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#12676 From: bryllars@...
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 8:30 pm
Subject: re Alt D M
bryllars@...
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There is a command

                     Alt D    M
      I have completely forgotten what the reformatting it does  is called.

When I paste text in from the Windows clipboard sometimes using this
command gives me nice paragraphs and sometimes it gives me chopped
uneven lines.
     Since I don't understand exactly what it does I don't know how to work
around
it.  There is no way that I have found to know ahead of time what it will do
with any
given paste in.

     This is particularly difficult when I have to use it on an added paragraph
and
it then proceeds to mess up the work done on the whole file
   - the good paragraphs and the ones I have had to reformat by hand.

    I have looked up format and reformat and Alt D in the help - but
have found nothing useful. I can't even remember how I found the command in the
first place.

     Lastly - is there some way to set the options or preferences or whatever
so that it carries out the command automatically on pasted material
   (particularly if could reformat in a uniform way).
       And is there another and or better way to accomplish what I am trying to
do.

I copy and paste articles of several pages from the internet and need to have
them fairly neatly formatted to readable length lines.

So
   1.  What is the Alt D   M command called?
   2. How can the reformatting it does be made not to give rigid uneven lines?
   3. What other processes/commands can work in conjunction with Alt D  M
           to give a uniform result to pasted in text?
   4.  How can the process be made a default?

   Thanks

           Bryllars@...

#12677 From: bryllars@...
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] Beginner
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Jody wrote
>You can download my Clip Class from the following link and it
>will walk you through, Getting Started (which is a web page with
>a number of images displaying different parts of NoteTab that
>deals with Clipbooks), making a Library, adding Clips, and
>editing Clips, on to more difficult Clips.  Be sure to read the
>Introduction also.  Open ClipClass.clb and then click on the
>ClipClass Outline Clip to open the Outline.
>
>All the contents of the zip files go in NoteTab's Libraries folder.
>http://www.notetab.net/clipclass/clipclass.zip

But all that comes up is

"No web site is configured at this address."

Bryllars

#12678 From: james sadler <jimbsadler@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 9:08 pm
Subject: Re: FW: [NTB] Python Language Programming Syntax Formatter for Notetab Pro?
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--- Fred Allen <fallen@...> wrote:
> Dear Sirs and Mesdames:
>
> When I first posted this question, I fear (hope) my
> expression was obscure,
> for I've received no reply.  Do any among you know
> of a Clip program that,
> when active, color-codes the Python programming
> language's syntactic
> tokens?  If you do, I'd greatly appreciate being
> told how I might get it.
> With advance thanks, I remain,
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Fred Allen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Allen [mailto:fallen@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:00 AM
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NTB] Python Language Syntax Formatter for
> Notetab Pro?
>
> Dear Sirs and Mesdames:
>
> If such as the subject now exists, would you please
> point me to it.
> With thanks in advance, I am,
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Fred Allen
>
>
>
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>   Mssr,
          I suspect that most Python coders are active
in the Linux community. As this thread deals mostly
with a Windows program the answers you receive may be
sparse. If you go to Extremetech.com in the forums
there are numerous Python coders who can make a solid
reccomendation to you. For Windows there is a lovely
piece of Freeware called the Exidor editor which I
like and you might like as well even if it is not
specifically what you seek. If the Python community
does not have the answer you seek try the Perl Monks
Org. Those guys must use every programming tool known
to man.
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#12679 From: bryllars@...
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 9:49 pm
Subject: re:Exidor
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James Sadler wrote
> For Windows there is a lovely
>piece of Freeware called the Exidor editor which I
>like and you might like as well

What on earth is this? Is it Ultra Edit?

Nothing comes up on a search except Exidor computer Co
with an address not found.

Bryllars@...

#12680 From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: FW: [NTB] Python Language Programming Syntax Formatter for Notetab Pro?
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On 1/4/02 1:06 PM, Fred Allen wrote:

>Dear Sirs and Mesdames:
>
>When I first posted this question, I fear (hope) my expression was obscure,
>for I've received no reply.  Do any among you know of a Clip program that,
>when active, color-codes the Python programming language's syntactic
>tokens?  If you do, I'd greatly appreciate being told how I might get it.
>With advance thanks, I remain,
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Fred Allen
>
>
Hello,

I saw your original post and I thought I saw an answer to it,
nevertheless, I'll try to answer if I understand the question correctly.

You're asking if NoteTab offers syntax color coding for Python scripts.
  As far as I'm aware color coding is restricted to NoteTab clip script
and HTML script.

But, things are looking up, version 5 of NoteTab, when it is released,
is said to offer customizable script language color coding.  We don't
have an exact timetable for the release but, we're all anxiously
awaiting it also.

hrs

#12681 From: "Christopher J. Whyte" <President@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 11:20 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
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Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know what
multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't know
that these words were techies(sic) only words. Under options it says "allow
multiple instances" and then in the help
files (one place) it says:

"Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow multiple
instances of the editor in memory."

Is this too techie(sic) for you 'all to grasp?, if it is I am in the wrong
group! I was trying to point out that the
first place to look was in the help files, and I think NoteTab's help files are
quite good.


        God Bless,
      The President
Of The WhyteHouse
      AKA DimNull

----- Original Message -----
From: <bryllars@...>
To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances


> >here is what it says about Multiple instances:
> >
> >Multiple Instances
> >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
>
> Which points up the problem.
> Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
> what "multiple instances" exactly means -
> what pops up is not help but more of the same.
>
> Only techies think that repeating a technical term explains it.
> If it was not understood the first time, then it needs to
> be explained or rephrased in a simple clear way when help is
> requested.
>
> This is not to target the program - it is merely a common fault of help
> files in the wake of Bill Gates (whose help files are unreadable).
> There are people in Australia who sometimes write good help
> files.
> The whole industry could learn.
>
> The principle in this case is don't repeat a technical term  being
> queried  in the answer in a help file or pop up.
>
> Bryllars
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:12 PM 1/4/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
> >If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you will
usually get the exact item in question popup
in
> >the help files. I did this and here is what it says about Multiple instances:
> >
> >Multiple Instances
> >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
> >
> >
> >
> >       God Bless,
> >     The President
> >Of The WhyteHouse
> >     AKA DimNull
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <rbrannon@...>
> >To: "NoteTab Post" <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> >Subject: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
> >
> >
> >> Ahoy NoteTabbers,
> >> What does the "Allow Multiple Instances" setting accomplish?
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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#12682 From: "Martyn Folkes" <mfolkes@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2002 11:37 pm
Subject: RE: FW: [NTB] Python Language Programming Syntax Formatter for Notetab Pro?
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Where can we find out more about version 5, and is it being Beta tested yet?

Martyn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hsavage [mailto:hsavage@...]
> Sent: 04 January 2002 22:28
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: FW: [NTB] Python Language Programming Syntax Formatter for
> Notetab Pro?
>
>
> On 1/4/02 1:06 PM, Fred Allen wrote:
>
> >Dear Sirs and Mesdames:
> >
> >When I first posted this question, I fear (hope) my expression
> was obscure,
> >for I've received no reply.  Do any among you know of a Clip
> program that,
> >when active, color-codes the Python programming language's syntactic
> >tokens?  If you do, I'd greatly appreciate being told how I
> might get it.
> >With advance thanks, I remain,
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Fred Allen
> >
> >
> Hello,
>
> I saw your original post and I thought I saw an answer to it,
> nevertheless, I'll try to answer if I understand the question correctly.
>
> You're asking if NoteTab offers syntax color coding for Python scripts.
>  As far as I'm aware color coding is restricted to NoteTab clip script
> and HTML script.
>
> But, things are looking up, version 5 of NoteTab, when it is released,
> is said to offer customizable script language color coding.  We don't
> have an exact timetable for the release but, we're all anxiously
> awaiting it also.
>
> hrs
>
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#12683 From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 12:08 am
Subject: Re: FW: [NTB] Python Language Programming Syntax Formatter for Notetab Pro?
hrs62930
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On 1/4/02 5:37 PM, Martyn Folkes wrote:

>Where can we find out more about version 5, and is it being Beta tested yet?
>
>Martyn
>
Martyn,

If you continue to monitor this group you'll surely hear about V5 when
it starts beta testing.

For more specific information you might try a post to Jody Adair (answer
man) on this or other NoteTab user lists.  The author could the
questions also, but, the less we bother him the more time he can devote
to V5.

hrs

#12684 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:02 am
Subject: RE: [NTB] Beginner
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Hi Martyn and Others,

I'm sorry, I forgot that it was down along with my other domains
on the same server.  I do not know when they will be back up at
this time.

Try this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntb-clipclass/files/clipclass.zip

Please do all discussion of the material in the zip on the Clip
Class list.  You can sign up for it via my sigline.  Put the
contents of the zip file in NoteTab's Library folder.  Click on
the "Clip Class Outline" Clip in ClipClass Library to open the
Outline.

>It may just be me but www.notetab.net hasn't been available for
>the last 4 hours at least. Thought you'd like to know.
> All the contents of the zip files go in NoteTab's Libraries
> folder. http://www.notetab.net/clipclass/clipclass.zip

Happy Script'n!
Jody Adair

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#12685 From: james sadler <jimbsadler@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:23 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] re:Exidor
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--- bryllars@... wrote:
> James Sadler wrote
> > For Windows there is a lovely
> >piece of Freeware called the Exidor editor which I
> >like and you might like as well
>
> What on earth is this? Is it Ultra Edit?
>
> Nothing comes up on a search except Exidor computer
> Co
> with an address not found.
>
> Bryllars@...
>    My memory was less than perfect. The correct name
of that editor is Edxor and it is quite a nice editor.
I have not explored all of its functions but from what
I have used I highly reccomend it and being free
doesn't hurt a bit.


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#12686 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 2:20 am
Subject: NoteTab Version Five
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Hi Martyn,

>Where can we find out more about version 5, and is it being Beta
>tested yet?

No, it is not in public beta testing yet.  It is being worked on,
although not full time as of yet.  Public beta testing will
happen on The NoteTab Next Release List when it starts.  There is
no estimated release date of the public beta at this time which
would definitely include the full release.

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If you want to be on the Fookes Software notification list for
Fookes Software updates and new products, sign up for it at
http://www.fookes.com in the lower left border area.

Normally, when you do not get a reply on the mailings lists it is
because nobody has an answer, but it does not hurt to re-post
after a couple days. ;)

>> But, things are looking up, version 5 of NoteTab, when it is
>> released, is said to offer customizable script language color
>> coding.  We don't have an exact timetable for the release but,
>> we're all anxiously awaiting it also.


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#12687 From: rbrannon@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 3:26 am
Subject: Multiple Instance Redux
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I Wrote:

"Ahoy NoteTabbers,
What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?
Rick"



Clint Replied:

"This allows you to run multiple instances of Note Tab.. i.e. you can have to
Note Tab apps running at the same time."

Thank you for trying to help Clint. Rick



Christopher a.k.a. "DimNull" Replied:

"If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you will
usually get the exact item in question popup in the help files. I did this and
here is what it says about Multiple instances: Multiple Instances - Allows
multiple instances of NoteTab to run."

Thanks, but you don't understand what I was asking. Place your cursor over my
question and press F1 to get the pop up, 'What does the Allow Multiple Instances
setting accomplish?'...Clear Now? Rick



Bryllars Replied to DimNull:

"Which points up the problem.
Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
what "multiple instances" exactly means -
what pops up is not help but more of the same."

Thanks for speaking up Bryllars! Rick



DimNull a.k.a. "CrepuscularNothing" Replied to me and Bryllars:

"I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know what
multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't know that these words were techies(sic)
only words. Under options it says allow multiple instances and then in the help
files (one place) it says: Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want
to allow multiple instances of the editor in memory. Is this too techie(sic) for
you 'all to grasp?"

Forgive me, O ye of little light...But,

I wasn't having difficulty with the definition of the words "multiple", or
"instances". Rick



Multiple Instance Redux

I was wondering why I would want multiple instances of NoteTab in memory? OK, so
I can have a neat little row of Swiss flags minimized in my system tray. Why
would I want too? Why was that feature placed in the program? What can I do with
multiple instances that I can't do with a single instance? I was hoping that
someone who uses this feature would explain to me the advantages of doing
so.Thus the question, "What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting
accomplish?"

Rick



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#12688 From: "Christopher J. Whyte" <President@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 4:56 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
My main purpose of responding, and please forgive my response earlier, was to
let you know about holding your cursor
over a selected area so you can usually bring up the help file directly related
to that specific topic that way
(pressing F1). I do not know how many people know this but it is worth repeating
as I have found it a BIG help to me
while trying to learn something from the help files. I have never checked it off
("Allow Multiple Instances") when I
have used my various versions of NoteTab in the last four years. I find it very
confusing, and I am suspect as to why it
is there myself. Now when I hold my cursor over the option "Allow Multiple
Instances" in NoteTab under options, then
general,  I get this when I press F1 (while I have the option, "Allow Multiple
Instances" in focus, highlighted,
touched, etc.) :

"Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow multiple
instances of the editor in memory."

  The answer sounds plain enough, but for the life of me, I do not know why I may
want sever copies of the document open,
as if I change it in one it will ask me that the application has changed, and do
I want it to be changed in this version
of NoteTab!

The whole purpose of  me responding in the first place was to let you know how
to get directly to the section of the
help files that will explain what you are looking for. This was quite a
revelation to me when I found out that I could
pull up just the section of the help files that dealt with the option I had
highlighted, touched, in focus, etc..

Yes it is true that some help files are not that good in giving you the answer
you need or on the level you are on but
then again I have found then, at times to be most helpful. The biggest problem I
have with help files is finding the
exact problem I am having and then to have an explanation on a level I could
understand. This , I have found is much
better than trying to find someone who may or may not know what the "fix" is!
I first go to the help files by the above manner, then I try to find out from
others, if I can't find my answer in the
help files.

So how does it go?, when all else fails, read the directions!

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes and I will wait and see who or if someone
needs some guidance.


        God Bless,
      The President
Of The WhyteHouse
      AKA DimNull

----- Original Message -----
From: <rbrannon@...>
To: "NoteTab Post" <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux


> I Wrote:
>
> "Ahoy NoteTabbers,
> What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?
> Rick"
>
>
>
> Clint Replied:
>
> "This allows you to run multiple instances of Note Tab.. i.e. you can have to
Note Tab apps running at the same time."
>
> Thank you for trying to help Clint. Rick
>
>
>
> Christopher a.k.a. "DimNull" Replied:
>
> "If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you will
usually get the exact item in question popup
in the help files. I did this and here is what it says about Multiple instances:
Multiple Instances - Allows multiple
instances of NoteTab to run."
>
> Thanks, but you don't understand what I was asking. Place your cursor over my
question and press F1 to get the pop up,
'What does the Allow Multiple Instances setting accomplish?'...Clear Now? Rick
>
>
>
> Bryllars Replied to DimNull:
>
> "Which points up the problem.
> Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
> what "multiple instances" exactly means -
> what pops up is not help but more of the same."
>
> Thanks for speaking up Bryllars! Rick
>
>
>
> DimNull a.k.a. "CrepuscularNothing" Replied to me and Bryllars:
>
> "I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know what
multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't
know that these words were techies(sic) only words. Under options it says allow
multiple instances and then in the help
files (one place) it says: Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want
to allow multiple instances of the
editor in memory. Is this too techie(sic) for you 'all to grasp?"
>
> Forgive me, O ye of little light...But,
>
> I wasn't having difficulty with the definition of the words "multiple", or
"instances". Rick
>
>
>
> Multiple Instance Redux
>
> I was wondering why I would want multiple instances of NoteTab in memory? OK,
so I can have a neat little row of Swiss
flags minimized in my system tray. Why would I want too? Why was that feature
placed in the program? What can I do with
multiple instances that I can't do with a single instance? I was hoping that
someone who uses this feature would explain
to me the advantages of doing so.Thus the question, "What does the 'Allow
Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?"
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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#12689 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 4:56 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Hi Rick and Others,

Please take the thread about other editors to the Off Topic list
or to personal eMail. TIA

>"Ahoy NoteTabbers,
>What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?

Let's get back down to earth guys and gals.  Bashing NoteTab's
help file and each other will not accomplish anything and just
make matters worse.  It has been said more than once on this list
that the Help file will be redone for v5.  If you have a problem
with it, please send your statements to feedback@... or
ntb-nextrelease@yahoogroups.com so Eric can take note of it.
Let's get back to helping each other. TIA


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#12690 From: rbrannon@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:35 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Jody,

I'm not speaking of other editors, I'm speaking of NoteTab Pro. I'm not bashing
NoteTab's help file. I'm trying to get an answer to the question, "What does the
'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?"

Rick

----- Original Message -----
   From: Jody
   To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux


   Hi Rick and Others,

   Please take the thread about other editors to the Off Topic list
   or to personal eMail. TIA

   >"Ahoy NoteTabbers,
   >What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?

   Let's get back down to earth guys and gals.  Bashing NoteTab's
   help file and each other will not accomplish anything and just
   make matters worse.  It has been said more than once on this list
   that the Help file will be redone for v5.  If you have a problem
   with it, please send your statements to feedback@... or
   ntb-nextrelease@yahoogroups.com so Eric can take note of it.
   Let's get back to helping each other. TIA


   Happy Topics,
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#12691 From: rbrannon@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 6:06 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Christopher,
Thank you for the time you gave freely in the effort to help me. I ran a search
on the Yahoo archive and didn't succeed in finding what I was looking for. I
often use the F1 key when I'm seeking direct and specific help, not only in
NoteTab, but in  "other" editors and program suites I use. It just didn't help
me this time so I was seeking an answer from the group.

Rick

----- Original Message -----
   From: Christopher J. Whyte
   To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:56 PM
   Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux



   Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
   My main purpose of responding, and please forgive my response earlier, was to
let you know about holding your cursor
   over a selected area so you can usually bring up the help file directly
related to that specific topic that way
   (pressing F1). I do not know how many people know this but it is worth
repeating as I have found it a BIG help to me
   while trying to learn something from the help files. I have never checked it
off ("Allow Multiple Instances") when I
   have used my various versions of NoteTab in the last four years. I find it
very confusing, and I am suspect as to why it
   is there myself. Now when I hold my cursor over the option "Allow Multiple
Instances" in NoteTab under options, then
   general,  I get this when I press F1 (while I have the option, "Allow Multiple
Instances" in focus, highlighted,
   touched, etc.) :

   "Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow multiple
instances of the editor in memory."

   The answer sounds plain enough, but for the life of me, I do not know why I
may want sever copies of the document open,
   as if I change it in one it will ask me that the application has changed, and
do I want it to be changed in this version
   of NoteTab!

   The whole purpose of  me responding in the first place was to let you know how
to get directly to the section of the
   help files that will explain what you are looking for. This was quite a
revelation to me when I found out that I could
   pull up just the section of the help files that dealt with the option I had
highlighted, touched, in focus, etc..

   Yes it is true that some help files are not that good in giving you the answer
you need or on the level you are on but
   then again I have found then, at times to be most helpful. The biggest problem
I have with help files is finding the
   exact problem I am having and then to have an explanation on a level I could
understand. This , I have found is much
   better than trying to find someone who may or may not know what the "fix" is!
   I first go to the help files by the above manner, then I try to find out from
others, if I can't find my answer in the
   help files.

   So how does it go?, when all else fails, read the directions!

   Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes and I will wait and see who or if someone
needs some guidance.


          God Bless,
        The President
   Of The WhyteHouse
        AKA DimNull

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: <rbrannon@...>
   To: "NoteTab Post" <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:26 PM
   Subject: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux


   > I Wrote:
   >
   > "Ahoy NoteTabbers,
   > What does the 'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?
   > Rick"
   >
   >
   >
   > Clint Replied:
   >
   > "This allows you to run multiple instances of Note Tab.. i.e. you can have
to Note Tab apps running at the same time."
   >
   > Thank you for trying to help Clint. Rick
   >
   >
   >
   > Christopher a.k.a. "DimNull" Replied:
   >
   > "If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you will
usually get the exact item in question popup
   in the help files. I did this and here is what it says about Multiple
instances: Multiple Instances - Allows multiple
   instances of NoteTab to run."
   >
   > Thanks, but you don't understand what I was asking. Place your cursor over
my question and press F1 to get the pop up,
   'What does the Allow Multiple Instances setting accomplish?'...Clear Now? Rick
   >
   >
   >
   > Bryllars Replied to DimNull:
   >
   > "Which points up the problem.
   > Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
   > what "multiple instances" exactly means -
   > what pops up is not help but more of the same."
   >
   > Thanks for speaking up Bryllars! Rick
   >
   >
   >
   > DimNull a.k.a. "CrepuscularNothing" Replied to me and Bryllars:
   >
   > "I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know what
multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't
   know that these words were techies(sic) only words. Under options it says
allow multiple instances and then in the help
   files (one place) it says: Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you
want to allow multiple instances of the
   editor in memory. Is this too techie(sic) for you 'all to grasp?"
   >
   > Forgive me, O ye of little light...But,
   >
   > I wasn't having difficulty with the definition of the words "multiple", or
"instances". Rick
   >
   >
   >
   > Multiple Instance Redux
   >
   > I was wondering why I would want multiple instances of NoteTab in memory?
OK, so I can have a neat little row of Swiss
   flags minimized in my system tray. Why would I want too? Why was that feature
placed in the program? What can I do with
   multiple instances that I can't do with a single instance? I was hoping that
someone who uses this feature would explain
   to me the advantages of doing so.Thus the question, "What does the 'Allow
Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?"
   >
   > Rick
   >
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#12692 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:49 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Hi Christopher and Others,

>"Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow
>multiple instances of the editor in memory."
>
>The answer sounds plain enough, but for the life of me, I do not
>know why I may want sever copies of the document open, as if I
>change it in one it will ask me that the application has changed,
>and do I want it to be changed in this version of NoteTab!

I've heard different reasons for having many copies of NoteTab
open at a time (which uses up more memory).  If I am not
mistaken, another instance of NoteTab open does not use as much
memory as the first like browsers when you open a second window,
but do not quote me on that one.

Some launch extra copies from a shortcut loading a different INI
file, because they want a different set of features loaded for a
task at hand.  Some will use another copy and then use the second
to load the same file, close most the extra views, and then split
the screen with the two copies.  It is a "poor man's" way of
having a split view I suppose you could say till NoteTab gets
that type; it has Second Window now, but that is not the same.
There are probably other reasons also, but I don't know of any
since I never used the feature except to test with. One copy of
NoteTab is more than enough for me to handle. ;)

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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#12693 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 6:54 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] re Alt D M
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Hi Bryllars,

>There is a command
>
>                    Alt D    M

No there's not. :-)

>When I paste text in from the Windows clipboard sometimes using
>this command gives me nice paragraphs and sometimes it gives me
>chopped uneven lines.

I think you might be thinking of Reformat Lines under the Modify
| Lines menu.  I suspect that you are giving it a right margin
that is longer than your document edit window's width.  That can
indeed give you a long/short line effect.  The reason is when you
use the Reformat tool it completely strips all the hard line
breaks from the paragraphs and then splits each line at the
column that you specify in the dialog box.  So, if your document
edit window is at about 70 characters wide *and* you have word
wrap *on* and you split the lines at 80 characters the line will
*word wrap* at about 70 columns leaving about 10 characters
wrapped to the next line.  The reason only 10 or so characters
will be there is because at about 80 characters NoteTab put the
hard line break in.  Press Ctrl+W and you will see the short
lines wrap up to the longer ones above.  I used "about at" so
many characters, because it depends on where a whole word falls
on how close it will be split, up to 80 columns above.

One of the disadvantages of the Reformat Tool is the long/short
line effect especially when distributing your work elsewhere
because you do not know what settings the end user will have set.
Another is, NoteTab will join *all* the lines together in one
paragraph that do not have a blank line following them.  So, if
you have a list of items that are numbered or the like one line
after each other, they will all be joined and then split at where
you specified.  You need to select different sections of the
document at a time when you run across sections like that.

There is also Wrap to Column under the Document Properties menu.
If the lines are not joined before you use it, you can also get a
long/short line effect.  Let's say the line are already hard
wrapped at 78 and then you set column wrap to 70 you will end up
with 70 & 8 character lines, or in the neighborhood thereof.  You
want to use Join Lines first if you are in that situation.  On a
side note, if you wrap to say column 78 and then open it in
another editor or program the text will not be wrapped at 78.
Wrap to Column use a soft wrap like word wrap.  If you want to
split the lines at 78 in this case select all (Ctrl+A) the text
and use the Split Lines tool.  That will enter the hard line
breaks needed to retain the column width you desire.

>I have looked up format and reformat and Alt D in the help - but
>have found nothing useful. I can't even remember how I found the
>command in the first place.

If you type in Reformat under the Find tab in Help and then click
on it in the upper window you will see five items listed.  Three
of them will get you where you need to go if you are looking for
the Reformat Lines tool.

>Lastly - is there some way to set the options or preferences or
>whatever so that it carries out the command automatically on
>pasted material (particularly if could reformat in a uniform
>way).

Clips could do some of what you want.  I have a Library called
ReFormat with a number of Clips in it made just for reformatting
text.  When my server gets back up try my Libraries page.  See my
sigline.  It is one of my older Libraries, so some Clips might
have better ways of doing it now.  (You might be able to get it
at NoteTab's Clipbook Repository.)

I also have one called eForm'r which is a bit smaller and maybe
not as overwhelming.  I think I have it at my site as well.  I do
not know about notetab.com

>And is there another and or better way to accomplish what I am
>trying to do.
>
>I copy and paste articles of several pages from the internet and
>need to have them fairly neatly formatted to readable length lines.

Check out eForm'r.

>So
>  1.  What is the Alt D   M command called?

Beats me. ;D  Alt+D says it is under the Document menu and that
one of the menu items has an underscore under the M.  There's
really not anything under the Document menu that deals with
Modifying text. ;)  Practically all, if not all of the tools that
will change text are found under the Modify menu.  The Lines
Submenu has the type of formatting tools you are looking for.

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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#12694 From: "Charles" <chalz@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 7:52 am
Subject: The Ruler
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Is there any way I can make numerals appear in the ruler at the top of my
screen with NTP?  A 'hard line' along the right for the
margin/point-of-wrapping would rock, too.  Anyone?  Thanks.

--Charles

#12695 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] Multiple Instance Redux
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Hi Rick,

>I'm not speaking of other editors, I'm speaking of NoteTab Pro.

I know, I was trying to prevent from making another post to the
list. I don't particularly care to keep repeating myself,
although I realize we get new members all the time.  I dislike
sounding like a broken phonograph or whatever that phrase was we
use to use way back when. <bg>

>I'm not bashing NoteTab's help file.

I was speaking in general to the whole list.  I even addressed it
to the gals who were not in the conversation. (And, no, I was not
implying anything;-)

>I'm trying to get an answer to the question, "What does the
>'Allow Multiple Instances' setting accomplish?"

If the box is checked the user is telling NoteTab that he/she
would like to be able to open more than one copy of NoteTab at a
time.  But, you knew that didn't you? :)  Perhaps what you really
want to know is what are some reasons to have the feature
checked; how do some of you use more than one instance at a time?

It allows users to have more than one instance, copy for a lack
of better words, of NoteTab at one time for various reasons
depending on the user, and most likely what we would refer to as
a "power user".  This is edited from my other post:

Some launch extra copies from a shortcut loading a different INI
file (via the command-line), because they want a different set of
features loaded for a task at hand.  There are a number of other
command-line parameters also that some might use.  Some will use
another copy and then use the second to load the same file, close
most the extra views, and then split the screen with the two
copies.

There are probably other reasons also, but I don't know of any
since I never used the feature except to test with. One copy of
NoteTab is more than enough for me to handle. ;)

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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#12696 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [NTB] The Ruler
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Hi Charles,

>Is there any way I can make numerals appear in the ruler at the
>top of my screen with NTP?

Oh, and I thought the subject line was referring to me. haha
No, you can only change the units by right clicking over it.

>A 'hard line' along the right for the margin/point-of-wrapping
>would rock, too.  Anyone?  Thanks.

I think that is coming in version 5 and it is not known when that
will be released.

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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#12697 From: bryllars@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] re:Exidor
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Thankyou again

Bryllars

At 05:23 PM 1/4/02 -0800, you wrote:
>
>--- bryllars@... wrote:
>> James Sadler wrote
>> > For Windows there is a lovely
>> >piece of Freeware called the Exidor editor which I
>> >like and you might like as well
>>
>> What on earth is this? Is it Ultra Edit?
>>
>> Nothing comes up on a search except Exidor computer
>> Co
>> with an address not found.
>>
>> Bryllars@...
>>    My memory was less than perfect. The correct name
>of that editor is Edxor and it is quite a nice editor.
>I have not explored all of its functions but from what
>I have used I highly reccomend it and being free
>doesn't hurt a bit.
>
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#12698 From: bryllars@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] re Alt D M
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Thanks for all the effort to Jody and Charles Raine
and to others who may find this helpful - or not.

The Note Tab I use is Standard Edition

The Alt D  M  command is under the Document menu - Thankyou Jody.
It it UPDATE COLUMN WRAP
Having found this I can now figure out what it does.
Sorry for my blindness.

Bryllars



At 12:54 AM 1/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Bryllars,
>
>>There is a command
>>
>>                    Alt D    M
>
>No there's not. :-)
>
>>When I paste text in from the Windows clipboard sometimes using
>>this command gives me nice paragraphs and sometimes it gives me
>>chopped uneven lines.
>
>I think you might be thinking of Reformat Lines under the Modify
>| Lines menu.  I suspect that you are giving it a right margin
>that is longer than your document edit window's width.  That can
>indeed give you a long/short line effect.  The reason is when you
>use the Reformat tool it completely strips all the hard line
>breaks from the paragraphs and then splits each line at the
>column that you specify in the dialog box.  So, if your document
>edit window is at about 70 characters wide *and* you have word
>wrap *on* and you split the lines at 80 characters the line will
>*word wrap* at about 70 columns leaving about 10 characters
>wrapped to the next line.  The reason only 10 or so characters
>will be there is because at about 80 characters NoteTab put the
>hard line break in.  Press Ctrl+W and you will see the short
>lines wrap up to the longer ones above.  I used "about at" so
>many characters, because it depends on where a whole word falls
>on how close it will be split, up to 80 columns above.
>
>One of the disadvantages of the Reformat Tool is the long/short
>line effect especially when distributing your work elsewhere
>because you do not know what settings the end user will have set.
>Another is, NoteTab will join *all* the lines together in one
>paragraph that do not have a blank line following them.  So, if
>you have a list of items that are numbered or the like one line
>after each other, they will all be joined and then split at where
>you specified.  You need to select different sections of the
>document at a time when you run across sections like that.
>
>There is also Wrap to Column under the Document Properties menu.
>If the lines are not joined before you use it, you can also get a
>long/short line effect.  Let's say the line are already hard
>wrapped at 78 and then you set column wrap to 70 you will end up
>with 70 & 8 character lines, or in the neighborhood thereof.  You
>want to use Join Lines first if you are in that situation.  On a
>side note, if you wrap to say column 78 and then open it in
>another editor or program the text will not be wrapped at 78.
>Wrap to Column use a soft wrap like word wrap.  If you want to
>split the lines at 78 in this case select all (Ctrl+A) the text
>and use the Split Lines tool.  That will enter the hard line
>breaks needed to retain the column width you desire.
>
>>I have looked up format and reformat and Alt D in the help - but
>>have found nothing useful. I can't even remember how I found the
>>command in the first place.
>
>If you type in Reformat under the Find tab in Help and then click
>on it in the upper window you will see five items listed.  Three
>of them will get you where you need to go if you are looking for
>the Reformat Lines tool.
>
>>Lastly - is there some way to set the options or preferences or
>>whatever so that it carries out the command automatically on
>>pasted material (particularly if could reformat in a uniform
>>way).
>
>Clips could do some of what you want.  I have a Library called
>ReFormat with a number of Clips in it made just for reformatting
>text.  When my server gets back up try my Libraries page.  See my
>sigline.  It is one of my older Libraries, so some Clips might
>have better ways of doing it now.  (You might be able to get it
>at NoteTab's Clipbook Repository.)
>
>I also have one called eForm'r which is a bit smaller and maybe
>not as overwhelming.  I think I have it at my site as well.  I do
>not know about notetab.com
>
>>And is there another and or better way to accomplish what I am
>>trying to do.
>>
>>I copy and paste articles of several pages from the internet and
>>need to have them fairly neatly formatted to readable length lines.
>
>Check out eForm'r.
>
>>So
>>  1.  What is the Alt D   M command called?
>
>Beats me. ;D  Alt+D says it is under the Document menu and that
>one of the menu items has an underscore under the M.  There's
>really not anything under the Document menu that deals with
>Modifying text. ;)  Practically all, if not all of the tools that
>will change text are found under the Modify menu.  The Lines
>Submenu has the type of formatting tools you are looking for.
>
>Happy NoteTab'n,
>Jody Adair
>
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>http://www.notetab.net
>
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#12699 From: "LaurieK" <ladyck3@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
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Sorry for including the entire thread here but since I am walking in on the
middle of the conversation, it was extremely helpful in getting a handle on
how one thinks something is "techie" and the other is defending their reply.

Bryllars, if you still do not understand the term "multiple Instances" what
that refers to is allowing Note Tab to open up more than once.   As it
stands, Note Tab opens up once, when you open 'multiple documents' or more
than one document, they all open with the same instance of the application,
meaning the Note Tab program is open and any documents opened will open
within that one window in various tabs.

The "Multiple Instances" you are referring to means when this is chosen, the
Note Tab program will open up itself in a new window each time you open a
document, and will use more memory each time the application is open, rather
than opening a documents within just one Window with tabs, it opens up the
program each time.   This can chew up a chunck of memory if you are opening
the application each time rather than just a new tab within the first
'instance'.

I hope this helps to explain what "multiple instances" refers to.   I know
there are times this is handy, if you have more than one document you are
comparing and want to have them all viewable at the same time rather than
having to flip between tabs.

Take care and Happy New Year Note Tabbers..... let's hope 2002 is much
healthier, safer, kinder, gentler and prosperous for us all.....

Laurie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher J. Whyte" <President@...>
To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances


>
> Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
> I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know
what multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't know
> that these words were techies(sic) only words. Under options it says
"allow multiple instances" and then in the help
> files (one place) it says:
>
> "Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow multiple
instances of the editor in memory."
>
> Is this too techie(sic) for you 'all to grasp?, if it is I am in the wrong
group! I was trying to point out that the
> first place to look was in the help files, and I think NoteTab's help
files are quite good.
>
>
>        God Bless,
>      The President
> Of The WhyteHouse
>      AKA DimNull
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bryllars@...>
> To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
>
>
> > >here is what it says about Multiple instances:
> > >
> > >Multiple Instances
> > >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
> >
> > Which points up the problem.
> > Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
> > what "multiple instances" exactly means -
> > what pops up is not help but more of the same.
> >
> > Only techies think that repeating a technical term explains it.
> > If it was not understood the first time, then it needs to
> > be explained or rephrased in a simple clear way when help is
> > requested.
> >
> > This is not to target the program - it is merely a common fault of help
> > files in the wake of Bill Gates (whose help files are unreadable).
> > There are people in Australia who sometimes write good help
> > files.
> > The whole industry could learn.
> >
> > The principle in this case is don't repeat a technical term  being
> > queried  in the answer in a help file or pop up.
> >
> > Bryllars
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:12 PM 1/4/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
> > >If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you
will usually get the exact item in question popup
> in
> > >the help files. I did this and here is what it says about Multiple
instances:
> > >
> > >Multiple Instances
> > >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       God Bless,
> > >     The President
> > >Of The WhyteHouse
> > >     AKA DimNull
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <rbrannon@...>
> > >To: "NoteTab Post" <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:10 AM
> > >Subject: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
> > >
> > >
> > >> Ahoy NoteTabbers,
> > >> What does the "Allow Multiple Instances" setting accomplish?
> > >>
> > >> Rick
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#12700 From: bryllars@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
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Dear Laurie,

     Thankyou for writing what the pop-up Help should have said in the first
place.
Just to clarify - I was not the person looking for the info - I was just making
a point
about how to write Help files.  Apparently computer people often have trouble
about
this and get very touchy when one tries to show them the way.
   The basic pinciple is  no tautologies in a Help description
     a tautology is something like  a box is a box
                                                or     a multiple instance  is a
multiple instance.
    On principle, Help writers should exclude such things when writing Help.
    This is not a specific criticism of NoteTab help - but of most computer helps
-
particularly Windows help.
     Another major problem in Help files is having the index point to terms in
the menus
without also having categories for what the user is trying to do - otherwise a
FUNCTIONAL
Help.  Bill Gates is the worst about this.
     I would hope that when the Help for Notetab 5 is being written these
principles will
be observed.
     Many people, going by the responses I have received just assume the user
knows
what the words mean.  Or that the answers to that question are available in some
magical dictionary known only to the designers or other enthusiasts.
It ain't so - as is made clear by the queries that have come into this list.

You have shown the way - now we have to pare it down to pop-up size.
Thanks again

Bryllars



At 09:52 AM 1/5/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Sorry for including the entire thread here but since I am walking in on the
>middle of the conversation, it was extremely helpful in getting a handle on
>how one thinks something is "techie" and the other is defending their reply.
>
>Bryllars, if you still do not understand the term "multiple Instances" what
>that refers to is allowing Note Tab to open up more than once.   As it
>stands, Note Tab opens up once, when you open 'multiple documents' or more
>than one document, they all open with the same instance of the application,
>meaning the Note Tab program is open and any documents opened will open
>within that one window in various tabs.
>
>The "Multiple Instances" you are referring to means when this is chosen, the
>Note Tab program will open up itself in a new window each time you open a
>document, and will use more memory each time the application is open, rather
>than opening a documents within just one Window with tabs, it opens up the
>program each time.   This can chew up a chunck of memory if you are opening
>the application each time rather than just a new tab within the first
>'instance'.
>
>I hope this helps to explain what "multiple instances" refers to.   I know
>there are times this is handy, if you have more than one document you are
>comparing and want to have them all viewable at the same time rather than
>having to flip between tabs.
>
>Take care and Happy New Year Note Tabbers..... let's hope 2002 is much
>healthier, safer, kinder, gentler and prosperous for us all.....
>
>Laurie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher J. Whyte" <President@...>
>To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
>
>
>>
>> Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
>> I am amazed by your statement!!! Do you have a dictionary? Do you know
>what multiple means? and NoteTab? I didn't know
>> that these words were techies(sic) only words. Under options it says
>"allow multiple instances" and then in the help
>> files (one place) it says:
>>
>> "Allow Multiple Instances: Set this option if you want to allow multiple
>instances of the editor in memory."
>>
>> Is this too techie(sic) for you 'all to grasp?, if it is I am in the wrong
>group! I was trying to point out that the
>> first place to look was in the help files, and I think NoteTab's help
>files are quite good.
>>
>>
>>        God Bless,
>>      The President
>> Of The WhyteHouse
>>      AKA DimNull
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <bryllars@...>
>> To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
>>
>>
>> > >here is what it says about Multiple instances:
>> > >
>> > >Multiple Instances
>> > >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
>> >
>> > Which points up the problem.
>> > Since the person looking for help is most likely puzzled by
>> > what "multiple instances" exactly means -
>> > what pops up is not help but more of the same.
>> >
>> > Only techies think that repeating a technical term explains it.
>> > If it was not understood the first time, then it needs to
>> > be explained or rephrased in a simple clear way when help is
>> > requested.
>> >
>> > This is not to target the program - it is merely a common fault of help
>> > files in the wake of Bill Gates (whose help files are unreadable).
>> > There are people in Australia who sometimes write good help
>> > files.
>> > The whole industry could learn.
>> >
>> > The principle in this case is don't repeat a technical term  being
>> > queried  in the answer in a help file or pop up.
>> >
>> > Bryllars
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:12 PM 1/4/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >
>> > >Greetings and Salutations From The WhyteHouse:
>> > >If you hold you cursor over the item in question then press F1, you
>will usually get the exact item in question popup
>> in
>> > >the help files. I did this and here is what it says about Multiple
>instances:
>> > >
>> > >Multiple Instances
>> > >Allows multiple instances of NoteTab to run.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >       God Bless,
>> > >     The President
>> > >Of The WhyteHouse
>> > >     AKA DimNull
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: <rbrannon@...>
>> > >To: "NoteTab Post" <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
>> > >Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:10 AM
>> > >Subject: [NTB] Allow Multiple Instances
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Ahoy NoteTabbers,
>> > >> What does the "Allow Multiple Instances" setting accomplish?
>> > >>
>> > >> Rick
>> > >>
>> > >>
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#12701 From: Hugh Coyle <hdcoyle@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 4:33 pm
Subject: RE: [NTB] Beginner
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Even worse - keeps opening a new browser -- still no file

At 07:02 PM 1/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Martyn and Others,
>
>I'm sorry, I forgot that it was down along with my other domains
>on the same server.  I do not know when they will be back up at
>this time.
>
>Try this:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntb-clipclass/files/clipclass.zip



Hugh C

#12702 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] re Alt D M
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Hi Bryllars,

>The Note Tab I use is Standard Edition

I forhet there are people that use Std/Light. ;)

>The Alt D  M  command is under the Document menu - Thankyou Jody.

You're welcome!-)  It may be helpful to those that do not know to
write that as Alt+D M as is gives the hint of pressing both keys
together.

>It it UPDATE COLUMN WRAP
>Having found this I can now figure out what it does.

Pro does that in real time, but the bottom-line is still what I
mentioned about Wrap to Column - except for one major difference.
That is, Std/Light automatically adds the hard line break which
may be nice for some for personal preference reason.  That will
certainly cause the long/short line effect that I mentioned under
wrap to column.  My domains are still down,but you can get both
the Libraries I mentioned at he following links.

reFormat.zip; 02 Jul 00; 9KB Jody Adair
http://www.notetab.com/clipbooks/reformat.zip
Text and eMail formatting tools. Many Clips and help on how to
make your own to fit your needs. Comes with Auto-Replace and a
simulated typewriter. Sounds included.

eForm'r.zip 4 KB Uploaded: 01/05/2002 Last updated: 12-07-2000
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ntb-clips/files/eForm%27r.zip
A NoteTab Library that has functional examples of Clips to
reformat text. Some eMail reformat tools are included also.

Happy Clip'n!
Jody

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#12703 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:36 pm
Subject: *Please* Delete Text and Renaming Subjects
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Hi All,

Please delete text that is not needed to understand the reply.
There is too much quoting of other replies when it is not needed.
Some siglines are very deep.  There are people that have to pay
for time on-line or by the KB downloaded.  It costs them more to
keep downloading the same thing over and over for no reason.  It
is also harder for those who reply most of the time to keep our
replies orderly and neat.  TIA

Oh, also, when a thread (a string of posts under the same
Subject) changes so that the contents of the messages no longer
match the Subject, please change the Subject.  Normally, people
will start off with the new Subject and put the old in
parenthesis starting with (was) then the old Subject.  The reason
for that is for people who are reading the thread know it has
changed Subjects or those that are filtering them to a mailbox or
to the Trash mailbox, or deleting them with the filter, that the
text they are filtering on is still there.  If it is already a
very long Subject line I will normally just start a new thread
with the text I am replying to and just the new Subject or use
(was: and a few) of the words that started the other thread
Subject.

Thanks for all that reply and ask questions, and also trying to
take the time out to do the above.

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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#12704 From: bryllars@...
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NTB] re Alt D M
bryllars@...
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>Pro does that in real time, but the bottom-line is still what I
>mentioned about Wrap to Column - except for one major difference.
>That is, Std/Light automatically adds the hard line break which
>may be nice for some for personal preference reason.  That will
>certainly cause the long/short line effect that I mentioned under
>wrap to column.

Thanks Jody.

#12705 From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 6:57 pm
Subject: About Help Files
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Hi All,

(LaurieK, I was not picking on you about not deleting text not
needed to understand your reply.  If you or others need to have
the text there to reply to which I do, I just delete as I go and
remove all signature lines.)

Here is my two cents on Help files, and that is all it is, my
opinion whether you agree with me or not.  For those of you who
are not reading the Help file threads, you can now filter on the
words in this Subject or simply delete them.  There is a link to
the latest edition of the NoteTab Glossary at the end of this
post in case you are interested.

As I have mentioned, NoteTab's Help file will be rewritten for
version five.  Please send all comments about the Help file to
feedback@... or to ntb-nextrelease@yahoogroups.com for
best results to get your wishes to be noticed.  Other than the
Next Release list, all you complaints, wished, etc. will not
necessarily be addressed or even seen.  They will be considered
if sent to the above addresses though and Eric of course has the
final say so on what is done.

Help files are not all that easy to write.  For starters,
sometimes people have a false ideas that they are tutorials that
tell you how to do things.  That is not the case nor purpose of a
Help file. A Help file is intended to give the basic idea of what
a feature does, not on what can be done with it.  The latter is
more of a tutorial's function, or perhaps in a "How To" section of
Help.  Any extra information in a Help file is more of gravy on top
than a part of a true Help file.

As far as the contents of a Help file goes, it is extremely hard
to find a happy middle ground that gives the basic help needed
for newbies and also not put expert users to sleep and give them
the more technical information they need.  Repeating a term in
the contents of any type of dictionary, Help file, glossary, etc.
is a basic language rule not to do.  I'm sure Eric is aware of that.

I find that with most Help files that I search for things in when
I new to the program (and especially so when I was a new computer
user) that they were too hard to understand at first.  By the
time I figured a lot of stuff out on my own, I then found/find
most Helps files to be way too basic.  Fortunately for us,Eric
has done a fantastic job overall with the Help file and some of
those that have sent him suggestions an rewrote parts of it.  Ray
Fitzgerald comes to mind, and there are others.  Personally, when
I have a complaint or see something that needs to be done, I send
in my suggestion to what I think should be changed with the exact
text that I think would make it better so that whoever the author
is of what I am trying to see changed already has the base to add
to his work with some possible changes.

If one goes into detail having to explain words that can
be looked up in NoteTab's Glossary (in this case) or a standard
dictionary is a waist of time both on the author and the readers.
It really depends on the audience on what level a Help file,
tutorial, Speech, or whatever on what degree or level it is
written or said on. Some technical terms in NoteTab are very
widespread in computer Help files, tutorials, on-line computer
dictionaries and a lot of them are in standard dictionaries.

One will eventually need to know what they mean, such as
"multiple instances" and more damage is done in spelling
everything out in words that are not necessary than there is to
leave it with common terms, although they may not be common to
the whole audience.  In that case it is up to the minority to do
their homework and not try to drag down everybody else by
insisting things be done in a different manner. I do not try to
take multiplication before addition, less I am lost with
terminology and if I did,it would be my requirement to learn the
terms that should be know on my own.  I've tried to add as many
to the glossary that I see questions asked about, but some terms
pop up that I do not have listed yet. About 50% of the glossary
was written by the NoteTabbers listed in the acknowledgements and
I have done the rest.

You will find "multiple instances" and "instance" along with
maybe 20 other words and more cross references in the latest
NoteTab Glossary.  I did not get it to Eric for the latest update
in time,but I do work to it when I can.  Write me at
feedback@... if you have comments on it.  As explained in
it, it is mostly for new users of NoteTab and also not to go into
too long of detail.  There are a number of on-lime dictionaries
listed in the - Dictionaries heading so if a term you may be
looking for is not there, you can find the definition on-line.

glossary.zip 37 KB Uploaded by notetabber on 01/05/2002
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This edition of NoteTab's Glossary (installed in NoteTab's main
folder and accessed from the Help menu) is Edition 1.7 last
updated on 01-05-2002.

If you use WordWeb in lieu of NoteTab's thesaurus you will find
it very easy to look up a lot of terms.  There is a freeware and
inexpensive shareware version.  You can edit the latter.  See
Third Party Products in Help for more information.

Happy NoteTab'n,
Jody Adair

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