http://www.sagadb.org/

Not sure if there's anything here that isn't available elsewhere, but
still nice to see at a glance what versions are online.

If anyone wants a bit of listening practice, Ríkisútvarpiđ (The
Icelandic National Broadcasting Service) recently broadcast a
retelling of the story of Tristan and Iseult.  It's still possible to
listen to some of the episodes online:

http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-21
http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-22
http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-23

etc.

There were eight episodes altogether.  You can still hear them all
from 2 onwards, but they'll be disappearing day by day, so tomorrow
the earliest you be able to get will be episode 3, and so on.

This isn't the Old Norse version, but a Modern Icelandic translation
of Joseph Bédier's [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_B%C3%A9dier ]
retelling.  Bédier based his work on the earliest French sources for
the story, but also made use of other sources, including the Old Norse
ones.

Because of the subject matter, most of the vocabulary would be right
at home in the medieval sagas, although a few common idioms will be
mysterious for people who haven't encountered the modern language.

LN

> There were eight episodes altogether.

Strike that: twelve episodes, concluding tomorrow.

Also of interest, as most of you know, is this, the
TRISTRANSKVĆĐI

30 ( 0r 31) verses translated by the Norwegian "Brother Robert" from a
French source.

It can be found at:

http://www.snerpa.is/net/kvaedi/trist-kv.htm

Lavrans



--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...> wrote:
>
>
> If anyone wants a bit of listening practice, Ríkisútvarpiđ (The
> Icelandic National Broadcasting Service) recently broadcast a
> retelling of the story of Tristan and Iseult.  It's still possible to
> listen to some of the episodes online:
>
> http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-21
> http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-22
> http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-08-23
>
> etc.
>
> There were eight episodes altogether.  You can still hear them all
> from 2 onwards, but they'll be disappearing day by day, so tomorrow
> the earliest you be able to get will be episode 3, and so on.
>
> This isn't the Old Norse version, but a Modern Icelandic translation
> of Joseph Bédier's [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_B%C3%A9dier ]
> retelling.  Bédier based his work on the earliest French sources for
> the story, but also made use of other sources, including the Old Norse
> ones.
>
> Because of the subject matter, most of the vocabulary would be right
> at home in the medieval sagas, although a few common idioms will be
> mysterious for people who haven't encountered the modern language.
>
> LN
>

just ask any question you have.


my one question: i am not English, but i am danish and i wounder if
that is an advantaged or not. danish is after all are Nordic language.

danish: jeg er ikke engelsk, men dansk og jeg undre mig over om det er
en fordel eller ikke. dansk er jo et Nordisk sprog.

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "L.M." <lavrans@...> wrote:
>
> Also of interest, as most of you know, is this, the
> TRISTRANSKVĆĐI
>
> 30 ( 0r 31) verses translated by the Norwegian "Brother Robert" from a
> French source.
>
> It can be found at:
>
> http://www.snerpa.is/net/kvaedi/trist-kv.htm
>
> Lavrans


Isn't it rather the prose version that Brother Robert was responsible?

http://sagnanet.is/saganet/?MIval=/SinglePage&Manuscript=100241&Page=14&language\
=icelandic

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "nbs1883" <nbs1883@...> wrote:
>
> just ask any question you have.
>
>
> my one question: i am not English, but i am danish and i wounder if
> that is an advantaged or not. danish is after all are Nordic language.
>
> danish: jeg er ikke engelsk, men dansk og jeg undre mig over om det er
> en fordel eller ikke. dansk er jo et Nordisk sprog.

Yes, I'm sure it would be a great help in learning Old Norse.
Although Danish has lost a lot of the morphology of the older
language, and gained lots of loan-words from German since medieval
times, most of the basic vocabulary still goes back to Old (East)
Norse.  You'll also be familiar with features such as the suffixed
definite article, which can seem odd to English learners.  Good luck
with your studies!

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...> wrote:
>

> Isn't it rather the prose version that Brother Robert was responsible?

By which I meant "...responsible for", of course!

>
http://sagnanet.is/saganet/?MIval=/SinglePage&Manuscript=100241&Page=14&language\
=icelandic
>

The superscript could be translated:

"Here is written the Saga of Tristam and Queen Ísönd, in which will be
told of the unbearable love they had for each other.  1226 years had
then passed since the birth of Christ when this story was written in
the Norse language at the behest and order of the most worthy lord,
King Hakon.  Brother Robert accomplished [the work] and wrote it
according to his knowledge, wording it as follows in the story, as
must now be told."

i believe you are right. sometime i can understand the word just
looking on how it spell and other times on how it sounds then you say
it, but old East Norse is still twice as easy to read and talk than
Old West Norse is.

Oops!  Right you are.


  From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Brother Robert was a cleric working in Norway who adapted several French
literary works into Old Norse during the reign of Norwegian king Haakon IV of
Norway (1217 – 1263). The most important of these, Tristrams saga ok
Ísöndar,
based on Thomas of Britain's Tristan, is notable as the only example of Thomas'
"courtly branch" of the Tristan and Iseult legend that has survived in its
entirety. It was the earliest Scandanavian version of the story, and is thought
to be the first Norwegian adaptation of an Old French work; its success may have
inspired the spate of translations during King Haakon's reign.[1]

Somebody else translated this poem from the original into Old Norse.  Back to
Google!

Lavrans the Easily Confused

> 2a. Re: "Sagan af Tristan og Ísól"
>     Posted by: "llama_nom" 600cell@... llama_nom
>     Date: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:00 am ((PDT))
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "L.M." <lavrans@...> wrote:
>
>>Also of interest, as most of you know, is this, the
>>TRISTRANSKVÆÐI
>>
>>30 ( 0r 31) verses translated by the Norwegian "Brother Robert" from a
>>French source.
>>
>>It can be found at:
>>
>>http://www.snerpa.is/net/kvaedi/trist-kv.htm
>>
>>Lavrans
>
>
>
> Isn't it rather the prose version that Brother Robert was responsible foe?
>
>
http://sagnanet.is/saganet/?MIval=/SinglePage&Manuscript=100241&Page=14&language\
=icelandic
>
>
>

Mine's late! I've been kinda clammed up here and just reading whatever
gets posted (and therefore emailed to me). Normally I'm not so quiet
but I've been massively busy since I joined. My name is Ashley, better
known as Ash or Kiya to my friends, and the reason I want to learn
Norse is because of my religion (a mishmash of Wicca and Asatru, oh
yes I'm one of those). I printed up the lessons and am reading all the
stories I can get my hands on when I actually have time and so far I
love it. ^_^

Oh yeah, and if someone could tell me how some of the wonky characters
you encounter in Norse and other languages like it are pronounced (I
know the one that looks like a P but sounds like 'th' but the others
are fairly mysterious), I would be very very grateful.

Thanks!,
Ash / Kiya

Hail,

I am Victoria Clare and just beginning with Old Norse, though I speak Norwegian fairly fluently.  There are differences - more than I anticipated.  Can anyone direct me to a good Grammatik I can purchase via Amazon?  I have Zoega's dictionary but need to be able to construct sentences.  Kindly email me directly to: snillgaupe@... .  I am currently a clerical student for Asatru through the good offices of The Troth.  Your help is invaluable to my course of study and I thank you for your time.

Victoria Clare

Osprey Kindred

www.ospreykindred.org

Grammars:

E. V. Gordon: An Introduction to Old Norse
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Old-Norse-E-Gordon/dp/0198111843/ref=sr_1_1/1\
05-8577773-7362853?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189597652&sr=1-1

Michael Barnes: A New Introduction to Old Norse
http://www.amazon.com/New-Introduction-Norse-Michael-Barnes/dp/0903521652/ref=sr\
_1_1/105-8577773-7362853?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189597856&sr=1-1

Or you can order the latter title directly, along with the volumes 2
and 3 (the reader and glossary).
US: http://asu.edu/clas/acmrs/publications/mrts/vsnr.html
UK: http://www.viking-society.group.shef.ac.uk/publications.htm


Some online resources:

Old Norse Online (Todd B. Krause and Jonathan Slocum; 10 lessons +
grammar + runes).
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/eieol/norol-TC-X.html

Old Icelandic Course Materials (Tarrin Wills: referrence grammar +
texts: Iđunn and Skađi, Ţrymskviđa + vocabulary)
http://teaching.arts.usyd.edu.au/english/2000/icel/

Henry Sweet "Icelandic Primer" (specifically Old Icelandic/Norse,
rather than the modern language) http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/5424

Cours d'Islandais Ancien (French introduction to Old Icelandic, with
grammar & parallel Norse/French texts) http://anamnese.online.fr/islensk/

Materialien und Erläuterungen zur Grammatik des Altisländischen
(Einführung in die altisländische Sprache, Hartmut Röhn)
http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/bragi/b4/b4fornislenskukver_de_hr.pdf

> Oh yeah, and if someone could tell me how some of the wonky characters
> you encounter in Norse and other languages like it are pronounced (I
> know the one that looks like a P but sounds like 'th' but the others
> are fairly mysterious), I would be very very grateful.

ţ - like English "th" in "think"
đ - like English "th" in "feather"
ć - Old Norse, like the vowel in English "fair"
   - Modern Icelandic, like English "eye"
œ - Old Norse only: like "ö" in German "schön".  No exact English
equivalent; a bit like the vowel in English "fur" bit with the tongue
higher the lips much tighter / more tense.  In the 13th century, this
vowel merged with ć.

ř - like œ, but short.
The "o" with a hook under it was something like the "o" in some
English pronunciations of "not" (e.g. British English "Received
Pronunciation").

Those last two also merged in the 13th century.  Modern Icelandic uses
ö for the resulting vowel, which is pronounced like German "ö" in
"können" (i.e. somewhere between the vowel of English "fur" and that
of German "schön"), except that in Modern Icelandic it can be
pronounced long or short depending on what sounds follow it.  Old
Norse texts are sometimes printed with this letter too.

Here is one guide to the Icelandic alphabet with information about
medieval and modern Icelandic pronunciation:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/norol-1-X.html#Nor01_GP01

Here are two articles on Old Icelandic pronunciation with slightly
different opinions on some points:
http://www.hi.is/%7Ehaukurth/norse/articles/articles.html

This is an old book which describes the reconstructed pronunciation of
  Old Norse at the time of the earliest surviving manuscripts:
Henry Sweet: Icelandic Primer: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/5424

This site has information about how to type special Icelandic
characters on computers: http://www.mentalcode.com/nl/islenska/index.page

This book has a really thorough guide to Modern Icelandic pronunciation:

Stefán Einarsson: Icelandic: Grammar, Text and Glossary
http://www.amazon.com/Icelandic-Grammar-Glossary-Stefan-Einarsson/dp/0801863570/\
ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-8577773-7362853?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189599360&sr=1-1

> Hail,
>
> I am Victoria Clare and just beginning with Old Norse, though I speak
> Norwegian fairly fluently.

Hail, Victoria!

Welcome to the group. I mostly lurk here, reading in awe the knowledge
shown and spoken here. Truely, a wonderful and knowledgeable group of
people here.

:) Adrian
Osprey Kindred

Hail,

I am Victoria Clare and just beginning with Old Norse, though I speak Norwegian fairly fluently.  There are differences - more than I anticipated.  Can anyone direct me to a good Grammatik I can purchase via Amazon?  I have Zoega's dictionary but need to be able to construct sentences.  Kindly email me directly to: snillgaupe@cox.net .  I am currently a clerical student for Asatru through the good offices of The Troth.  Your help is invaluable to my course of study and I thank you for your time.

Victoria Clare

Osprey Kindred

www.ospreykindred.org

Hi

I am new too, and also know some modern norwegian and danish. And a
less-than-decent old norse.

My name is Santiago Barreiro. Right now, I am living in Buenos Aires,
in South America.

I have a mainly scholarly interest in old norse.




--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Victoria Clare" <snillgaupe@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hail,
>
> I am Victoria Clare and just beginning with Old Norse, though I speak
> Norwegian fairly fluently.  There are differences - more than I
> anticipated.  Can anyone direct me to a good Grammatik I can purchase
> via Amazon?  I have Zoega's dictionary but need to be able to construct
> sentences.  Kindly email me directly to: snillgaupe@...
> <mailto:snillgaupe@...>  .  I am currently a clerical student for
> Asatru through the good offices of The Troth.  Your help is invaluable
> to my course of study and I thank you for your time.
>
> Victoria Clare
>
> Osprey Kindred
>
> www.ospreykindred.org <http://www.ospreykindred.org>
>

They also have Noreen's Altschwedishe Grammatik and Sweet's An
Icelandic Primer online [ http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/etc/aa_texts.html ].

I couldn't find Iversen's Norrřn Grammatik at Amazon, but there are
some used copies currently available at ABE Books [
http://www.abebooks.com/ ].  There's one used copy of Antiguo
islandés: historia y lengua by María Pilar Fernández Álvarez on Amazon
Marketplace, and several at ABE Books.


--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, Justin Farwell <chelagil3@...> wrote:
>
> Jeg vet det ikke om man kan finne det pa. Amazon, men du kunne
letter etter Ragnvald Iversen's Norro/n Grammatik hvis du ikke kan
lese tysk (de beste gramatikkene er pa. tysk (men de er veldig
gammeldags); Noreens Altislaendische Grammatik er ved 'the Germanic
Lexicon Project', og du kan la.ne 'Gutenbrunner's Historiche Laut- und
Formenlehre des Altislaendischen' fra en god universitets bibliotek).
>
>   Lykke! -Justin
>

Sung by Ágúst Ólafsson.  Broadcast live yesterday.  For the full
programme, see "Gul tónleikaröđ, Norrćnar sagnir, 13.9.2007" here:

http://www.sinfonia.is/default.asp?page_id=2038

Carl Nielsen:  Sögudraumur (Saga-dröm), op. 39
Jean Sibelius:  Tapiola, op. 112
Jón Ţórarinsson:  Völuspá
Rued Langgaard:  Sinfónía nr. 5

You can listen online at the RUV website here:

http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?file=4358848

Click on "19.27 Sinfóníutónleikar Norrćnar sagnir".  If Firefox won't
play it, try Internet Explorer; that works for me.  To find the
beginning of Völuspá, put the right end of the moving bar (the thing
with the two green ends that moves along from left to right as the
programme plays) level with the faint vertical line between STOP and
the RETURN-TO-BEGINNING-OF-PROGRAMME button.  If that makes any sense...

Hints for anyone trying to follow the words.  I lost track a bit on
the more complicated choral bits, but from what I could make out, it
doesn't stick rigidly to the manuscript order; it begins with 'Ár var
alda', which strophe recurs later as a refrain.  From the arrival of
the 'ţursar meyjar', it moves to the destruction of the world, and
concludes with the new world that appears afterwards - so it's really
just the beginning and end of the narrative.  Happy 90th birthday
yesterday to the composer!

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...> wrote:
>
>
> Sung by Ágúst Ólafsson.  Broadcast live yesterday.  For the full
> programme, see "Gul tónleikaröđ, Norrćnar sagnir, 13.9.2007" here:
>
> http://www.sinfonia.is/default.asp?page_id=2038
>
> Carl Nielsen:  Sögudraumur (Saga-dröm), op. 39
> Jean Sibelius:  Tapiola, op. 112
> Jón Ţórarinsson:  Völuspá
> Rued Langgaard:  Sinfónía nr. 5
>
> You can listen online at the RUV website here:
>
> http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?file=4358848
>
> Click on "19.27 Sinfóníutónleikar Norrćnar sagnir".  If Firefox won't
> play it, try Internet Explorer; that works for me.  To find the
> beginning of Völuspá, put the right end of the moving bar (the thing
> with the two green ends that moves along from left to right as the
> programme plays) level with the faint vertical line between STOP and
> the RETURN-TO-BEGINNING-OF-PROGRAMME button.  If that makes any sense...
>

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Patti (Wilson)"
<originalpatricia@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks LN I probably have the Sibelius in my collection but I'll
have to get
> in touch with
> Amazon for the others
> Patricia

That was the only one that I was familiar with too, and an old
favourite...  The programme should be online for a couple of weeks
anyway.  You can also get to it by going to the main RUV site,
clicking on 'Rás 1' (the name of the station), then choosing the 13th
on the calendar at the top right of the page.

http://dagskra.ruv.is/streaming/ras1/?date-from=2007-09-15

'Tímakorniđ' - broadcast yesterday, and you can listen online for a
couple of weeks - covers topics such as the idea of freedom in Old
Icelandic writings and how they've been interpreted in recent
centuries, and the relationship of Old Icelandic culture to that of
medieval Europe as a whole.  There are extracts read from Egils saga
(the settlement of Iceland), Sturlunga saga (the death of Snorri
Sturluson), and the law-code Grágás.  The programme begins with a poem
by Egill Skallagrímsson set to music.