John-Marc wrote:
>
> James:
>
> you don't HAVE a folder called programfiles.  You DO have one called program
files, and you can't arbitrariiy remove spaces.  I think you have to convert it
to DOS format, which would be <img
src="c:/progra~1/noteta~1/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
>
> Here's the line:
> <img src="c:/programfiles/notetablite/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
> It doesn't work.
> This does:
> <img src="d:/animals/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

> de jim
>
Hi Jim,

If you use the DOS (short) version of the path and file location,
below;

<img src="c:/progra~1/noteta~1/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

and you still run into a problem try the next line, just insert
%20 between Program and  files.  The %20 is the Hex code for a
space.

<img
src="c:/program%20files/notetablite/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">


hrs

Hello again James,


>...the course says the image must reside on the same drive as the program.

Hm. I thought you meant in the same folder as the html document. I can
imagine there are programs that prefer to have the documents in the program
folder but that's not usually the case and absolutely not with NTB.


>Here's the line:  <img
>src="c:/programfiles/notetablite/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
>It doesn't work.
>This does:
><img src="d:/animals/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
>the image is zip disk that I use for slow scan television (amateur
>radio)
>Where did I go wrong?

I don't know, more than the folder is probably named 'program files' as
John-Marc pointed out. Did you remember to rename the image file with
underscores?  I'm not sure what you want to do. If you want to view the
page locally on your own machine  what you do is OK once you get the paths
right. But if you want to put it on the Internet when it's finished or
maybe send it to someone you need to arrange things so the paths will be
valid anywhere.

Make a new folder somewhere where you already keep documents or on the
desktop if you prefer. There is no need to keep anything in the NTB
directory. Put everything related to your page that isn't already on the
Internet in that folder. If you put the html files in the main folder and
also put your images folder inside the main folder it makes it easy to
write the image links and keep things orderly. You don't need to use full
URL's or paths. You can use relative paths. Meaning that if the image is in
the same folder you get <A href="pic.gif">  If you do what I suggest above
the image will be one folder down in the directory structure. The tag: <A
href="images/pic.gif">
For each folder down from the file you link from you add a new slash and
the name of the directory, for each folder up two dots '..' and a  slash.
The same holds true when linking between pages.

Same directory  file.ext
One down:               folder1/file.ext
Two down                folder1/folder2/file.ext
One up          ../file.ext
Two up          ../../file.ext

NTB can insert the image tag for you with the correct path and size
attributes. Just focus the html document and use Document | Insert HTML
link / Image and browse to the image you want. Note that the File format
field at the bottom of the search window must read 'All files* or 'Image
files'. Double click on the image icon and you're done.

Good luck
Lotta

Hi Lotta,

>Same directory  file.ext
>One down:               folder1/file.ext
>Two down                folder1/folder2/file.ext
>One up          ../file.ext
>Two up          ../../file.ext

So, I knew there had to be some logical system to that, but never
really figured it all out.  Thanks!  I plugged and played
normally till it worked for years now - just never got around to
asking or read it anywhere. :)

I totally agree with Lotta's on making your HTML folders/files a
mirror image of your web site.  It will save you many headaches
in the future!  If you plan on having a large site, I would most
definitely put at least your images and compressed files in a
separate folder.  It will help you stay more organized and easier
to find things when you want them, although it is not necessary
and maybe just personal preference.

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Hi John-Marc and James,

>you don't HAVE a folder called programfiles.  You DO have one
>called program files, and you can't arbitrariiy remove spaces.  I
>think you have to convert it to DOS format, which would be <img
>src="c:/progra~1/noteta~1/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

You can use the short DOS path as above or %20 for the space.
Perhaps you would be looking at this:

<img src="c:/program%20files/notetab%20lite/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

Oops, just got to Harvey's post. <g>  I did put the %20 in
notetab%20lite also trying to pre-guess you. ;)

Do see Lotta's post about using an HTML path if you will be using
the web, but you also need to stay with the course.  They cannot
teach it all to you on the same page. <g>

You can also use the Quick List to drag/drop your images in which
will also give you the image size which is best to use so the
browser does not have to take the time to figure it out.  You may
not have got that far in your course though.

To use the Quick List press F6 (it's under the tool menu) and
right click over the large lower window.  Choose "Disk Files" and
in the upper window type in the file type you want to view.  You
can use a single * or *.* for all files, or a single file
type:.jpg, .gif.  Right click over the window and choose Browse
or double click in it.  Find your image and drag/drop it into
NoteTab.  You need to have the file type in Options | HTML files
for it to work correctly.

BTW, if your manual or whatever you are reading from said...

"images"...the course says the image must reside on the same
drive as the program.

...then you need to bring it to the attention of the writer,
because it makes no sense at all (at least by itself).

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Ok, making progress here.  I deleted the folder in notetabs
called "images",  then went and made a new folder on "c"
called "images"

thus: c:/images,  now has pictures in it....

Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
except, the image will not align center.  only to the left.  Could it
be that the image is too large?  I can't get an image to do anything
except "align left"..
If I move the image to some other line below that one, I can move it
left, right and center.  Not sure why tho....
It's a learning process...
Thanks to all the responded.
de jim

Hi Jim,

At 00:44 2000-12-29, you wrote:
>Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
>src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
>except, the image will not align center.

That should and does center the image. What is disturbing things is
impossible to say without seeing the rest. You haven't put the image inside
something else, like a table that is left aligned?

Lotta

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James Holzbauer wrote:
>
> Ok, making progress here.  I deleted the folder in notetabs
> called "images",  then went and made a new folder on "c"
> called "images"
>
> thus: c:/images,  now has pictures in it....
>
> Now the line reads: <p align="center"><img
> src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg"></p>
> except, the image will not align center.  only to the left.  Could it
> be that the image is too large?  I can't get an image to do anything
> except "align left"..
> If I move the image to some other line below that one, I can move it
> left, right and center.  Not sure why tho....

> de jim
>

Hi de,

You might also try this line.

<img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

hrs

Hi,

At 01:16 2000-12-29, you wrote:
>You might also try this line.
>
><img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">

Sorry, but if it isn't new "there is no such attribute for this element" as
the validators say. <G>

Lotta

Hi Lotta,

>><img align="center" src="c:/images/dog_ice_cream.jpg">
>
>Sorry, but if it isn't new "there is no such attribute for this
>element" as the validators say. <G>

  From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.
This is version three, but I imagine it is still the same.

<IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

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Hi Jody,

> From HTMLib
><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

And the standard ones are:
ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom

And they don't do exactly what you might think.

Lotta

Jody wrote:
>
>
> <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>
>
> Happy HTML'n!
> Jody
>
Hi Jody,

Too bad, center is not one of the parameters, I erred.

hrs

Hi Lotta,

>And the standard ones are:
>ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom
>
>And they don't do exactly what you might think.

Me no think so well or simple as in aligns what, where? <g>  From
HTMLib 3 which is real easy to search for a tag from NoteTab,
Click, type in <tag and click.  There is an easy comparison
chart, hypers to all attributes (which are on the same page) and
a See Also link.  It is a must have for weekend HTML hobbyist
like me.  See Help on installation instructions.  Version 3 is
not as up to date as 4 and you have to have IE4 or higher for it
to work.  I have setup instructions for version 3 if you want it.
It is much faster than v4 because it is not done with the
multimedia stuff.

Get ver. 3 at:
http://www.hooked.net/~tails/htmlib/

Get ver. 4 at:
http://www.htmlib.com/

ALIGN

<IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

ALIGN=left image will float the image to the left margin (into
the next available space there), and subsequent text will wrap
around the right hand side of that image.
ALIGN=right will align the image aligns with the right margin,
and the text wraps around the left.

ALIGN=top aligns itself with the top of the tallest item in the line.
ALIGN=texttop aligns itself with the top of the tallest text in
the line (this is usually but not always the same as ALIGN=top).
ALIGN=middle aligns the baseline of the current line with the
middle of the image.
ALIGN=absmiddle aligns the middle of the current line with the
middle of the image.
ALIGN=baseline aligns the bottom of the image with the baseline
of the current line.
ALIGN=bottom aligns the bottom of the image with the baseline of
the current line.
ALIGN=absbottom aligns the bottom of the image with the bottom of
the current line.


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Hi Harvey,

>> <IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

>Too bad, center is not one of the parameters,

I think you may be looking at it like I use to and it is really
confusing trying to make the *image* align like that.  It does
align the image, *but* in relation to something whether it be
text or the line it is on or... see my last post.  I think you
will understand it more then.  If it did have "center" then it
would mean maybe align it in the center of the text, huh?  What
then?  Just how would you like it aligned in the center of the
text and how much of it?  Say, that would be neat to use it for
that so that the picture would be in the center with text wrapped
all around it, justified and indented on both sides of course and
not using <BLOCKQUOTE> mind you. <bg>

c ya,
Jody

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and me and even thou doest err some!

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Hi Jody,

At 04:04 2000-12-29, you wrote:
>Me no think so well or simple as in aligns what, where? <g>

Hm, if I was American I could always take the 5th...now I have to tell the
truth.<G> Truth is I use 'you' a lot when 'one' should be more appropriate.
But one knows that, Jody! And I was referring to exactly what you say, that
it's easy to think the attributes align the image absolutely on the page.
Same with align in <TABLE> BTW and more easily overlooked.

One says bye now,
Lotta

Hi Jody,

A while back, following the instructions I heard here, I loaded WordWeb Pro
and made it come up on my help menu. It took over the HTMLib position. How
can I have both on the help menu?

>  From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.
>This is version three, but I imagine it is still the same.
>
><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>
>
>Happy HTML'n!
>Jody


Lloyd

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James,

As others have suggested, do you have anything that might be overriding the
<P align="center"> tag?  I know that once I set a style.css file with the
following:

p { line-height:   120% ;
        color   :   #000000 ;
    text-align  :   left }

Only problem:  I could not overwrite the text-align and center a <P> tag.  I
am not sure of the priority of conflict handling, but do you have a <td
align="left"> or similar that is working on the line?  Do you have a .css
file with a p setting?  Is there something that could possibly be
conflicting?

Alternatively, are you certain you spelled everything correctly?

Hi Lloyd,

Please post to the off-topic list after this if you need more
help with it. TIA  See my comments following...

>A while back, following the instructions I heard here, I loaded
>WordWeb Pro and made it come up on my help menu. It took over the
>HTMLib position. How can I have both on the help menu?

You do it in a similar way, but you have to be willing to give a
bit and have an imagination. <g>  You will need to rename your
ReadMe.txt or WhatsNew.txt (I suggest ReadMe.txt since
WhatsNew.txt has some good information in it - you might read the
ReadMe.txt if you have never done so.)  After renaming ReadMe.txt
to say ReadMe.old.txt, or ReadMe.bak.txt, etc. rename your
WordWeb Pro *shortcut* (not the paths in it) to ReadMe.txt.  When
you click on ReadMe.txt from the Help file, WordWeb Pro will now
open, or at least it does in my head - haha.

Install HTMLib if you have IE4 or above installed and follow the
directions in NoteTab's Help on how to set it up.  See Help |
Find | HTMLib. You should have it setup at that time to open both
from the Help menu.  (If WhatsNew.txt is not important enough for
you to have on the Help menu, then you may follow the same
procedure for it for just about anything else you want to launch
from the Help menu faking NoteTab out.  You will just have to
memorized what it what.)

>> From HTMLib which can be run right from NoteTab's Help menu.


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>
> Maybe it's of interest that Opera released version 5 today, as - adware
> -ouch!
>

I ran across this adware version last week and d/l'd it.  Having never used
it before I think it is working, but not sure.  It seems to register in my
log files as IE instead of Opera, but that may be the logging site.

I have discovered one problem though.  I had NS as the default browser and
IE as the "other" browser.  Now, if Opera is open and I click on either
browser button from the toolbar the file opens in Opera, not NS or IE.
Seems to work fine if Opera isn't open.  I reset the default and other
browser but no difference.

Any thoughts?  Thanks,
Nancy

Hi Nancy,

>I have discovered one problem though.  I had NS as the default browser and
>IE as the "other" browser.  Now, if Opera is open and I click on either
>browser button from the toolbar the file opens in Opera, not NS or IE.

I have exactly the same problem. Others haven't. This happens to me evoking
a browser from anywhere, email, whatever, If Opera is open, Opera executes.
I have tried to get a solution from Opera, but they didn't answer.
One of the peculiar things with Opera is that different people seem to have
different problems. Opera have had a lot trouble with crashes, my Opera
never crashes but it's so slow and most people find it fast. And so on.
BTW, you can set in Options somewhere what Opera shall identify itself as.
I'm not really into Opera but I think some other guy's on the list are.

Bye,
Lotta

Hi Nancy,

>> -ouch!

>I ran across this adware version last week and d/l'd it.  Having
>never used it before I think it is working, but not sure.  It
>seems to register in my log files as IE instead of Opera, but
>that may be the logging site.
>
>I have discovered one problem though.  I had NS as the default
>browser and IE as the "other" browser.  Now, if Opera is open and
>I click on either browser button from the toolbar the file opens
>in Opera, not NS or IE. Seems to work fine if Opera isn't open.
>I reset the default and other browser but no difference.

Jody scratches head with mouth dropped opened trying not to
laugh. :-)  Sorry, Nancy, but computers amaze me at what they can
do!  You ought to see the "mess" I'm in with a Linux Mandrake
install right now - wanna trade? :-)  I actually thrive on this
stuff though.  I dread the day of no problems when I have to run
a random bug maker just to have something to do.  Ouch, I'm
starting to sound like that "nut" on the Linux newbie list. :)

Anyway, I do understand you may not be like that and that you
might also make a living doing this stuff so, read the follow
post for a working around for now.  There are some Clip samples
in it or just get the webmaster.zip and you should be back in
business in a few minutes.

http://www.egroups.com/message/ntb-html/1491

Now, to the problem.  Hmmm?  Opera may think it is IE, but
"NoteTab" does not know the difference if Opera is open.  Well,
we know nothing changed in NoteTab, and the only thing that did
change is installing Opera.  Up until them we assume everything
was okie-dokie.  I can only tell you what I would try and not
necessarily in the same order.

Check Internet Explorer | Programs for the default browser and
perhaps switch it and restart Windows.  See if any change was
made.  Switch default browser back in Internet Options and
reboot.  Check again.

Make all your browsers ask the question about not being default
browser.  Start up say Opera which might be default now or at
least tried to make itself that and make it default (or do NS or
IE instead - user preference call there;).  What we are trying to
do it rewrite the registry without going into it since I do not
have the time to find the settings. ;)  Reboot after making your
default browser change and check.  Change back to NS as being the
default browser so you will be back in line with NoteTab.

Reinstall NS or IE hoping to fix registry paths which I suspect
is the problem.  Similarly, simply uninstall Opera, but unless
Opera made a good backup, that will be to no avail.  You might
try reinstalling Opera in hopes that Windows, etc. just burped
during install and the problem will be fixed.

Search registry for browser entries and change anything that
looks suspicious if you are **real comfortable** with the
registry.  Alternatively, if you have a backup of the registry
made real soon before installing Opera you **may** consider using
it.

Just out of curiosity, set up a Custom Launch and see what
happens.  The eGroups post above explains how to do that if you
do not know.  (BTW, you can use that as a third browser launch.)

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Nancy,

>  It seems to register in my log files as IE instead of Opera,

Here you change it:
File | Preferences | Connections | Browser Identification

Some sites don't let you in if you identify as Opera, since they only check
IE and NS, the rest is "old browser". Opera will also act differently
according to how you set it up. As Opera it will interpret (or rather try
to) ECMA script, as IE JScript and as NS JavaScript for instance. Choose
your error messages!

Lotta

Hi Nancy

>> Maybe it's of interest that Opera released version 5 today, as - adware
>> -ouch!

After talking with Lotta some more in Private eMail, it sounds
like she said that the whole Opera 5 is a mess causing all kinds
of things different on all computers.  She said (and which it hit
afterwards because of it happening from eMail, etc. as well) that
Clips would not work around your problem either.  If I were you I
would uninstall and if Opera did not restore me to my original
configuration after ARGHing I would reinstall IE5 first and then
NS if need be.  That is what *I* would do, so I hope if you do it
all goes like one would hope.  I remember all to well the days of
IE4 and it taking files with it on uninstall causing a Windows
reinstall.  Good luck!  You might try the Opera newsgroups as well.

> I have discovered one problem though.  I had NS as the default
> browser and IE as the "other" browser.  Now, if Opera is open
> and I click on either browser button from the toolbar the file
> opens in Opera, not NS or IE. Seems to work fine if Opera isn't
> open. I reset the default and other browser but no difference.

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Hi Jody and Lotta,

I'm not having the same problems at Lotta, clicking on a link in email with
all three of them open goes to my default browser (NS) as it should, only in
NTab am I having the problem.  Once Opera is closed the toolbar works as
expected (I do have buttons for both browsers on the toolbar).

I did uninstall Opera and reinstalled it and it appears that nothing has
changed except  - the "File" menu button in Opera was disappearing and seems
to be stable now.  Weird - the whole menu bar slid left and dropped "File"  as
soon as I clicked on a window in Opera.

I am in the middle of trying to re- learn a new scheduling program, a new
process for taking digital photos, a new version of an image editor and CSS.
This is also the month to finally get to clips and see if I can "lairn em" .
My plate runneth over!

Thanks, Lotta.  I had found the browser ident in Opera and changed it - no
diff.  Jody - I also reset the default browser to IE and then back to NS along
with the reboots, also to no avail.  Sounds like every installation runs
differently!  Ugh!!

I'm also about to re-do all 350+ pages of my web site (the reason behind all
this foolishness) and thought Opera would be good to have since it is supposed
to be more strict, but  I am definitely in overwhelm.    I think I'll just
dump Opera until/unless they get it more stable and bug free.

Thanks for all you help,
Nancy

Hi Nancy,

>I'm also about to re-do all 350+ pages of my web site (the reason
>behind all this foolishness) and thought Opera would be good to
>have since it is supposed to be more strict, but  I am definitely
>in overwhelm.    I think I'll just dump Opera until/unless they
>get it more stable and bug free.

I certainly will not argue with you there, but sometimes if you
just use the Save window settings under Window and I think there
is one for the ToolBar, at least in Opera 4 which is fairly
stable <g> it starts working a lot better.  At least that has
been my experience.  Also, if your browsers are working correctly
from eMail, then you can build Clips and put them on your default
Clipbar like I mentioned in the other post.  Under normal
conditions I believe Clips are for batter than relying on
Windows/browsers to open/focus correctly.  On some/most systems
everything works OK once configured, but as you saw...

For the OT list. ;)

Sounds like you are busy, busy, busy!  Now, if I could only learn
how to run a PERL script in Linux so I could see my "missing"
drive in Windows I'd be a happy camper once again. :)  Signing up
on a Linux newbies group and asking is like going to a country
where you do not know their language nor they your's and asking
for the lunch menu in a shoe store. ;)  "Just go to any Konsole
and type in ./foo"  Huh?  There's only about 6 different ways to
boot up in different environments and then... Yikes! :)  I did
make it to a Konsole, but it still does not like my PERL command
to run for the fix.

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Hi Jody,

> > From HTMLib
> ><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

Lotta said...

> And the standard ones are:
> ALIGN=left|right|top|middle|bottom
>
> And they don't do exactly what you might think.

I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if that's the kind of
advice it gives.  Life's bad enough without being given non-W3C ideas of what's
acceptable.

Here's what my favourite guide from http://www.htmlhelp.com says...

============
The ALIGN attribute, deprecated in HTML 4.0, specifies the alignment of the
image. The values top, middle, and bottom specify the image's position with
respect to surrounding content on its left and right.

ALIGN=middle aligns the center of the image with the current baseline. To center
the image horizontally on the page, place the image in a centered block, e.g.,

<H1 ALIGN=center><IMG SRC="logo.gif" ALT="Welcome to XYZ Company"></H1>

The other ALIGN values, left and right, specify a floating image; the image is
placed at the left or right margin and content flows around it. To place content
below the image, use <BR CLEAR=left|right|all> as appropriate.

The vertical-align and float properties of Cascading Style Sheets provide more
flexible methods of aligning images.
============

Hope that helps James too!  (Though we'd better not confuse him with stylesheets
yet!  :-)

Greg

Hello Greg and all,

Greg wrote
>I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if that's the
>kind of
>advice it gives

Now now boys, don't start fighting <G>

Let's try and sort this out. WDG's HTML 4.0 Reference and The HTML
Reference Library 4.0 by Stephen Le Hunte have  somewhat different
purposes. The WDG library is a reference on standard w3c HTML. The work of
Le Hunte is a reference on what "tags" are interpreted by browsers, which
is, as we know, not the same thing.

Stephen Le Hunte:
The HTMLib is the most definitive HTML Reference resource available. Rather
than documenting what could be supported by browsers, the HTMLib documents
what is supported by browsers. Hence, no time is wasted reading
hypothetical definitions of HTML elements and attributes.
http://www.htmlib.com/what.htm

HTML Lib isn't a standard reference and doesn't pretend to be. Sadly enough
it is often looked upon as such in spite of the clear declaration.
Personally I like both even if HTML 4.0 reference is closest to heart, and
find that they complement each other quite well. It isn't big Greg. It's
217 kB installed, smaller than HTML reference in chm format. It requires IE
to be installed and that is of course a big download if you doesn't have it.

The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My
favorite. The output is nice, clear and informative and it works very well
with NTB. With Wordwrap off, the line numbers correspond and you can run
them side by side. Unfortunately ARV also requires IE and HTML help to be
installed. BTW if somebody else uses it and also hate the useless editor
window that was added in the latest version, I know how to get rid off it
and gladly share.
http://arealvalidator.com/

Bottom line: one can never get to many references

Peace on earth,
Lotta

Hi Greg,

Well, I did not tell him to use <BLOCKQUOTE> or <B> :)  See below...

>><IMG ALIGN=left|right|top|texttop|middle|absmiddle|baseline|bottom|absbottom>

>I'm glad I didn't get round to downloading the huge HTMLib if
>that's the kind of advice it gives.

>Here's what my favourite guide from http://www.htmlhelp.com says...
>
>============
>The ALIGN attribute, deprecated in HTML 4.0,

I am really trying to conform, but I DON'T LIKE IT, therefore,
here comes me blowing off more steam in my personal fight with
myself, so no need to read it. ;)

<Jody on an outrage again just when you thought it was over <g>>
Gee, had I known all the downloads started with Florida USA, I'd
have it already and think I have above three versions from the
last time this came up. <g>  They really should have called me
for consultation before doing such silly things as depreciating
<b>, <i>, <font>, etc.  They "cause" a whole world to conform
with out those and yet they make the most sense.  Yes, they do
cause us to conform if we want pages to display in say Opera.
Blind user/reader machines should conform to them, not the other
way around.  And, please, do not tell me the word font, italic,
bold, etc. do not make any sense and should be avoided, etc.</g>

I do not know if this is correct, but you get my point about it:

<style sheet>
EM
font:italic
</style sheet>

You say it is to have a standard and for smaller scrunched text
for small super "mickey mouse" wrist watches that are web enabled
for the future that one could not see the screen anyway without a
magnify glass.  Which is more scrunched: <em> or <i>?  Which
makes more sense to the average Joe when first seeing HTML?  My
guess would be <i> because one normally does not get a computer
for the first time, turn in on, open NoteTab, and start building
web pages.  I think they would see "I" on a ToolBar long before
then.

BTW, where might one find this installed after right click on the
inf and choosing Install - it's html 4.0 in HTML format:

\Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\file_id.diz
\Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\html40.INF
\Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\HTMLbook_std.ICO
\Help\HTML\40Ref in HTML\HTMLbook_True_color.ICO

I'd like to convert it to NoteTab's Outline possibly.

OK, now I finally see the only one true valid argument is to have
a standard.  OK, I can live with that one statement.  But what I
have a hard time with is when people, not you Greg, try to make
up flimsy excesses to validate why depreciating something has a
good reason behind it.  If I see a real valid reason, I do not
have a problem with that: set a standard, period.  I can somewhat
understand the argument (which really was never said to the best
of my knowledge, perhaps because it is obvious once one thinks
about it) is because of the use of italic in style sheets <i>
becomes redundant therefore bloating browsers.  However, there is
just not that much code depreciated that I think would make that
much difference and when weighing the difference between <em> via
CSS and <i> there would not be much at all, and perhaps <i> would
win out both in browser code and HTML code weight-wise.

Methinks, set a standard, was said over and over and over again,
but I could not see it in the midst of all the other stuff.
Hopefully, Jody said his was rage and is at peace with himself
now about it. :-)

Happy HTML'n!
Jody

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30/12/00 19:57:22

This is what I use Note Tab for?

First of all I use it to generate web pages. I do them as text first,
and then at some mid way point I convert to HTML and then XHTML too. I
then use my clips that I have extensively altered (but on my web site,
with suitable acknowledgements to all the gang, for all to see) to
fashion those pages the way I want them. Note Tab also does a number of
jobs, for example it does a list of files in a folder, converts them to
the relevant ISP web addresses, and makes them into a web page all at
the click of a mouse and a few filled in details.

I also use it to write emails, and re-created clips that launch the
text into my default email program with the address and subject
selected, and then I control v to paste the actual message in.

Also I use it to sort out the mess of emails with their hard end of
line returns into a flow of a document and then archive those emails
into a text document. I also use it to sort out badly written Word
files which then paste back in ready to format again.

And I use it to keep notes, mainly help files of one sort or another.

Adrian Worsfold

web: http://www.pluralist.co.uk
email: adrian@...

Hi Greg,

>I know that Eric recommends "The HTML Reference Library"
>(http://www.htmlib.com/) which I have not looked at yet.  I use
>the excellent downloadable guide to HTML from
>http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/

So, you definitely recommend the above, eh?  Believe it or not, I
still had the post in my inbox and trying to clean it up. :)

                  Happy New Year to you all!

OffTopic:
If there is an expert Linux and PERL person on the list can you
please write me private eMail if you have time to fix a script
for a problem I have displaying my last partition in Windows.

Happy HTML'n!
Jody

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Lotta,   Would you "share" your method for getting rid of the edit
window in ARV?   Tks..

  @ ]])                   Wendy
             @ ]])       aka: Toushoes


On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:21:52 +0100, you wrote:

>The HTML 4.0 reference in chm format is included in the off line version of
>the WDG validator, ARV by Liam Quinn. Not free, but free trial. My
>favorite. The output is nice, clear and informative and it works very well
>with NTB. With Wordwrap off, the line numbers correspond and you can run
>them side by side. Unfortunately ARV also requires IE and HTML help to be
>installed. BTW if somebody else uses it and also hate the useless editor
>window that was added in the latest version, I know how to get rid off it
>and gladly share.
>http://arealvalidator.com/
>
>Bottom line: one can never get to many references
>
>Peace on earth,
>Lotta