disadvantages of not being identified as XML, as

> listed in §7 of RFC 2032 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt.

>

> We propose the registration of one of:

>    text/NewsML+xml

>    application/NewsML+xml

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml

> followed by official deprecation of the old registered type NewsML

> MIME type.

>

> The same approach should be taken to the NITF MIME type.

>

> There follows an extract from a mail Rob sent to the

> newsml@yahoogroups.com list.

>

> <extract>

>

> In the case of NewsML, the fact that it's based on XML means the content

> has a well-defined structure which, in an of itself, has utility,

> separate from the actual meaning of the data.

>

> This fact allows one to use powerful technologies such as XPointer &

> XLink to refer to elements within arbitrary XML documents, without

> having to understand the actual grammar in use.  It also allows search

> engines to do much more flexible things with the data than if it were

> treated as either an opaque chunk of binary, or just plain text.

>

> Of course it's true that the type can be determined by inspection, but

> in an HTTP context that would require retrieving the whole document, and

> we all know that NewsML is not a terse grammar, so that would be an

> expensive operation.

>

> If we have a suitably expressive MIME type, full body retrieval wouldn't

> be necessary - the headers can be retrieved separately, potentially

> saving a huge amount of extra bandwidth & processing.

>

> Basically, if we don't have a MIME type ending in +xml we're effectively

> saying that XPointer, XLink & any other technology that exploits the

> fact that a document is XML cannot be used efficiently on NewsML,

> especially over slow links.  That may limit the adoption of NewsML in

> certain circumstances (some developing countries for instance).  Read §7

> of http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt for more good reasons we should

> seriously consider assigning a new type.

>

> Quite apart from the technical arguments, there's the "everyone else is

> doing it" factor - a quick search picked up the following types that are

> already assigned:

>

> application/beep+xml

> application/cnrp+xml

> application/cpl+xml

> application/reginfo+xml

> application/vnd.criticaltools.wbs+xml

> application/vnd.irepository.package+xml

> application/vnd.liberty-request+xml

> application/vnd.llamagraphics.life-balance.exchange+xml

> application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml

> application/vnd.pwg-xhtml-print+xml

> application/watcherinfo+xml

> application/xhtml+xml

>

> Some other, as-yet unregistered ones include image/svg+xml,

> application/sbml+xml, application/xenc+xml and application/mathml+xml.

>

> Clearly all these groups see value in identifying their content

> additionally as XML, not just some opaque datatype that can only be

> understood by special tools.  I feel strongly that it makes sense for

> NewsML to follow suit.

>

> </extract>

>

> Tony Coates responded on the newsml@yahoogroups.com list, supporting

> the use of:

>    application/newsml+xml

>

> 

 

 

 


De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Darko Gulija
Envoyé : jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:41
À : newsml@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [newsml] NewsML 1.x MIME type

 

Did we ever define a MIME type for NewsML 1.x ?

 

On the web I've found only

 

 

http://kb.mediatemple.net/article.php?id=151

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#2423 From: "Laurent Le Meur" <laurent.lemeur@...>
Date: Thu Jan 4, 2007 1:10 pm
Subject: RE: NewsML 1.x MIME type
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Yes the IPTC has reserved:

 

text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

 

(and text/vnd.IPTC.NITF)

 

Note:

It was proposed by Reuters in 2003 to change them for: application/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml and application/vnd.IPTC.NITF+xml

 

But the complexity of IANA registration made us stop there.

 

-----


From M.Wolf, 09/2003: >

 

> 4  Change the NewsML MIME type to {something}/NewsML+xml

> ========================================================

>

> [Most of the following text was written by Rob Warner, a Reuters

> Technical Director.  I've taken some liberties with Rob's text.]

>

> The IPTC has registered the MIME types:

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NITF

>

> These have all the disadvantages of not being identified as XML, as

> listed in §7 of RFC 2032 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt.

>

> We propose the registration of one of:

>    text/NewsML+xml

>    application/NewsML+xml

>    text/vnd.IPTC.NewsML+xml

> followed by official deprecation of the old registered type NewsML

> MIME type.

>

> The same approach should be taken to the NITF MIME type.

>

> There follows an extract from a mail Rob sent to the

> newsml@yahoogroups.com list.

>

> <extract>

>

> In the case of NewsML, the fact that it's based on XML means the content

> has a well-defined structure which, in an of itself, has utility,

> separate from the actual meaning of the data.

>

> This fact allows one to use powerful technologies such as XPointer &

> XLink to refer to elements within arbitrary XML documents, without

> having to understand the actual grammar in use.  It also allows search

> engines to do much more flexible things with the data than if it were

> treated as either an opaque chunk of binary, or just plain text.

>

> Of course it's true that the type can be determined by inspection, but

> in an HTTP context that would require retrieving the whole document, and

> we all know that NewsML is not a terse grammar, so that would be an

> expensive operation.

>

> If we have a suitably expressive MIME type, full body retrieval wouldn't

> be necessary - the headers can be retrieved separately, potentially

> saving a huge amount of extra bandwidth & processing.

>

> Basically, if we don't have a MIME type ending in +xml we're effectively

> saying that XPointer, XLink & any other technology that exploits the

> fact that a document is XML cannot be used efficiently on NewsML,

> especially over slow links.  That may limit the adoption of NewsML in

> certain circumstances (some developing countries for instance).  Read §7

> of http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3023.txt for more good reasons we should

> seriously consider assigning a new type.

>

> Quite apart from the technical arguments, there's the "everyone else is

> doing it" factor - a quick search picked up the following types that are

> already assigned:

>

> application/beep+xml

> application/cnrp+xml

> application/cpl+xml

> application/reginfo+xml

> application/vnd.criticaltools.wbs+xml

> application/vnd.irepository.package+xml

> application/vnd.liberty-request+xml

> application/vnd.llamagraphics.life-balance.exchange+xml

> application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml

> application/vnd.pwg-xhtml-print+xml

> application/watcherinfo+xml

> application/xhtml+xml

>

> Some other, as-yet unregistered ones include image/svg+xml,

> application/sbml+xml, application/xenc+xml and application/mathml+xml.

>

> Clearly all these groups see value in identifying their content

> additionally as XML, not just some opaque datatype that can only be

> understood by special tools.  I feel strongly that it makes sense for

> NewsML to follow suit.

>

> </extract>

>

> Tony Coates responded on the newsml@yahoogroups.com list, supporting

> the use of:

>    application/newsml+xml

>

> 

 

 

 


De : newsml@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newsml@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Darko Gulija
Envoyé : jeudi 4 janvier 2007 12:41
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Objet : [newsml] NewsML 1.x MIME type

 

Did we ever define a MIME type for NewsML 1.x ?

 

On the web I've found only

 

 

http://kb.mediatemple.net/article.php?id=151

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Hello,

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#2418 From: "Michael Steidl (IPTC)" <mdirector@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:36 pm
Subject: NewsML 1.0/1.1 validation issues with XMLspy 2006
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The NewsML 1 Maintenance Group of the IPTC got aware of an issue while
opening and validating NewsML 1.0 or 1.1 instances with Altova's XMLspy
2006:

** When you open and validate a NewsML 1.0/1.1 instance with a DOCTYPE
identifier "urn:newsml:iptc.org:20001006:NewsMLv1.0:1" or
"urn:newsml:iptc.org:20021018:NewsMLv1.1:1" all versions of XMLspy version
2006 throw an error saying the DTD file could not be found. This applies
even to NewsML 1.0/1.1 instances with an explicit path set to the DTD
file.

** Reason for the problem:
- XMLspy supports OASIS catalogs - search the XMLspy help for "Catalog"

- the data for this catalog is provided by the file  MainCatalog.xml in
the application directory of XMLspy 2006

- the catalog file delivered with XMLspy 2006 contains an error, at line ~
140 it reads:

<!-- XML Catalog data for NewsML V1.0 and 1.1 -->
	 <public publicId="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20021018:NewsMLv1.1.dtd:1"
uri="schemas/NewsML/NewsMLv1.1.dtd"/>
	 <public publicId="urn:newsml:iptc.org:20001006:NewsMLv1.0.dtd:1"
uri="schemas/NewsML/NewsMLv1.0.dtd"/>
<!-- End of XML Catalog data for NewsML V1.0 and 1.1-->

... but the .\Schemas\NewsML directory under the application directory
holds only the NewsML 1.2 DTD and no DTD for v 1.0 or v 1.1.

** Workaround:

- option 1: add the NewsML 1.0/1.1 DTD - provided as attachment to this
message - to the  .\Schemas\NewsML directory. (Also available from the
Files section of the NewsML Yahoo group.)

- option 2: comment out or delete both NewsML entries of the
MainCatalog.xml file.

** Note on XMLSpy 2007

Last week Altova rolled out its latest XMLspy version 2007. The
MainCatalog.xml file has a reference to version 1.2 of NewsML only now and
the corresponding DTD is present the .\Schemas\NewsML directory.

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