Op 18/07/2012 15:08, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV schreef:

> http://wildwonderfulwv.us/2012/format_code/
> has a screen shot of a formatting code from MS Word.
> It is a "bent arrow".
>
> Can anyone tell me what this is, what it does and if it is needed?


You can that turn off, or on, somewhere in options. Normally you do not
need it.
--
Adrien

On 7/18/2012 9:25 AM, Adrien Verlee wrote:
> Op 18/07/2012 15:08, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV schreef:
>
>  > http://wildwonderfulwv.us/2012/format_code/
>  > has a screen shot of a formatting code from MS Word.
>  > It is a "bent arrow".
>  > Can anyone tell me what this is, what it does and if it is needed?
>
> You can that turn off, or on, somewhere in options. Normally you do not
> need it.

I realize I can hide/reveal the formatting codes.
My question is: what is this particular code for?
Thanks,
-Mike

Appears to be a return.  If you type a bunch of long text it
distinguishes when there is a real return vs word wrapped text for space
I think.

You have hidden characters revealed and a return character (or line feed
and return) is what is showing there.


> I realize I can hide/reveal the formatting codes.
> My question is: what is this particular code for?
> Thanks,
> -Mike

I think it's for the 'Enter' key on the computer.
Probably means new line or carriage return?



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On 7/18/2012 9:25 AM, Adrien Verlee wrote:
> Op 18/07/2012 15:08, Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV schreef:
>
> > http://wildwonderfulwv.us/2012/format_code/
> > has a screen shot of a formatting code from MS Word.
> > It is a "bent arrow".
> > Can anyone tell me what this is, what it does and if it is needed?
>
> You can that turn off, or on, somewhere in options. Normally you do not
> need it.

I realize I can hide/reveal the formatting codes.
My question is: what is this particular code for?
Thanks,
-Mike





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On 7/18/2012 9:33 AM, John Wallace wrote:
> I think it's for the 'Enter' key on the computer.
> Probably means new line or carriage return?


Yep.
That's it.
Thanks,
-Mike

Hi Mike,

On 18 Jul 12 14:55 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
<mike@...> said:
> > I think it's for the 'Enter' key on the computer.
> > Probably means new line or carriage return?

There's no OR about it! The difference in paragraph and line end
symbols is highly significant!

For reasons lost in word processing history, unlike a typewriter, the
default action of a word processor when hitting the carriage return
key is the insert an "end of  paragraph" code into a document.

Paragraphs are a vitally important concept within word processing (or
web design) because they can be styled as a distinct block of text.

It is a huge disadvantage to the modern word processor operator that
to help old fashioned typists, when word processors were first
introduced, that the default setting for paragraph styling in word
processors is to have no line space above. This allowed typists to do
their traditional thing and hit the carriage return twice when they
wanted a new paragraph.

For the modern user this has the major disadvantage that it leaves an
empty paragraph following every paragraph.  (In some ways it was an
understandable decision when only daisy wheel printers were available
and playing with fonts, font-size and other features of the modern
word processor didn't exist.) The bent arrow symbol is indeed an "end
of line" mark as distinct from an "end of paragraph" and it is a very
useful feature.

For example, when constructing a letterhead, you might want the
address to be styled as a single block of text, instead of five or six
separate paragraphs. Hitting SHIFT-CR on any modern word processor
will insert a new line code and allows the block of text to be treated
as a single paragraph - which it surely is, in any semantic sense.

There's one other (these days, standard) keystroke that is equally
vital for any word processor operator to know and that is CTRL-CR
which inserts an "end of page" code in the document.

NoteTab does recognise the CTRL-CR keystroke to insert an "end of
page" mark, but paragraphs are an alien concept to a text editor, so
it only only inserts "end of line" codes when you hit the CR key (the
same as it does when hitting SHIFT-CR).

Greg

Hi Greg,
Thanks for you insight into this.

This cropped up when I composed and email in Thunderbird and then pasted
it into MS Word.
This replaced all the paragraph codes with the line break code.

If I first paste into NT then copy and paste from NT into Word, this
does not happen. But, of coarse I lose any styling or hyperlinks by
doing this.

You point about what a paragraph is I had not really thought much about.
I just do what I think is appropriate, but I will think more about what
a paragraph actually is and start thinking more about using line breaks
where appropriate.
-Mike

===================


On 7/18/2012 11:45 AM, Greg Chapman wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> On 18 Jul 12 14:55 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
> <mike@... <mailto:mike%40WildWonderfulWV.us>> said:
>  > > I think it's for the 'Enter' key on the computer.
>  > > Probably means new line or carriage return?
>
> There's no OR about it! The difference in paragraph and line end
> symbols is highly significant!
>
> For reasons lost in word processing history, unlike a typewriter, the
> default action of a word processor when hitting the carriage return
> key is the insert an "end of paragraph" code into a document.
>
> Paragraphs are a vitally important concept within word processing (or
> web design) because they can be styled as a distinct block of text.
>
> It is a huge disadvantage to the modern word processor operator that
> to help old fashioned typists, when word processors were first
> introduced, that the default setting for paragraph styling in word
> processors is to have no line space above. This allowed typists to do
> their traditional thing and hit the carriage return twice when they
> wanted a new paragraph.
>
> For the modern user this has the major disadvantage that it leaves an
> empty paragraph following every paragraph. (In some ways it was an
> understandable decision when only daisy wheel printers were available
> and playing with fonts, font-size and other features of the modern
> word processor didn't exist.) The bent arrow symbol is indeed an "end
> of line" mark as distinct from an "end of paragraph" and it is a very
> useful feature.
>
> For example, when constructing a letterhead, you might want the
> address to be styled as a single block of text, instead of five or six
> separate paragraphs. Hitting SHIFT-CR on any modern word processor
> will insert a new line code and allows the block of text to be treated
> as a single paragraph - which it surely is, in any semantic sense.
>
> There's one other (these days, standard) keystroke that is equally
> vital for any word processor operator to know and that is CTRL-CR
> which inserts an "end of page" code in the document.
>
> NoteTab does recognise the CTRL-CR keystroke to insert an "end of
> page" mark, but paragraphs are an alien concept to a text editor, so
> it only only inserts "end of line" codes when you hit the CR key (the
> same as it does when hitting SHIFT-CR).
>
> Greg

Time to go off topic may I suggest?  I'll copy it there.

I host all my files and my blog on my own webspace, which I pay a modest
price for. But sites like wordpress.com and some file hosters seem to be
completely free without even (at my settings, that are nothing special)
any advertising I can see.

Can anybody tell me how these sites are financed? All I know is, that in
this world there's no such thing as a free lunch. (And no such thing as
free alteration of suits. As a late elderly friend used to say: Those
signs are wrong. What they really mean is, here you'll have to pay for
the alteration whether you need it or not.)

Danke
	 Axel

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             Johann-Häck-Str. 14            Fax: +49/ 2174/ 7439 68
             D-51519 Odenthal-Heide       eMail: Axel-Berger@...
             Deutschland (Germany)         http://berger-odenthal.de

Hi Axel,

On 23 Sep 12 16:03 Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@...> said:
> I host all my files and my blog on my own webspace, which I pay a
> modest price for. But sites like wordpress.com and some file hosters
> seem to be completely free without even (at my settings, that are
> nothing special) any advertising I can see.

I'm not a WordPress user but this page suggests that their free sites
do have adverts.
https://signup.wordpress.com/signup/
(Scroll to to the bottom and see the Upgrade chart. As to how
intrusive those ads are, I have no idea!)

Greg

Hi Axel,

On 23 Sep 12 16:03 Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@...> said:
> But sites like wordpress.com and some file hosters seem to be
> completely free without even (at my settings, that are nothing
> special) any advertising I can see.

And this page:
http://en.support.wordpress.com/upgrades/
may explain why you haven't seen any ads yet...

-----------------
No-ads
We sometimes run discreet advertisements on your blog to users who
aren’t logged in and aren’t regular visitors. Purchasing the No-Ads
upgrade will eliminate any ads on your blog so no one sees them at
all. This is especially useful for business blogs. This upgrade costs
$30.00 per blog, per year.
-----------------

Maybe you don't see the ads as you are logged in, so get a fglase
impression of what visitors see, or maybe WordPress waits until you
have invested a massive effort until you have got your blog going, so
then you feel it's worth the $30pa to keep it ad-free.

I found both my bits of info from the page:
http://en.wordpress.com/features/
in a prargraph that read:

-----------------
Doesn’t Cost a Dime

Build a great site and spend nothing, zilch, nada. And if you want to
make a great site even better, we offer a great selection of premium
upgrades.
-----------------

And that I reached from the home page and a link at the bottom "Free
features".

Greg

Hi,

This may sound stupid, but that's because I am pretty stupid around
hardware. I've had this machine for some years now and I've always
assumed it's 32 bit. But a while ago I noticed something, I've
forgotten what, that made me think it's not. Half a year or so later
I have finally gotten around to trying to find out. Well, it works,
so what? :-)

OK, the OS is XP Home, that much I know. When I go to Control Panel |
System | System Properties I learn that my processor is Athlon 64 XP
Dual Core Processor 5600+. That sounds vaguely familiar and it also
sounds like 64 bit, right?

But if I go to Program | Accessories | System Tools | System
Information it says "System Type: X86-based PC". THAT sounds like 32 bit.

So what the heck is it?

Lotta

The following was snagged from the fastpictureviewer web site.

How do I know whether my version of Windows is 32-bit or 64-bit?

Windows 7 or Windows Vista:
     Click Start.
     Right-click Computer.
     Choose Properties from the context menu.
     In the "System" section, look for "System Type." It will say either "32-bit
Operating System" or "64-bit Operating System."

Windows XP:
     Click Start.
     Right-click My Computer.
     Choose Properties from the context menu.
     Look just below the "Microsoft Windows XP" label for the particular edition
of XP (for example, "Professional x64 Edition" or "Home"). If the edition
contains the word "x64" then your machine has a 64-bit version of Windows XP."





--- In ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com, loro <tabbie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This may sound stupid, but that's because I am pretty stupid around
> hardware. I've had this machine for some years now and I've always
> assumed it's 32 bit. But a while ago I noticed something, I've
> forgotten what, that made me think it's not. Half a year or so later
> I have finally gotten around to trying to find out. Well, it works,
> so what? :-)
>
> OK, the OS is XP Home, that much I know. When I go to Control Panel |
> System | System Properties I learn that my processor is Athlon 64 XP
> Dual Core Processor 5600+. That sounds vaguely familiar and it also
> sounds like 64 bit, right?
>
> But if I go to Program | Accessories | System Tools | System
> Information it says "System Type: X86-based PC". THAT sounds like 32 bit.
>
> So what the heck is it?
>
> Lotta
>

At 02:30 2012-10-06, john041650 wrote:
>Windows XP:
>     Click Start.
>     Right-click My Computer.
>     Choose Properties from the context menu.
>     Look just below the "Microsoft Windows XP" label for the
> particular edition of XP (for example, "Professional x64 Edition"
> or "Home"). If the edition contains the word "x64" then your
> machine has a 64-bit version of Windows XP."

Nuh. It just says XP Home. So I have a 64 bit processor and a 32 bit
OS? I guess that means I can't run 64 bit programs?

Lotta

Op 6/10/2012 2:42, loro schreef:
> Nuh. It just says XP Home. So I have a 64 bit processor and a 32 bit
> OS? I guess that means I can't run 64 bit programs?

Hey Lotto, did you look at Wikipedia? Maybe you find an answer?
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

And this is Dutch, but would also exist in Swedish or English:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequ\
ently-asked-questions

But if you do a search on "32 bit os running 64 bit programs", I'm
afraid you can't.

--
adrien

- Ongedeelde informatie = verloren informatie -

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:42 PM, loro <tabbie@...> wrote:

>
> Nuh. It just says XP Home. So I have a 64 bit processor and a 32 bit
> OS? I guess that means I can't run 64 bit programs?
>
> Lotta
>

Hey Lotta,

64-bit hardware can run 32-bit OS, but 32-bit OS can't do 64-bit software.
But 64-bit OS can do 32-bit software.

It is the same thing that happened when processors went from 8-bit to
16-bit and 16-bit to 32-bit.

Unlike other versions of Windows, 64-bit Windows no longer supports DOS
programs. The familiar Edit is not there in 64-bit Windows for example.

However, the command line is still there, so those who don't know the
difference between DOS and the command line, will be confused.

I deal with this at work all the time, since we still have some legacy DOS
apps and clients go out and buy a new computer and then wonder why they
programs don't run.

What I have round is the best was to clarify whether you have 32-bit or
64-bit OS if the message you get is not clear is to look at the C:\ drive.

If you only see a "Program Files" directory, then your OS is 32-bit

However, if you see both a "Program Files" and a "Program Files (x86)" then
you have 64-bit Windows.

"Program Files (x86)" is where Microsoft puts 32-bit programs since 64-bit
OSes can run 32-bit programs.

HTH,

~ Larry

PS - I got a new Laptop at work that is 64-bit Windows. I have the "joy" of
supporting those legacy apps, so I use DOSBox to run them so I can see the
menus to walk clients through procedures, since I don't have those menus
memorized. I also run WinXP in a virtual machine for the older version of
our Windows software that does not run on newer then WinXP and definitely
not on 64-bit. Between the two groups of clients, that's about 40 clients.
Someday they will move into the 90's. :)


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--- In ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com, loro <tabbie@...> wrote:
>
> At 02:30 2012-10-06, john041650 wrote:
> >Windows XP:
> >     Click Start.
> >     Right-click My Computer.
> >     Choose Properties from the context menu.
> >     Look just below the "Microsoft Windows XP" label for the
> > particular edition of XP (for example, "Professional x64 Edition"
> > or "Home"). If the edition contains the word "x64" then your
> > machine has a 64-bit version of Windows XP."
>
> Nuh. It just says XP Home. So I have a 64 bit processor and a 32 bit
> OS? I guess that means I can't run 64 bit programs?
>
> Lotta
>

I have no personal experience with this but I recently read that if your
motherboard supports hardware virtualization and it is enabled in bios, you can
install a 64-bit operating system (to run 64-bit apps) in virtualbox on a 32-bit
host. As best I understand it, it would run as a window on your 32-bit host
desktop. Also, someone with a 64-bit host could have a 32 bit guest OS. Either
host could support 64 and 32-bit guests. Virtualbox is freely available from
Oracle. The operating systems you install in it could be a free ones like Ubuntu
or a licenced or trial versions of 64-bit Windows 7 or 8. How well it would work
likely depends on how much and how fast your memory and disks are. Its probably
better to have a 64-bit host system since 64-bit systems can have more memory
than 32-bit systems but might still be worth trying if you meet the minimum
requirements.

Regards,
Sheri

Thank you, guys. Now I know what I have.

I'm a little angry with my computer guy who sold me a 32 bit OS, but
in reality it doesn't matter very much. I have this very nice little
shop nearby where they build computers to your specification. The
owner is great. Puts a lot of time on it and if you aren't updated on
hardware, like me, he finds out for what you use the computer and
what you might use it for in the future and suggests the appropriate
parts. Never tries to sell you something you don't need. I actually
had to argue to get as large hard drives as I wanted, he thought less
would do. I could probably get a machine a little cheaper if I looked
for bargains, but not with the sense of security and satisfaction it
gives me to shop at this place. This is actually the first thing I'm
not totally pleased with - and it took me years to discover it, so no
regrets. The first machine I've been really pleased with, so I think
I'll forgive him.

Thanks again
Lotta

Op zaterdag 6 oktober 2012 22:34 schreef loro:

> I'm a little angry with my computer guy who sold me a 32 bit OS

The 64 bit version of Windows XP was introduced much later than the 32 bit
version,
there is only a professional version and only in English, and 64 bit drivers
were hardly available.
So it was actually of limited use.
This was also a problem for Vista, its successor.

Alex.

On 10/6/2012 3:03 PM, Alex Plantema wrote:
> Op zaterdag 6 oktober 2012 22:34 schreef loro:
>
>> >I'm a little angry with my computer guy who sold me a 32 bit OS
> The 64 bit version of Windows XP was introduced much later than the 32 bit
version,
> there is only a professional version and only in English, and 64 bit drivers
were hardly available.
> So it was actually of limited use.
> This was also a problem for Vista, its successor.
>
> Alex.
At GREAT expense I am back to Win 7, 64 bit.

Taking Win 8 out  was IMPOSSIBLE so I had to buy a new HD. Even
reformatting would not allow the  HD to operate.

NOW my NoteTab is finally working.

Alex Plantema wrote:
>The 64 bit version of Windows XP was introduced much later than the
>32 bit version,
>there is only a professional version and only in English, and 64 bit
>drivers were hardly available.
>So it was actually of limited use.
>This was also a problem for Vista, its successor.

Aha, Home is always 32 bit. That explains things. I actually chose
that myself, because of the price difference, but it was also what
the guy suggested. English is good though. I had to fight to get
Windows in English too (he couldn't find the English CD). I hate
dealing with two languages at the same time and also that keyboard
shortcuts differ depending on the language of the program I use, so I
get everything in English.

Lotta

Lotta:
You didn't say how much memory you have. AFAIK anything in excess of 3-4
GB is wasted on WinXP-32bit.
Maybe it would make sense to upgrade your OS to Win-7, add memory and
see how you like it then? From Googling I think the price is somewhere
sub-$150 here, not sure about Europe.

On my WinXP 32bit system (w/3GB) doesn't have that upgrade possibility
doesn't exist. Because I like to have so many programs tray resident and
run a bunch of others semi-permanently I have regular problems with slow
response time.

Unless you have similar problems it might not be worth the bother though.

On 2012-10-06 19:44, loro wrote:
> Alex Plantema wrote:
> >The 64 bit version of Windows XP was introduced much later than the
> >32 bit version,
> >there is only a professional version and only in English, and 64 bit
> >drivers were hardly available.
> >So it was actually of limited use.
> >This was also a problem for Vista, its successor.
>
> Aha, Home is always 32 bit. That explains things. I actually chose
> that myself, because of the price difference, but it was also what
> the guy suggested. English is good though. I had to fight to get
> Windows in English too (he couldn't find the English CD). I hate
> dealing with two languages at the same time and also that keyboard
> shortcuts differ depending on the language of the program I use, so I
> get everything in English.

--
Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)

Hi
Windows loads everthing into ram first .
If you did not have so many programs using ram it may run faster, you need
more ram.
     THANKYOU DAVE M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alec Burgess" <buralex@...>
To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NTO] Do I have a 64 bit system?


> Lotta:
> You didn't say how much memory you have. AFAIK anything in excess of 3-4
> GB is wasted on WinXP-32bit.
> Maybe it would make sense to upgrade your OS to Win-7, add memory and
> see how you like it then? From Googling I think the price is somewhere
> sub-$150 here, not sure about Europe.
>
> On my WinXP 32bit system (w/3GB) doesn't have that upgrade possibility
> doesn't exist. Because I like to have so many programs tray resident and
> run a bunch of others semi-permanently I have regular problems with slow
> response time.
>
> Unless you have similar problems it might not be worth the bother though.
>
> On 2012-10-06 19:44, loro wrote:
>> Alex Plantema wrote:
>> >The 64 bit version of Windows XP was introduced much later than the
>> >32 bit version,
>> >there is only a professional version and only in English, and 64 bit
>> >drivers were hardly available.
>> >So it was actually of limited use.
>> >This was also a problem for Vista, its successor.
>>
>> Aha, Home is always 32 bit. That explains things. I actually chose
>> that myself, because of the price difference, but it was also what
>> the guy suggested. English is good though. I had to fight to get
>> Windows in English too (he couldn't find the English CD). I hate
>> dealing with two languages at the same time and also that keyboard
>> shortcuts differ depending on the language of the program I use, so I
>> get everything in English.
>
> --
> Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail & WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

loro wrote:
> I'm a little angry with my computer guy who sold me a 32 bit OS,

Don't be. People who use powerful text editors instead of knowing
nothing but Microsoft Word are the very ones who still run small an
efficient DOS tools now and then - at least I do. For most of us here,
32 bit is the better choice.

Axel

Hi,

Something started to run on my smart phone. It looks like the Windows
Task Manager, only the process names are sort of printed directly on
the screen on top of the icons. It's ever-changing and sometimes the
bottom of the list turns green. There's a three colored bar at the
top that I can't make heads or tails of.

I don't know how to get rid of it. Neither do I know if I may have
started it myself by accident. I've been fiddling with network
settings today, nothing else unusual. My broadband was down and I
managed to connect the PC through the cell phone. But I don't see
anything in those settings that could have caused this. I have
several task manager apps, the kind you use to kill unwanted
processes. None of them lists something I don't know what it is.
Rebooting doesn't help.

Anyone knows what it is that I have turned on and how to get rid of it?

Lotta

I wrote:
>Something started to run on my smart phone. It looks like the Windows
>Task Manager, only the process names are sort of printed directly on
>the screen on top of the icons.

Typically enough I came up with the right search terms as soon as I
had sent my question on the list. It was my fat fingers starting the
thing no doubt. FYI it's at Settings | Developer Options | Show CPU usage .
http://forums.androidcentral.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus/180358-phone-processes-sho\
wing-screen-please-help-me-remove-them.html

Apologies for the noise.
Lotta

To All,

My secondary PC has momentary hangups that last for a few seconds to
several minutes. I have Task Manager continuously open and displaying CPU
usage sorted with greatest user at the top of the list, but it doesn't show
any process using an inordinate amount of time. The greatest time consumer
is "System Idle Process" at about 95 to 99 percent. No process ties up more
than 700MB or 800MB of memory. I also observe the disk drive in-use monitor
light on the system unit and it shows only a few very short blips during
both normal and hung-up operations.

The PC isn't fully frozen during these hangups. The mouse is still active
and I am able to change state of the Num Lock key, but I can't navigate
within Windows Explorer or launch any applications or change views within
them. Even Free Cell pauses.

The machine contains 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad processor and 3 gigs
of DIMM memory running WinXP SP3 with all updates current. I have done a
recent CHKDSK and a disk defrag. Microsoft Security Essentials updates
every day and runs a full scan on all disks without reporting any malware.

All operations on this computer appear to execute without errors. The only
problem is the momentary pauses.

Any ideas what is causing these hangups? Any further troubleshooting ideas?

Thank you.

Ray Shapp


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi
does this happen when notetab is running by itself and nothing  else ?
this sort of thing is usually caused by to many programs running and there
is not enough memory for them to run so they turn to the harddrive instead
which is much slower.
     THANKYOU DAVE M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Shapp" <rayshapp@...>
To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:24 PM
Subject: [NTO] Momentary Hangups


> To All,
>
> My secondary PC has momentary hangups that last for a few seconds to
> several minutes. I have Task Manager continuously open and displaying CPU
> usage sorted with greatest user at the top of the list, but it doesn't
> show
> any process using an inordinate amount of time. The greatest time consumer
> is "System Idle Process" at about 95 to 99 percent. No process ties up
> more
> than 700MB or 800MB of memory. I also observe the disk drive in-use
> monitor
> light on the system unit and it shows only a few very short blips during
> both normal and hung-up operations.
>
> The PC isn't fully frozen during these hangups. The mouse is still active
> and I am able to change state of the Num Lock key, but I can't navigate
> within Windows Explorer or launch any applications or change views within
> them. Even Free Cell pauses.
>
> The machine contains 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad processor and 3 gigs
> of DIMM memory running WinXP SP3 with all updates current. I have done a
> recent CHKDSK and a disk defrag. Microsoft Security Essentials updates
> every day and runs a full scan on all disks without reporting any malware.
>
> All operations on this computer appear to execute without errors. The only
> problem is the momentary pauses.
>
> Any ideas what is causing these hangups? Any further troubleshooting
> ideas?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ray Shapp
>
>
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for the reply.

Since this problem began, I have tried many strategies including running
with a very light load on the machine. For about a week, I've been using
MSCONFIG to boot up without loading any startup items. This PC contains 3
gigs of RAM. In the past, it has handled a much heavier load of
simultaneous applications with no hangups. Currently, when it goes into a
pause, I can see that the hard disk indicator light on the system unit
blips sporadically less than ten times a minute. The disks are not being
used for memory overload.

Besides Task Manager, can anyone suggest software to monitor utilization of
memory, hard disk, and CPU?

Ray Shapp


On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Dave <dmc43959@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi
> does this happen when notetab is running by itself and nothing else ?
> this sort of thing is usually caused by to many programs running and there
> is not enough memory for them to run so they turn to the harddrive instead
> which is much slower.
> THANKYOU DAVE M
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Shapp" <rayshapp@...>
> To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:24 PM
> Subject: [NTO] Momentary Hangups
>
> > To All,
> >
> > My secondary PC has momentary hangups that last for a few seconds to
> > several minutes. I have Task Manager continuously open and displaying CPU
> > usage sorted with greatest user at the top of the list, but it doesn't
> > show
> > any process using an inordinate amount of time. The greatest time
> consumer
> > is "System Idle Process" at about 95 to 99 percent. No process ties up
> > more
> > than 700MB or 800MB of memory. I also observe the disk drive in-use
> > monitor
> > light on the system unit and it shows only a few very short blips during
> > both normal and hung-up operations.
> >
> > The PC isn't fully frozen during these hangups. The mouse is still active
> > and I am able to change state of the Num Lock key, but I can't navigate
> > within Windows Explorer or launch any applications or change views within
> > them. Even Free Cell pauses.
> >
> > The machine contains 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad processor and 3 gigs
> > of DIMM memory running WinXP SP3 with all updates current. I have done a
> > recent CHKDSK and a disk defrag. Microsoft Security Essentials updates
> > every day and runs a full scan on all disks without reporting any
> malware.
> >
> > All operations on this computer appear to execute without errors. The
> only
> > problem is the momentary pauses.
> >
> > Any ideas what is causing these hangups? Any further troubleshooting
> > ideas?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Ray Shapp
> >
> >
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I suggest clearing temp files, using something like ccleaner. Just be
careful with any cookies saving your passwords. Defragment after this. I
have seen gigabytes of disk space freed up on some computers. Windows
really should clear the temp directory on regular basis. There is no reason
to keep temporary files for years.

Malwarebytes is a good tool with a free version that can clean up a lot
that regular anti-virus tools miss. You can download live CDs from various
anti-virus companies and do a full scan of the computer in Safe Mode. Some
viruses do a good job of hiding. If you can figure out what one of those
is, you can Google for how to recover from it. (I recommend backing up your
data and do a clean install of Windows if you find a virus like that. It
ends up taking less time in a lot of cases.)

Do you know what you have installed since it got slow? If so, you can
uninstall those programs one at a time and re-boot after each one and see
if that helps.

If none of these things help, there may be something in the registry that
is out of whack. I don't recommend rooting around there unless you have a
good backup. Registry cleaning programs tend to not be a good idea.

If all else fails, you can try restoring the registry from a known good
point in time. All programs installed since then will need to be
re-installed. That's less painful than installing Windows from scratch.

HTH,

~ Larry


On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Ray Shapp <rayshapp@...> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Since this problem began, I have tried many strategies including running
> with a very light load on the machine. For about a week, I've been using
> MSCONFIG to boot up without loading any startup items. This PC contains 3
> gigs of RAM. In the past, it has handled a much heavier load of
> simultaneous applications with no hangups. Currently, when it goes into a
> pause, I can see that the hard disk indicator light on the system unit
> blips sporadically less than ten times a minute. The disks are not being
> used for memory overload.
>
> Besides Task Manager, can anyone suggest software to monitor utilization of
> memory, hard disk, and CPU?
>
> Ray Shapp
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Dave <dmc43959@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi
> > does this happen when notetab is running by itself and nothing else ?
> > this sort of thing is usually caused by to many programs running and
> there
> > is not enough memory for them to run so they turn to the harddrive
> instead
> > which is much slower.
> > THANKYOU DAVE M
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Shapp" <rayshapp@...>
> > To: <ntb-OffTopic@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:24 PM
> > Subject: [NTO] Momentary Hangups
> >
> > > To All,
> > >
> > > My secondary PC has momentary hangups that last for a few seconds to
> > > several minutes. I have Task Manager continuously open and displaying
> CPU
> > > usage sorted with greatest user at the top of the list, but it doesn't
> > > show
> > > any process using an inordinate amount of time. The greatest time
> > consumer
> > > is "System Idle Process" at about 95 to 99 percent. No process ties up
> > > more
> > > than 700MB or 800MB of memory. I also observe the disk drive in-use
> > > monitor
> > > light on the system unit and it shows only a few very short blips
> during
> > > both normal and hung-up operations.
> > >
> > > The PC isn't fully frozen during these hangups. The mouse is still
> active
> > > and I am able to change state of the Num Lock key, but I can't navigate
> > > within Windows Explorer or launch any applications or change views
> within
> > > them. Even Free Cell pauses.
> > >
> > > The machine contains 2.40 gigahertz Intel Core2 Quad processor and 3
> gigs
> > > of DIMM memory running WinXP SP3 with all updates current. I have done
> a
> > > recent CHKDSK and a disk defrag. Microsoft Security Essentials updates
> > > every day and runs a full scan on all disks without reporting any
> > malware.
> > >
> > > All operations on this computer appear to execute without errors. The
> > only
> > > problem is the momentary pauses.
> > >
> > > Any ideas what is causing these hangups? Any further troubleshooting
> > > ideas?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Ray Shapp
> > >
> > >
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