All -

On Monday, November 16th, we will have an informal Java discussion
lunch meeting, from noon until about 1:00.

We do this on odd Mondays of the month (1st, 3rd, and 5th, if there is
a 5th).

Feel free to join us.

Here's the location:

Lotte Plaza Food Court
13955 Metrotech Dr
Chantilly, VA
(703) 488-6600

The food court is at the extreme right rear of the store. You need to
go to the extreme right of the store as soon after entering as you
can, then turn left.

There is varied and inexpensive Korean, Korean-Chinese, Japanese, and
Vietnamese food there, with some vegetarian options, and there is an
excellent ready-to-eat sushi take out concession in the supermarket
area. You can probably even bring your lunch if you like.

- Keith

A long time ago our JUG ran several courses from Sang Shin - "Java
with Passion".

He's at it again, this time with "Groovy and Grails with Passion".
Its a free online course.  Here are the details:

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The 1st session of "Groovy and Grails Programming (with
Passion!)" online course will start from Jan. 10th, 2010.

The course contents are still being worked on and will
be updated as we move along.
For more detailed information on the course, please see
the following

Course topics: http://www.javapassion.com/groovyandgrails/#Topics
Course website: http://www.javapassion.com/groovyandgrails
Course FAQ: http://www.javapassion.com/coursefaq.html

This course runs very much like a regular college course
in which the students are expected to do weekly homework
after studying the learning material and doing the hands-on
lab but it is free and can be taken online. There is also
class email alias where students can ask/answer questions.

Please feel free to forward this email out to anyone who
might be interested. Thanks much.

-Sang Shin

For the record I liked Marc. And not just because bought my dinner once in
Antwerp at Javapolis. His presentation there was really good. He gave it while
wearing a mask because the conference sponsors forced the organizers to
dis-invite him.

Gray

--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, "jawabean" <jawabean@...> wrote:
>
> --- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. Bain" <paulbain@> wrote:
> >
> > Who says that wrong-doing does not
> > pay? If you think that wrong-doing does not pay, how can you explain
> > Fleury's fate?
>
> Fleury's "wrong"/"right" ratio is low. All his "wrong" was to flaming. It's
relatively innocent compared to what M$ did and got indicted for.
>
> His "right" was huge. Whether you like Fleury or not, jBoss changed the
landscape of app server market. I hate jBoss, btw :)
>
> On "Go" - my first reaction was "Oh, no, not another Ruby, please!"
> Then I found out that Rob Pike and Ken Thompson are its authors, and that
Inferno had a big influence on Go. These two facts are important for me, so I'm
going to look at Go some time later. If anything, this isn't "another Ruby",
this seems to be the real deal.
>

I apologize. I just posted the information.  You can see the registration page
here:

http://www.eventbrite.com/event/489061797

Gray

--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, Radhakrishnan Kunnath <rkkunnath@...> wrote:
>
> Gray,
>
> I am new to this area. Can you please give me the exact locatation where the
meeting is scheduled ?
>
> -RK
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: gherter <gherter@...>
> To: novajug@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 12:32:59 PM
> Subject: [novajug] Next Meeting is Tuesday
>
>  
> Mark your calendar. The next meeting will be Tuesday night at FGM.
>
> Scott Leberknight on Polyglot Persistence
>
> I will try to post the registration, blog entries tonight.
>
> Gray
>
> --- In novajug@yahoogroups .com, "gherter" <gherter@ > wrote:
> >
> > FYI, we have a meeting for next week. I will post something the registration
when I find out one last detail (which day next week)!
> >
> > The speaker is Scott Leberknight on Polyglot Persistence, which is one of
his no fluff talks.
> >
> > After that, it looks like we have Erik Hatcher on Solr and Lucene (Dec
16th). Erik is doing that talk next week at Devoxx, so it should be a good one.
> >
> > We even have meetings set up for Jan, Feb and March making this a record for
planning ahead, even if I haven't got all of the info for next week, yet. ;^)
> >
> > Gray
> >
>

Our next meeting will be on Nov 17th, and feature Scott Leberknight presenting
Polyglot Persistence.  Pizza and sodas will be provided by Scott's company, Near
Infinity.

Please register here:

http://www.eventbrite.com/event/489061797

Please note the 6:30 time. We have a training event during the day at FGM, and I
want to give them plenty of time to clear out so we can reset the room if we
have to.

Polyglot Persistence presented by Scott Leberknight

Polyglot persistence is all about considering your persistence requirements and
selecting a persistence mechanism that best mets those requirements, as opposed
to selecting an RDBMS as the default choice. In this session we'll look at some
of the persistence alternatives that are available like Amazon SimpleDB,
CouchDB, Google Bigtable, and more. In late 2006 Neal Ford wrote about Polyglot
Programming and predicted the wave of language choice we are now seeing in the
industry to use the right language for the specific job at hand. Instead of
assuming a "default" language like Java or C# and then warring over the many
different available frameworks, polyglot programming is all about using the
right language for the job rather than just the right framework(s). Paralleling
Neal's description of polyglot programming, a relational database is often the
accepted and default choice for persistence. Sometimes this is due to the fact
that organizations have standardized on RDBMS systems and there isn't even any
other choice. Other times it is simply what we're used to doing, and possibly we
don't even consider alternatives. But now, with things like Amazon SimpleDB,
Google Bigtable, Microsoft SQL Server Data Services (SSDS), CouchDB, and lots
more, we're now seeing the beginning of Polyglot Persistence in addition to
polyglot programming.

--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. Bain" <paulbain@...> wrote:
>
> Who says that wrong-doing does not
> pay? If you think that wrong-doing does not pay, how can you explain
> Fleury's fate?

Fleury's "wrong"/"right" ratio is low. All his "wrong" was to flaming. It's
relatively innocent compared to what M$ did and got indicted for.

His "right" was huge. Whether you like Fleury or not, jBoss changed the
landscape of app server market. I hate jBoss, btw :)

On "Go" - my first reaction was "Oh, no, not another Ruby, please!"
Then I found out that Rob Pike and Ken Thompson are its authors, and that
Inferno had a big influence on Go. These two facts are important for me, so I'm
going to look at Go some time later. If anything, this isn't "another Ruby",
this seems to be the real deal.

gherter wrote:
> http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/symbian-executives-rips-into-googles-android/
>
> I love this stuff.  It reminds me of old days of Marc Fluery.

Gray,

	 Yeah, Marc Fleury was a nutcase, a braggart, arrogant, and unfairly
critical of open source software -- other than his own, JBoss. But it
worked out well for Fleury, who retired young and rich after Red Hat
acquired his company for millions. Who says that wrong-doing does not
pay? If you think that wrong-doing does not pay, how can you explain
Fleury's fate? Or that of M$ in recent years?

-- Paul Bain

http://gigaom.com/2009/10/23/symbian-executives-rips-into-googles-android/

I love this stuff.  It reminds me of old days of Marc Fluery.

Gray

Among other things, "go to user groups".

http://blog.polyglotprogramming.com/2009/11/6/cultivateyourcareertoday

I met Dean recently at the Scala Lift Off.

Gray

Mark your calendar. The next meeting will be Tuesday night at FGM.

Scott Leberknight on Polyglot Persistence

I will try to post the registration, blog entries tonight.

Gray

--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, "gherter" <gherter@...> wrote:
>
> FYI, we have a meeting for next week.  I will post something the registration
when I find out one last detail (which day next week)!
>
> The speaker is Scott Leberknight on Polyglot Persistence, which is one of his
no fluff talks.
>
> After that, it looks like we have Erik Hatcher on Solr and Lucene (Dec 16th).
Erik is doing that talk next week at Devoxx, so it should be a good one.
>
> We even have meetings set up for Jan, Feb and March making this a record for
planning ahead, even if I haven't got all of the info for next week, yet. ;^)
>
> Gray
>

Just a reminder there is a LinkedIn NoVAJUG Group available.
Group Page: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/1051047

We just went through a portal selection process here (if you can call it that). 
I thought it was more of a cluster.  But it was for a government agency and we
just added to the confustion. :-)   I think the big questions here are dependent
on a couple of things:

1.  open source/commerical
2.  cost
3.  performance/features
4.  customer environment

The Oracle WebCenter Interaction we selected was based on plumtree which I
believe they bought sometime back.

They all support various standards such as JSR-168/LDAP integration but how they
do that is usually quite different and you'll probably spend a significant
amount of time (at least on the commercial products) getting everything up and
running.  They typically are a little more complex products.



--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, Max Han <vpsmax@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your response.  Actually, the reason I ask is because I recently
joined a project working on WPS whereas most of my experience has been with
Vignette Portal.  And in looking at Gartner, it seems that IBM is the market
leader ...
>
>
http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/oracle/article95/artic\
le95.html
>
> So, I just wanted to get a sense as to whether the products are very
different.  Or if the products are pretty much commoditized and are relatively
the same (ie. both have ways to manage pages, portlets, grids and styles;
developing in JSR 168 and WSRP; personalization via LDAP authentication).
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Ramanand Singh <rsingh@...> wrote:
>
> From: Ramanand Singh <rsingh@...>
> Subject: RE: [novajug] diff between portals
> To: novajug@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:57 PM
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> It is not very clear what you are trying to
> get answered here. There are so many features in a portal server/engine. It
> would be easier to provide answer if you had any particular aspect or concern
> about portal features. I am providing here my overall experience and
> preference.
>
>   
>
> I have used both commercial (I mean paid
> products) and open source products. I have architected and created some large
> portals in both public and private sectors. Based upon my experience with
> various portal engines/environment s as well as features and standards
> compliance, I would rank my preferences as follows:
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> Commercial: 1. WebLogic Portal, 2. Vignette
> Application Portal, 3. WebSphere Portal
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> Open-Source: 1. LifeRay Portal, 2. JBOSS
> Portal, 3. JetSpeed
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> If you would like to see some example
> portal applications in production environments, I can point you to a couple of
> them that are available in the public domain.
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> Regards,
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> - ramanand
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> From:
> novajug@yahoogroups .com [mailto:novajug@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Max
Han
>
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009
> 4:17 PM
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> To: novajug@yahoogroups .com
>
> Subject: [novajug] diff between
> portals
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>   Hello.
>
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>   Just wondering if anyone has worked with two or more of the available
>   commercial Portal packages out there?  That is, I am curious to find
>   what are some of the differences between WebSphere Portal, WebLogic Portal,
>   Vignette Portal, JBoss Portal and/or any other J2EE based Portal
applications
>   that may exist.  Thanks.
>
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>   Regards,
>
>   Max
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>

Has anyone tried to retrieve the password for a jndi datasource (in JBOSS) from
an external source?  My company maintains many different web-based and
standalone java applications, and managing password changes has become
problematic.  We're looking at ways to  help simplify password updates (without
comprising security).  One idea is to move db passwords to a central database
(or possibly jndi server).  I'm not sure if it's possible to override the
default behaviour of jboss to fetch the password from an external store instead
of the jboss config file.  Has anyone tried this before?

Thanks.

FYI, we have a meeting for next week.  I will post something the registration
when I find out one last detail (which day next week)!

The speaker is Scott Leberknight on Polyglot Persistence, which is one of his no
fluff talks.

After that, it looks like we have Erik Hatcher on Solr and Lucene (Dec 16th).
Erik is doing that talk next week at Devoxx, so it should be a good one.

We even have meetings set up for Jan, Feb and March making this a record for
planning ahead, even if I haven't got all of the info for next week, yet. ;^)

Gray

I have used Liferay before and found it to be a very useful.  Basically, I have
been on two projects and created a small portlet on both. At that time, they
were jsr-168 porlets, but I believe the newest version supports the newer
portlet spec. I doubt the commercial ones are much better than Liferay.

Gray

--- In novajug@yahoogroups.com, Max Han <vpsmax@...> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> Just wondering if anyone has worked with two or more of the available
commercial Portal packages out there?  That is, I am curious to find what are
some of the differences between WebSphere Portal, WebLogic Portal, Vignette
Portal, JBoss Portal and/or any other J2EE based Portal applications that may
exist.  Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Max
>

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