John,

Thanks for the advice.

I actually shut UAC off entirely, but it's still happening.

I also completely uninstalled all versions of NTP and reinstalled NTP 7 in a
non-default, new directory -- it's still doing it.

Can you clarify what you mean when you say "edit the .ini file (using a
different editor)  to ensure it uses the local copy" -- I found the .ini file
buried in the Windows 7 crap, but is it just a matter of changing the two fields
you listed, or am I looking for a setting that has a full path to the .ini file
listed or something?

Also, what I've noticed is this is all isolated to ONLY the Paste function. I
can still copy from NTP and paste into any other app. Even if I look at the menu
in NTP, it shows "paste" as an option after I copy -- it's just when I actually
paste, nothing goes into NTP, but will go anywhere else, into any other app.

So it's just paste, just into NTP, and it's not a problem in anything or
anywhere else.

ARGH!!

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> It is most likely that Microsoft's UAC rules are preventing your pasting.
>
> I would move NoteTab out of C:\Program Files. Since Vista, Microsoft has
protected that folder, making many older
> applications work in unusual ways or not at all. I install NoteTab and many
other programs in C:\Programs, a folder I
> created. This also makes it easier to separate these programs from other
Windows programs in the registry, if you decide
> you want to change anything there. Then, right click the NoteTab.exe file and
choose properties, compatibility, and
> choose 'always run as administrator'. That will make it work like it worked in
XP. Well, if you aren't using an
> administrator's user account, you might still have problems. Microsoft's rules
are murky about exactly what it permits
> for various types of user accounts, and they mean different things in
different operating systems.
>
> I also move the NoteTab.ini file local to the NoteTab folder, and edit the
.ini file (using a different editor)  to
> ensure it uses the local copy, and not a copy stored elsewhere in
C:\users�..\....\....\....\....\....\ etc. How I hate
> that!
> You change these setting as I have them:
> UseRegistry=0
> UseProfileFolder=0
> Then save. Now, everything that happens with NoteTab will happen in its own
folders, and there will be less confusion
> about which library files it is using, etc. (Confusion, because Windows moves
new copies of library files into shadow
> storage, and uses them from there.)
>
> I would first eliminate Microsoft's heavy hand on applications before looking
further. If it won't paste after that, I'd
> not only be surprised, but would begin to suspect the installation of the
operating system or physical ram problems. You
> should even be able to copy Unicode into NoteTab.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 07:04
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> I've been a huge fan of NoteTab Pro for many, many years. It's an integrated
part of my workflow.
>
> I recently bought a new laptop and was forced into Windows 7. And since then,
I'm experiencing a problem with copying
> and pasting in NoteTab. I figured it was because I was still using NoteTab Pro
4.83 and just upgraded to NoteTab Pro
> 7.01/fv, but I'm still having the same problem after the upgrade.
>
> I begin cutting from various apps into NTP and everything is working fine.
Then, suddenly -- and it's not the same
> source app all the time -- when I go to paste into NTP, it acts as if nothing
is in the clipboard.
>
> Once this happens, NOTHING will paste into NTP. Not even if the text is copied
from within NTP. And it's not the
> clipboard in general, because even when the text won't paste into NTP, right
at that same moment, I can paste and paste
> that same text into every other app I have open. It's literally only NTP
that's not recognizing the clipboard text.
>
> I'm not using the Pasteboard, although I've tested and the same thing
eventually happens there. I'm not using any
> utilities or special tools related to the clipboard. I'm not using any custom
libraries or clips. Just CTL-C and CTL-V
> or cut & paste from the menu. I also have tried closing all the Libraries, as
was suggested in another thread -- no
> luck.
>
> A reboot solves the problem, but possibly only for a handful of pastes and
then it stops working again. I can't reboot
> every couple times I need to cut & paste! (ha)
>
> This is driving me insane and really disrupting my workflow. I don't want to
switch to another product after all these
> years. Has anyone seen this before? Or do you have ideas of how to fix it?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Pam,

No luck....

Disk Error Check showing no errors of any kind.
The disk showed 0% defragmentation, but I ran defrag anyway.
My hard drive is almost 50% empty -- many, many gigs of open space.

I'm still having the problem, but thanks for the suggestions.

You can't edit NoteTAb's .ini file using NoteTAb, because it will overwrite it
when it closes. So, with NoteTab closed,
edit the .ini file with Notepad, or any other text editor and make the changes I
indicated. Then, of course, place the
ini file with the NoteTab executable. Once that is done, it will use only
folders local to NoteTAb.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 14:26
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


John,

Thanks for the advice.

I actually shut UAC off entirely, but it's still happening.

I also completely uninstalled all versions of NTP and reinstalled NTP 7 in a
non-default, new directory -- it's still
doing it.

Can you clarify what you mean when you say "edit the .ini file (using a
different editor) to ensure it uses the local
copy" -- I found the .ini file buried in the Windows 7 crap, but is it just a
matter of changing the two fields you
listed, or am I looking for a setting that has a full path to the .ini file
listed or something?

Also, what I've noticed is this is all isolated to ONLY the Paste function. I
can still copy from NTP and paste into any
other app. Even if I look at the menu in NTP, it shows "paste" as an option
after I copy -- it's just when I actually
paste, nothing goes into NTP, but will go anywhere else, into any other app.

So it's just paste, just into NTP, and it's not a problem in anything or
anywhere else.

ARGH!!

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> It is most likely that Microsoft's UAC rules are preventing your pasting.
>
> I would move NoteTab out of C:\Program Files. Since Vista, Microsoft has
protected that folder, making many older
> applications work in unusual ways or not at all. I install NoteTab and many
other programs in C:\Programs, a folder I
> created. This also makes it easier to separate these programs from other
Windows programs in the registry, if you
decide
> you want to change anything there. Then, right click the NoteTab.exe file and
choose properties, compatibility, and
> choose 'always run as administrator'. That will make it work like it worked in
XP. Well, if you aren't using an
> administrator's user account, you might still have problems. Microsoft's rules
are murky about exactly what it permits
> for various types of user accounts, and they mean different things in
different operating systems.
>
> I also move the NoteTab.ini file local to the NoteTab folder, and edit the
.ini file (using a different editor) to
> ensure it uses the local copy, and not a copy stored elsewhere in
C:\users�..\....\....\....\....\....\ etc. How I
hate
> that!
> You change these setting as I have them:
> UseRegistry=0
> UseProfileFolder=0
> Then save. Now, everything that happens with NoteTab will happen in its own
folders, and there will be less confusion
> about which library files it is using, etc. (Confusion, because Windows moves
new copies of library files into shadow
> storage, and uses them from there.)
>
> I would first eliminate Microsoft's heavy hand on applications before looking
further. If it won't paste after that,
I'd
> not only be surprised, but would begin to suspect the installation of the
operating system or physical ram problems.
You
> should even be able to copy Unicode into NoteTab.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site: <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of robanderson139
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 07:04
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> I've been a huge fan of NoteTab Pro for many, many years. It's an integrated
part of my workflow.
>
> I recently bought a new laptop and was forced into Windows 7. And since then,
I'm experiencing a problem with copying
> and pasting in NoteTab. I figured it was because I was still using NoteTab Pro
4.83 and just upgraded to NoteTab Pro
> 7.01/fv, but I'm still having the same problem after the upgrade.
>
> I begin cutting from various apps into NTP and everything is working fine.
Then, suddenly -- and it's not the same
> source app all the time -- when I go to paste into NTP, it acts as if nothing
is in the clipboard.
>
> Once this happens, NOTHING will paste into NTP. Not even if the text is copied
from within NTP. And it's not the
> clipboard in general, because even when the text won't paste into NTP, right
at that same moment, I can paste and
paste
> that same text into every other app I have open. It's literally only NTP
that's not recognizing the clipboard text.
>
> I'm not using the Pasteboard, although I've tested and the same thing
eventually happens there. I'm not using any
> utilities or special tools related to the clipboard. I'm not using any custom
libraries or clips. Just CTL-C and CTL-V
> or cut & paste from the menu. I also have tried closing all the Libraries, as
was suggested in another thread -- no
> luck.
>
> A reboot solves the problem, but possibly only for a handful of pastes and
then it stops working again. I can't reboot
> every couple times I need to cut & paste! (ha)
>
> This is driving me insane and really disrupting my workflow. I don't want to
switch to another product after all these
> years. Has anyone seen this before? Or do you have ideas of how to fix it?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, John! Yeah, I definitely wasn't trying to edit the ini in NTP, just
making sure it was just those two attributes you mentioned.

So, I've got the .ini with the reinstalled, relocated version moved and I edited
both

UseRegistry=0
UseProfileFolder=0

Also redirected everything else in the ini locally (like the path for Templates)
and nuked everything NTP-related out of that c:/users/.../..../... crap
location. Also now verified that the ini is updating properly in the new local
folder.

OK, now let's see if that solves the problem! I'll report back here either way.




--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> You can't edit NoteTAb's .ini file using NoteTAb, because it will overwrite it
when it closes. So, with NoteTab closed,
> edit the .ini file with Notepad, or any other text editor and make the changes
I indicated. Then, of course, place the
> ini file with the NoteTab executable. Once that is done, it will use only
folders local to NoteTAb.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 14:26
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> I actually shut UAC off entirely, but it's still happening.
>
> I also completely uninstalled all versions of NTP and reinstalled NTP 7 in a
non-default, new directory -- it's still
> doing it.
>
> Can you clarify what you mean when you say "edit the .ini file (using a
different editor) to ensure it uses the local
> copy" -- I found the .ini file buried in the Windows 7 crap, but is it just a
matter of changing the two fields you
> listed, or am I looking for a setting that has a full path to the .ini file
listed or something?
>
> Also, what I've noticed is this is all isolated to ONLY the Paste function. I
can still copy from NTP and paste into any
> other app. Even if I look at the menu in NTP, it shows "paste" as an option
after I copy -- it's just when I actually
> paste, nothing goes into NTP, but will go anywhere else, into any other app.
>
> So it's just paste, just into NTP, and it's not a problem in anything or
anywhere else.
>
> ARGH!!
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@> wrote:
> >
> > It is most likely that Microsoft's UAC rules are preventing your pasting.
> >
> > I would move NoteTab out of C:\Program Files. Since Vista, Microsoft has
protected that folder, making many older
> > applications work in unusual ways or not at all. I install NoteTab and many
other programs in C:\Programs, a folder I
> > created. This also makes it easier to separate these programs from other
Windows programs in the registry, if you
> decide
> > you want to change anything there. Then, right click the NoteTab.exe file
and choose properties, compatibility, and
> > choose 'always run as administrator'. That will make it work like it worked
in XP. Well, if you aren't using an
> > administrator's user account, you might still have problems. Microsoft's
rules are murky about exactly what it permits
> > for various types of user accounts, and they mean different things in
different operating systems.
> >
> > I also move the NoteTab.ini file local to the NoteTab folder, and edit the
.ini file (using a different editor) to
> > ensure it uses the local copy, and not a copy stored elsewhere in
C:\users�..\....\....\....\....\....\ etc. How I
> hate
> > that!
> > You change these setting as I have them:
> > UseRegistry=0
> > UseProfileFolder=0
> > Then save. Now, everything that happens with NoteTab will happen in its own
folders, and there will be less confusion
> > about which library files it is using, etc. (Confusion, because Windows
moves new copies of library files into shadow
> > storage, and uses them from there.)
> >
> > I would first eliminate Microsoft's heavy hand on applications before
looking further. If it won't paste after that,
> I'd
> > not only be surprised, but would begin to suspect the installation of the
operating system or physical ram problems.
> You
> > should even be able to copy Unicode into NoteTab.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > RecipeTools Web Site: <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
> >
> > From: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of robanderson139
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 07:04
> > To: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
> >
> >
> > I've been a huge fan of NoteTab Pro for many, many years. It's an integrated
part of my workflow.
> >
> > I recently bought a new laptop and was forced into Windows 7. And since
then, I'm experiencing a problem with copying
> > and pasting in NoteTab. I figured it was because I was still using NoteTab
Pro 4.83 and just upgraded to NoteTab Pro
> > 7.01/fv, but I'm still having the same problem after the upgrade.
> >
> > I begin cutting from various apps into NTP and everything is working fine.
Then, suddenly -- and it's not the same
> > source app all the time -- when I go to paste into NTP, it acts as if
nothing is in the clipboard.
> >
> > Once this happens, NOTHING will paste into NTP. Not even if the text is
copied from within NTP. And it's not the
> > clipboard in general, because even when the text won't paste into NTP, right
at that same moment, I can paste and
> paste
> > that same text into every other app I have open. It's literally only NTP
that's not recognizing the clipboard text.
> >
> > I'm not using the Pasteboard, although I've tested and the same thing
eventually happens there. I'm not using any
> > utilities or special tools related to the clipboard. I'm not using any
custom libraries or clips. Just CTL-C and CTL-V
> > or cut & paste from the menu. I also have tried closing all the Libraries,
as was suggested in another thread -- no
> > luck.
> >
> > A reboot solves the problem, but possibly only for a handful of pastes and
then it stops working again. I can't reboot
> > every couple times I need to cut & paste! (ha)
> >
> > This is driving me insane and really disrupting my workflow. I don't want to
switch to another product after all these
> > years. Has anyone seen this before? Or do you have ideas of how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will overwrite it
when it closes.

One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself.  One just needs to
run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a clip when done editing and before closing
NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized prior to the .ini file being
overwritten.

Wayne VanWeerthuizen

Just for the record ... another method if you are clip-phobic ...I knew
this technique existed but had forgotten the name required:

  From Help - Tips and How to
   - I re-found it ;-)   by searching for [edit "notetab.ini"]
(unfortunately [edit "notepro.ini"] gets no hits -see the quote below)
>
> If you are very familiar with INI files, you can edit NoteTab's own
> INI file like any other document. To have your changes taken into
> account when you reopen NoteTab, you must rename the file by adding an
> exclamation mark in front of the name (e.g. !NoteTab.INI). Next time
> you run NoteTab, the content of the renamed INI file will be used.
>
So after editing the notepro.ini (Notetab Pro) or notetab.ini (Light or
Standard) save as .... with preceding exclamation mark in same folder as
the notepro.ini or notetab.ini and on next start NoteTab will notice
that file exists and use its contents to replace the one auto-saved when
you exit.

Notwithstanding that .... my normal method to edit the ini file would
normally be to edit it in NotePAD.



On 2012-09-26 20:38, Wayne wrote:
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
> >
> > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will
> overwrite it when it closes.
>
> One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just
> needs to run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a clip when done editing
> and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized prior to
> the .ini file being overwritten.
--
Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I did not know that. Thanks. I use EditPad Pro trial, and have for years, as the
alternate to NoteTab. It is a full
Unicode editor, and shows hex double byte so you can be sure of what NoteTab is
seeing. You can also save as needed, so
that you bypass the problems of NoteTab and Unicode files. When saved by EditPad
pro, you have a file that NoteTAb will
handle correctly.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alec
Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 18:21
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


Just for the record ... another method if you are clip-phobic ...I knew
this technique existed but had forgotten the name required:

From Help - Tips and How to
- I re-found it ;-) by searching for [edit "notetab.ini"]
(unfortunately [edit "notepro.ini"] gets no hits -see the quote below)
>
> If you are very familiar with INI files, you can edit NoteTab's own
> INI file like any other document. To have your changes taken into
> account when you reopen NoteTab, you must rename the file by adding an
> exclamation mark in front of the name (e.g. !NoteTab.INI). Next time
> you run NoteTab, the content of the renamed INI file will be used.
>
So after editing the notepro.ini (Notetab Pro) or notetab.ini (Light or
Standard) save as .... with preceding exclamation mark in same folder as
the notepro.ini or notetab.ini and on next start NoteTab will notice
that file exists and use its contents to replace the one auto-saved when
you exit.

Notwithstanding that .... my normal method to edit the ini file would
normally be to edit it in NotePAD.

On 2012-09-26 20:38, Wayne wrote:
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
> >
> > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will
> overwrite it when it closes.
>
> One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just
> needs to run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a clip when done editing
> and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized prior to
> the .ini file being overwritten.
--
Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, of course there ways around NoteTab's behavior, but we weren't talking
about changing it with clips. I use clips
to change it all the time, but know the rules. You can NOT edit the .ini file in
NoteTab, as I stated, and save it,
without NoteTab overwriting your changes when it is closed UNLESS you also take
other steps to prevent those changes
being overwritten. I doubt most people have a clip written that accepts changes
to the .ini file and then saves the ini
file changes to disk AND THEN reads the the .ini file back into memory before
closing NoteTAb, which is exactly what
must be done. Failure to do all of those steps will simply let NT overwrite the
.ini file with what is in memory – which
is what it started with, provided the memory version was not forcefully updated.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 17:38
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv




--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will overwrite it
when it closes.

One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just needs to
run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a clip
when done editing and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized
prior to the .ini file being overwritten.

Wayne VanWeerthuizen



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey John & everyone -- good to know. In any case, I edited the ini in Notepad
and have the program entirely relocated and contained to a clean, new folder.
I've also tried all the other suggested fixes in this thread, from checking my
disk to defragging to checking available space. I've entirely uninstalled and
reinstalled several times with no errors.

Unfortunately, I'm still having the paste problem. It worked for a few minutes
this morning, and now it's doing everything but pasting into NTP again.

I can still copy from NTP or anywhere else.

I can paste the text in the clipboard anywhere else expect NoteTab, even right
after Notetab fails to paste it into itself. And even NTP seems to recognize it
has something in the clipboard, because the Paste menu item is active. But when
I hit paste or CTL-V, nothing pastes.

Typically, the other programs I have open are MS Excel 2003 and Firefox 15.0.1,
although it doesn't seem to matter what I have open or don't.

Any other thoughts? I'm at the end of my rope here. I can't tell you how much I
don't want to give up and move to another product, but I can't reboot my
computer after every third or fifth or whatever paste...



--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> Well, of course there ways around NoteTab's behavior, but we weren't talking
about changing it with clips. I use clips
> to change it all the time, but know the rules. You can NOT edit the .ini file
in NoteTab, as I stated, and save it,
> without NoteTab overwriting your changes when it is closed UNLESS you also
take other steps to prevent those changes
> being overwritten. I doubt most people have a clip written that accepts
changes to the .ini file and then saves the ini
> file changes to disk AND THEN reads the the .ini file back into memory before
closing NoteTAb, which is exactly what
> must be done. Failure to do all of those steps will simply let NT overwrite
the .ini file with what is in memory – which
> is what it started with, provided the memory version was not forcefully
updated.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Wayne
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 17:38
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
>
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@> wrote:
> >
> > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will overwrite
it when it closes.
>
> One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just needs to
run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a clip
> when done editing and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized
prior to the .ini file being overwritten.
>
> Wayne VanWeerthuizen
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

That eliminated a lot of possibilities.

Now it appears to be down to NoteTab itself. The first thing I would do when you
can't paste is check whether the
document is write protected. Choose Document, look at the bottom, see if it is
write protected. That would block a
paste. I'm guessing that if you paste something with binary, or Unicode in it,
it may automatically write protect the
document, which would prevent further pasting. You can verify this by
duplicating your pastes in NoteTab into another
editor like EditPad Pro. (http://www.editpadpro.com/) You can use the full
version in trial mode, and it will stay in
trial mode with a nag forever. It is my backup to NoteTAb. The reason you would
do this is to look at the data that is
pasted into each, while looking in EditPad Pro in hex mode, so you can see the
actual code along with the characters.
Unicode uses two characters per character, ASCII uses one. Since EditPad Pro
fully supports Unicode, you will be able to
see what can't be seen in NoteTab.

Another test to try is to make sure your save options in NoteTab is set to
DOS/Ascii, and at the point where it won't
paste, instead copy your open document, paste it into a new document, and save
it. That will clear out any oddball
characters. Don't use the Save As, because it won't clear it. If you can copy
your existing document to a new document,
save it, then paste the original content into THAT document, then the original
problem is that there are non-ascii
characters in one of the pastes, which then prevents subsequent pastes.

Yet another test when something won't paste is to open a brand new document, and
paste into it the data that would not
paste into the previous document. If you can paste that into a new doc, it means
the previous doc has non-ascii
characters blocking pasting. If you can't paste into a brand new document, I
would really be surprised, but do let us
know how it turns out.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 07:11
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


Hey John & everyone -- good to know. In any case, I edited the ini in Notepad
and have the program entirely relocated
and contained to a clean, new folder. I've also tried all the other suggested
fixes in this thread, from checking my
disk to defragging to checking available space. I've entirely uninstalled and
reinstalled several times with no errors.

Unfortunately, I'm still having the paste problem. It worked for a few minutes
this morning, and now it's doing
everything but pasting into NTP again.

I can still copy from NTP or anywhere else.

I can paste the text in the clipboard anywhere else expect NoteTab, even right
after Notetab fails to paste it into
itself. And even NTP seems to recognize it has something in the clipboard,
because the Paste menu item is active. But
when I hit paste or CTL-V, nothing pastes.

Typically, the other programs I have open are MS Excel 2003 and Firefox 15.0.1,
although it doesn't seem to matter what
I have open or don't.

Any other thoughts? I'm at the end of my rope here. I can't tell you how much I
don't want to give up and move to
another product, but I can't reboot my computer after every third or fifth or
whatever paste...

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> Well, of course there ways around NoteTab's behavior, but we weren't talking
about changing it with clips. I use clips
> to change it all the time, but know the rules. You can NOT edit the .ini file
in NoteTab, as I stated, and save it,
> without NoteTab overwriting your changes when it is closed UNLESS you also
take other steps to prevent those changes
> being overwritten. I doubt most people have a clip written that accepts
changes to the .ini file and then saves the
ini
> file changes to disk AND THEN reads the the .ini file back into memory before
closing NoteTAb, which is exactly what
> must be done. Failure to do all of those steps will simply let NT overwrite
the .ini file with what is in memory –
which
> is what it started with, provided the memory version was not forcefully
updated.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site: <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wayne
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 17:38
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
>
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Shotsky"
<jshotsky@> wrote:
> >
> > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will overwrite
it when it closes.
>
> One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just needs to
run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a
clip
> when done editing and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are synchronized
prior to the .ini file being
overwritten.
>
> Wayne VanWeerthuizen
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Excellent -- thanks for the ideas! I will experiment with them all and report
back. MUCH appreciated!!


--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> That eliminated a lot of possibilities.
>
> Now it appears to be down to NoteTab itself. The first thing I would do when
you can't paste is check whether the
> document is write protected. Choose Document, look at the bottom, see if it is
write protected. That would block a
> paste. I'm guessing that if you paste something with binary, or Unicode in it,
it may automatically write protect the
> document, which would prevent further pasting. You can verify this by
duplicating your pastes in NoteTab into another
> editor like EditPad Pro. (http://www.editpadpro.com/) You can use the full
version in trial mode, and it will stay in
> trial mode with a nag forever. It is my backup to NoteTAb. The reason you
would do this is to look at the data that is
> pasted into each, while looking in EditPad Pro in hex mode, so you can see the
actual code along with the characters.
> Unicode uses two characters per character, ASCII uses one. Since EditPad Pro
fully supports Unicode, you will be able to
> see what can't be seen in NoteTab.
>
> Another test to try is to make sure your save options in NoteTab is set to
DOS/Ascii, and at the point where it won't
> paste, instead copy your open document, paste it into a new document, and save
it. That will clear out any oddball
> characters. Don't use the Save As, because it won't clear it. If you can copy
your existing document to a new document,
> save it, then paste the original content into THAT document, then the original
problem is that there are non-ascii
> characters in one of the pastes, which then prevents subsequent pastes.
>
> Yet another test when something won't paste is to open a brand new document,
and paste into it the data that would not
> paste into the previous document. If you can paste that into a new doc, it
means the previous doc has non-ascii
> characters blocking pasting. If you can't paste into a brand new document, I
would really be surprised, but do let us
> know how it turns out.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 07:11
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> Hey John & everyone -- good to know. In any case, I edited the ini in Notepad
and have the program entirely relocated
> and contained to a clean, new folder. I've also tried all the other suggested
fixes in this thread, from checking my
> disk to defragging to checking available space. I've entirely uninstalled and
reinstalled several times with no errors.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm still having the paste problem. It worked for a few minutes
this morning, and now it's doing
> everything but pasting into NTP again.
>
> I can still copy from NTP or anywhere else.
>
> I can paste the text in the clipboard anywhere else expect NoteTab, even right
after Notetab fails to paste it into
> itself. And even NTP seems to recognize it has something in the clipboard,
because the Paste menu item is active. But
> when I hit paste or CTL-V, nothing pastes.
>
> Typically, the other programs I have open are MS Excel 2003 and Firefox
15.0.1, although it doesn't seem to matter what
> I have open or don't.
>
> Any other thoughts? I'm at the end of my rope here. I can't tell you how much
I don't want to give up and move to
> another product, but I can't reboot my computer after every third or fifth or
whatever paste...
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, of course there ways around NoteTab's behavior, but we weren't talking
about changing it with clips. I use clips
> > to change it all the time, but know the rules. You can NOT edit the .ini
file in NoteTab, as I stated, and save it,
> > without NoteTab overwriting your changes when it is closed UNLESS you also
take other steps to prevent those changes
> > being overwritten. I doubt most people have a clip written that accepts
changes to the .ini file and then saves the
> ini
> > file changes to disk AND THEN reads the the .ini file back into memory
before closing NoteTAb, which is exactly what
> > must be done. Failure to do all of those steps will simply let NT overwrite
the .ini file with what is in memory –
> which
> > is what it started with, provided the memory version was not forcefully
updated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > RecipeTools Web Site: <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
> >
> > From: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wayne
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 17:38
> > To: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Shotsky"
> <jshotsky@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will
overwrite it when it closes.
> >
> > One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just needs
to run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a
> clip
> > when done editing and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are
synchronized prior to the .ini file being
> overwritten.
> >
> > Wayne VanWeerthuizen
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hey John,

OK, first I checked if the documents were write protected, both before and after
a failed paste, looking at the bottom of the Documents menu. They were not.
(Which makes sense, because I'm 99.9% of the time using my own junk documents,
created new.)

Next, under Options, Documents tab, "Format - Save As" I set to "DOS/Windows".
There was no "DOS/ASCII" option, but I did note this was set to "Original"
before I re-set it. Please let me know if I didn't find the right place to do
this.

Next, once the paste failed, I copied the entire document, opened a new document
in NTP, and attempted to paste it there. I did not use "Save As" as you
instructed. No luck.

OK, but here's a GIANT clue (I think). I downloaded EditPad Pro 7 (trial
version) -- and, guess what? When NTP stops pasting, I can't paste that same
text -- or ANY text -- into EditPad EITHER! And SAME behavior. I can take that
text in the clipboard and NOT be able to paste it into NTP or EditPad, but if I
go over to MS Word, Excel, Firefox, or inside gmail, it pastes perfect! It also
pastes perfect into plain old Notepad.

For what it's worth, I've set up a shortcut that clears the clipboard (and which
I just tested again to make sure it's working) using cmd.exe, and that doesn't
do anything (other than clear the clipboard, if I paste into working
applications, now there's really nothing there.) But still no "paste love" in
either NTP or EditPad.

Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste into it
for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped pasting simultaneously.

This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?

Rob



--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "John Shotsky" <jshotsky@...> wrote:
>
> That eliminated a lot of possibilities.
>
> Now it appears to be down to NoteTab itself. The first thing I would do when
you can't paste is check whether the
> document is write protected. Choose Document, look at the bottom, see if it is
write protected. That would block a
> paste. I'm guessing that if you paste something with binary, or Unicode in it,
it may automatically write protect the
> document, which would prevent further pasting. You can verify this by
duplicating your pastes in NoteTab into another
> editor like EditPad Pro. (http://www.editpadpro.com/) You can use the full
version in trial mode, and it will stay in
> trial mode with a nag forever. It is my backup to NoteTAb. The reason you
would do this is to look at the data that is
> pasted into each, while looking in EditPad Pro in hex mode, so you can see the
actual code along with the characters.
> Unicode uses two characters per character, ASCII uses one. Since EditPad Pro
fully supports Unicode, you will be able to
> see what can't be seen in NoteTab.
>
> Another test to try is to make sure your save options in NoteTab is set to
DOS/Ascii, and at the point where it won't
> paste, instead copy your open document, paste it into a new document, and save
it. That will clear out any oddball
> characters. Don't use the Save As, because it won't clear it. If you can copy
your existing document to a new document,
> save it, then paste the original content into THAT document, then the original
problem is that there are non-ascii
> characters in one of the pastes, which then prevents subsequent pastes.
>
> Yet another test when something won't paste is to open a brand new document,
and paste into it the data that would not
> paste into the previous document. If you can paste that into a new doc, it
means the previous doc has non-ascii
> characters blocking pasting. If you can't paste into a brand new document, I
would really be surprised, but do let us
> know how it turns out.
>
> Regards,
> John
> RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
>
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 07:11
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> Hey John & everyone -- good to know. In any case, I edited the ini in Notepad
and have the program entirely relocated
> and contained to a clean, new folder. I've also tried all the other suggested
fixes in this thread, from checking my
> disk to defragging to checking available space. I've entirely uninstalled and
reinstalled several times with no errors.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm still having the paste problem. It worked for a few minutes
this morning, and now it's doing
> everything but pasting into NTP again.
>
> I can still copy from NTP or anywhere else.
>
> I can paste the text in the clipboard anywhere else expect NoteTab, even right
after Notetab fails to paste it into
> itself. And even NTP seems to recognize it has something in the clipboard,
because the Paste menu item is active. But
> when I hit paste or CTL-V, nothing pastes.
>
> Typically, the other programs I have open are MS Excel 2003 and Firefox
15.0.1, although it doesn't seem to matter what
> I have open or don't.
>
> Any other thoughts? I'm at the end of my rope here. I can't tell you how much
I don't want to give up and move to
> another product, but I can't reboot my computer after every third or fifth or
whatever paste...
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Shotsky" <jshotsky@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, of course there ways around NoteTab's behavior, but we weren't talking
about changing it with clips. I use clips
> > to change it all the time, but know the rules. You can NOT edit the .ini
file in NoteTab, as I stated, and save it,
> > without NoteTab overwriting your changes when it is closed UNLESS you also
take other steps to prevent those changes
> > being overwritten. I doubt most people have a clip written that accepts
changes to the .ini file and then saves the
> ini
> > file changes to disk AND THEN reads the the .ini file back into memory
before closing NoteTAb, which is exactly what
> > must be done. Failure to do all of those steps will simply let NT overwrite
the .ini file with what is in memory –
> which
> > is what it started with, provided the memory version was not forcefully
updated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John
> > RecipeTools Web Site: <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/
> >
> > From: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
[mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Wayne
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 17:38
> > To: notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Shotsky"
> <jshotsky@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can't edit NoteTab's .ini file using NoteTab, because it will
overwrite it when it closes.
> >
> > One can easily edit NoteTab's .ini file with NoteTab itself. One just needs
to run the ^!ProgIniLoad command via a
> clip
> > when done editing and before closing NoteTab, so the settings are
synchronized prior to the .ini file being
> overwritten.
> >
> > Wayne VanWeerthuizen
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Have you done any research on the internet for 'Windows quits pasting' to see if
that leads to some further things to try? You might
try the program mentioned here:

http://superuser.com/questions/145268/copy-paste-stops-working-on-windows-7

A bit late, but hopefully this can still help someone.

I have this exact same problem as well, on Windows 7 64-bit too. For me, I just
found out it was caused by Outlook 2007.

You can find out which application is keeping a lock on the clipboard by running
David Candy's app:
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/temp/GetOpenClipboardWindow.zip

This gives you the PID which has the lock.

Pam Erickson


-----Original Message-----
From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:15 AM
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv

Hey John,

OK, first I checked if the documents were write protected, both before and after
a failed paste, looking at the bottom of the
Documents menu. They were not. (Which makes sense, because I'm 99.9% of the time
using my own junk documents, created new.)

Next, under Options, Documents tab, "Format - Save As" I set to "DOS/Windows".
There was no "DOS/ASCII" option, but I did note this
was set to "Original" before I re-set it. Please let me know if I didn't find
the right place to do this.

Next, once the paste failed, I copied the entire document, opened a new document
in NTP, and attempted to paste it there. I did not
use "Save As" as you instructed. No luck.

OK, but here's a GIANT clue (I think). I downloaded EditPad Pro 7 (trial
version) -- and, guess what? When NTP stops pasting, I
can't paste that same text -- or ANY text -- into EditPad EITHER! And SAME
behavior. I can take that text in the clipboard and NOT
be able to paste it into NTP or EditPad, but if I go over to MS Word, Excel,
Firefox, or inside gmail, it pastes perfect! It also
pastes perfect into plain old Notepad.

For what it's worth, I've set up a shortcut that clears the clipboard (and which
I just tested again to make sure it's working)
using cmd.exe, and that doesn't do anything (other than clear the clipboard, if
I paste into working applications, now there's
really nothing there.) But still no "paste love" in either NTP or EditPad.

Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste into it
for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped
pasting simultaneously.

This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?

Rob

Hi Pam,

Thanks for the link! And, yes, I've been searching on everything I can think of.

I did download that program, and I did run it. It pops up a message that reads:

"Successfully opened and closed the clipboard. Does not appear to be any
problems."

(That's an exact quote.) So it doesn't appear there is any lock -- which makes
sense since I can paste immediately into anything other than NTP (or now
EditPad).

So frustrating. I'm back to working in plain old Notepad and it's horrible and
slow.



--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Erickson" <pam.in.wa@...> wrote:
>
> Have you done any research on the internet for 'Windows quits pasting' to see
if that leads to some further things to try? You might
> try the program mentioned here:
>
> http://superuser.com/questions/145268/copy-paste-stops-working-on-windows-7
>
> A bit late, but hopefully this can still help someone.
>
> I have this exact same problem as well, on Windows 7 64-bit too. For me, I
just found out it was caused by Outlook 2007.
>
> You can find out which application is keeping a lock on the clipboard by
running David Candy's app:
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/temp/GetOpenClipboardWindow.zip
>
> This gives you the PID which has the lock.
>
> Pam Erickson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:15 AM
> To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
> Hey John,
>
> OK, first I checked if the documents were write protected, both before and
after a failed paste, looking at the bottom of the
> Documents menu. They were not. (Which makes sense, because I'm 99.9% of the
time using my own junk documents, created new.)
>
> Next, under Options, Documents tab, "Format - Save As" I set to "DOS/Windows".
There was no "DOS/ASCII" option, but I did note this
> was set to "Original" before I re-set it. Please let me know if I didn't find
the right place to do this.
>
> Next, once the paste failed, I copied the entire document, opened a new
document in NTP, and attempted to paste it there. I did not
> use "Save As" as you instructed. No luck.
>
> OK, but here's a GIANT clue (I think). I downloaded EditPad Pro 7 (trial
version) -- and, guess what? When NTP stops pasting, I
> can't paste that same text -- or ANY text -- into EditPad EITHER! And SAME
behavior. I can take that text in the clipboard and NOT
> be able to paste it into NTP or EditPad, but if I go over to MS Word, Excel,
Firefox, or inside gmail, it pastes perfect! It also
> pastes perfect into plain old Notepad.
>
> For what it's worth, I've set up a shortcut that clears the clipboard (and
which I just tested again to make sure it's working)
> using cmd.exe, and that doesn't do anything (other than clear the clipboard,
if I paste into working applications, now there's
> really nothing there.) But still no "paste love" in either NTP or EditPad.
>
> Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste into
it for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped
> pasting simultaneously.
>
> This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?
>
> Rob
>

At 9/26/2012 02:34 PM, John wrote:
>You can't edit NoteTAb's .ini file using NoteTAb, because it will
>overwrite it when it closes. So, with NoteTab closed,
>edit the .ini file with Notepad, or any other text editor and make the
>changes I indicated. Then, of course, place the
>ini file with the NoteTab executable. Once that is done, it will use only
>folders local to NoteTAb.

Well, just to be pedantic, you actually can simply and reliably edit NTB's
INI file with NTB itself.
Just edit a copy of the INI file in NTB, close NTB and overwrite the
original with the copy.

Or any of the multitude of alternative approaches posted.

Art

At 9/27/2012 08:15 AM, Rob wrote:
>Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste
>into it for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped pasting simultaneously.
>
>This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?

I often have the situation of nothing being pasted but can trace it to the
failure of the preceding copy/cut operation. Howevr, I believe that you
have already verified that your clipboard is not empty when NTB fails to
paste.

Different apps seem to have different rules (or bugs?) for
locking/unlocking resources. As in any troubleshooting situation, when the
obvious doesn't work start looking for the non-obvious. What is unique
about your system that is causing your unique problem? Probably the
interplay between some apps or services. Start by eliminating possibilities.

1) Close all non-essential apps and run you tests. If the problems
disappears, restart the closed apps one-by-one or in groups until you find
the problem (there may be more than one or it may be a combination). You
may want to download Sysinternal's Autoruns
[http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902] to prevent apps
from loading at boot and muddying the waters - not all apps close cleanly.
[Don't change any of the services.]

2) If the problem persists with only NTB running then you are down to
Windows itself as the problem source. Boot windows in safe mode and run
your tests. If the problem now disappears, it gets a bit tricky. The
difference between safe  and normal modes is basically drivers and
services. To simulate safe mode while in regular mode requires preventing a
multitude of drivers and services from loading at boot. However, this is
somewhat dangerous as many services are essential to a successful
boot.  Hopefully, this will be unnecessary.

BTW, another tool that I highly recommend is the freeware Hex editor HxD
[http://www.mh-nexus.de]. It has a small footprint, is fast, is very
functional and has a clean and intuitive GUI. You can paste the clipboard
into HxD to verify or examine the clipboard's contents.

Art

Yes, if you open the 'remote' ini file from the C:\Users folder in NoteTab, and
save it, edited, in the NoteTab folder,
you will have achieved the same thing as editing a moved version. Then close and
reopen NTB and it will use the new,
edited one.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art
Kocsis
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:16
To: NoteTab-Basic
Subject: RE: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


At 9/26/2012 02:34 PM, John wrote:
>You can't edit NoteTAb's .ini file using NoteTAb, because it will
>overwrite it when it closes. So, with NoteTab closed,
>edit the .ini file with Notepad, or any other text editor and make the
>changes I indicated. Then, of course, place the
>ini file with the NoteTab executable. Once that is done, it will use only
>folders local to NoteTAb.

Well, just to be pedantic, you actually can simply and reliably edit NTB's
INI file with NTB itself.
Just edit a copy of the INI file in NTB, close NTB and overwrite the
original with the copy.

Or any of the multitude of alternative approaches posted.

Art



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it), and I've
hit paydirt!

Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.

NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's only certain
sites.

The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works everywhere other
than NTP) if:
I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
I have gmail open.
I have USPS.com open.
I have Dropbox open

However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a blogger site
(viewing or editing) -- it works fine.

Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working in NTP
immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open), the paste begins
working immediately again.

So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox is doing
in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.

Java? Flash?

I wish I had more web knowledge to know.

If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me know...

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, Art Kocsis <artkns@...> wrote:
>
> At 9/27/2012 08:15 AM, Rob wrote:
> >Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste
> >into it for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped pasting
simultaneously.
> >
> >This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?
>
> I often have the situation of nothing being pasted but can trace it to the
> failure of the preceding copy/cut operation. Howevr, I believe that you
> have already verified that your clipboard is not empty when NTB fails to
> paste.
>
> Different apps seem to have different rules (or bugs?) for
> locking/unlocking resources. As in any troubleshooting situation, when the
> obvious doesn't work start looking for the non-obvious. What is unique
> about your system that is causing your unique problem? Probably the
> interplay between some apps or services. Start by eliminating possibilities.
>
> 1) Close all non-essential apps and run you tests. If the problems
> disappears, restart the closed apps one-by-one or in groups until you find
> the problem (there may be more than one or it may be a combination). You
> may want to download Sysinternal's Autoruns
> [http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902] to prevent apps
> from loading at boot and muddying the waters - not all apps close cleanly.
> [Don't change any of the services.]
>
> 2) If the problem persists with only NTB running then you are down to
> Windows itself as the problem source. Boot windows in safe mode and run
> your tests. If the problem now disappears, it gets a bit tricky. The
> difference between safe  and normal modes is basically drivers and
> services. To simulate safe mode while in regular mode requires preventing a
> multitude of drivers and services from loading at boot. However, this is
> somewhat dangerous as many services are essential to a successful
> boot.  Hopefully, this will be unnecessary.
>
> BTW, another tool that I highly recommend is the freeware Hex editor HxD
> [http://www.mh-nexus.de]. It has a small footprint, is fast, is very
> functional and has a clean and intuitive GUI. You can paste the clipboard
> into HxD to verify or examine the clipboard's contents.
>
> Art
>

Good work! You can view source on those web pages to see what is different
between them and ones that don't cause a
problem. Look for doctypes, see if maybe html5 in one case, html4 in others,
etc. Flash or javascript or even java might
be involved. Try different browsers to see if it is only one browser or all of
them.

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 13:41
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it), and I've
hit paydirt!

Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.

NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's only certain
sites.

The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works everywhere other
than NTP) if:
I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
I have gmail open.
I have USPS.com open.
I have Dropbox open

However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a blogger site
(viewing or editing) -- it works fine.

Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working in NTP
immediately. But if I close that tab (and
leave Firefox open), the paste begins working immediately again.

So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox is doing
in relation to certain sites -- that's
causing this.

Java? Flash?

I wish I had more web knowledge to know.

If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me know...

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , Art Kocsis
<artkns@...> wrote:
>
> At 9/27/2012 08:15 AM, Rob wrote:
> >Also, for what it's worth, EditPad did act normal (allowing me to paste
> >into it for a while), but both NTP and EditPad stopped pasting
simultaneously.
> >
> >This is crazy and frustrating! Any thoughts in light of this?
>
> I often have the situation of nothing being pasted but can trace it to the
> failure of the preceding copy/cut operation. Howevr, I believe that you
> have already verified that your clipboard is not empty when NTB fails to
> paste.
>
> Different apps seem to have different rules (or bugs?) for
> locking/unlocking resources. As in any troubleshooting situation, when the
> obvious doesn't work start looking for the non-obvious. What is unique
> about your system that is causing your unique problem? Probably the
> interplay between some apps or services. Start by eliminating possibilities.
>
> 1) Close all non-essential apps and run you tests. If the problems
> disappears, restart the closed apps one-by-one or in groups until you find
> the problem (there may be more than one or it may be a combination). You
> may want to download Sysinternal's Autoruns
> [http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902] to prevent apps
> from loading at boot and muddying the waters - not all apps close cleanly.
> [Don't change any of the services.]
>
> 2) If the problem persists with only NTB running then you are down to
> Windows itself as the problem source. Boot windows in safe mode and run
> your tests. If the problem now disappears, it gets a bit tricky. The
> difference between safe and normal modes is basically drivers and
> services. To simulate safe mode while in regular mode requires preventing a
> multitude of drivers and services from loading at boot. However, this is
> somewhat dangerous as many services are essential to a successful
> boot. Hopefully, this will be unnecessary.
>
> BTW, another tool that I highly recommend is the freeware Hex editor HxD
> [http://www.mh-nexus.de]. It has a small footprint, is fast, is very
> functional and has a clean and intuitive GUI. You can paste the clipboard
> into HxD to verify or examine the clipboard's contents.
>
> Art
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
>
>
>       Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
>       |/Firefox/*...*
>      
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>
>
> support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> or/paste/anything into,*..*
That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.

You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable via an
option like Paste Special ...) of which format  to paste is made.

My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is somehow
invalid.

What to do next?  (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results. Same
symptoms or different?

There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it works.
In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk

Something else you might want to try:
Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful commands)
H="Paste HTML Format"
^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
HTML format from a "bad" site.

I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
whether you are a clip user Rob).

btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
produced by Microsoft Word :-(   (Though it does validate as clean)

What version of Firefox are you using?


On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> and I've hit paydirt!
>
> Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
>
> NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> only certain sites.
>
> The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works everywhere
> other than NTP) if:
> I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> I have gmail open.
> I have USPS.com open.
> I have Dropbox open
>
> However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
>
> Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> the paste begins working immediately again.
>
> So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
>
> Java? Flash?
>
> I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
>
> If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me know...
--
Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Alec,

Thanks for all those ideas/links! I will try that stuff out for sure!

Also, to answer your question, I'm using FireFox 15.0.1.

But, in the meantime, I've narrowed it down more -- and it's consistent 100% of
the time -- the problem is related to "HTTPS" sites.

If the website is HTTPS and it's the "active tab" in Firefox (minimized Firefox
or not), then pasting in NTP stops working immediately.

Even if the HTTPS site is open in another tab, if a non-HTTPS site is the tab
that has focus, then pasting begins working immediately again.

So far, I haven't found a single exception, across 15 or more various sites.

I do plan to reinstall Chrome <sigh> to see if it happens with https sites
there. That would at least let me know if it's a Firefox-specific HTTPS thing,
or an HTTPS thing in general.

Also, fwiw, the behavior seems to be exactly the same in EditPad, although I
haven't tested it as thoroughly, I've had no variation so far.

The big mystery is why is this happening on my machine and not on anyone else's?
I've checked to see if I might have some malware associated with the clipboard,
but so far, the ones I've checked for (both manually and via tools) have come up
dry...

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, Alec Burgess <buralex@...> wrote:
>
>
> Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> >
> >
> >       Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> >       |/Firefox/*...*
> >      
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>
> >
> > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
>
> You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable via an
> option like Paste Special ...) of which format  to paste is made.
>
> My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is somehow
> invalid.
>
> What to do next?  (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results. Same
> symptoms or different?
>
> There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it works.
> In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
>
> Something else you might want to try:
> Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful commands)
> H="Paste HTML Format"
> ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> HTML format from a "bad" site.
>
> I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> whether you are a clip user Rob).
>
> btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> produced by Microsoft Word :-(   (Though it does validate as clean)
>
> What version of Firefox are you using?
>
>
> On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > and I've hit paydirt!
> >
> > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> >
> > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > only certain sites.
> >
> > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works everywhere
> > other than NTP) if:
> > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > I have gmail open.
> > I have USPS.com open.
> > I have Dropbox open
> >
> > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> >
> > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > the paste begins working immediately again.
> >
> > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> >
> > Java? Flash?
> >
> > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> >
> > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me know...
> --
> Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi
Just by chance what security zone is INTERNET EXPLORER in win 7 set for ,
you may find it controls other applications ??
     THANKYOU DAVE M

----- Original Message -----
From: "robanderson139" <rob@...>
To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:03 AM
Subject: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


> I've been a huge fan of NoteTab Pro for many, many years. It's an
> integrated part of my workflow.
>
> I recently bought a new laptop and was forced into Windows 7. And since
> then, I'm experiencing a problem with copying and pasting in NoteTab. I
> figured it was because I was still using NoteTab Pro 4.83 and just
> upgraded to NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv, but I'm still having the same problem
> after the upgrade.
>
> I begin cutting from various apps into NTP and everything is working fine.
> Then, suddenly -- and it's not the same source app all the time -- when I
> go to paste into NTP, it acts as if nothing is in the clipboard.
>
> Once this happens, NOTHING will paste into NTP. Not even if the text is
> copied from within NTP. And it's not the clipboard in general, because
> even when the text won't paste into NTP, right at that same moment, I can
> paste and paste that same text into every other app I have open. It's
> literally only NTP that's not recognizing the clipboard text.
>
> I'm not using the Pasteboard, although I've tested and the same thing
> eventually happens there. I'm not using any utilities or special tools
> related to the clipboard. I'm not using any custom libraries or clips.
> Just CTL-C and CTL-V or cut & paste from the menu. I also have tried
> closing all the Libraries, as was suggested in another thread -- no luck.
>
> A reboot solves the problem, but possibly only for a handful of pastes and
> then it stops working again. I can't reboot every couple times I need to
> cut & paste! (ha)
>
> This is driving me insane and really disrupting my workflow. I don't want
> to switch to another product after all these years. Has anyone seen this
> before? Or do you have ideas of how to fix it?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
> NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
> NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
>
> ***
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I had never opened Internet Explorer on this laptop (and hope I won't have to
again -- ha), but the security zone was set to the default -- medium high. I
went ahead and set every one to the lowest possible setting, except "restricted
sites" which I left to "high."

It's still showing the same behavior, fwiw.

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dmc43959@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> Just by chance what security zone is INTERNET EXPLORER in win 7 set for ,
> you may find it controls other applications ??
>     THANKYOU DAVE M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robanderson139" <rob@...>
> To: <notetab@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:03 AM
> Subject: [NTB] Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv
>
>
> > I've been a huge fan of NoteTab Pro for many, many years. It's an
> > integrated part of my workflow.
> >
> > I recently bought a new laptop and was forced into Windows 7. And since
> > then, I'm experiencing a problem with copying and pasting in NoteTab. I
> > figured it was because I was still using NoteTab Pro 4.83 and just
> > upgraded to NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv, but I'm still having the same problem
> > after the upgrade.
> >
> > I begin cutting from various apps into NTP and everything is working fine.
> > Then, suddenly -- and it's not the same source app all the time -- when I
> > go to paste into NTP, it acts as if nothing is in the clipboard.
> >
> > Once this happens, NOTHING will paste into NTP. Not even if the text is
> > copied from within NTP. And it's not the clipboard in general, because
> > even when the text won't paste into NTP, right at that same moment, I can
> > paste and paste that same text into every other app I have open. It's
> > literally only NTP that's not recognizing the clipboard text.
> >
> > I'm not using the Pasteboard, although I've tested and the same thing
> > eventually happens there. I'm not using any utilities or special tools
> > related to the clipboard. I'm not using any custom libraries or clips.
> > Just CTL-C and CTL-V or cut & paste from the menu. I also have tried
> > closing all the Libraries, as was suggested in another thread -- no luck.
> >
> > A reboot solves the problem, but possibly only for a handful of pastes and
> > then it stops working again. I can't reboot every couple times I need to
> > cut & paste! (ha)
> >
> > This is driving me insane and really disrupting my workflow. I don't want
> > to switch to another product after all these years. Has anyone seen this
> > before? Or do you have ideas of how to fix it?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Fookes Software: http://www.fookes.com/
> > NoteTab website: http://www.notetab.com/
> > NoteTab Discussion Lists: http://www.notetab.com/groups.php
> >
> > ***
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Alec,

I spent some time with your suggestions...

I worked through the suggestions in that post about Firefox; in fact I reset
Firefox entirely, in safe mode, disabling all add-ins. No luck.

I installed Google Chrome and got the same exact behavior -- https site up; not
pasting into NTP. Https not up, pasting works.

I ran clipbrd.exe, but it just shows my copies going in (similar to the way the
Office Clipboard shows them being copied). They're there, in the clipboard, but
if an HTTPS site is open in the web browser, I can't paste into NTP still.
(Although Notepad works fine, as does everything else...other than EditPad).

I tried messing with the Paste HTML clip -- both just using it "as is" and
bringing it over into a new clip, and it operated the same. That is, if no
HTTPS, it works. If HTTPS, then it pastes nothing.

I'm about at the end of my rope with this. The problem exists across browsers
and across text editors, but nowhere else. I'm at least limping along by
watching which site I have active when I need to paste and/or not having a web
browser open (if possible) when I have heavy text editing to do.

So frustrating.

I appreciate everyone's help so much, though.



--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, Alec Burgess <buralex@...> wrote:
>
>
> Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> >
> >
> >       Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> >       |/Firefox/*...*
> >      
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>
> >
> > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
>
> You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable via an
> option like Paste Special ...) of which format  to paste is made.
>
> My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is somehow
> invalid.
>
> What to do next?  (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results. Same
> symptoms or different?
>
> There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it works.
> In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
>
> Something else you might want to try:
> Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful commands)
> H="Paste HTML Format"
> ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> HTML format from a "bad" site.
>
> I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> whether you are a clip user Rob).
>
> btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> produced by Microsoft Word :-(   (Though it does validate as clean)
>
> What version of Firefox are you using?
>
>
> On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > and I've hit paydirt!
> >
> > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> >
> > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > only certain sites.
> >
> > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works everywhere
> > other than NTP) if:
> > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > I have gmail open.
> > I have USPS.com open.
> > I have Dropbox open
> >
> > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> >
> > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > the paste begins working immediately again.
> >
> > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> >
> > Java? Flash?
> >
> > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> >
> > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me know...
> --
> Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Rob (others)
This is *very* weird. I tried to duplicate your problem copying from an
HTTPS site (eg. any google results page) in Google Chrome - I just
copied some random text from a search page and it pasted as expected in
Notetab v7.1 (the version currently getting ready to be release - will
be available here soon :-) )

Can anyone else reproduce these results? Rob has done such a great job
narrowing the test conditions it s/b easy to test on your own system.

It sounds like something peculiar to your system (if no-one else can
reproduce) but for the life of me I can't think what it might be. Hmmm
.... one thing you might be able to test. I think that if you run your
computer in Safe Mode (with Networking) you should be able to use a
browser and open Notetab and try copying from https:// and http:// and
try to reproduce the problem that way. Its unlikely to result in an
immediate solution but its one more data point that might help.

Also: Have you got another computer available or that you can get easy
access to? Now that we know you can diagnose the problem w/EditPad Pro
you wouldn't have to install Notetab at least.

re: similarity between EditPad Pro and Notetab. If you aren't ready to
just stop using computers all together and go back to pen and ink <grin>
could you try d/l'ing (free) PSPad http://www.pspad.com/. Its a free
text editor which shares some characteristics with EditPad Pro and
Notetab - there are lots of other (many free) editors but that happens
to be the one I use as my backstop to Notetab most frequently.

On 2012-09-28 17:25, robanderson139 wrote:
>
>
> Hi Alec,
>
> I spent some time with your suggestions...
>
> I worked through the suggestions in that post about Firefox; in fact I
> reset Firefox entirely, in safe mode, disabling all add-ins. No luck.
>
> I installed Google Chrome and got the same exact behavior -- https
> site up; not pasting into NTP. Https not up, pasting works.
>
> I ran clipbrd.exe, but it just shows my copies going in (similar to
> the way the Office Clipboard shows them being copied). They're there,
> in the clipboard, but if an HTTPS site is open in the web browser, I
> can't paste into NTP still. (Although Notepad works fine, as does
> everything else...other than EditPad).
>
> I tried messing with the Paste HTML clip -- both just using it "as is"
> and bringing it over into a new clip, and it operated the same. That
> is, if no HTTPS, it works. If HTTPS, then it pastes nothing.
>
> I'm about at the end of my rope with this. The problem exists across
> browsers and across text editors, but nowhere else. I'm at least
> limping along by watching which site I have active when I need to
> paste and/or not having a web browser open (if possible) when I have
> heavy text editing to do.
>
> So frustrating.
>
> I appreciate everyone's help so much, though.
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Alec Burgess <buralex@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> > >
> > >
> > > Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> > > |/Firefox/*...*
> > >
>
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg
>
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>>
> > >
> > > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> > That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> > identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> > a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> > neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> > components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
> >
> > You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> > circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> > rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable
> via an
> > option like Paste Special ...) of which format to paste is made.
> >
> > My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> > most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> > websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is
> somehow
> > invalid.
> >
> > What to do next? (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> > pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results.
> Same
> > symptoms or different?
> >
> > There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> > WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> > found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> > View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it
> works.
> > In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
> >
> > Something else you might want to try:
> > Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> > This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful
> commands)
> > H="Paste HTML Format"
> > ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> > Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> > interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> > HTML format from a "bad" site.
> >
> > I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> > but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> > whether you are a clip user Rob).
> >
> > btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> > from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> > produced by Microsoft Word :-( (Though it does validate as clean)
> >
> > What version of Firefox are you using?
> >
> >
> > On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > > and I've hit paydirt!
> > >
> > > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> > >
> > > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > > only certain sites.
> > >
> > > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works
> everywhere
> > > other than NTP) if:
> > > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > > I have gmail open.
> > > I have USPS.com open.
> > > I have Dropbox open
> > >
> > > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> > >
> > > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > > the paste begins working immediately again.
> > >
> > > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> > >
> > > Java? Flash?
> > >
> > > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> > >
> > > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me
> know...
> > --
> > Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Alec,

I will definitely give that a try -- as well as the other text editor!

Just one thing if others want to see if they can recreate the problem -- the
problem occurs if I have an https site open, but it is NOT limited to copying
and pasting from the web browser.

That is, if I have an HTTPS site open in my browser, if I go to copy from, say
Excel, and paste into NTP, it won't paste -- even though it would paste anywhere
else (e.g., MS Word, Notepad, even into the URL text box in the web browser!).

So the HTTPS site being open is a pre-condition, but copying from that HTTPS
site is not, if that makes sense.

FYI, I tried shutting of my virus software entirely, too, to see if that was the
culprit (and rebooted), but still no luck.

I am thinking it's the interaction of two or more random programs on my laptop,
but I have no idea how I'd figure out which.

I'll report back on the other stuff once I get to try it.

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, Alec Burgess <buralex@...> wrote:
>
> Rob (others)
> This is *very* weird. I tried to duplicate your problem copying from an
> HTTPS site (eg. any google results page) in Google Chrome - I just
> copied some random text from a search page and it pasted as expected in
> Notetab v7.1 (the version currently getting ready to be release - will
> be available here soon :-) )
>
> Can anyone else reproduce these results? Rob has done such a great job
> narrowing the test conditions it s/b easy to test on your own system.
>
> It sounds like something peculiar to your system (if no-one else can
> reproduce) but for the life of me I can't think what it might be. Hmmm
> .... one thing you might be able to test. I think that if you run your
> computer in Safe Mode (with Networking) you should be able to use a
> browser and open Notetab and try copying from https:// and http:// and
> try to reproduce the problem that way. Its unlikely to result in an
> immediate solution but its one more data point that might help.
>
> Also: Have you got another computer available or that you can get easy
> access to? Now that we know you can diagnose the problem w/EditPad Pro
> you wouldn't have to install Notetab at least.
>
> re: similarity between EditPad Pro and Notetab. If you aren't ready to
> just stop using computers all together and go back to pen and ink <grin>
> could you try d/l'ing (free) PSPad http://www.pspad.com/. Its a free
> text editor which shares some characteristics with EditPad Pro and
> Notetab - there are lots of other (many free) editors but that happens
> to be the one I use as my backstop to Notetab most frequently.
>
> On 2012-09-28 17:25, robanderson139 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Alec,
> >
> > I spent some time with your suggestions...
> >
> > I worked through the suggestions in that post about Firefox; in fact I
> > reset Firefox entirely, in safe mode, disabling all add-ins. No luck.
> >
> > I installed Google Chrome and got the same exact behavior -- https
> > site up; not pasting into NTP. Https not up, pasting works.
> >
> > I ran clipbrd.exe, but it just shows my copies going in (similar to
> > the way the Office Clipboard shows them being copied). They're there,
> > in the clipboard, but if an HTTPS site is open in the web browser, I
> > can't paste into NTP still. (Although Notepad works fine, as does
> > everything else...other than EditPad).
> >
> > I tried messing with the Paste HTML clip -- both just using it "as is"
> > and bringing it over into a new clip, and it operated the same. That
> > is, if no HTTPS, it works. If HTTPS, then it pastes nothing.
> >
> > I'm about at the end of my rope with this. The problem exists across
> > browsers and across text editors, but nowhere else. I'm at least
> > limping along by watching which site I have active when I need to
> > paste and/or not having a web browser open (if possible) when I have
> > heavy text editing to do.
> >
> > So frustrating.
> >
> > I appreciate everyone's help so much, though.
> >
> > --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Alec Burgess <buralex@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> > > > |/Firefox/*...*
> > > >
> >
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg
> >
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>>
> > > >
> > > > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > > > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > > > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > > > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> > > That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> > > identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> > > a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> > > neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> > > components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
> > >
> > > You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> > > circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> > > rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable
> > via an
> > > option like Paste Special ...) of which format to paste is made.
> > >
> > > My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> > > most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> > > websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is
> > somehow
> > > invalid.
> > >
> > > What to do next? (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> > > pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results.
> > Same
> > > symptoms or different?
> > >
> > > There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> > > WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> > > found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> > > View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it
> > works.
> > > In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> > > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
> > >
> > > Something else you might want to try:
> > > Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> > > This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful
> > commands)
> > > H="Paste HTML Format"
> > > ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> > > Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> > > interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> > > HTML format from a "bad" site.
> > >
> > > I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> > > but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> > > whether you are a clip user Rob).
> > >
> > > btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> > > from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> > > produced by Microsoft Word :-( (Though it does validate as clean)
> > >
> > > What version of Firefox are you using?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > > > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > > > and I've hit paydirt!
> > > >
> > > > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> > > >
> > > > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > > > only certain sites.
> > > >
> > > > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works
> > everywhere
> > > > other than NTP) if:
> > > > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > > > I have gmail open.
> > > > I have USPS.com open.
> > > > I have Dropbox open
> > > >
> > > > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > > > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> > > >
> > > > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > > > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > > > the paste begins working immediately again.
> > > >
> > > > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > > > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> > > >
> > > > Java? Flash?
> > > >
> > > > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> > > >
> > > > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me
> > know...
> > > --
> > > Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

One quick note -- same behavior in PSPad!

So, it's something that NTP, EditPad, and PSPad have in common...that
applications like MS Word, FireFox, MS Excel, Notepad don't.

The latter all work all the time. The former, no paste when I have an HTTPS site
open in the background.

It's insane. There's some program interfering with the paste function, but I
have no idea what it is.



--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, "robanderson139" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Alec,
>
> I will definitely give that a try -- as well as the other text editor!
>
> Just one thing if others want to see if they can recreate the problem -- the
problem occurs if I have an https site open, but it is NOT limited to copying
and pasting from the web browser.
>
> That is, if I have an HTTPS site open in my browser, if I go to copy from, say
Excel, and paste into NTP, it won't paste -- even though it would paste anywhere
else (e.g., MS Word, Notepad, even into the URL text box in the web browser!).
>
> So the HTTPS site being open is a pre-condition, but copying from that HTTPS
site is not, if that makes sense.
>
> FYI, I tried shutting of my virus software entirely, too, to see if that was
the culprit (and rebooted), but still no luck.
>
> I am thinking it's the interaction of two or more random programs on my
laptop, but I have no idea how I'd figure out which.
>
> I'll report back on the other stuff once I get to try it.
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com, Alec Burgess <buralex@> wrote:
> >
> > Rob (others)
> > This is *very* weird. I tried to duplicate your problem copying from an
> > HTTPS site (eg. any google results page) in Google Chrome - I just
> > copied some random text from a search page and it pasted as expected in
> > Notetab v7.1 (the version currently getting ready to be release - will
> > be available here soon :-) )
> >
> > Can anyone else reproduce these results? Rob has done such a great job
> > narrowing the test conditions it s/b easy to test on your own system.
> >
> > It sounds like something peculiar to your system (if no-one else can
> > reproduce) but for the life of me I can't think what it might be. Hmmm
> > .... one thing you might be able to test. I think that if you run your
> > computer in Safe Mode (with Networking) you should be able to use a
> > browser and open Notetab and try copying from https:// and http:// and
> > try to reproduce the problem that way. Its unlikely to result in an
> > immediate solution but its one more data point that might help.
> >
> > Also: Have you got another computer available or that you can get easy
> > access to? Now that we know you can diagnose the problem w/EditPad Pro
> > you wouldn't have to install Notetab at least.
> >
> > re: similarity between EditPad Pro and Notetab. If you aren't ready to
> > just stop using computers all together and go back to pen and ink <grin>
> > could you try d/l'ing (free) PSPad http://www.pspad.com/. Its a free
> > text editor which shares some characteristics with EditPad Pro and
> > Notetab - there are lots of other (many free) editors but that happens
> > to be the one I use as my backstop to Notetab most frequently.
> >
> > On 2012-09-28 17:25, robanderson139 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alec,
> > >
> > > I spent some time with your suggestions...
> > >
> > > I worked through the suggestions in that post about Firefox; in fact I
> > > reset Firefox entirely, in safe mode, disabling all add-ins. No luck.
> > >
> > > I installed Google Chrome and got the same exact behavior -- https
> > > site up; not pasting into NTP. Https not up, pasting works.
> > >
> > > I ran clipbrd.exe, but it just shows my copies going in (similar to
> > > the way the Office Clipboard shows them being copied). They're there,
> > > in the clipboard, but if an HTTPS site is open in the web browser, I
> > > can't paste into NTP still. (Although Notepad works fine, as does
> > > everything else...other than EditPad).
> > >
> > > I tried messing with the Paste HTML clip -- both just using it "as is"
> > > and bringing it over into a new clip, and it operated the same. That
> > > is, if no HTTPS, it works. If HTTPS, then it pastes nothing.
> > >
> > > I'm about at the end of my rope with this. The problem exists across
> > > browsers and across text editors, but nowhere else. I'm at least
> > > limping along by watching which site I have active when I need to
> > > paste and/or not having a web browser open (if possible) when I have
> > > heavy text editing to do.
> > >
> > > So frustrating.
> > >
> > > I appreciate everyone's help so much, though.
> > >
> > > --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Alec Burgess <buralex@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> > > > > |/Firefox/*...*
> > > > >
> > >
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg
> > >
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQF\
jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fquestions%2F777974&ei=Ab9kUJbwMYHj0gH\
jsoGwBw&usg=AFQjCNGcxpW4_KKPGxe-2lVusDX0VS257w&sig2=kyqwTs3vh6-JgaBoFV06Bg>>
> > > > >
> > > > > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > > > > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > > > > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > > > > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> > > > That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> > > > identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> > > > a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> > > > neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> > > > components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
> > > >
> > > > You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> > > > circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> > > > rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable
> > > via an
> > > > option like Paste Special ...) of which format to paste is made.
> > > >
> > > > My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> > > > most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> > > > websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is
> > > somehow
> > > > invalid.
> > > >
> > > > What to do next? (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> > > > pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results.
> > > Same
> > > > symptoms or different?
> > > >
> > > > There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> > > > WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> > > > found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> > > > View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it
> > > works.
> > > > In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> > > > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
> > > >
> > > > Something else you might want to try:
> > > > Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> > > > This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful
> > > commands)
> > > > H="Paste HTML Format"
> > > > ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> > > > Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> > > > interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> > > > HTML format from a "bad" site.
> > > >
> > > > I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> > > > but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> > > > whether you are a clip user Rob).
> > > >
> > > > btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> > > > from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> > > > produced by Microsoft Word :-( (Though it does validate as clean)
> > > >
> > > > What version of Firefox are you using?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > > > > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > > > > and I've hit paydirt!
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> > > > >
> > > > > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > > > > only certain sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works
> > > everywhere
> > > > > other than NTP) if:
> > > > > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > > > > I have gmail open.
> > > > > I have USPS.com open.
> > > > > I have Dropbox open
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > > > > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > > > > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > > > > the paste begins working immediately again.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > > > > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Java? Flash?
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me
> > > know...
> > > > --
> > > > Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Followup:
Just read your post while composing this:
> One quick note -- same behavior in PSPad!
>
> So, it's something that NTP, EditPad, and PSPad have in common...that
> applications like MS Word, FireFox, MS Excel, Notepad don't.
>
> The latter all work all the time. The former, no paste when I have an
> HTTPS site open in the background.
>
> It's insane. There's some program interfering with the paste function,
> but I have no idea what it is.

I think I've at least got closer to the problem .... read on ... :-)

This google search [clipboard copy paste fails  intext:"https site"]
gets some interesting results.
First one I checked
was:http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-275293.html
>
>
>       feature suggestion for onlinesecurity - Wilders Security Forums
>      
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QF\
jAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilderssecurity.com%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-275293.ht\
ml&ei=oiRmUM-HLoT29gTXqoC4AQ&usg=AFQjCNHps2NDmQUTeggbZvaoAOrAHN4Y4A&sig2=1zH_xcP\
6DC2WX9BLQasJPw&cad=rja>
>
> www.wilderssecurity.com > ... >Prevx Releases
>
<https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php\
/f-105.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=oiRmUM-HLoT29gTXqoC4AQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC4Q6QUoADAC&q=clipb\
oard+copy+paste+fails++intext:%22https+site%22&usg=AFQjCNHqpU59oFPqxJPolXwEtdpxq\
6qWxg>Share
> 7 posts - 4 authors - 19 Jun 2010
> I often have to/copy/something from the web-browser to my mail client
> or my SQL editor.*...*As workaround I found out that/pasting/the text
> into a text file w/ notepad open works.*...*to allow them to access
> your/clipboard/without a/problem/.*...*If I have an/https site/open in
> a browser window somewhere, even if*...*
It seems there is some concept of protecting the clipboard when a copy
is made from an HTTPS:// site because (I think) some malware/security
holes *might* be able to use remote-clipboard features (of which I have
*NO* understanding :-) ) to get access to stuff like banking details.

In the context of above link this comment:
> Personally, I find it interferes with my productivity to not be able
> to copy and paste across my applications (without explicitly
> whitelisting them). If I have an https site open in a browser window
> somewhere, even if it's minimized, it keeps me from doing my work. It
> isn't practical to always be turning the security on and off. And
> since clipboard protection is at one of the lowest levels, I'd have to
> crank everything down to the lowest level to avoid this issue.
sure sounds like what you are experiencing (but in the context of a
specific security application Prevx). http://www.prevx.com/
>
>
>       /Prevx/- Customer and Network Security and Breach Management
>       <http://www.prevx.com/>
>
> www.*prevx*.com/
> /Prevx/- we see more malware and spyware, we see it faster, we protect
> you better. Download/Prevx/for PC protection.


Now we *JUST* <smile> have to find out how it applies to your specific
situation.

In the interim - the workaround suggested on one of the links I browser
(can't find it now) of keeping an instance of NotePAD open, when you
know that you have an https site open copy from it, paste to Notepad
then re-copy then paste to where you really want it (Notetab).

  From what I skimmed on some of those pages ... and depending on what
email client you use(which one is it?) you might  discover you also have
problems posting directly in an email you are composing.

Regards ... Alec   (buralex@gmail&  WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The following thread has a number of different solutions to the problem of
broken copy/paste. Hopefully, one of them
applies to your problem.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itprogeneral/thread/5bbc11e8-ca2\
d-41ac-b640-d66ce971f58f

Regards,
John
RecipeTools Web Site:  <http://recipetools.gotdns.com/>
http://recipetools.gotdns.com/

From: notetab@yahoogroups.com [mailto:notetab@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
robanderson139
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 15:50
To: notetab@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NTB] Re: Copy and Paste Problems with NoteTab Pro 7.01/fv


One quick note -- same behavior in PSPad!

So, it's something that NTP, EditPad, and PSPad have in common...that
applications like MS Word, FireFox, MS Excel,
Notepad don't.

The latter all work all the time. The former, no paste when I have an HTTPS site
open in the background.

It's insane. There's some program interfering with the paste function, but I
have no idea what it is.

--- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"robanderson139" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Alec,
>
> I will definitely give that a try -- as well as the other text editor!
>
> Just one thing if others want to see if they can recreate the problem -- the
problem occurs if I have an https site
open, but it is NOT limited to copying and pasting from the web browser.
>
> That is, if I have an HTTPS site open in my browser, if I go to copy from, say
Excel, and paste into NTP, it won't
paste -- even though it would paste anywhere else (e.g., MS Word, Notepad, even
into the URL text box in the web
browser!).
>
> So the HTTPS site being open is a pre-condition, but copying from that HTTPS
site is not, if that makes sense.
>
> FYI, I tried shutting of my virus software entirely, too, to see if that was
the culprit (and rebooted), but still no
luck.
>
> I am thinking it's the interaction of two or more random programs on my
laptop, but I have no idea how I'd figure out
which.
>
> I'll report back on the other stuff once I get to try it.
>
> --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> , Alec
Burgess <buralex@> wrote:
> >
> > Rob (others)
> > This is *very* weird. I tried to duplicate your problem copying from an
> > HTTPS site (eg. any google results page) in Google Chrome - I just
> > copied some random text from a search page and it pasted as expected in
> > Notetab v7.1 (the version currently getting ready to be release - will
> > be available here soon :-) )
> >
> > Can anyone else reproduce these results? Rob has done such a great job
> > narrowing the test conditions it s/b easy to test on your own system.
> >
> > It sounds like something peculiar to your system (if no-one else can
> > reproduce) but for the life of me I can't think what it might be. Hmmm
> > .... one thing you might be able to test. I think that if you run your
> > computer in Safe Mode (with Networking) you should be able to use a
> > browser and open Notetab and try copying from https:// and http:// and
> > try to reproduce the problem that way. Its unlikely to result in an
> > immediate solution but its one more data point that might help.
> >
> > Also: Have you got another computer available or that you can get easy
> > access to? Now that we know you can diagnose the problem w/EditPad Pro
> > you wouldn't have to install Notetab at least.
> >
> > re: similarity between EditPad Pro and Notetab. If you aren't ready to
> > just stop using computers all together and go back to pen and ink <grin>
> > could you try d/l'ing (free) PSPad http://www.pspad.com/.
<http://www.pspad.com/>  Its a free
> > text editor which shares some characteristics with EditPad Pro and
> > Notetab - there are lots of other (many free) editors but that happens
> > to be the one I use as my backstop to Notetab most frequently.
> >
> > On 2012-09-28 17:25, robanderson139 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alec,
> > >
> > > I spent some time with your suggestions...
> > >
> > > I worked through the suggestions in that post about Firefox; in fact I
> > > reset Firefox entirely, in safe mode, disabling all add-ins. No luck.
> > >
> > > I installed Google Chrome and got the same exact behavior -- https
> > > site up; not pasting into NTP. Https not up, pasting works.
> > >
> > > I ran clipbrd.exe, but it just shows my copies going in (similar to
> > > the way the Office Clipboard shows them being copied). They're there,
> > > in the clipboard, but if an HTTPS site is open in the web browser, I
> > > can't paste into NTP still. (Although Notepad works fine, as does
> > > everything else...other than EditPad).
> > >
> > > I tried messing with the Paste HTML clip -- both just using it "as is"
> > > and bringing it over into a new clip, and it operated the same. That
> > > is, if no HTTPS, it works. If HTTPS, then it pastes nothing.
> > >
> > > I'm about at the end of my rope with this. The problem exists across
> > > browsers and across text editors, but nowhere else. I'm at least
> > > limping along by watching which site I have active when I need to
> > > paste and/or not having a web browser open (if possible) when I have
> > > heavy text editing to do.
> > >
> > > So frustrating.
> > >
> > > I appreciate everyone's help so much, though.
> > >
> > > --- In notetab@yahoogroups.com <mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com> 
<mailto:notetab%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Alec Burgess <buralex@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob: Googling [Windows quits pasting firefox] leads to
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Copy//paste stops/working after a short amount of time
> > > > > |/Firefox/*...*
> > > > >
> > > <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t
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> > > <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t
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jAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org
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6Bg>>
> > > > >
> > > > > support.mozilla.org/questions/777974Share
> > > > > 26 Jan 2011 --I'm using/firefox/beta 9 on/windows/xp pro sp2. Since
> > > > > beta 8, copy//paste stops/working after a short time. I can not copy
> > > > > or/paste/anything into,*..*
> > > > That fairly old thread seems to describe your problem but w/o the
> > > > identification of specific websites and some other comments about using
> > > > a fresh profile, trying safe-mode (to verify its not an extension)
> > > > neither of which seemed to be the problem, also about updating some
> > > > components and plugins ... there might be some inspiration there.
> > > >
> > > > You probably know that a copy in a given application may (depending on
> > > > circumstances) load multiple data types on the clipboard and that per
> > > > rules in the receiving application a choice (sometimes selectable
> > > via an
> > > > option like Paste Special ...) of which format to paste is made.
> > > >
> > > > My diagnosis based on what you describe and your ability to paste into
> > > > most apps but not into EditpadPro or Notetab after copying from certain
> > > > websites is that the data is there but the "preferred format" is
> > > somehow
> > > > invalid.
> > > >
> > > > What to do next? (1) If you have Google Chrome (or can get it) try copy
> > > > pastes from "good" webpages and "bad webpages" per Firefox results.
> > > Same
> > > > symptoms or different?
> > > >
> > > > There is an program clipbrd.exe installed in C:\Windows\System32 on
> > > > WinXP (but not on Win7 AFAICT) which identifies the various formats
> > > > found on the clipboard (and also allows you to save them etc) on its
> > > > View menu. I've copied it to my Win-7 system and can verify that it
> > > works.
> > > > In case its useful I've put a copy on my Google Drive for download:
> > > > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxZZowwJ_Hv-NDZfbk9MeENrclk
> > > >
> > > > Something else you might want to try:
> > > > Latest V7 of Notetab supports pasting in HTML format.
> > > > This clip (in Library HTML-CSS - its at the bottom under useful
> > > commands)
> > > > H="Paste HTML Format"
> > > > ^!SetPasteHtml ^?[Paste HTML format from Clipboard=_True|False]
> > > > Allows you to set pasting in HTML format ON or OFF - It would be
> > > > interesting to see what if anything you get if you attempt a paste in
> > > > HTML format from a "bad" site.
> > > >
> > > > I found this clip useful enough that I've put it on my default Clipbar
> > > > but you don't need to know anything about clips to use it. (not sure
> > > > whether you are a clip user Rob).
> > > >
> > > > btw: Has anyone else noticed that copying and pasting in HTML format
> > > > from Google Chrome has all sorts of "fluff" - seems as bad as HTML
> > > > produced by Microsoft Word :-( (Though it does validate as clean)
> > > >
> > > > What version of Firefox are you using?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2012-09-27 16:41, robanderson139 wrote:
> > > > > Thanks, Art! I've been doing that very thing (trying to isolate it),
> > > > > and I've hit paydirt!
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the deal -- and it's been 100% consistent.
> > > > >
> > > > > NTP works fine until I open Firefox to certain websites -- but it's
> > > > > only certain sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > The paste in NTP stops working immediately (but still works
> > > everywhere
> > > > > other than NTP) if:
> > > > > I have Google.com open (whether signed in or not).
> > > > > I have gmail open.
> > > > > I have USPS.com open.
> > > > > I have Dropbox open
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if I have many other sites open -- say, Delphi forums, a
> > > > > blogger site (viewing or editing) -- it works fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, if, say, I open Google.com in a tab -- the paste stops working
> > > > > in NTP immediately. But if I close that tab (and leave Firefox open),
> > > > > the paste begins working immediately again.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there's something running on some websites -- or something Firefox
> > > > > is doing in relation to certain sites -- that's causing this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Java? Flash?
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish I had more web knowledge to know.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone here has a hunch based on the websites, please let me
> > > know...
> > > > --
> > > > Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi John - I looked at the posts in that thread. A bunch of them seemed
to be generic (not fitting the narrowed scope of Rob's problem - https
site open) though the ones about rdpclip.exe looked like they might
match. AFAICT that only applies to issues with Remote Desktop  Services

Rob - do you have this  Remote Desktop  Services "started"? On my Win-7
system its "manual" (ie. not running) or is rdpclip.exe shown in Task
Manager? Note: as I read the posts about this I think its a low-% fit
for your problem.

On 2012-09-28 19:21, John Shotsky wrote:
> The following thread has a number of different solutions to the problem of
broken copy/paste. Hopefully, one of them
> applies to your problem.
>
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itprogeneral/thread/5bbc11e8-ca2\
d-41ac-b640-d66ce971f58f