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Hi CF_Muehling,

>Hey all!

Hey ;)  I'm happy with the old one before sourceforge took it over.  You'll just
have to try theirs on some copies to see how it fairs.

>What was the final verdict on the newer versions of Tidy?
>I am intrigued by the "many enhancements, bug fixes," etc. SouceForge
>hints about, but I am still pretty happy with how the older version
>is working.
>
>I'm so tentative about things, I was wondering if it was worth
>downloading?
>
>Christine
>
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#2854

From: loro <loro@...>
Date: Tue Jul 2, 2002 8:57 pm
Subject: Doctype Switching in absurdum

yastupidhoo

Hi,

Mozilla is now introducing a third rendering mode called - brace yourselves
- "ALMOST STANDARDS MODE".

GAAAAH!

<http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/quirks/doctypes.html>
<http://www.evolt.org/article/New_DOCTYPE_sniffing_in_upcoming_Mozilla_releases/\
1/32271/index.html>

Lotta

#2855

From: CISGWW@...
Date: Mon Jul 8, 2002 7:19 pm
Subject: directory path

CISGWW@...

using the insert tag, href link of the html clip i get the following:
<a href="keywords/toolbar2.htm">

how can i get the full path of the file, including the root drive so it
appears as follows?
<a href="c:/agrimaps/helpfiles/keywords/toolbar2.htm">

thanks for the help!!!







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#2856

From: CISGWW@...
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 12:44 pm
Subject: text alignment

CISGWW@...

how do i align either the text or the image so that the text appears to the
right side of the image and starts at the topright corner of the image?

thanks for helping a newbie!
greg



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#2857

From: "Don Passenger" <dpasseng@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] text alignment

dpasseng

when you put the image in, put it in the same paragraph as the text you want
it beside
and use the align = "right" or left attribute in the image tage ... you will
also want to explore the hspace and vspace attributes ... these are all
prompted by the notetab clip for inserting images

if you don't want your next text to start until after the picture finishes,
use <br clear="all" /> before the next text or <p clear="all" /> before the
next paragraph

if you want to get fancier, then you can also use a table with each row
having two cells and the text in one and the picture in the other ... if so
investigate the valign and align tags as they relate to table cells ...
again if you use the more complex table wizard clip you will be prompted for
these things

--
Don Passenger
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: [NH] text alignment


> how do i align either the text or the image so that the text appears to
the
> right side of the image and starts at the topright corner of the image?
>
> thanks for helping a newbie!
> greg
>
>
>
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>
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

#2858

From: Ian Rastall <idrastall@...>
Date: Tue Jul 9, 2002 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] text alignment

idrastall@...

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:44:29 EDT, you wrote:

>how do i align either the text or the image so that the text appears to the
>right side of the image and starts at the topright corner of the image?

You can use your stylesheet. In your CSS, you declare

.float {float: left;}

And then when you do your image, you write:

<img class="float" src="foo" width="foo" height="foo" alt="foo" />

Don't forget the period before "float" in your style declaration. The
finished HTML page might look like this:

<html>
<head>
<title>Foo</title>
<style type="text/css">
.float {float: left;}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<img class="float" src="foo" width="foo" height="foo" alt="foo" />
<p>This is the floated text. BTW, you don't need to call you style
declaration "float". It can be anything.</p>
</body>
</html>

Ian
--
That oughta be like hittin' fungoes
with a corked bat. (Nathaniel Ward)

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#2859

From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 5:28 am
Subject: Re: [NH] directory path

notetabber

Hi CISGWW,

>how can i get the full path of the file, including the root drive
>so it appears as follows?
><a href="c:/agrimaps/helpfiles/keywords/toolbar2.htm">

I would make a copy of the whole HTML Library and name it to
something like YourHTML. ;)  The reason for that is during
upgrades you will have to retrieve all your editing from NoteTab
Libraries unless you do a custom install and don't update the
Libraries.

^!InsertHtml <A href="^?[(T=O)Link to web page=]">^?[Link text=^&]</A>

That will give you the path with local drive format having
backslashes instead of forward.  Here are both ways:

H=HRef Link2
^!InsertHtml <A href="^?[(T=O)Link to web page=]">^?[Link text=^&]</A>

H=HRef Link3
^!Set %RevSlashes%=<A href="^?[(T=O)Link to web page=]">^?[Link text=^&]</A>
^!InsertText ^$StrReplace("\";"/";"^%RevSlashes%";0;0)$

There are other ways to do it, but those should work for you.

99% of Mozilla 1.0 downloaded. Yes!!!  Now it is time to do some
MailBag testing with it. http://www.fookes.com/mailbag ;)

Happy HTML'n!
Jody

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#2860

From: "tapu" <tapu@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 5:38 pm
Subject: NoteTab doesn't find upgraded TopStyle

tapu

I just upgraded to TopStyle 3. The topstyle website says be sure to
install 3 into a different directory than whatever your current
topstyle is in. So I did that.

Now NoteTab doesn't believe I have TopStyle and I haven't been able
to find anything either in options or ini file that I can use to tell
it the new directory name.

Any ideas? Thanks!

#2861

From: "tapu" <tapu@...>
Date: Wed Jul 10, 2002 5:54 pm
Subject: TopStyle upgrade question solved!

tapu

LOL I answered my own question!

In case anyone else has this problem, what you do is go tell TopStyle
where NoteTab is! You do this by clicking Options, then Configure
external programs. Duh. ;)

#2862

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:42 am
Subject: web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

hrs has said I could send a style sheet and find out why it looks bad in
Netscape.
Thank you, hrs.
The version of Netscape is 4.5
I'm working in IE 5.5
Here's a bad page.
http://www.netspace.net.au/~feigh/alex.html


This is the style sheet. Sorry that it's so long, but I think you meant me
to send it.
a:link
{ text-decoration:underline; color:green; font-family:arial,
helvetica,sans;font-size:normal; font-weight:normal;}
a:visited
{ text-decoration:underline; color:green; font-family:arial,
helvetica,sans;font-size:normal;font-weight:normal;}
a:active
{ text-decoration:underline; color:maroon; font-family:arial,
helvetica,sans;font-size:normal;font-weight:normal;}
a:hover
{ text-decoration:underline; color:red;font-family:arial,
helvetica,sans;font-size:normal;font-weight:normal;}
.small{text-decoration:none; font-size:small; font-wieght:bold;}

body
{
color:maroon; background-color:#ffffcc;font-family:Times Roman, serif;
font-weight:normal;
font-size:normal; margin-left:50; margin-right:50;
}
   p  { font-family:times roman, serif; font-size: normal; font-
weight:normal; text-align:justify; color: maroon; }

   h1 { font-family:arial, helvetica,sans; font-size: x-large; color:
maroon; text-align:left;}
   h2 { font-size: large; color: maroon; }
   h3 { font-family:arial, helvetica,sans; font-size: medium; color:
maroon; margin-bottom:0 em; font-weight:bold}
   h4 { font-family:arial, helvetica,sans; color: maroon; margin-
bottom:0 em; font-weight:bold}
.closeup{margin-bottom:0 em;}
.moveup {margin-top:.5 em;}


   hr{color:maroon;}
table{margin-left:"10";}

  td{font-size: medium;font-weight:normal; vertical-align:middle;
text-align:justify;color:maroon;}
  dt{margin-bottom:1em;}
  .up{vertical-align:top;}
.right{text-align:right;}
.upleft{vertical-align:top; text-align:left}
.upright{vertical-align:top; text-align:right;}
th{font-size: larger;font-weight:bold; text-align:center; }

Another very bad page is
http://www.netspace.net.au/~feigh/colour-guide.html
The styles are on the page, because it's unique.
It's supposed to be black with light blue text.

I can make things work by putting the fonts etc around the text.
With links I'm stuck. I can make them green and sans-serif, but then I can't
have the "hover" change, so the links look dead.
I know that all of those links at the top look bad. I now have a menu, but
there's no point in updating the site while it's so messy.
If you can help, thank you very much,
Fay

#2863

From: "Adam Weston" <adam_weston@...>
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

adam_weston@...

Fay:

>I can make things work by putting the fonts etc around the
>text.

I don't recomend this at all. You shouldnt be using <font>, <b>, etc any
longer because that method has been replaced with CSS. If you must use the
old markup tags, I would use them exclusively, mixing them with CSS will get
very sticky...

>With links I'm stuck. I can make them green and sans-serif,
>but then I can't have the "hover" change, so the links look
>dead. I know that all of those links at the top look bad.

I don't believe the hover style works in netscape 4.7, and probably not in
version 6 either. I would not worry too much about that, just let it go and
chalk it up as one more thing to hate about Netscape ;)

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#2864

From: stephen riddle <stephen@...>
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

stephenriddle

Hover will not work in Netscape four, but then again it's a product from
before hover was invented.  Hover also does not work on an Etcha-a-Sketch.
Think I'll start hating Etcha-a-Sketches!
Almost everything works on Netscape 6.
Good thing some folks actually try it.
Good Luck,
Stephen

>
> I don't believe the hover style works in netscape 4.7, and probably not in
> version 6 either. I would not worry too much about that, just let it go and
> chalk it up as one more thing to hate about Netscape ;)
>
>

#2865

From: "john041650" <john041650@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: web pages and Netscape

john041650

--- In ntb-html@y..., "Fay" <feigh@i...> wrote:
> hrs has said I could send a style sheet and find out why it looks
bad in
> Netscape.
> Thank you, hrs.
> The version of Netscape is 4.5
> I'm working in IE 5.5
> Here's a bad page.
> http://www.netspace.net.au/~feigh/alex.html



Hello Fay,

I hope I am not stealing Harvey's thunder here, but I have a few
extra minutes today and thought I'd quickly analyze your stylesheet.
Below is the final result.  Using Netscape 4.0 it displays much
better than it did before however as Adam and Stephen have mentioned,
the hover will not work in versions of Netscape before 6.0..

This was only a quick analysis, there are other changes that probably
should made as well, but hopefully this will put you on the right
track.

Regards,

John

/* ======================================== */

a:link{
background:transparent;
color:#008000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-decoration:underline
}
a:visited{
background:transparent;
color:#008000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-decoration:underline
}
a:hover{
background:transparent;
color:#ff0000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-decoration:underline
}
a:active{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-decoration:underline
}
body{
background:#ffffcc;
color:#800000;
font-family:"Times Roman",sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
margin-left:50px;
margin-right:50px
}
dt{
margin-bottom:1em
}
h1{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:x-large;
text-align:left
}
h2{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-size:large
}
h3{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:bold;
margin-bottom:0em
}
h4{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif,serif;
font-weight:bold;
margin-bottom:0em
}
hr{
background:transparent;
color:#800000
}
p{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-family:"times roman",sans-serif,serif;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-align:justify
}
table{
margin-left:10px
}
td{
background:transparent;
color:#800000;
font-size:medium;
font-weight:normal;
text-align:justify;
vertical-align:middle
}
th{
font-size:larger;
font-weight:bold;
text-align:center
}
.closeup{
margin-bottom:0em
}
.moveup{
margin-top:.5em
}
.right{
text-align:right
}
.small{
font-size:small;
text-decoration:none
}
.up{
vertical-align:top
}
.upleft{
text-align:left;
vertical-align:top
}
.upright{
text-align:right;
vertical-align:top
}

#2866

From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

hrs62930

> john041650 wrote:
  >
  > --- In ntb-html@y..., "Fay" <feigh@i...> wrote:
  >
  > hrs has said I could send a style sheet and find out why it looks
  >
  >
  > Hello Fay,
  >
  > I hope I am not stealing Harvey's thunder here, but I have a few
  > extra minutes today and thought I'd quickly analyze your stylesheet.
  > Below is the final result.
  > Regards,
  >
  > John

Hey John,

Don't worry, the reason I joined all these lists is, I was pretty sure I
would learn something.  With your version of the stylesheet I have yet
another resource to draw from.

hrs

#2867

From: "Adam Weston" <adam_weston@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

adam_weston@...

My bad... I thought hover was a MS-specific, but as you implied, I should
have checked before opening my mouth.

(OK "hate" was too strong a word, but I still "dislike" NS ;-) )

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
Hover will not work in Netscape four, but then again it's a product from
before hover was invented.  Hover also does not work on an Etcha-a-Sketch.
Think I'll start hating Etcha-a-Sketches!
Almost everything works on Netscape 6.
Good thing some folks actually try it.
Good Luck,
Stephen




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#2868

From: "Jeff Burrows" <jeffb2nd@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 5:45 pm
Subject: RE: [NH] web pages and Netscape

jeffb2nd@...

Still, since the last time Netscape 4 was updated,
I have had two children and three new cars.

Back then, Netscape did cost between $29 and $79
so I can understand that people want a return on
their investment, but isn't it getting silly...?

Please, tell everyone you know, everyone within
the sound of your voice, that if they are so
afraid of Microsoft that they can't handle IE,
both Netscape 6.2 and Mozilla 1.0 are free to
download and are very nice.



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Weston [mailto:adam_weston@...]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:11 PM
To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape


My bad... I thought hover was a MS-specific, but as you implied, I should
have checked before opening my mouth.

(OK "hate" was too strong a word, but I still "dislike" NS ;-) )

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
Hover will not work in Netscape four, but then again it's a product from
before hover was invented.  Hover also does not work on an Etcha-a-Sketch.
Think I'll start hating Etcha-a-Sketches!
Almost everything works on Netscape 6.
Good thing some folks actually try it.
Good Luck,
Stephen




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#2869

From: "Ian C. Purdie" <ianpurdie@...>
Date: Thu Jul 18, 2002 11:16 pm
Subject: Problem in NoteTab Pro

vk2tip

Hi,

I hope someone can help me with a problem in NoteTab Pro. I upgraded to 4.9/np
(Full Version)

Whenever I hit F8 focus is never automatically given to IE6 or with Shift F8 to
Nutscrape. I always have to manually minimise NoteTab. Ditto if I click on
something else in the task bar.

Nothing in FAQ. Cure?

Suggestion for future releases:

Is it possible in Help/About to make the links clickable?. I was going to look
for FAQ and had to manually enter the URL in my browser.


Ian C. Purdie
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#2870

From: Jody <av1611@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] Problem in NoteTab Pro

notetabber

Hi Ian,

>I hope someone can help me with a problem in NoteTab Pro. I
>upgraded to 4.9/np (Full Version)
>
>Whenever I hit F8 focus is never automatically given to IE6 or
>with Shift F8 to Nutscrape. I always have to manually minimise
>NoteTab. Ditto if I click on something else in the task bar.

That is a Windows issue due to programmers taking advantage of
bringing their program to the front when they "shouldn't" be.

In Help look up browsers.dat  Hopefully you can work it out from
that.  There are a couple of examples in the browsers.dat file
itself.

>Suggestion for future releases:
>
>Is it possible in Help/About to make the links clickable?. I was
>going to look for FAQ and had to manually enter the URL in my
>browser.

We use to have it like that, but Eric took it out for some reason.

Happy HTML'n!
Jody

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#2871

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

Thanks, John. The corrected style sheet should be up by tomorrow night.
I have to change bits on each page first; takes a while.
Every bit of help is appreciated.
Fay

#2872

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

Being relatively dumb, didn't see the corrected sheet at the bottom of the
letter.
Thanks v much indeed. I'll look through and c/f what I've done.
Thank you.

#2873

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

Knowing that has stopped me from wasting time trying to make it work.
Thanks.
Fay

#2874

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

All the html sites said "Make sure it works in old browsers".
So I got one, and it didn't.
I have no way of knowing how many people would be using NS4.
I still have a hankering for Word 2.
Perhaps some like the old NS or have small hdds.
I tried NS6 once and it took too long to fire up.
I threw it away.
IE suits me well, but I'd like my pages to look reasonable everywhere.
Thanks.
Fay.

#2875

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

John,
Please, why the alternative font-family?
Is it that some browser would have access only to one font family?
I know you must be right, but I need to understand the why of it.
Thanks,
Fay.

#2876

From: "Larry Hamilton" <lmh@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:13 am
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

lm_hamilton

Fay,

The fonts are controlled by what font is on the computer viewing the web
page.

If a user does not have the comic font, which you want them to use, sinc
eyou designed it that way, you can specify a fallback choice to try and keep
the look of the page like you intend it to be.

Larry Hamilton
lmh@...
http://notlimah.tripod.com/
http://jillhamilton-momteam.shorturl.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape


> John,
> Please, why the alternative font-family?
> Is it that some browser would have access only to one font family?
> I know you must be right, but I need to understand the why of it.
> Thanks,
> Fay.

#2877

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:27 am
Subject: Re: [NH] Re: web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

But as the last bit of font-family it went "sans-serif, serif;" (or the
other way around if the first choice was a serif font) . I'm still puzzled.
The validator that Lotta sent me too liked it, but it seems strange to me.
Fay.

#2878

From: stephen riddle <stephen@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:25 am
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

stephenriddle

Hi Adam et al.

That's ok.  I dislike IE, maybe not as strongly as some, It's a pretty ok
browser at any rate, but I gave up flaming browsers last year.  There are
several IE-specific CSS extensions. (I think they call them filters or
something like that.) I have not checked out IE-6 completely, but there were
a few things in the STANDARDS that IE-5 did not do.  Since I can't remember
what they are, they must not be that important.  And since IE-6 ate up IE-5
and, maybe a few other files, I can't re-check the situation out.
I've also noted that you can't believe everything you read.  There have been
times I've read about a bug in one brand of browser (in books I paid for, no
less), but hav it work fine in that browser (at least for me), but not in the
other one.  (And it's gone both ways.)  I have a lot of bi-lateral dyslexia,
if there are dyads, I need to repeatedly check my data that I'm calling a
spade a spade and a club a club, not the other way around.  I think some of
the on-line and in-print gurus do the same thing except forget to check, so,
checking for yourself is always a good thang.

On Friday 19 July 2002 10:11, you wrote:
> My bad... I thought hover was a MS-specific, but as you implied, I should
> have checked before opening my mouth.
>
> (OK "hate" was too strong a word, but I still "dislike" NS ;-) )
>
> -Adam
>

#2879

From: stephen riddle <stephen@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:48 am
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

stephenriddle

Hi Fay,
Because browsers are so individual, it seems (and even your user's settings
will alter the way a web page looks), remember that your page will only look
identical in assorted browsers if it is nothing but plain text with a .txt
extension.  Trying to control everything about every user's experience with
your page will only leave you verrry disgusted with something or other.
What you need to do is decide what is most important, and go for that, then
next most important, and then. . .  I have a friend who designs for one
browser and says the other looks like bat dung.  When I visit her site, with
the despicable browser, it looks fine to me.  She is upset because a line
here or there is not showing "properly".  I try not to tell her she's being
silly. . .

One way to (kind of) test for old browsers, without actually having one, that
is, is to turn off scripting, CSS, and anything else on your browser.  (I
believe in IE, it's under Internet Options, I'm in Linux at the moment, and
can't check, as I don't have a Linux-compatible IE (really don't think there
is one) so someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
I am getting to where I like the older browsers better, myself.  The load
pages quickly and ignore the fluff.
Take care and good luck,
Stephen

On Friday 19 July 2002 16:01, you wrote:
> All the html sites said "Make sure it works in old browsers".
> So I got one, and it didn't.
> I have no way of knowing how many people would be using NS4.
(You should have some kind of site stats or logs available, somewhere.)
> IE suits me well, but I'd like my pages to look reasonable everywhere.
> Thanks.
> Fay.
>
> --

#2880

From: "Fay" <feigh@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 1:04 am
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

feigh@...

Thanks for this informative and encouraging answer, Stephen.
We only have possums here to befoul, and the pages weren't that bad, but
background colours were missing and everything was black and blue on white.
Lotta has taken me a long way to correction, and explained that some things
aren't possible. I'm well pleased--but gosh I have a lot of correction to
do!
Cheers, Fay.

#2881

From: Ian Rastall <idrastall@...>
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:21 am
Subject: Re: [NH] web pages and Netscape

idrastall@...

On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:01:25 +1000, you wrote:

>All the html sites said "Make sure it works in old browsers".
>So I got one, and it didn't.
>I have no way of knowing how many people would be using NS4.

One important concept in the world of HTML is that web pages should
degrade gracefully. This means that when accomodating something like
NS4, you don't have to make everything exactly the same, as long as it
looks pretty good, and works fine. Not having hover on NS4 is just
fine. One thing I like to do is to remove the underline on links, by
writing:

a {text-decoration: none;}

and combined with no hover, sometimes it's hard to see links. But I do
it anyway, and I figure most net users are so used to the context of
links that they'll have no trouble knowing which is which.

There's a movement out there to exclude NS4 from everything. A lot of
people now won't code for that browser at all. Some will detect the
browser, and if NS4 is detected, the user will be forwarded to a
screen telling them to update their browser. That's not terribly fair
for people on slow connections, though (especially in under-developed
nations). Some people will write the stylesheet without taking NS4
into account at all. They'll detect the browser, and if it's NS4, it
gets the plain version.

I do something different. I use the @import hack. There are different
ways of introducing a stylesheet, and one of them is to write:

<style type="text/css">
@import "foo.css";
</style>

Every browser recognizes this, *except* NS4. So if you introduce an
external stylesheet, like so:

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="foo2.css" />

you can make that the stylesheet that Netscape recognizes, and make
your @import stylesheet the one that all the other browsers recognize.
You put all your main CSS in the Netscape sheet, and then anything
that needs to be overridden, you put in the other one. Because
style-sheets cascade, anything in @import will take precedence over
anything in <link>.

Sorry for the long explanation. Hope this helps.

Ian
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