Lets refrain from advertiseing shall we. Afer all there really is
only one active member in the group.

The Group I am personally a part of, Is Xenotechresearch.
For many years. there were only the two of us, LMAO.
We now have representatives on every continent.
Another private space group, far better funded than we, is 'Space Island Group'
they are primarily interested in Orbital Tourism & Industry & content to leave
the main belt & other colony concepts till much later.
SIG or Space Island Group, has got a great launch vehicle on the drawing board,
using improved space shuttle tech from the same contractors, larger solid fuel
boosters, improved shuttle main engines. They also have Rutan on board as well
as the designer of the Delta Clipper Vertical takeoff & landing orbital vehicle,
which is also being improved upon. http://www.spaceislandgroup.com/home.html   
We hope they will permit deployment of our solar thermal hybrid drive robotic
probes to the belt, in exchange for some of our technologies. As for the actual
colonists in the next 15 years, we have not selected them yet, the field is wide
open & I am telling many who wish to live in space, to cultivate the low & high
tech skills in themselves. We intend to take colonists from every nation, as
long as they have a variety of skills to offer. That is the best answer I can
give you. Who will be the first colonists ? Perhaps YOU !!!!!!!!
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Allright, that answers what kind of people (and animals) will be
colonists but not who, i want a description of the individual, or
group of individuals who "want to go to space" as you say it, and why.

Naturally, we have given this matter a lot of thought.
Every Plant & Animal we take must have more than one aspect in it's favor.
Italian Honeybees are BOTH Industrious AND nonaggressive. Goats can provide meat
, milk, & cheese, AND Garbage disposal AND nitrogen rich fertilizer in little
balls easy to collect & process. Hemp will provide fibers for textiles, pulp for
paper, oils, cerial & medicine. The humans we take will need to WANT to live in
space, they will all need working knowledge of astronomy, space science, & each
must have low as well as high tech skills. It will be frontier living in the
first decades, & butchering meat, making cheeses, baking bread, weaving cloth
will be no less important that metallurgy, programming, & high energy physics.
WE would hope that each colonist will have something to contribute in the way of
Both High tech & Low tech skills & understanding.





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I wish i could boast that i am a part of such an effort but...i
wouldn't be telling the truth. All that i can offer is my opion based
on what i know. But i am still optomistic, although i do not really
have expertise, i feel that i can still contribute as a facilitator,
or maybe catalist is a better word. in either case i hope my un-
educated guess will spawn ideas in those that actually have technical
skills...I digress, what im tring to say is that i think your right,
instead of chosing robot over human or visa versa, we inevatably
choose both, but i would add that adaquite expiramentation with
robotics in space is nesscicary before we could ever hope to plan
anything ambitious, and that i think requires human testing and
construction in a near earth orbital envirnment.

I think Mir lasted twice as long as the soviets ever intended her
to. As a matter of national pride, continued funding was secured
from GOD knows where , even after the fall of soviet union, they
have every reason to be very proud of Mir. & we all shed our tears
as she fell, but she had a long & distinguished life. What goes up,
must come down.... ;)

Here's my humble prediction, Within the decade, humans will send
robotic mining probes into the main asteroid belt, to reproduce
themselves using asteroidal matter, till we have a huge solar
powered labor force out there, mining , refing, & storing refined
metals, glass, chrondites, solvents , gasses, & water in preparation
for arrival of human colonists............. Completely sidestepping
all food & lifesupport costs in the early stages. This is the only
really affordable approach to opening space to human colonization.
Once the belt industry & free fall rotating colonies have been
established, only then do planetfall colonies become affordable.
Even a Lunar base could not survive for long without resources from
the Main belt & cometary belts.I am part of a privately funded space
effort to proceed in just the manner described. I'm happy to field
any questions or comments.

I don't exactly know if anyone sees these postings anymore but, i
guess i'll write this for my own health. I have mixed frrlings about
this whole spaceship one thing, i do belive that it is an increadable
step forward for non governmend devlepmet of space, and i belive it
will spawn reneiwed interest in the heavens above by the average
individual, and It shows that it's even possible for comercial craft
to go to space where some thought it not, but...i can't help feeling
left out, I kinda wish i was the one apart of the whole thing, even
thought im underqualifed and have no assosiation with the particualar
company that claimed the x-prize. It just makes me feel like a
hopless dreamer...who am i kidding, I AM!

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Okay, so here's my opinion on the whole Mir
thing: Yes, Mir's time had come and gone, in fact it
stayed up 10 years longer than it was designed to. It
never was designed to be an orbiting hotel or a
spaceport to serve as a springboard for future space
endeavors. It was an orbiting science facility that had
become a danger to itself and any crew members that
dared to live there.<br><br>With the Progress
collision, the fire, the failing power grid, the
uncontrollable fungal growth, and the hundreds of loose cables
that were added to extend the stations useful life, it
was an (another)accident waiting to happen.<br><br>I
have read messages on other boards that said they
should take the good parts off of Mir and find a way to
connect them to the ISS to save money on new modules.
This is crazy. I would compare such an action to
taking the processor out of a Commodore 64 (remember
those?)and putting it into your new PC just to save money.
First of all they are WAY incompatible and Mir parts
are obsolete.<br><br>So, in my humble opinion, there
was not much more that they could do. Bring it back
now while there is still a chance of bringing it in
with some sort of control over where it will
fall.<br><br>Michael

Okay, so here's my opinion on the whole Mir
thing: Yes, Mir's time had come and gone, in fact it
stayed up 10 years longer than it was designed to. It
never was designed to be an orbiting hotel or a
spaceport to serve as a springboard for future space
endeavors. It was an orbiting science facility that had
become a danger to itself and any crew members that
dared to live there.<br><br>With the Progress
collision, the fire, the failing power grid, the
uncontrollable fungal growth, and the hundreds of loose cables
that were added to extend the stations useful life, it
was an (another)accident waiting to happen.<br><br>I
have read messages on other boards that said they
should take the good parts off of Mir and find a way to
connect them to the ISS to save money on new modules.
This is crazy. I would compare such an action to
taking the processor out of a Commodore 64 (remember
those?)and putting it into your new PC just to save money.
First of all they are WAY incompatible and Mir parts
are obsolete.<br><br>So, in my humble opinion, there
was not much more that they could do. Bring it back
now while there is still a chance of bringing it in
with some sort of control over where it will
fall.<br><br>Michael

Okay, so here's my opinion on the whole Mir
thing: Yes, Mir's time had come and gone, in fact it
stayed up 10 years longer than it was designed to. It
never was designed to be an orbiting hotel or a
spaceport to serve as a springboard for future space
endeavors. It was an orbiting science facility that had
become a danger to itself and any crew members that
dared to live there.<br><br>With the Progress
collision, the fire, the failing power grid, the
uncontrollable fungal growth, and the hundreds of loose cables
that were added to extend the stations useful life, it
was an (another)accident waiting to happen.<br><br>I
have read messages on other boards that said they
should take the good parts off of Mir and find a way to
connect them to the ISS to save money on new modules.
This is crazy. I would compare such an action to
taking the processor out of a Commodore 64 (remember
those?)and putting it into your new PC just to save money.
First of all they are WAY incompatible and Mir parts
are obsolete.<br><br>So, in my humble opinion, there
was not much more that they could do. Bring it back
now while there is still a chance of bringing it in
with some sort of control over where it will
fall.<br><br>Michael

Okay, so here's my opinion on the whole Mir
thing: Yes, Mir's time had come and gone, in fact it
stayed up 10 years longer than it was designed to. It
never was designed to be an orbiting hotel or a
spaceport to serve as a springboard for future space
endeavors. It was an orbiting science facility that had
become a danger to itself and any crew members that
dared to live there.<br><br>With the Progress
collision, the fire, the failing power grid, the
uncontrollable fungal growth, and the hundreds of loose cables
that were added to extend the stations useful life, it
was an (another)accident waiting to happen.<br><br>I
have read messages on other boards that said they
should take the good parts off of Mir and find a way to
connect them to the ISS to save money on new modules.
This is crazy. I would compare such an action to
taking the processor out of a Commodore 64 (remember
those?)and putting it into your new PC just to save money.
First of all they are WAY incompatible and Mir parts
are obsolete.<br><br>So, in my humble opinion, there
was not much more that they could do. Bring it back
now while there is still a chance of bringing it in
with some sort of control over where it will
fall.<br><br>Michael

Okay, so here's my opinion on the whole Mir
thing: Yes, Mir's time had come and gone, in fact it
stayed up 10 years longer than it was designed to. It
never was designed to be an orbiting hotel or a
spaceport to serve as a springboard for future space
endeavors. It was an orbiting science facility that had
become a danger to itself and any crew members that
dared to live there.<br><br>With the Progress
collision, the fire, the failing power grid, the
uncontrollable fungal growth, and the hundreds of loose cables
that were added to extend the stations useful life, it
was an (another)accident waiting to happen.<br><br>I
have read messages on other boards that said they
should take the good parts off of Mir and find a way to
connect them to the ISS to save money on new modules.
This is crazy. I would compare such an action to
taking the processor out of a Commodore 64 (remember
those?)and putting it into your new PC just to save money.
First of all they are WAY incompatible and Mir parts
are obsolete.<br><br>So, in my humble opinion, there
was not much more that they could do. Bring it back
now while there is still a chance of bringing it in
with some sort of control over where it will
fall.<br><br>Michael

My personal opinion is that if we are just going
to let our million dollar space machines that are a
little beat up come crashing to the ground, then why do
we (the government) just keep sending new machines
back up there?<br><br> Bryan

My personal opinion is that if we are just going
to let our million dollar space machines that are a
little beat up come crashing to the ground, then why do
we (the government) just keep sending new machines
back up there?<br><br> Bryan

My personal opion on this mater i will say right
now. i was very happy when someone offered to buy Mir
and fix it up to use for torrisum(i cant spell) but
noooo! they just say no and let it fall into the ocean,
or into our backyards.

Another topic:<br><br>Had MIR's time really come
or did we send it to the junkyard (i.e. the South
Pacific) too soon?<br><br>Were we so anxious to get the
newest model that we threw out a perfectly good vehicle?
Sure it had a few dents and dings, but...<br><br>I do
have a personal opinion on this but I'll wait to share
it until a couple more posts happen.<br><br>Come on
gang, lets really make this a community. We're all
obviously all interested in space so let's get it
going.<br><br>Michael

So the answer we've come up with is the same
thing we've been doing for 4 decades now. We send a
robotic explorer out to "test the waters." Just as
Sputnik preceeded Yuri Gagarin's flight. (Hard to believe
that happened 40 years ago and we still only have
three people living out there at a time.)<br><br>As for
robotic explorers, although they found an inhospitable
climate on the moon, we went anyway. But with the aid of
the first earth-born robotic explorers, we knew more
of what to expect when we got there.<br><br>So,
Regardless of the primary function of the "robot," whether
it be a landing probe, a satellite that images the
planet or something we've not seen yet that has
artificial intelligence, human journeys into space have
always been and will probably always be preceeded by a
"robot" of some sort.<br><br>I think what we need to
address is whether we will exclusively utilize robotic
explorers to expand into our little solar neighborhood or
if we will follow them once we posess the
knowledge.<br><br>I think the human race must venture out in person.

Yes even if we have an easy way to have humans
fliying around in space with no long-term effects we will
still most likely use robots not out of nescesity but
out of convinience, we probubly will have robots
still searching the universe for habitable planets, and
when we find one we will go there in person.

Human habitation of space is the most important
goal we have as an exploration-hungry species. Of
course there are many steps we must take along the way.
We mustlearn to overcome the effects of long term
exposure to weightlessness. We must also overcome the
costs and technical difficulties of long distance human
space travel.<br><br>In the interim, we must use
robotic explorers to find the most promising landing
sites and prepare us for what we'll have to deal with
once we get there.<br><br>Finally, we must go there in
person. No robot, photograph or video will ever be able
to tell the story that a human being who has
experienced it will.<br><br>So, I guess my answer is both. We
must use robotic explorers until we can get there
ourselves.<br><br>Michael

what do you think on the issue Human vs Robot in space?

Made by yours truely. I think we should start disscutions on the messege bord.
Ask a question or tell someone your Idea. which is what im doing.

i want some sugestions on what we could do in the club.