Ed Brown wrote:
> In the distant past there was some (much) discussion on various anti spam
programs. I have been without spam for some time now, but it is coming back, I
have had one or two several times a week. This morning I had four. I used to
have a very good Bayesian spam filter.  When I changed to dsl spam all but
disappeared. I found the ISP was deleting some good email, so I told them to let
my mail through unfiltered. Now I would like to install a good Bayesian spam
filter.  I have looked at spamassassin and it seems to be useful only if you use
Outlook or a server.  I looked over the configuration and did not make a lot of
sense to me. (however, many things no longer makes sense to me) I can check the
ports but I am not sure how to set up the assassin.  The other one SpamBayes and
it appeared to be pretty difficult to install also. Any have an easy to use
Bayesian Spam filter besides those two?? Frank uses or used to use SpamAssassin
which seems to require Perl to install, (i do
not
>   speak Perl) but he is much smarter than I am in any type of computer speak.
So if you know of a good one that is simple to install and operate let me know. 
I cannot even remember the name of the one I used, but in doing a google search
it's name never  popped up, so may be gone.
> Ed
>

I just use Thunderbird and it does a pretty decent job.  Ask the isp if
they have a challenge response system available.  Those work pretty well
too.

On 10/9/07, Don - HtmlFixIt.com <don@...> wrote:
>
> I just use Thunderbird and it does a pretty decent job.  Ask the isp if
> they have a challenge response system available.  Those work pretty well
> too.

One thing to keep in mind with challenge response programs, they can
cause all kinds of problems with mailing lists that you belong to -
you need to be able to do some careful whitelisting, otherwise you can
end up sending challenges to list members and it can get you banned on
some mailing lists.

Also, if you contact someone via a form on their website, you may not
know the email address that they'll reply from (so you can't really
whitelist them) and you can end up blocking their replies to you - I
maintain numerous websites on several domains and people who contact
me wanting a reply and use those c/r programs never hear from me
because I refuse to prove I'm not a spammer when they're the ones
initiating the contact.  I suggest keeping a separate address that
doesn't use the challenge/response program for contacting people thru
a website form (if you want a reply).

And there's always the possibility that your c/r program may decide to
spam everyone you know - SpamArrest did this, they figured that anyone
sending (legit or not) mail to one of their users was somehow giving
consent to SpamArrest to send them advertisements about the SpamArrest
service!  Obviously this didn't go over well especially since many of
those people had no idea that someone they emailed was using
SpamArrest (because they were already whitelisted by the SpamArrest
user).

Filtering your incoming mail is much less intrusive to legitimate
senders and a much better solution than challenge/response programs,
imho.

--
alice ttlg

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"Don - HtmlFixIt.com" wrote:
> Ask the isp if they have a challenge response system available.
> Those work pretty well too.

That depends on the other party. If I'm posting to ask a favour of
someone I'll accept that extra step. When answering a post requesting
something from me I may very well not bother, in fact I'd have to be in
an exceptionally good mood to do so.
(In fact this and address faking is the reason I never give a full reply
first. I only write very few words like "I can help" so I'm not too
pissed when that mail bounces.)

And these things seem a bit tricky. I've seen people not setting
exceptions for list mails they're subscribed to correctly, and that of
course makes it ridiculous.

Axel

YES, this is my old one. I think I remember how it works. This is the best one
that I have ever used and it sets itself with just a little guidance. Thank You
Ed
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: fw7oaks
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
   Subject: Re: [NTO] spam


   I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are clear
   enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the better
   it gets.

   http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

   HTH

   fw





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With Popfile, I get every email sent to me. I may find it in my spam basket, but
it stays there until I say it is spam or move it to the friends bucket. No
emails should bounce. And beside my other two computers will pick it up as they
do not as yet have Popfile, but when I get used to it and can manage it as well
as I used to (when you get to be 80 you get used to saying "I used to could"
;-D) could. And all are on a secure wireless network (well as secure as a
wireless network can be) and the e's come in to all of them.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Axel Berger
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:16
   Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam


   "Don - HtmlFixIt.com" wrote:
   > Ask the isp if they have a challenge response system available.
   > Those work pretty well too.

   That depends on the other party. If I'm posting to ask a favour of
   someone I'll accept that extra step. When answering a post requesting
   something from me I may very well not bother, in fact I'd have to be in
   an exceptionally good mood to do so.
   (In fact this and address faking is the reason I never give a full reply
   first. I only write very few words like "I can help" so I'm not too
   pissed when that mail bounces.)

   And these things seem a bit tricky. I've seen people not setting
   exceptions for list mails they're subscribed to correctly, and that of
   course makes it ridiculous.

   Axel




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

alice ttlg wrote:
> Filtering your incoming mail is much less intrusive to legitimate
> senders and a much better solution than challenge/response programs,
> imho.

Well said. There may be exceptions. I know a church warden with a well
known and frequently published address he can't easily change and who
gets 300 spam (spams? Is spam countable?) per day.
In the experience of all folks here: How do elderly fuddy-duddies who
just master email
copy with those challenges?

Axel

I guess you would say he is computer challenged? Tell him to quit think old and
start studying. Everything worth while has a pretty good, some might even say
steep learning curve.  You are only as old as you want to be.  But evidently he
likes to do something else rather than put sometime in studying. And he might
need a computer Guru--like you Alex?? You know where to go to get answers. And
might be able to help him a great deal.  No matter the age, you do what you want
to do--at least that is my opinion
ed
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Axel Berger
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 13:36
   Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam


   alice ttlg wrote:
   > Filtering your incoming mail is much less intrusive to legitimate
   > senders and a much better solution than challenge/response programs,
   > imho.

   Well said. There may be exceptions. I know a church warden with a well
   known and frequently published address he can't easily change and who
   gets 300 spam (spams? Is spam countable?) per day.
   In the experience of all folks here: How do elderly fuddy-duddies who
   just master email
   copy with those challenges?

   Axel




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Ed Brown wrote:
> I guess you would say he is computer challenged? Tell him to quit
> think old and start studying.

No, not him. Richard is young(-ish) and quite bright if not very
technical. But being a church warden he will get mail from very elderly
and very computer illiterate parishioners. So my question is, do you
suppose these might be put off by a challenge-response from him?

N.B: The name's Axel. But I know that English speaking people often
automatically substitute the more common (to them) Alex.

Axel

On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:54 AM
Ed Brown wrote:

> In the distant past there was some (much) discussion on various anti spam
> programs.

I've had MailWasher for years--not sure how many! It's great.


http://www.mailwasher.net/
Free if you have one email address, and I think now about $50 if you have
more than one.
It downloads the headers and first 20 lines of each email.
Pre-marks recognised spam. It seems to have a pretty extensive list of known
spam.
Shows size of each email and whether there are attachments.
You mark those from friends and it builds a "friends" list.
You mark any spam it's missed and those are added to the black list. It
doesn't miss very many, though.

It has a "bounce" facility, but I don't use that. Seems pretty pointless,
since most spam is from faked addresses.

You can also click a button to show all of the text in any particular email
if you want to.

When you've looked through the headers and unwanted mail is marked, you say
"Process Mail" and it opens your email client. You then click to "Receive
All" and only the good emails are downloaded.
(You have to have your client set to never check for email.)

A bonus is that if you're on dial-up and see that a friend has sent a 2MB
attachment, you can mark that email for deletion, then let the friend know
that you weren't able to receive their email because it was too big for your
mail program.

Updates to paid version are seamless. You d/l the new version of the program
and run the setup. It picks up all your existing settings. I don't know
whether you get the same updates with the free version.

It is taking some time to get my acct setup so I will ask you how to removed the
[unclassified] in the subject line? You do not have [unclassified] in your
subject line.  How did you get rid of it. I was having the same problem,
everytime I replied my subject line looked like this:
Re: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam

and with the [unclassified] in the subject line it was causing problems in
archiving the messages and I had to delete each time I replied which was one
reason that I dropped Popfile.

Ed

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: fw7oaks
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
   Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam


   I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are clear
   enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the better
   it gets.

   http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

   HTH

   fw





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Now that I figured that out, it still puts the name of the bucket in brackets in
front of the Re:[NTO]spam
subject line is "Re [adobe_ps] program halts."  I do not want it to place the
name of the bucket in the subject line and I see yours does not do that. How do
you get rid of it. When I replied to your message in the subject I saw this:
[notetab] Re [NTO] spam and in order to not mess up the archiving of the
messages that must not be there.  I see it is placed there as soon as a new
email arrives and when I reply naturally it is in the subject line also.
Scratching head.
Ed


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: fw7oaks
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
   Subject: Re: [NTO] spam


   I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are clear
   enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the better
   it gets.

   http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

   HTH

   fw





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ah yes that is a problem, if they know how to receive emails and read them that
makes it easier. Perhaps he could start a computer class for the elderly or have
a local school run an evening class for them for a few weeks.  The local
community college does that here and there is usually a full class.
Ed
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Axel Berger
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 16:12
   Subject: [personal] Re: [NTO] spam


   Ed Brown wrote:
   > I guess you would say he is computer challenged? Tell him to quit
   > think old and start studying.

   No, not him. Richard is young(-ish) and quite bright if not very
   technical. But being a church warden he will get mail from very elderly
   and very computer illiterate parishioners. So my question is, do you
   suppose these might be put off by a challenge-response from him?

   N.B: The name's Axel. But I know that English speaking people often
   automatically substitute the more common (to them) Alex.

   Axel




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 10/9/07, alice ttlg <alice.ttlg@...> wrote:
> On 10/9/07, Don - HtmlFixIt.com <don@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just use Thunderbird and it does a pretty decent job.  Ask the isp if
> > they have a challenge response system available.  Those work pretty well
> > too.
>
> One thing to keep in mind with challenge response programs, they can
> cause all kinds of problems with mailing lists that you belong to -

I'll go further than alice and say C/R is plain evil. It's shifting
the cost of filtering spam onto the senders of your email. And
sometimes, it's shifting cost onto third parties who have nothing to
do with your email.

C/R relies on the sender of the email to be correct and that is not
always so. Forging the sender on an email is trivial with most userr
email programs out there (Outlook, Thunderbird, Eudora). So you can
bet all the spambots do it :)

But what's worse is the address that is forged is often real and
valid, so some third party gets challenges for mail that they didn't
send. So in effect, they are being spammed by the C/R system.

I (and others) could go on & on, but in most anti-spam circles, it's a
stain on the ground where the dead horse was. Not that I have a strong
opinion about it, mind you ;-)

--
HTH, YMMV, HANW :)

Jason

My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1, does yours?

"Jason W." wrote:
> Not that I have a strong
> opinion about it, mind you ;-)

Point taken. I am not going to recommend it.

Axel

This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but it certainly
is annoying!

Bruce

That's done with my eMail client. POPFile adds a 'X-Text-Classification header'
('unclassified') and I tell my eMail program to ignore it.  However I should
add that for Yahoo Groups I use the Webmail interface and rely on Yahoo on
pitching the junk, which they do very well, which is why you don't see any
pre-selection on this reply.

Sadly not every eMail client (program) is clever enough to do the necessary
processing.

HTH

fw

--- Ed Brown <ebrown1927@...> wrote:

> It is taking some time to get my acct setup so I will ask you how to removed
> the [unclassified] in the subject line? You do not have [unclassified] in
> your subject line.  How did you get rid of it. I was having the same problem,
> everytime I replied my subject line looked like this:
> Re: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
>
> and with the [unclassified] in the subject line it was causing problems in
> archiving the messages and I had to delete each time I replied which was one
> reason that I dropped Popfile.
>
> Ed
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: fw7oaks
>   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
>   Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam
>
>
>   I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are
> clear
>   enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the
> better
>   it gets.
>
>   http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
>
>   HTH
>
>   fw
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

No it does however, fall under off topic and that happens to be where we
are. Have patience.
E
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruce.somers@...>
To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:12
Subject: [notetab] Re: [NTO] spam


> This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but it
> certainly is annoying!
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Sorry I forgot to remove the hated brackets.  And as much spam as there is
any way to stop is desireable. And there are all these Spam removers which
have the ability to learn what is spam and what is not. This topic is not
only boring to you but there are spammers out there who might also find it
boring.  And this is the off topic list and anything to help each other is
discussed here.
Ed

.
>This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading >SPAM, but it
>certainly is annoying!
>Bruce



----- Original Message -----
From: <bruce.somers@...>
To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:12
Subject: [notetab] Re: [NTO] spam


> This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but it
> certainly is annoying!
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Sorry, I will move over to Yahoo which does an excellent job of filtering
spam but too much adverts to suit me.
E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Brown" <ebrown1927@...>
To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:48
Subject: [personal] Re: [NTO] spam


> Sorry I forgot to remove the hated brackets.  And as much spam as there is
> any way to stop is desireable. And there are all these Spam removers which
> have the ability to learn what is spam and what is not. This topic is not
> only boring to you but there are spammers out there who might also find it
> boring.  And this is the off topic list and anything to help each other is
> discussed here.
> Ed
>
> .
>>This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading >SPAM, but it
>>certainly is annoying!
>>Bruce
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruce.somers@...>
> To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:12
> Subject: [notetab] Re: [NTO] spam
>
>
>> This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but it
>> certainly is annoying!
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

You can manage page content with the "Stylish" Firefox add-on.  I never
see an ad and have lopped off most headers and footers etc.  All I see
is the bare-bones content I want.

--- Ed Brown <ebrown1927@...> wrote:

> Sorry, I will move over to Yahoo which does an excellent job of
> filtering
> spam but too much adverts to suit me.
> E
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Brown" <ebrown1927@...>
> To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:48
> Subject: [personal] Re: [NTO] spam
>
>
> > Sorry I forgot to remove the hated brackets.  And as much spam as
> there is
> > any way to stop is desireable. And there are all these Spam
> removers which
> > have the ability to learn what is spam and what is not. This topic
> is not
> > only boring to you but there are spammers out there who might also
> find it
> > boring.  And this is the off topic list and anything to help each
> other is
> > discussed here.
> > Ed
> >
> > .
> >>This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading >SPAM, but
> it
> >>certainly is annoying!
> >>Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <bruce.somers@...>
> > To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 18:12
> > Subject: [notetab] Re: [NTO] spam
> >
> >
> >> This barrage of messages may not fall under the heading SPAM, but
> it
> >> certainly is annoying!
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



      
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"Ed Brown" <ebrown1927@...> said on Oct 09, 2007 16:44 -0400 (in
part):

It is taking some time to get my acct setup so I will ask you how to
removed the [unclassified] in the subject line? You do not have
[unclassified] in your subject line.  How did you get rid of it. I was
having the same problem, everytime I replied my subject line looked
like this:
Re: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam

  Ed: the tags can be suppressed for particular buckets - in the Popfile-UI
go to the Buckets tab where you have these choices for each bucket:

    - Subject Header Modification
    - X-Text-Classification Header
    - X-POPFile-Link Header
    - Quarantine Message


and with the [unclassified] in the subject line it was causing
problems in archiving the messages and I had to delete each time I
replied which was one reason that I dropped Popfile.

  What email client are you using? With Thunderbird you can use the X-Text
Classification as the basis for filtering (including automatically putting
all Unclassified in a particular folder because each one should be
re-classified in the PopFile UI).

If interested have a look at a recent post I made to the Popfile sourceforge
forum:

    - *RE: Pre-existing T-Bird filters work with
Pop<https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4555956>
    *

I hope you'll give it another try :-) .
K9 is another free one that does a good job.
If you've got the inclination/ability to switch from Yahoo-Web Mail to
Google-gmail you'll find that it does a pretty good job of filtering spam
and with the auto-forward to POP3 account you get (IMO) the best of both
worlds!


Ed

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: fw7oaks
   To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:32
   Subject: [unclassified] Re: [NTO] spam


   I'm using POPFile, a bit of a fiddle to set up, but the instructions are clear
   enough if you take your time and don't rush, the more spam you get the better
   it gets.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Axel-Berger@... wrote:
> alice ttlg wrote:
> > Filtering your incoming mail is much less intrusive to legitimate
> > senders and a much better solution than challenge/response programs,
> > imho.
> Well said. There may be exceptions. I know a church warden with a well
> known and frequently published address he can't easily change and who
> gets 300 spam (spams? Is spam countable?) per day.
> In the experience of all folks here: How do elderly fuddy-duddies who
> just master email
> copy with those challenges?
> Axel
>
We don't.   We just delete them with glee!  When we can remember....

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:32:18 +1000, you wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:54 AM
>Ed Brown wrote:
>
>> In the distant past there was some (much) discussion on various anti spam
>> programs.
>
>I've had MailWasher for years--not sure how many! It's great.

Same here, highly recommended.  There is a free version but it's well worth
paying for the pro version.  The best part of it is that it checks the mail 'at
the ISP level' & junk/spam get deleted 'before' it get downloaded to your
computer... great for the junk/spam that has large attachments.

>
>
>http://www.mailwasher.net/
>Free if you have one email address, and I think now about $50 if you have
>more than one.
>It downloads the headers and first 20 lines of each email.
>Pre-marks recognised spam. It seems to have a pretty extensive list of known
>spam.
>Shows size of each email and whether there are attachments.
>You mark those from friends and it builds a "friends" list.
>You mark any spam it's missed and those are added to the black list. It
>doesn't miss very many, though.
>
>It has a "bounce" facility, but I don't use that. Seems pretty pointless,
>since most spam is from faked addresses.
>
>You can also click a button to show all of the text in any particular email
>if you want to.
>
>When you've looked through the headers and unwanted mail is marked, you say
>"Process Mail" and it opens your email client. You then click to "Receive
>All" and only the good emails are downloaded.
>(You have to have your client set to never check for email.)
>
>A bonus is that if you're on dial-up and see that a friend has sent a 2MB
>attachment, you can mark that email for deletion, then let the friend know
>that you weren't able to receive their email because it was too big for your
>mail program.
>
>Updates to paid version are seamless. You d/l the new version of the program
>and run the setup. It picks up all your existing settings. I don't know
>whether you get the same updates with the free version.
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
--

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Eric Fookes wrote:
> If you have the registered version of NoteTab and use the News
> and Updates feature to download updates, then you will be
> downloading the latest update of the registered version
> - not a trial version.

Let's see if I've understood that correctly: The "ntp550_Setup.exe" I
have just got is not the same file distributed to everyone but a
personalized one for me. So if I lose everything on my computer and
start from scratch on a new one, this one single file is all I need to
become a fully registered pro-user again.
You might make that plainer for dumbos like me. The conventional way is
to serve one file to everyone and read registration details from the
registry, so one needs to backup more than just the last downloaded
version.
Or, if I've still not got it, could you explain further.

Axel

On 10/10/07, Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@...> wrote:
>
> Eric Fookes wrote:
> > If you have the registered version of NoteTab and use the News
> > and Updates feature to download updates, then you will be
> > downloading the latest update of the registered version
> > - not a trial version.
>
> Let's see if I've understood that correctly: The "ntp550_Setup.exe" I
> have just got is not the same file distributed to everyone but a
> personalized one for me.


I think the only "personalization" here is that "News and Updates"
checks/authenticates/knows that your current installation is a genuine
licensed; then it allows you to download the updated or latest version of
the original setup file. (I think it is more of an authentication
check/verify rather than a "personalization").  (so I think "no it is not
"personalized" but it did "authenticate" which in turn allowed the download
to begin).

<quote>
The only difference with the updates and the original full setup file is
that the English thesaurus and dictionary are not included. But those
can be downloaded any time from the NoteTab web site.
</quote>

I think, in actuality, that *perhaps* would read as "further difference"
instead of "only difference" due to the downloaded or update setup file
differs from the original setup file in that the download contains the
latest version of Notetab rather than what your original setup file contains
which may be an older (not latest) version of Notetab.

To recap:  First difference is the download which is the very latest version
of Notetab (your orig setup file may be an older version of Notetab).  And,
further noted differences, are what Eric said about the thesaurus and
dictionary files.

So if I lose everything on my computer and
> start from scratch on a new one,

[ . . ]

Then all you should need is the most recent download that you had received
through "News and Updates" (put that downloaded puppy onto a cd disk or
elsewhere for safe keeping) for it is the setup/installation.  And, said
dictionary and thesaurus files mentioned elsewhere herein.  And (if you want
your own or your personal settings back) then you need to have previously
saved or backed up to somewhere a copy of notepro.ini (or the main app ini
if it is not Notetab Pro) so that you can restore back this .ini (overwrite
the file using your backed up copy to do so) (also -- always back up an
original before it gets overwritten) -- do or accomplish this last step
(ini) after you get Notetab installed and up and running.

--
Alan.


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Hi Axel,

> Let's see if I've understood that correctly: The "ntp550_Setup.exe" I
> have just got is not the same file distributed to everyone but a
> personalized one for me.

I don't understand what you mean by "personalized". Everyone downloading
the update through the registered version of NoteTab Pro 5 gets the same
file. Obviously, those who don't have the registered version of NoteTab
cannot download the registered update this way.

> So if I lose everything on my computer and
> start from scratch on a new one, this one single file is all I need to
> become a fully registered pro-user again.

Yes, that is correct. And it enables you to download future free
updates. As mentioned earlier, you'd have to download the dictionary and
thesaurus files to benefit from those features.

> You might make that plainer for dumbos like me. The conventional way is
> to serve one file to everyone and read registration details from the
> registry, so one needs to backup more than just the last downloaded
> version.

There is no conventional way. There are many different methods for the
delivery of registered updates.

--
Regards,

Eric Fookes
http://www.fookes.com/

Eric Fookes wrote:
> Everyone downloading the update through the registered version
> of NoteTab Pro 5 gets the same file. Obviously, those who don't
> have the registered version of NoteTab
> cannot download the registered update this way.

So that's where the registration is "hidden", i.e. where you tell the
difference between between a registered user and one that's not.
Seems even I have got that now.
But tell me:
With other ways of registration you can't usually prevent distribution
but you can at least pinpoint the source of those copies. It seems that
you have no means of preventing dozens of recipients becoming "new
users" with full access to update.
Thank you for your trust in all our honesty.

Axel

Hi Axel,

>> Everyone downloading the update through the registered version
>> of NoteTab Pro 5 gets the same file. Obviously, those who don't
>> have the registered version of NoteTab
>> cannot download the registered update this way.
>
> So that's where the registration is "hidden", i.e. where you tell the
> difference between between a registered user and one that's not.
> Seems even I have got that now.

There is no hidden registration. The paid version of NoteTab is a
different file from the trial version. If you have the paid version,
then you can download updates of the paid version. If you have the trial
version, you cannot get copies of the paid version through the update
feature.

--
Regards,

Eric Fookes
http://www.fookes.com/

I'll never get around to actually reading it, but hey, it's free!
<http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/freebook.php>
(Time limited offer)

Lotta

Other than it suggests an editor other than Notetab and the page numbers don't
agree with the contents, it seems as good a place as anywhere to start and as
Lotta says the price is nice.

fw

--- loro <loro-spam01-@...> wrote:

> I'll never get around to actually reading it, but hey, it's free!
> <http://www.sitepoint.com/books/rails1/freebook.php>
> (Time limited offer)
>
> Lotta
>
>