Hi Doc,

>>FIC AZ11E RETAIL BOX 2 YR WARRANTY AZ-11-E ATA100 Socket A

>I'd go ahead and go with the ABit MB Jody, for the reasons we
>chatted about on the phone :)
>I am just paranoid about the FIC because of their mother board
>specific drivers - but my AMD K6-iii 450mhz is sitting on an FIC
>MB and does fine with everything but you know what <HG>
>And the new tower and PS sound like good choices also.

Thank, I'll look into some other boards also, but I believe it
was your NVidia TNT with the MB causing the problem for you and
NoteTab.  I send the sucker back if it does not work with
NoteTab. <bg>

Thanks!
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Hey Jody,

(...don't take any wooden motherboards...)

"Decay is inherent in all compound things. Strive on with diligence"
-- Sid

warm regards,

tf

Hi thefrank,

>(...don't take any wooden motherboards...)
>
>"Decay is inherent in all compound things. Strive on with diligence"
>-- Sid

So, does that mean go with the cheapest and hope for the best?

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Hi Jody,

> So, does that mean...

Not at all. Just a (dumb) joke to illustrate that whatever you get
now will be obsolete and overpriced compared to what you can get in 6
months (or weeks)...but will still get the work done.

My AMD-K62 350 still operates faster than I do (as a fellow tabber
mentioned). I think the difference is the 256mb RAM (also mentioned).

What mb does AMD recommend for their processors? I use FIC although
Azuz and Abit get rave reviews. Whichever board you prefer, I suggest
getting a config to accommodate the most RAM. 20 bucks for another
slot lets you add another 256 (or better) later on, and in 6 months
there could be a Terrabyte (or whatever) stick available.

Note: A techie advised me about 4ply and 2ply RAM boards (the stick
the RAM chips are fastened to), saying the 2ply sticks do not
dissipate the heat as well and degrade faster. Pay (a little) extra
for RAM with a lifetime guarantee (should be 4ply). (I know, it
sounds like toilet paper...)

It sure is fun though...

regards,

tf

So true. Buying technology is like putting your foot
in a stream... The stream is always going to be rushing
past, but you're just trying to get to the other side
(hoping to at least not drop your machine in the water
and electrocute yourself).

Well, before I torture that metaphor anymore, let me
just add, FWIW, that I'm currently running an AMD Athlon
"Thunderbird" at 1Ghz, with 256MB PC133 RAM, and an
NVidia GeForce 2 MX video card with 32MB RAM. I dual
boot between Windows 2000 Pro and Red Hat Linux 7, and
except for the initial trials of getting the appropriate
drivers for all components and both operating systems,
things now go swimmingly. I've long been a fan of AMD
-- three out of the five main machines in the house run
AMD: the Athlon 1Ghz, a K6-2/300 and a K6-2/500. I think
AMD simply provides more of the proverbial bang for the
proverbial buck.

Back to the stream for a moment: my current machine cost
me at least three times *less* than what I paid for my
Gateway 386 or Leading Edge Model "D" oh so many years
ago. Back when chads were chads, and nerds were really
nerdy...

Scott
"Resist the force before it forces you to resist."

At 02:14 3/6/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Jody,
>
> > So, does that mean...
>
>Not at all. Just a (dumb) joke to illustrate that whatever you get
>now will be obsolete and overpriced compared to what you can get in 6
>months (or weeks)...but will still get the work done.
>
>My AMD-K62 350 still operates faster than I do (as a fellow tabber
>mentioned). I think the difference is the 256mb RAM (also mentioned).
>
>What mb does AMD recommend for their processors? I use FIC although
>Azuz and Abit get rave reviews. Whichever board you prefer, I suggest
>getting a config to accommodate the most RAM. 20 bucks for another
>slot lets you add another 256 (or better) later on, and in 6 months
>there could be a Terrabyte (or whatever) stick available.
>
>Note: A techie advised me about 4ply and 2ply RAM boards (the stick
>the RAM chips are fastened to), saying the 2ply sticks do not
>dissipate the heat as well and degrade faster. Pay (a little) extra
>for RAM with a lifetime guarantee (should be 4ply). (I know, it
>sounds like toilet paper...)
>
>It sure is fun though...
>
>regards,
>
>tf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Jody,

At 08:57 AM 3/5/01, you wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>
>
>So, are you saying if I go with a 800Mhz and 526MB that it should
>out perform a 1.1Ghz and 256MB?  Or, should I go ahead with the
>latter and at a later date add the 256MB RAM to it?

If I had to make that choice, I'd take the 1.1 Ghz (If I didn't have to
worry about an overly warm environment) and add more ram later. 256MB will
be okay for awhile yet.

Jim

Hi thefrank,

>Not at all. Just a (dumb) joke to illustrate that whatever you
>get now will be obsolete and overpriced compared to what you can
>get in 6 months (or weeks)...but will still get the work done.

OK.

>My AMD-K62 350 still operates faster than I do (as a fellow
>tabber mentioned). I think the difference is the 256mb RAM (also
>mentioned).

That is the proc I have now.  I put in my 256MB today from 128MB
and don't see any difference just like I did not going from 64 to
128MB RAM.

>What mb does AMD recommend for their processors? I use FIC
>although Azuz and Abit get rave reviews. Whichever board you
>prefer, I suggest getting a config to accommodate the most RAM.
>20 bucks for another slot lets you add another 256 (or better)
>later on, and in 6 months there could be a Terrabyte (or
>whatever) stick available.

So, what in the world do I need for speed?  I can afford 1.1Ghz
and perhaps 516MB RAM and might just spend the extra bucks to get
the Abit or Asus.  I want some speed!!!  Where is my Win3.11 like
Sleepless was complaining about.  NoteTab still takes 2-3 seconds
to open with the extra RAM - no difference.

>Pay (a little) extra for RAM with a lifetime guarantee (should be
>4ply). (I know, it sounds like toilet paper...)

hahahaha

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Hi Scott and Jim,

Thanks much for the 1.1Mhz tip Jim and Doc - that is certainly
what I wanted to hear.  Now I can tell the wife, but the experts
say... haha.

>Well, before I torture that metaphor anymore, let me just add,
>FWIW, that I'm currently running an AMD Athlon "Thunderbird" at
>1Ghz, with 256MB PC133 RAM, and an NVidia GeForce 2 MX video card
>with 32MB RAM. I dual boot between Windows 2000 Pro and Red Hat
>Linux 7, and except for the initial trials of getting the
>appropriate drivers for all components and both operating
>systems, things now go swimmingly. I've long been a fan of AMD --
>three out of the five main machines in the house run AMD: the
>Athlon 1Ghz, a K6-2/300 and a K6-2/500. I think AMD simply
>provides more of the proverbial bang for the proverbial buck.

Thanks!  So, I ought to fare well with a 1.0 or 1.1Ghz (five
stars on the 1.1), 256-528MB RAM and any half way decent MB. I'll
push for 528MB.  Gee, I just bought a 256 stick, so I only need
to buy one more and leave the wife and kids with the 128MB, nice
guy, eh? :)  I'd better get some more for them, but the problem
is I don't have anymore room on that/this board for more sticks.
They are two 64MB 166pin DIMM/SDRAM PC100 now with no extra slot.
I do have the shorter white slots next to them.  Uh, will
something go in there an be compatible?

>Back to the stream for a moment: my current machine cost me at
>least three times *less* than what I paid for my Gateway 386 or
>Leading Edge Model "D" oh so many years ago. Back when chads were
>chads, and nerds were really nerdy...

ROFL!!!  My first PC was the 486dx80 I had mentioned earlier.  I
paid, with 14" monitor, over $800.00.  For that, one can get a
complete screaming system today if built themselves and not a bad
Gateway at all with $400.00 rebate if he signs up for MSN or the
like totalling about $450.00 for a mid-range computer - HP stuff
at that.  So, why am I buying an MB and proc for about the same
that is just a tad bit better specs than the $450.00?  I will pay
because I want the joy of the hassles and more learning
experience if something should go wrong.  Plus, I want complete
control, at least as what MS and others will give me, and as much
understanding of my machine as I can get.  I cannot get that with
a ready made system and when you call tech support (after hours
and hours of frustration - I live for it BG) they tell you to
plug in the rescue CD.

Dual boot equals two ways of booting up; same drive or two
different drives?  I would like to give Linux another try or
install WinME but will not on the same drive as Win98SE again.
Please reply with new topic if you do on that.  tanX.

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>
> So, what in the world do I need for speed?  I can afford 1.1Ghz
> and perhaps 516MB RAM and might just spend the extra bucks to get
> the Abit or Asus.  I want some speed!!!  Where is my Win3.11 like
> Sleepless was complaining about.  NoteTab still takes 2-3 seconds
> to open with the extra RAM - no difference.
>
> hahahaha
>
> Happy Topics,
> Jody
>
Hi Jody,

Has anyone recommended this site, http://k7v.com.  It's mostly
about ASUS and AMD.  Several forums to look at.  You might get
some ideas about MB's and processors from there.

Most of the respondents are serious gamers and, or,
overclockers.  You can catch some good info on cpu's and periphal
cards, and a few other things.

hrs

Harvey R Savage wrote:
> Hi Jody,
>
> Has anyone recommended this site, http://k7v.com.  It's mostly
> about ASUS and AMD.  Several forums to look at.  You might get
> some ideas about MB's and processors from there.
>
> Most of the respondents are serious gamers and, or,
> overclockers.  You can catch some good info on cpu's and periphal
> cards, and a few other things.
>
>
Hi Jody,

PERIPHERAL is the word I was looking for.  Somehow it got past my
spell checker, I don't know how.


hrs

Hi Jody,

The RAM thingy:

More RAM becomes noticeable to me when I have many apps open at the
same time and am doing work in all.

Typically, during my work routine, I will have 2 or 3 NoteTabPros
(each with different filesets of 10 to 30 files, clipbooks and
clipbars), MSWord, Excel, Xara, WS_FTP, SecureCRT (telnet), XnView,
GifAnimator, and maybe 4 browsers all open and working at the same
time. No hiccups, no waiting. They are all loaded into, and operate
from RAM!

A (good) rule of thumb is when you have alot open and try to do
something, if you hear (or see: blink, blink) your hard drive getting
hit during your work just to process the task, then more RAM will
definitely help. RAM is faster, it doesn't spin and wear out (like a
hd), and right now its cheap.

Having the RAM to do the work saves wear and tear on the hd. After
the apps are open you should not need the hd for anything but storage.

The *smaller slots* thingy:

On one of my systems the board has 2 DIMM slots and 4 EDO SIMM slots.
The board book says in BOLD print to use one type or the other, but
NOT to mix. So...I mixed (of course) just to see. The difference I
noticed is that all the RAM runs at the slower (EDO) speed, which is
still a thousand times faster that the hd and a zillion times faster
than I can type. Been working fine for 2 years now...

regards,

tf

Hi thefrank,

Thanks for the link Harvey - I certainly see there is support. :)

>More RAM becomes noticeable to me when I have many apps open at the
>same time and am doing work in all.
>Having the RAM to do the work saves wear and tear on the hd.
>After the apps are open you should not need the hd for anything
>but storage.

Uh, well, duh!  What can I say.  Thanks.  I check my RAM quite a
bit at times especially when running slow and know exactly what
you are talking about.  I use a small utility called AppBar
(freeware) that I keep on top in autohide.  I use it to launch
programs with.  It is completely configurable and is nothing more
than a menu bar.  You make your main menu: Apps, Image, Browsers,
Fookes, etc. and then underneath them you add your programs.
http://www.notetab.net/zip/appbar.zip  Anyway, it has a resource
meter on it.

>The *smaller slots* thingy:
>
>On one of my systems the board has 2 DIMM slots and 4 EDO SIMM
>slots. The board book says in BOLD print to use one type or the
>other, but NOT to mix. So...I mixed (of course) just to see. The
>difference I noticed is that all the RAM runs at the slower (EDO)
>speed, which is still a thousand times faster that the hd and a
>zillion times faster than I can type. Been working fine for 2
>years now...

Hey, hey - my kind of guy! <bg>  I figured it was one or the other,
but too lazy to pull out the specs.

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At 22:03 3/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>Dual boot equals two ways of booting up; same drive or two
>different drives?  I would like to give Linux another try or
>install WinME but will not on the same drive as Win98SE again.
>Please reply with new topic if you do on that.  tanX.

PartitionMagic and BootMagic do all the, er, magic for me.
I've had it configured both ways: both operating systems
in their own partitions on the same drive or, currently,
W2K on one drive and Linux on the other. In all cases, both
operating systems are accessing both drives. I use the same
data directories for everything. For a while I was *triple*
booting between Windows 98, NT 4.0, and Caldera Linux, each
in its own partition. The main catch is that each operating
system can be picky in terms of where its boot loader is
installed on the disk. The good news is that PartitionMagic
handles all of this nastiness with aplomb.

BTW, from everything I've read, I would avoid WinME like the
plague. Go right to Win2K instead (but buy Win2K at auction
or suchlike to get a good price).

Scott

Hi,

Here we go again.

Lotta

http://www.cai.com/press/2001/03/nakedwife_trojan_virus.htm

>COMPUTER ASSOCIATES WARNS OF NAKEDWIFE TROJAN
>ISLANDIA, N.Y., March 6, 2001 - Computer Associates International, Inc.
>(CA) today warned personal computer users and eBusinesses of the Naked
>eMail virus (also known as NAKEDWIFE, W32/Naked@MM, and
>W32.HLLW.JibJab@mm). CA's global antivirus researchers are classifying the
>risk of this email virus as medium-to-high risk.
>
>eMails with the virus would have the subject line:
>
>"FW: Naked Wife"
>
>and a message body text:
>
>"My wife never looks like this"
>
>and the attachment:
>
>"NakedWife.EXE."
>
>Upon execution, this Trojan launches a movie player in an effort to
>distract the infected computer user while it deletes all .DLL, .INI, .EXE,
>and .BMP files in the Windows system directory. It propagates by sending
>out an email to every eMail address listed in the infected user's
>Microsoft Outlook address book.
>
>"This is yet another example of a mass mailing threat that can spread
>easily and rapidly, by fooling computer users into executing the malicious
>payload," said Ian Hameroff, business manager, antivirus solutions, CA.
>"Users should always exercise caution and utilize good judgment when
>receiving emails with attachments."
>CA's global antivirus researchers will soon release a new signature for
>its award winning InoculateIT antivirus solution. Additional information
>is available at http://ca.com/virusinfo/.

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the info.  I couldn't even get PQMagic to read my
drives when I tried installing Linux.  I had more headaches with
that Mandrake 4.72 load than 5 years of PC'n and don't wish that
on anybody.  It will probably be a very long time till I try
installing it again and then it will be on its own drive.  I
think I agree with you about WinME, but then I heard Win2000 is a
bit hard to get going and harder to use.  I'm pretty happy with
Win98SE so might just hang around till I'm forced by the industry
changes to upgrade.

>At 22:03 3/5/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>>Dual boot equals two ways of booting up; same drive or two
>>different drives?  I would like to give Linux another try or
>>install WinME but will not on the same drive as Win98SE again.
>>Please reply with new topic if you do on that.  tanX.
>
>PartitionMagic and BootMagic do all the, er, magic for me. I've
>had it configured both ways: both operating systems in their own
>partitions on the same drive or, currently, W2K on one drive and
>Linux on the other. In all cases, both operating systems are
>accessing both drives. I use the same data directories for
>everything. For a while I was *triple* booting between Windows
>98, NT 4.0, and Caldera Linux, each in its own partition. The
>main catch is that each operating system can be picky in terms of
>where its boot loader is installed on the disk. The good news is
>that PartitionMagic handles all of this nastiness with aplomb.
>
>BTW, from everything I've read, I would avoid WinME like the
>plague. Go right to Win2K instead (but buy Win2K at auction or
>suchlike to get a good price).


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Hi Lotta,

Thanks!-)

>> "Users should always exercise caution and utilize good judgment
>> when receiving emails with attachments."

Oh, an attachment from my friend - click.  haha

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Well mmmy face is redd ... punched the wrong button ...
hard to stay in bed when you are chief and all the indians ...

red nose toooo ...

Bill


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>Oh, an attachment from my friend - click.  haha

At last something new: today I got my 15th sexy_virgin from pitt.edu

I'm very busy, so I'm thinking to send a .bat virus like
del C:\windows\system\*.dll

It works fine with people who don't use DOS because don't understand
Spanish... LOL!

Marco Bernardini

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>Well mmmy face is redd ... punched the wrong button ...

You too?
I mess something on the Linux box while playing around as root, and now I'm
unable to boot.
Somebody want to learn a lot of bad words in Italian?

Bye!

Marco Bernardini

I am interested in finding resources on the web about computer
technical terminology that lists the English word and its equivalent
in another language. In particular, Spanish, I studied it way back in
high school, and am considering polishing up my Spanish skills
enough to place it on my resume.

For example in Spanish, a small rodent is "raton". What is the
Spanish term for a computer mouse, is it "raton", or what?

TIA!

Larry Hamilton, Jr.
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Carl Swann wrote:
>
> Hi Lloyd... you'll be much happier by Uninstalling NS 6 and returning
> to the free download of NS 4.76. 6.0 is bloated, sluggish,
> overpowering and unresponsive (sounds like a very bad date I had once
> in college).
>
> If you want any more of IMHO... let's take it over to NTO, or write me
> in private mail. I am a NS user for 6 years and I much prefer it to
> MSIE.
>

Hi Carl and Lloyd,

For what it's worth, I agree with Carl about NS6.0 and NS6.1.  I
installed NS6.0 and played with it for 3 or 4 days and
uninstalled it.  I waited for NS6.1 and when I downloaded and
installed it I removed it before the day was over.  NS6.1 is no
where near ready for primetime.

NS4.76 is like the Everready Bunny, just keeps going and going
and...

It has the added benefit of not being susceptible to all the
Outlook virii.

hrs

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>For example in Spanish, a small rodent is "raton". What is the
>Spanish term for a computer mouse, is it "raton", or what?

In Canary Islands it's always a mouse, as everywhere in the world except
France.
You can find very interesting the Jargon File, at http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon

Bye!

Marco Bernardini

Try using a search engine like Google. Place the word Spanish in the
Find box and you should come up with several Spanish dictionaries.

PK

t 02:57 PM 3/7/2001 -0600, you wrote:
>I am interested in finding resources on the web about computer
>technical terminology that lists the English word and its equivalent
>in another language. In particular, Spanish, I studied it way back in
>high school, and am considering polishing up my Spanish skills
>enough to place it on my resume.
>
>For example in Spanish, a small rodent is "raton". What is the
>Spanish term for a computer mouse, is it "raton", or what?
>
>TIA!
>
>Larry Hamilton, Jr.
>lm_hamilton@...
>http://notlimah.tripod.com/
>Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc.
>http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi Harvey,

Thanks I am downloading it now to replace my 4.7.4.

Lloyd
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Hi Carl and Lloyd,
>
>For what it's worth, I agree with Carl about NS6.0 and NS6.1.  I
>installed NS6.0 and played with it for 3 or 4 days and
>uninstalled it.  I waited for NS6.1 and when I downloaded and
>installed it I removed it before the day was over.  NS6.1 is no
>where near ready for primetime.
>
>NS4.76 is like the Everready Bunny, just keeps going and going
>and...
>
>It has the added benefit of not being susceptible to all the
>Outlook virii.
>
>hrs

Hi Lloyd,

>Thanks I am downloading it now to replace my 4.7.4.

Got a URL handy to replace my 4.50 with? :)  I like Harvey
trashed 6.x shortly after I got it.

I kind of like the one that was posted a while back by I forget who:

Freeware and Shareware versions.  Small and fast.  I have not
really used it much because I would miss my NetCaptor very much
because of the tabbed interface like NoteTab.

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Hi Lloyd,

Oops, forgot the name of the program and the link. <g>

Enigma Browser
http://www.suttondesigns.com/EnigmaBrowser/

I kind of like the one that was posted a while back by I forget who:

Freeware and Shareware versions.  Small and fast.  I have not
really used it much because I would miss my NetCaptor very much
because of the tabbed interface like NoteTab.

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Jody wrote:

>Got a URL handy to replace my 4.50 with? :)  I like Harvey
>trashed 6.x shortly after I got it.

Try this one:
http://home.netscape.com/smartupdate/index.html

>Freeware and Shareware versions.  Small and fast.  I have not
>really used it much because I would miss my NetCaptor very much
>because of the tabbed interface like NoteTab.

It's nice to see back and forward history buttons in the pre-release beta
I'm using :-)!

Julie

Hi Julie,

>> Got a URL handy to replace my 4.50 with? :)  I like Harvey
>> trashed 6.x shortly after I got it.
>
>Try this one:
>http://home.netscape.com/smartupdate/index.html

http://home.netscape.com/download/archive/client_archive47x

The other versions are on that page as well. ;)

>>Freeware and Shareware versions.  Small and fast.  I have not
>>really used it much because I would miss my NetCaptor very much
>>because of the tabbed interface like NoteTab.
>
>It's nice to see back and forward history buttons in the pre-
>release beta I'm using :-)!

Yes, they are quite nice.  Pays to be registered, eh? :)

Thanks!
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Hi Jody,

>http://home.netscape.com/download/archive/client_archive47x

Had to try it, didn't open, but it worked with a .html on the end :-).

> >>...I would miss my NetCaptor very much
> >>because of the tabbed interface like NoteTab.
> >
> >It's nice to see back and forward history buttons in the pre-
> >release beta I'm using :-)!
>
>Yes, they are quite nice.  Pays to be registered, eh? :)

Most definitely! Only the suppress script error messages isn't working for
me on the crosswalk.com site. Sent that info on for research ;-).

Julie

Hi Julie,

http://home.netscape.com/download/archive/client_archive47x.html

>Had to try it, didn't open, but it worked with a .html on the end
>:-).

Well why didn't you add it in the reply silly. :)

>>Yes, they are quite nice.  Pays to be registered, eh? :)
>
>Most definitely! Only the suppress script error messages isn't
>working for me on the crosswalk.com site. Sent that info on for
>research ;-).

Send it to Adam, OK, you did already. ;)

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