Several links checkers are out there, I use the freeware Xenu Link Sleuth.


Jeff

Axel Berger wrote:
> Mike Breiding wrote:
>
>> but this involves link outside my server.
>>
>
> The "to" part of the redirect needs to be a fully qualified URL
> "http://...". It can point anywhere.
>
>
>> and that links to a page on a another server which is unavailable
>>
>
> Ah, now I see. No, you can't do that. A redirect must be specified
> by someone in control of the server in question - anything else
> would be open to abuse.
> What should be possible is a (Java)script. You might just request
> the headers, look at the return code and branch from there. But it
> would take me about two days to work this out in detail, so I won't
> try just now.
>
>
>> Spending great amounts of time adding outside links and then,
>> sometimes within weeks having my pages populated with "dead"
>> links. Frustrating!
>>
>
> I half remember some tool or other to crawl your site and check all
> the links for you. Forgot all details, sorry.
>
> Axel
>
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:15:29 -0700, you wrote:

>Mike Breiding wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Anyone know how to set up a redirect for any missing page to another
>> specific page?
>> I am not talking about a 404 redirect but a redirect which would send
>> the request to a specific page for any page not available.
>>
>> In other words:
>> If I have a link on one of my pages to www.deadlink.com and that page is
>> no longer available, it would redirect to another page which I specify.
>
>I don't think this can be done, there is no way to bring back the
>visitor after they've been directed to another website, whether the url
>sent to is dead or not. Once they move off your domain, you lose control.
>
>Mick

What can work is opening the link in another window buy using 'target' eg,
<A href="http://www.deadlink.com" target="_blank">This is a link</A>
with a note telling the people that a new window will be opened.  That way they
can view the other site (or lack of) but haven't actually left your site.  I
think you can even specify the size of the new window but I haven't needed that
so haven't investigated how that's done.


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www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
www.parkdaleyc.com (where most of them sail)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/ (where we talk about them)

It appears on a quick google that some programs of this nature do in
fact exist:
http://coding.phpground.net/downloads-cat28.html

I have not played with any of these, but I suppose you could run them a
couple of times a day on a cron job and report back to yourself.  You
could also write a cgi script for out-links that would advance check I
suppose, but then that would slow life down for the legitimate links.  I
guess you could also build in a cache file so that it only checks if it
hasn't been accesses in the last ____ period of time.  If it was a good
link an hour ago, just let it go, if it was a good link three days ago,
check before sending you.

> 4. I have to believe that there is a perl, php or javascript we could
> write that would link check and report back to us.  In a real advanced
> world I suppose -- depending on how your pages are made -- it could even
> fix the links for you.  I have never seen such a script, but couldn't be
> that tough to write.

Mike Breiding wrote:
> Xenu's Link Sleuth perhaps?
> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html
> It is fine for after the fact problem reporting but I want
> to be preemptive.

Thanks for that link, very helpful for me. As to your comment, isn't
the opposite true? Any kind of reaction or redirection will only
fire if and when someone actually clicks that link. Running a crawl
can prevent that. And what would you redirect to? "Sorry, that link
seems to be dead, please tell me about it."? The user will work the
first part out for himself and in nine cases out of ten ignore the
second. On top of that you'll make it nearly impossible for him to
look for the page himself, most lost pages are down to internal
restructuring in my experinence.

Axel

Axel Berger wrote:
>  And what would you redirect to? "Sorry, that link
> seems to be dead, please tell me about it."? The user will work the
> first part out for himself and in nine cases out of ten ignore the
> second. On top of that you'll make it nearly impossible for him to
> look for the page himself, most lost pages are down to internal
> restructuring in my experinence.
This is what I had in mind:

If  this link was dead:
http://www.calfeefuneralhome.com/sitemaker/sites/calfee0/obit.cgi?user=lawrence-\
cavendish

It would refer to this link:
http://epicroadtrips.us/dad/journals/travel/usa/central_states_north_trip_june_2\
-15_1977/off_site/l_cavendish_obit_files/l_cavendish_obit.html

Mike Breiding wrote:
> This is what I had in mind:

I see, substitute a local copy. Sounds reasonable. I'll try to think
about it.

Axel

Axel Berger wrote:
> Mike Breiding wrote:This is what I had in mind:
> I see, substitute a local copy. Sounds reasonable. I'll try to think
> about it.

Thanks, Axel
Let me know what you come up with.
-Mike

Mike Breiding wrote:
>
> Axel Berger wrote:
> > Mike Breiding wrote:This is what I had in mind:
> > I see, substitute a local copy. Sounds reasonable. I'll try to think
> > about it.
>
> Thanks, Axel
> Let me know what you come up with.
> -Mike
>
Perhaps you can have it look for the Google cached copy?

Jeff

Jeff Scism wrote:
> Mike Breiding wrote:
>
>> Axel Berger wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Breiding wrote:This is what I had in mind:
>>> I see, substitute a local copy. Sounds reasonable. I'll try to think
>>> about it.
>>>
>> Thanks, Axel
>> Let me know what you come up with.
>> -Mike
>>
>>
> Perhaps you can have it look for the Google cached copy?
>
I assume these caches are temporary.
Generally, when a link I have used is dead, it is buried, not just a
temporary situation.
Thanks,
-Mike

> Jeff
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Mike Breiding wrote:
>
> Jeff Scism wrote:
> > Mike Breiding wrote:
> >
> I assume these caches are temporary.
> Generally, when a link I have used is dead, it is buried, not just a
> temporary situation.
> Thanks,
> -Mike
>
http://www.archive.org/ has the wayback machine with archived webpages
going back years. (They don't sample the last year on the site, but
anything older than that should have  something.)

Jeff

Jeff Scism wrote:
>>
> http://www.archive.org/ has the wayback machine with archived webpages
> going back years. (They don't sample the last year on the site, but
> anything older than that should have  something.) Jeff
Hi Jeff,
I have found www.archive.org to be a problem because there are often
missing graphics, etc.

Thanks,
-Mike

Hello,
Looking for a program which counts elements (such as image files) in a
main folder with sub-folders in, and produces a report which can be later
printed as a list.
Thanks in advance
Mordechai


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M.M. wrote:
  > Hello,
  > Looking for a program which counts elements (such as image files) in a
  > main folder with sub-folders in, and produces a report which can be later
  > printed as a list.
  > Thanks in advance
  > Mordechai

Mordechai,

This could be done with a clip, or, you could download and try this
program from Mitec.

http://www.mitec.cz/dirlist.html

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Art Kocsis (artkns@...) wrote (in part) (on 2008-07-19 at 14:35):
> I don't know how to handle off-topic stuff here so I just flagged it
> in the
> subject. Sorry.
Usual method is first responder who realizes that a topic has already or
is about to drift far enough off topic that Jody is rolling in his grave
sends a last reply to the group in which it originated and cc.'s it at
the same time to ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com (which I've done).

My usual problem is that next to figuring out weird things that be done
with Regular Expressions (Flo is another kindred spirit who as I recall
went from "what's a regular expression" to guru in almost no time flat)
and Sheri is the acknowledged master ... my other favorite topic is
software programs with an emphasis on how they can be "stuck" together
to accomplish more that they could do separately - frequently with some
Notetab clips in the middle to act as glue or a channel depending on how
you think of it.

> Well, you've done it again - cost me another 3-4 hours of DLs and getting
> side-tracked with interesting stuff <g>.
sorry about that Art <g> Internet, Google and downloads can really lead
you on some funny trails. I remember as a 10 or 11 year old spending a
couple of hours making a cross-reference tree by starting with one
article in a (hard-copy of course - this was about 1960) Encyclopedia
and and seeing where each of the linked articles at the bottom led. I
was a weird fellow even back then!
>
> It was probably me who suggested Beyond Compare as I feel it is one of
> the top two programs ever written (ZTree is the other.).
You are of course correct - Beyond Compare DOES have Horiz-Vertical tool
buttons. See this screenshot showing CompareIt! and BeyondCompare
showing diffs in the same set of files.

http://screencast.com/t/lTKSwzPO8

This is a clumsy example since the easiest files I could find to compare
was a text-file in which I had changed all left-right quote marks
(source was a copy from a PDF document pasted as text) to regular single
quote. The screen shot shows that instead of actually making the change
in Notetab, I could have forced [’] and ['] to compare equal.

Don't blame me if the following two send you on yet another wild goose
chase ...
Component Software ... http://www.componentsoftware.com/download.htm has
a couple of specialized comparison programs ExcelDiff and HTMLDiff which
compare (you guessed it) HTML and Excel spreadsheets in their formatted
form - VERY pricey though $99/ea !!!

Have you looked at / seen/ worked with WebSiteWatch? ... its claim to
fame is the ability to set up a list of web-sites to be checked for
changes. I have one set of bookmarks consisting of all the websites for
all the programs I've ever downloaded. (Around 700+ programs). It can
check all 700 in about 10 or 15 minutes and present nicely formated
comparison pages that highlight the changes. Has VERY powerful support
for regular expressions that allows you to ignore dates that change
every day or changes in AD banners, site visitors etc and focus on just
getting those (say) 10 or 15 pages reported for which the program has
had a new version released.

Hey Art ... get back to work !!! <g>

--
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Alec Burgess wrote:
>
> Art Kocsis (artkns@...) wrote (in part) (on 2008-07-19 at
> 14:35):
>
>>
>> It was probably me who suggested Beyond Compare as I feel it is one of
>> the top two programs ever written (ZTree is the other.).
> You are of course correct - Beyond Compare DOES have Horiz-Vertical
> tool buttons. See this screenshot showing CompareIt! and BeyondCompare
> showing diffs in the same set of files.
>> I forget who suggested BeyondCompare - FWIW - its slick for what it
>> does well, but curiously deficient in some (IMO) obvious
>> features/requirements. Namely toggle Horiz/Vertical comparisons and
>> support for pre-compare modifications as described above.
>
Art:
Reviewing changes in Sheri's latest ClipCodeSyntax57R2 made me remember
what my complaint with BeyondCompare was. As you say and I verified it
HAS horizontal | vertical compare. What it does NOT have  is Set word
wrap (I somehow confused the two in my first message.)  KDiff3, WinMatch
and CompareIt! all have Word Wrap. BC 3's use of tabs (a la Notetab) and
ability to advance from one file with differences to next is very slick.
I'll keep using it as long as the beta version continues to work
(EOM-August I believe) but probably won't buy it.

Actually Notetab is one of only two programs I've ever bought - the
other was Symantec AntiVirus+System Utilities 2000- which I totally
dumped about 6 years ago as I slowly discovered that everything it
included could be replaced with free (and largely - IMHO) better programs.

see: http://www.scootersoftware.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3528
and this response (at the end)
> Back to your original question, BC 3 beta doesn't support word-wrap,
> and we won't be able to add it in for the official BC 3.0 release.
> Word-wrap is still on our wish list for a future version.
> __________________
> Chris K /Scooter Software/

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Hello,
While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some advise
from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid some
of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
experienced people.
Many thanks in advance
Mordechai


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Have never heard of Genie but started using Acronis many years ago.  It worked
perfectly through multiple image restores when I was using Windows.   It creates
Windows images quickly but it takes a very long time to create an image of the
Ubuntu ext3 partitions so I haven't used it much since switching OS.  Might be
because I'm still using Acronis TI 8 - never upgraded.

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, M.M. <m.mordechai@...> wrote:

> From: M.M. <m.mordechai@...>
> Subject: [NTO] About Backup program
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 1:12 PM
> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to
> have some advise
> from you about two "final candidates":
> "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but
> I am afraid some
> of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would
> like to have it from
> experienced people.
> Many thanks in advance
> Mordechai
>

M.M. wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some advise
> from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".

The programs you are considering as alternatives are *very* different,
although you can say of both that they make backups.

Acronis and the like make images of whole drives (= partitions). You
cannot use them for anything else.

Genie is a general backup program.

I myself have Terabyte imaging software. I always use the DOS version,
which comes, bundled together with TB Image for Linux, as an extra with
TB Image for Windows, The bundled ones are standalone and are booted
from a CD-ROM.
I never use the actual Image for Windows itself, but I do not mean to
imply that others can make good use of the Windows version.

You can do a lot more with imaging software than just backing up a
drive, e.g. you can put a customized version of Windows onto any number
of drives, or rather PCs, in a network.

For general backup for Windows I use GoodSync, that you can use to
backup and to synchronize.

There are several good alternatives for both, but these are the two I am
very happy with.

Cheers,
Gerard


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Hi sister,

On 23 Jul 08 20:05 sisterscape <sisterscape@...> said:
> started using Acronis many years ago.  It worked perfectly through
> multiple image restores when I was using Windows.

I always understod that disk image software was more designed for
creating one-off snapshots of a disk, from boot sector up and should
not be considered a "backup" tool.

I understood that disk imaging software was useful for, for example,
creating a standard installation disk ready for multiple installs of
new machines to a company standard and that, if compressed as disk
images, it becomes difficult to access individual documents/files from
that image.

This being the case, disk imaging software was not ideal for
day-to-day running backup of changed document files and software
customisation, etc.

Should we be asking what kind of issue Mordechai is trying to protect
against, eg total loss of the disk, or corruption of an individual
file?

Greg

Mordechai

Acronis has a good reputation. Personally, I use and recommend Image for
Windows / Image for DOS. Have a look at http://www.terabyteunlimited.com
for details. For general file and folder backups, some suggestions
are...

- Directory Opus SYNCH capability. (http://www.gpsoft.com.au)
- Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com)
- Second Copy (http://www.centered.com)

Regards, John Mitchell

----- Original message -----
From: "M.M." <m.mordechai@...>
To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:12:13 +0200
Subject: [NTO] About Backup program

Hello,
While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some
advise
from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid
some
of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
experienced people.
Many thanks in advance
Mordechai


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Acronis can image the entire disk, individual partitions and in the newer
versions, I believe folders depending how you set it up.

I always created my images of the entire hard drive via the Acronis boot disk to
a second internal or external hard drive.  When I 'restored' it was the of the
entire disk.

There is an option to mount a disk image and from there browse via a file
browser that allows retrieval of individual files. Unfortunately, no ext3 file
browsing capabilities with TI 8.  I believe that later versions do allow for
that.

I found Acronis rather daunting to figure out even though there is a GUI.  The
manuals for later versions had me glaze over - one reason I never upgraded. That
being said . . . the effort was well worth it.  Acronis saved my bacon on
several occasions - back up and running in minutes.

sister

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...> wrote:

> From: Greg Chapman <gregchapmanuk@...>
> Subject: Re: [NTO] About Backup program
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:36 PM
> Hi sister,
>
> On 23 Jul 08 20:05 sisterscape
> <sisterscape@...> said:
> > started using Acronis many years ago.  It worked
> perfectly through
> > multiple image restores when I was using Windows.
>
> I always understod that disk image software was more
> designed for
> creating one-off snapshots of a disk, from boot sector up
> and should
> not be considered a "backup" tool.
>
> I understood that disk imaging software was useful for, for
> example,
> creating a standard installation disk ready for multiple
> installs of
> new machines to a company standard and that, if compressed
> as disk
> images, it becomes difficult to access individual
> documents/files from
> that image.
>
> This being the case, disk imaging software was not ideal
> for
> day-to-day running backup of changed document files and
> software
> customisation, etc.
>
> Should we be asking what kind of issue Mordechai is trying
> to protect
> against, eg total loss of the disk, or corruption of an
> individual
> file?
>
> Greg
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hello,
Thanks to you all.
I see that something was missing in my question - sorry - well,
the main purpose I look for a backup program is to backup personal data
such as documents (letters, e-mail etc.), photografs, movie clips,
address and telephone book, bank account.
And to have in mind a whole system backup in case of disk crash.
Thanks again
Mordechai



On 7/23/08, John Mitchell <notetab@...> wrote:
>
>   Mordechai
>
> Acronis has a good reputation. Personally, I use and recommend Image for
> Windows / Image for DOS. Have a look at http://www.terabyteunlimited.com
> for details. For general file and folder backups, some suggestions
> are...
>
> - Directory Opus SYNCH capability. (http://www.gpsoft.com.au)
> - Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com)
> - Second Copy (http://www.centered.com)
>
> Regards, John Mitchell
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "M.M." <m.mordechai@... <m.mordechai%40gmail.com>>
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:12:13 +0200
> Subject: [NTO] About Backup program
>
> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some
> advise
> from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid
> some
> of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
> experienced people.
> Many thanks in advance
> Mordechai
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Better yet, check out this freebie. its saved me MANY TIMES.. I depend on it
every day as I leave work. I backup any edited files that day to my pen
drive and use that to update my pc when I get home so if I need to work from
home, I always have current data.



Everyday Auto Backup (1.02)

http://www.backupsoft.net



IT'S A LIFESAVER!



Laurie





From: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of M.M.
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:12 PM
To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NTO] About Backup program



Hello,
While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some advise
from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid some
of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
experienced people.
Many thanks in advance
Mordechai

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Just filtering through this thread.. It sounds like you need a simple user
friendly app rather than a disk imaging type program, right?

Again, Everyday Auto Backup can be set for specific times of the day or
every day, week, month, every Monday, or Tuesday, etc.

It might be just what you need. simplicity is the key J



Ok, I'm shupping now J



From: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of M.M.
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:28 PM
To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NTO] About Backup program



Hello,
Thanks to you all.
I see that something was missing in my question - sorry - well,
the main purpose I look for a backup program is to backup personal data
such as documents (letters, e-mail etc.), photografs, movie clips,
address and telephone book, bank account.
And to have in mind a whole system backup in case of disk crash.
Thanks again
Mordechai

On 7/23/08, John Mitchell <notetab@...
<mailto:notetab%40lists.joggernet.com> > wrote:
>
> Mordechai
>
> Acronis has a good reputation. Personally, I use and recommend Image for
> Windows / Image for DOS. Have a look at http://www.terabyteunlimited.com
> for details. For general file and folder backups, some suggestions
> are...
>
> - Directory Opus SYNCH capability. (http://www.gpsoft.com.au)
> - Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com)
> - Second Copy (http://www.centered.com)
>
> Regards, John Mitchell
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "M.M." <m.mordechai@... <mailto:m.mordechai%40gmail.com>
<m.mordechai%40gmail.com>>
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
<ntb-OffTopic%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:12:13 +0200
> Subject: [NTO] About Backup program
>
> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some
> advise
> from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid
> some
> of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
> experienced people.
> Many thanks in advance
> Mordechai
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

M.M. wrote:
  > Hello,
  > While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some
advise
  > from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
  > and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
  > I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am
afraid some
  > of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
  > experienced people.
  > Many thanks in advance
  > Mordechai

Mordechai,

You might try SyncBack free version, several features. This is the link.
Good Luck.

http://www.2brightsparks.com/assets/software/SyncBack_Setup.zip
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For file backup, Second Copy <http://www.centered.com/> is another excellent
option.  I used it for many years with Windows in addition to Acronis.


--- On Wed, 7/23/08, M.M. <m.mordechai@...> wrote:

> From: M.M. <m.mordechai@...>
> Subject: Re: [NTO] About Backup program
> To: ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 5:27 PM
> Hello,
> Thanks to you all.
> I see that something was missing in my question - sorry -
> well,
> the main purpose I look for a backup program is to backup
> personal data
> such as documents (letters, e-mail etc.), photografs, movie
> clips,
> address and telephone book, bank account.
> And to have in mind a whole system backup in case of disk
> crash.
> Thanks again
> Mordechai
>
>

PS there's free, open source software to do this but (for the ones I know
about anyways) it's a bit more work (save partition table to a file, disk
image each partition at a time) rather than an entire HD at once.

systemrescuecd   partimage    (for starters if interested)

Hi. I have and use Acronis T.I. Home edition version 10.0.  It blurs the
line between disk image and backup software -- can, from backup, both access
your files and do incremental backups as well as restore the disk image if
you desire to do so.

I've been with Acronis True Image (they need to change what they call it for
it's long since been much more than "just an imaging software") upwards of
several years now, upgraded multiple times since somewhere near their
version 8.0

10.0 does Linux ext3 and ext2 partitions very fast for me (Slackware 12.0
and Debian 4.0) as fast as it does Windows for me (perhaps the Acronis 8.0
or a different Linux file sys slows it on 8.0?)  does not support, will not
work with LVM on Linux, I found that out on Fedora Linux distro.

I use it for disk image [full backup], shoot my image across my network,
thus the said image stores on another, a networked PC which this latter PC
happens to be a Linux box running a Samba server.

I've not tried it for files . .  but . .  Once you make an initial disk
image [full backup archive -- read on!], you then can

on the next go around, opt (if you want) to add what's changed (incremental)
right onto the former image.

You can get at (access, copy, etc.) all of your files that are inside the
disk image.

I think supports USB HD -- I know it supports a dedicated partition on one
huge HD if you only have one HD -- dunno how good its support for the next
but it does support doing full (or maybe/maybe_not the incremental) backup
directly to a DVD disk(s).

The line be a bit if not more so blurred nowadays between "backup software"
versus "disk imaging" software -- my mentioned version of Acronis is both,
all in one -- though I've not used it for incremental (after the initial so
called full backup which is a disk image) nor have I accessed files from the
disk image which they also sometime refer to as a "backup archive".  Thus
the "blur" ie disk image, full backup, backup archive  <- all one and the
same vis a vis Acronis.  Incremental merely adds what has changed onto the
"backup archive".

Acronis tried few times to sell me upgrade to 11.0 has been out for a while
now (yet even more features?).  With me and my use, it can't get any better
than what 10.0 does for me (I've not *yet* upgraded to 11.0).  Alan.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:12 AM, M. M. <m.mordechai@...> wrote:

> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some advise
> from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid some
> of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
> experienced people.
> Many thanks in advance
> Mordechai
>


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"M.M." wrote:
> looking for a decent backup program,

Not a direct answer to your question, but this is how I do it:
I don't back up my whole 400 GB disk but only the three important
partitions of about 11 GB, though I do keep distributed copies of
all important data, e.g. 120 GB of recorded radio plays.

On an extra disk not normally connected there is a backup folder
containing folders C,E, and F. I synchronize those partitions into
them using Totalcommander. The advantage of syncing is, that only
changed files get copied, important when backing up the notebook
over a WLAN.

Then there are two possibilities:
a) Compress the whole backup folder and keep several generations of
those ZIPs.
b) Copy the whole backup folder. With several generations of folders
you can file-compare them pairwise and delete all those that are
equal in the older one. You can then go back a long way with a
minimum of storage.
I don't need any extra software besides Winzip and Totalcommander

One important hint:
My system partition is E:. I always run two drives with primary
partitions, so E: is the first extended partition on the first
drive. You can't write into the system partition in a running
windows and possibly windows won't run. DOS can't copy long file
names. What to do?
I connect a third drive whose primary partitons carries a mirror of
a working system partition. No those three primary partitions get
mapped as C, D, E and my real system partition becomes F, so I can
wipe it if needed and write my newest backup.

Axel

M.M. (m.mordechai@...), Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:12 PM

> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some
> advise from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am
> afraid some of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to
> have it from experienced people.

I used to know people who are fond of Acronis, and I have myself extended
the number of Genie licenses upon upgrading to v8 to cover my three
computers.

This thread has already mentioned disk images and file-based backup. I tend
to do them alternatingly. (Somewhat like someone else might perform
incremental backups and from time to time a full one.) I may have delevoped
a slight preference for images - if I can explore that image and retrieve
individual files from it. Otherwise I prefer file-based. But it's 51:49.

For the images I happen to use the Hard Disk Manager Professional by
Paragon, but the backup module is also separately available. It can omit
empty clusters and "useless" files like pagefile.sys from the image.
I think that Partition Magic has (or at least had) a similar companion.

Genie Backup Manager Pro appeals to me in that it lets you perform backups
either by the file (or directory) or by user profile, and it has some
scripting features (that I haven't used yet).
Judging from your later message this may be what you want.

I also use the Backup component of the Nero burning suite for file-based
backup, and also on one computer GRBackPro. The latter zips the files by the
directory, which sometimes appeals and sometimes doesn't. I can easily
browse the archives with anything that can read ZIP files (with password
applied).
This approach may be convenient or not. At least the file format is
independent of the program.

And finally I extensively use an archiver, in my caseWinRAR, for storing
incidental groups of files.

So it depends...

--
Chris Laarman

Greetings,
I use the freeware version of 2BrightSparks SyncBack.
I find it serves my puposed of backing up from one drive to another
quite well.
http://www.2brightsparks.com/
-Mike

M.M. wrote:
> Hello,
> While looking for a decent backup program, I would like to have some advise
> from you about two "final candidates": "*Acronis true image*"
> and "*Genie backup manager pro*".
> I read some reviews about these two, both are praised, but I am afraid some
> of the reviews are more 'commercial', so I would like to have it from
> experienced people.
> Many thanks in advance
> Mordechai
>
>
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