Hi  all


I am new in the field just startered  I would like to know which
browser Can I use (netscape.....)which is compatible with windows xp to
windows 95/8.


Where can I download  a free browser .



from
Samson Ndou
ndousm@...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Sam Ndou wrote:
>
> Hi  all
>
>
> I am new in the field just startered  I would like to know which
> browser Can I use (netscape.....)which is compatible with windows xp to
> windows 95/8.
>
>
> Where can I download  a free browser .
>
>
>
> from
> Samson Ndou
> ndousm@...

Sam,

Try this - http://netscape.com/ - for Netscape browser,

when the page finishes loading.

Or, try

http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/

Mozilla is Netscape before Netscape get their hands on it.

hrs

On 18/10/2004 02:13, Sam Ndou invited the wrath of the gods by saying:

>
> I am new in the field just startered  I would like to know which
> browser Can I use (netscape.....)which is compatible with windows xp to
> windows 95/8.
>
>
> Where can I download  a free browser .


OK, let's take it a point at a time.

To begin with, most Windows versions since Win95 (except the very first
version of Win95) come with a copy  of  Internet Explorer. All of them
can have a more recent version installed for free, by visiting Windows
Update or the page  http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx ,
with the following comments:

1- Win95, Win98  "first edition" and (I think) Windows NT 4 can only be
upgraded to  Internet Explorer 5.5, which is already a four years old
browser, and has a number of well-known rendering bugs;
2- The latest version of Internet Explorer for Windows  XP (IE 6.0 sp2)
is only available as part of the Windows XP Service  Pack 2, and not
available at all to other versions of Windows.
3- All of them have some updates to be downloaded after the installation
(mostly related to plugging part of the security holes in IE), usually
from Windows Update.
4- EVEN the latest IE (the one in WinXP S2) has known rendering bugs,
some of them pretty  important. Microsoft manifested no intention of
fixing them in the foreseeable future. And  all of them have known
security bugs, and new ones  are frequently.

So, no, I don't like IE very much, although I use it now and then when I
have to visit a site which was badly designed  and tested only  on IE.
Even so, I only  do that if I'm reasonably sure of the honesty and
trustworthyness of the company which owns the site.

Alternative browsers,  then. Let's take them one at a time:

1- Old-style  Netscape  (version 4.x and lower): You can  still find  it
around,  but it's very buggy and hopelessly obsolete by now, and almost
nobody still  uses it. Only install it if you NEED to test your design
in this environment.
2- New-style Netscape (version 7.2): Based on Mozilla Suite 1.7. Unless
you are an AOL subscriber, I don't  see much point to  this: it's
basically a Mozilla with a lot  of  AOL-specific crap  added to it. And
they only update  it  about once a year, while Mozilla is updated about
quarterly.
3- Mozilla Application Suite: ( http://www.mozilla.org ) The latest
"release" version is  1.7.3, and there's a beta version of 1.8 in use
too. That's what I use at present, although I'm considering migrating to
the new stand-alone applications (Firefox/Thunderbird/nView/Sunbird)
sometime in the future. It's a complete suite  (browser+e-mail+HTML
composer+IRC chat),  but many people feel it's too big and bloated. If
you are going to use it in older hardware and/or need only the browser,
look at Firefox.
4- Mozilla Firefox: Also from the Mozilla site. The new kid on the
block. A reengineered stand-alone browser product. It's NOT "just
Mozilla with the other stuff cut out;"  it actually  uses a more
advanced (and easier) user interface than the Mozilla Suite. The guts
(rendering engine) are the same as the Mozilla  Suite, so pages should
render identically in both. The latest version is the 1.0 "preview
release," which is fancy talk to say "We're almost there, give us  a
couple more  weeks." The 1.0 Final version should  be released about
one week after the U.S. elections.
5- Opera ( http://www.opera.com ): another fine, lightweight browser,
which for years have been considered one of the best around, despite its
small presence in the market.  This one is  not exactly free: you  can
use it for free in an "ad-sponsered" mode (with a small banner ad
appearing on the window) or buy it  and get rid  of the ads.

All of these should run in anything from Win95 to WinXP (and  probably
even in the  Longhorn betas), although in  older computers I recommend
only Firefox and Opera.

--
Marcelo de Castro Bastos
-=-=-
... All true wisdom is found on T-Shirts.
* TagZilla 0.057

I personaly use Firefox. It's just better IMHO.


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:13:06 -0300, Marcelo de Castro Bastos
<mcblista@...> wrote:
>
> On 18/10/2004 02:13, Sam Ndou invited the wrath of the gods by saying:
>
> >
> > I am new in the field just startered  I would like to know which
> > browser Can I use (netscape.....)which is compatible with windows xp to
> > windows 95/8.
> >
> >
> > Where can I download  a free browser .
>
>
> OK, let's take it a point at a time.
>
> To begin with, most Windows versions since Win95 (except the very first
> version of Win95) come with a copy  of  Internet Explorer. All of them
> can have a more recent version installed for free, by visiting Windows
> Update or the page  http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx ,
> with the following comments:
>
> 1- Win95, Win98  "first edition" and (I think) Windows NT 4 can only be
> upgraded to  Internet Explorer 5.5, which is already a four years old
> browser, and has a number of well-known rendering bugs;
> 2- The latest version of Internet Explorer for Windows  XP (IE 6.0 sp2)
> is only available as part of the Windows XP Service  Pack 2, and not
> available at all to other versions of Windows.
> 3- All of them have some updates to be downloaded after the installation
> (mostly related to plugging part of the security holes in IE), usually
> from Windows Update.
> 4- EVEN the latest IE (the one in WinXP S2) has known rendering bugs,
> some of them pretty  important. Microsoft manifested no intention of
> fixing them in the foreseeable future. And  all of them have known
> security bugs, and new ones  are frequently.
>
> So, no, I don't like IE very much, although I use it now and then when I
> have to visit a site which was badly designed  and tested only  on IE.
> Even so, I only  do that if I'm reasonably sure of the honesty and
> trustworthyness of the company which owns the site.
>
> Alternative browsers,  then. Let's take them one at a time:
>
> 1- Old-style  Netscape  (version 4.x and lower): You can  still find  it
> around,  but it's very buggy and hopelessly obsolete by now, and almost
> nobody still  uses it. Only install it if you NEED to test your design
> in this environment.
> 2- New-style Netscape (version 7.2): Based on Mozilla Suite 1.7. Unless
> you are an AOL subscriber, I don't  see much point to  this: it's
> basically a Mozilla with a lot  of  AOL-specific crap  added to it. And
> they only update  it  about once a year, while Mozilla is updated about
> quarterly.
> 3- Mozilla Application Suite: ( http://www.mozilla.org ) The latest
> "release" version is  1.7.3, and there's a beta version of 1.8 in use
> too. That's what I use at present, although I'm considering migrating to
> the new stand-alone applications (Firefox/Thunderbird/nView/Sunbird)
> sometime in the future. It's a complete suite  (browser+e-mail+HTML
> composer+IRC chat),  but many people feel it's too big and bloated. If
> you are going to use it in older hardware and/or need only the browser,
> look at Firefox.
> 4- Mozilla Firefox: Also from the Mozilla site. The new kid on the
> block. A reengineered stand-alone browser product. It's NOT "just
> Mozilla with the other stuff cut out;"  it actually  uses a more
> advanced (and easier) user interface than the Mozilla Suite. The guts
> (rendering engine) are the same as the Mozilla  Suite, so pages should
> render identically in both. The latest version is the 1.0 "preview
> release," which is fancy talk to say "We're almost there, give us  a
> couple more  weeks." The 1.0 Final version should  be released about
> one week after the U.S. elections.
> 5- Opera ( http://www.opera.com ): another fine, lightweight browser,
> which for years have been considered one of the best around, despite its
> small presence in the market.  This one is  not exactly free: you  can
> use it for free in an "ad-sponsered" mode (with a small banner ad
> appearing on the window) or buy it  and get rid  of the ads.
>
> All of these should run in anything from Win95 to WinXP (and  probably
> even in the  Longhorn betas), although in  older computers I recommend
> only Firefox and Opera.
>
> --
> Marcelo de Castro Bastos
> -=-=-
> ... All true wisdom is found on T-Shirts.
> * TagZilla 0.057
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


--
Josh Simmons  -  CK

Hi all


I would like to know which  site can I visit to find different styles
of the website templates or which book can i buy to get different
styles of websites.



from
samson

Being a big fan of CSS design a few of my favorite sites that show
different designs are:

http://www.csszengarden.com/ - CSS Zen Garden- this site is excellent
for seeing how different style sheets can completely change a sites
design even while maintaining the same HTML.

http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ - The Blue Robot showing a few
basic CSS Design templates.

http://www.alistapart.com/ - articles on HTML, CSS etc with many
articles on site design.

Regards,
Steve

I had a link once but can't find it now, to a site that would randomly
create a css style sheet for a particular page by varying certain
parameters. When a "good" one was discovered the style sheet that generated
it could be d/l'd for your own use.

Has anyone else seen this or (better) have the link?

Regards ... Alec
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---- Original Message ----
From: "Steve Ting" <scting@...>
To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:03
Subject: [gla: Re: [NH] html books

> Being a big fan of CSS design a few of my favorite sites
> that show different designs are:
>
> http://www.csszengarden.com/ - CSS Zen Garden- this site
> is excellent for seeing how different style sheets can
> completely change a sites design even while maintaining
> the same HTML.
>
> http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ - The Blue Robot
> showing a few basic CSS Design templates.
>
> http://www.alistapart.com/ - articles on HTML, CSS etc
> with many articles on site design.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alec Burgess wrote:
>I had a link once but can't find it now, to a site that would randomly
>create a css style sheet for a particular page by varying certain
>parameters

StrangeBanana maybe?
http://www.strangebanana.com/


Lotta

Is this what you were thinking of?
http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_NN4_FMFM.mhtml


--- Alec Burgess <burale@...> wrote:

> I had a link once but can't find it now, to a site that would
> randomly
> create a css style sheet for a particular page by varying certain
> parameters. When a "good" one was discovered the style sheet that
> generated
> it could be d/l'd for your own use.
>
> Has anyone else seen this or (better) have the link?
>
> Regards ... Alec
> --
>
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: "Steve Ting" <scting@...>
> To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:03
> Subject: [gla: Re: [NH] html books
>
> > Being a big fan of CSS design a few of my favorite sites
> > that show different designs are:
> >
> > http://www.csszengarden.com/ - CSS Zen Garden- this site
> > is excellent for seeing how different style sheets can
> > completely change a sites design even while maintaining
> > the same HTML.
> >
> > http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ - The Blue Robot
> > showing a few basic CSS Design templates.
> >
> > http://www.alistapart.com/ - articles on HTML, CSS etc
> > with many articles on site design.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks Lotta, Sister:

It was the strangebananas I was remembering but the alex/css/layouts is
useful for playing around with too.

Regards ... Alec
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---- Original Message ----
From: "sisterscape" <sisterscape@...>
To: <ntb-html@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 22:10
Subject: [gla: Re: [NH] html books

> Is this what you were thinking of?
> http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_NN4_FMFM.mhtml
>
>
> --- Alec Burgess <burale@...> wrote:
>
>> I had a link once but can't find it now, to a site that
>> would randomly
>> create a css style sheet for a particular page by
>> varying certain parameters. When a "good" one was
>> discovered the style sheet that generated
>> it could be d/l'd for your own use.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen this or (better) have the link?

Maybe http://www.strangebanana.com/generator.aspx


> --- Alec Burgess <burale@...> wrote:
>> a site that would
>> randomly
>> create a css style sheet

I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for our
web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor does
the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
:PG

On 25/10/2004 20:14, Paul Geiger invited the wrath of the gods by saying:

> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for our
> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor does
> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
> :PG

I tested the page in both Mozilla 1.8a4 and Firefox 1.0RC1 and the page
works for me. I see both the W3C logo and the counter, and the counter
incremented between views. Must be some problem with your Mozilla install.

--
Marcelo de Castro Bastos
-=-=-
... Chain tagline! Copy or bad luck will follow!
* TagZilla 0.057

Paul Geiger wrote:
  > I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for our
  > web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
  > Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
  > Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
  > www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor does
  > the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
  > is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
  > :PG

Paul,

I use Mozilla and if you are speaking of the address in the email the
FC, FastCounter and the W3C logo are both visible to me.

FastCounter count is 9231.

hrs

Thank you. I'm running older copies of both Firefox and Mozilla--must
be the prob.
:PG
\
On Oct 26, 2004, at 9:21 AM, ntb-html@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>
> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Browsers and  XHTML
>            From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
>       2. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>            From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
>       3. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>            From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:29 -0700
>    From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> Subject: Browsers and  XHTML
>
> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for our
> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
> does
> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
> :PG
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:35 -0300
>    From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>
> On 25/10/2004 20:14, Paul Geiger invited the wrath of the gods by
> saying:
>
>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for
>> our
>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
>> does
>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
>> :PG
>
> I tested the page in both Mozilla 1.8a4 and Firefox 1.0RC1 and the page
> works for me. I see both the W3C logo and the counter, and the counter
> incremented between views. Must be some problem with your Mozilla
> install.
>
> --
> Marcelo de Castro Bastos
> -=-=-
> ... Chain tagline! Copy or bad luck will follow!
> * TagZilla 0.057
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:18:37 -0500
>    From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>
> Paul Geiger wrote:
>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for
>> our
>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
>> does
>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
>> :PG
>
> Paul,
>
> I use Mozilla and if you are speaking of the address in the email the
> FC, FastCounter and the W3C logo are both visible to me.
>
> FastCounter count is 9231.
>
> hrs
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>
>
>
>

Dear Notetabbers:
Is this the proper forum for querying members and Notetab experts about
website construction using either XHTML or CSS?  I see W3C will
validate both and I use Notetab Pro 4.95. I love its ease of use and
features abounding. What are the advantages in using style sheets if I
can be reasonably competent using XHTML? I'm not interested in making
pages look like a slick e-zine or printed magazine, i.e., with multiple
columns and eye-bothering boxes here, there and all over the page. Will
CSS help with navigation? What are its real advantages to a person who
manages a volunteer website, no sales, informational only (mostly),
accepting questions and feedback on Burbank plant varieties, providing
tours, etc.? We are the Western Sonoma County Historical Society with
particular attention to the relic of the Burbank Experiment Farm
(1885-1926) in addition to managing a small museum in Sebastopol CA
USA.
:PG

On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:32 AM, ntb-html@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>
> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Digest Number 820
>            From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:03:27 -0700
>    From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 820
>
> Thank you. I'm running older copies of both Firefox and Mozilla--must
> be the prob.
> :PG
> \
> On Oct 26, 2004, at 9:21 AM, ntb-html@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>>
>> Topics in this digest:
>>
>>       1. Browsers and  XHTML
>>            From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
>>       2. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>>            From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
>>       3. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>>            From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>>
>> Message: 1
>>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:29 -0700
>>    From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
>> Subject: Browsers and  XHTML
>>
>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for
>> our
>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
>> does
>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK as
>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
>> :PG
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>>
>> Message: 2
>>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:35 -0300
>>    From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
>> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>>
>> On 25/10/2004 20:14, Paul Geiger invited the wrath of the gods by
>> saying:
>>
>>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for
>>> our
>>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
>>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
>>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
>>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
>>> does
>>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK
>>> as
>>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
>>> :PG
>>
>> I tested the page in both Mozilla 1.8a4 and Firefox 1.0RC1 and the
>> page
>> works for me. I see both the W3C logo and the counter, and the counter
>> incremented between views. Must be some problem with your Mozilla
>> install.
>>
>> --
>> Marcelo de Castro Bastos
>> -=-=-
>> ... Chain tagline! Copy or bad luck will follow!
>> * TagZilla 0.057
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>>
>> Message: 3
>>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:18:37 -0500
>>    From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
>> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
>>
>> Paul Geiger wrote:
>>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages for
>>> our
>>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
>>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
>>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
>>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up nor
>>> does
>>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is OK
>>> as
>>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
>>> :PG
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I use Mozilla and if you are speaking of the address in the email the
>> FC, FastCounter and the W3C logo are both visible to me.
>>
>> FastCounter count is 9231.
>>
>> hrs
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _
>> _
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>> -
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
> _______________________________________________________________________
> _
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>
>
>
>

It's not either XHTML or CSS.  It's XHTML and CSS!!  CSS styles the
xhtml markup which makes it much cleaner, more accessible and easier to
make changes since they are global.  You can get a good idea of the
power of CSS by looking at this site http://www.csszengarden.com/.


--- Paul Geiger <paulg@...> wrote:

>
> Dear Notetabbers:
> Is this the proper forum for querying members and Notetab experts
> about
> website construction using either XHTML or CSS?  I see W3C will
> validate both and I use Notetab Pro 4.95. I love its ease of use and
>
> features abounding. What are the advantages in using style sheets if
> I
> can be reasonably competent using XHTML? I'm not interested in making
>
> pages look like a slick e-zine or printed magazine, i.e., with
> multiple
> columns and eye-bothering boxes here, there and all over the page.
> Will
> CSS help with navigation? What are its real advantages to a person
> who
> manages a volunteer website, no sales, informational only (mostly),
> accepting questions and feedback on Burbank plant varieties,
> providing
> tours, etc.? We are the Western Sonoma County Historical Society with
>
> particular attention to the relic of the Burbank Experiment Farm
> (1885-1926) in addition to managing a small museum in Sebastopol CA
> USA.
> :PG
>
> On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:32 AM, ntb-html@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> >       1. Re: Digest Number 820
> >            From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > _
> >
>
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>
> > _
> >
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:03:27 -0700
> >    From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 820
> >
> > Thank you. I'm running older copies of both Firefox and
> Mozilla--must
> > be the prob.
> > :PG
> > \
> > On Oct 26, 2004, at 9:21 AM, ntb-html@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> There are 3 messages in this issue.
> >>
> >> Topics in this digest:
> >>
> >>       1. Browsers and  XHTML
> >>            From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> >>       2. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
> >>            From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
> >>       3. Re: Browsers and  XHTML
> >>            From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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> >> _
> >>
>
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>
> >> _
> >> _
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:14:29 -0700
> >>    From: Paul Geiger <paulg@...>
> >> Subject: Browsers and  XHTML
> >>
> >> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages
> for
> >> our
> >> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
> >> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
> >> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
> >> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up
> nor
> >> does
> >> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is
> OK as
> >> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
> >> :PG
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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>
> >> _
> >> _
> >>
>
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>
> >> _
> >> _
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:35 -0300
> >>    From: Marcelo de Castro Bastos <mcblista@...>
> >> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
> >>
> >> On 25/10/2004 20:14, Paul Geiger invited the wrath of the gods by
> >> saying:
> >>
> >>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages
> for
> >>> our
> >>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
> >>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
> >>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
> >>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up
> nor
> >>> does
> >>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is
> OK
> >>> as
> >>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
> >>> :PG
> >>
> >> I tested the page in both Mozilla 1.8a4 and Firefox 1.0RC1 and the
>
> >> page
> >> works for me. I see both the W3C logo and the counter, and the
> counter
> >> incremented between views. Must be some problem with your Mozilla
> >> install.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marcelo de Castro Bastos
> >> -=-=-
> >> ... Chain tagline! Copy or bad luck will follow!
> >> * TagZilla 0.057
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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>
> >> _
> >> _
> >>
>
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>
> >> _
> >> _
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >>    Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:18:37 -0500
> >>    From: hsavage <hsavage@...>
> >> Subject: Re: Browsers and  XHTML
> >>
> >> Paul Geiger wrote:
> >>> I'm trying to minimize time in updating and composing new pages
> for
> >>> our
> >>> web pages and have not yet learned CSS so am using XHTML 1.0
> >>> Transitional by means of Notetab Pro and Tidy HTML.
> >>> Using W3C validator on the web I validated the index page for
> >>> www.wschs-grf.pon.net  but the  Fast Counter no longer comes up
> nor
> >>> does
> >>> the W3C logo in Mozilla or Firefox. Netcaptor Pro (on IE 5.5) is
> OK
> >>> as
> >>> is Opera 7.5.3. Anybody seen something like this?
> >>> :PG
> >>
> >> Paul,
> >>
> >> I use Mozilla and if you are speaking of the address in the email
> the
> >> FC, FastCounter and the W3C logo are both visible to me.
> >>
> >> FastCounter count is 9231.
> >>
> >> hrs
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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FWIW,
The pages I design for our local Dressage club have a similar purpose.
They are mainly for informational purposes. I only use XHTML and CSS in
their design. If you are interested the sites address is.
www.snc-cds.com

Regards,
Steve

Steve,
I am trying to learn more about CSS and XHTML, so I checked out your site. I
like your html code, it's very clean with the use of the <div> tags. Do you
know how I can view the stylesheets/sncstyle.css.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Ting [mailto:scting@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:06 PM
To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [NH] Digest Number 821



FWIW,
The pages I design for our local Dressage club have a similar purpose.
They are mainly for informational purposes. I only use XHTML and CSS in
their design. If you are interested the sites address is.
www.snc-cds.com

Regards,
Steve





Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi John,

  > I like your html code, it's very clean with the use of the <div> tags<
Thank you.

  >Do you know how I can view the stylesheets/sncstyle.css.<

Option 1-
The style sheets can be viewed using the following links.
http://www.snc-cds.com/stylesheets/sncstyle.css
http://www.snc-cds.com/stylesheets/sncstyle1.css

Option 2
If you are using the Firefox web browser use the Web developer tool bar
(available at http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/)
and view/edit the style sheet using the tool bar. This tool bar is a
very handy tool in seeing how a style sheet can effect the page as well
many other uses. Another good reason to switch to Firefox.

Regards,
Steve

there are two ways:
one type the url in your browser:
http://www.snc-cds.com/stylesheets/sncstyle.css
two use firefox with the web developer extension and click on edit css

if you have not tried firefox yet (free at http://mozilla.org ) you
should -- it did for browsers what notetab did for text/code editors for me

Wright, John - Textron Financial wrote:
> Steve,
> I am trying to learn more about CSS and XHTML, so I checked out your site. I
> like your html code, it's very clean with the use of the <div> tags. Do you
> know how I can view the stylesheets/sncstyle.css.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Ting [mailto:scting@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:06 PM
> To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [NH] Digest Number 821
>
>

There is an "edit styles" bookmarklet at
http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html that should be
good, I use it when I want to toy with css I'm working on, it lets you
see changes you are making real time. It only works in a mozilla
browser though, such as firefox, I prefer to use bookmarklets instead
of extensions when possible because it makes upgrades easier, you
don't need to update bookmarklets every time you update you version of
firefox.
Firefox is the best IMHO www.firefox.com

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:07:20 -0400, Don Passenger <dpasseng@...> wrote:
>
> there are two ways:
> one type the url in your browser:
> http://www.snc-cds.com/stylesheets/sncstyle.css
> two use firefox with the web developer extension and click on edit css
>
> if you have not tried firefox yet (free at http://mozilla.org ) you
> should -- it did for browsers what notetab did for text/code editors for me
>
> Wright, John - Textron Financial wrote:
> > Steve,
> > I am trying to learn more about CSS and XHTML, so I checked out your site. I
> > like your html code, it's very clean with the use of the <div> tags. Do you
> > know how I can view the stylesheets/sncstyle.css.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Ting [mailto:scting@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:06 PM
> > To: ntb-html@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [NH] Digest Number 821
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi



I would like to know the difference   between Netscape 7.02  and
netscape communicator 4.79.


Do I need both  program or I need one .

If I need one which one must I have .


from
Samson

ndousm wrote:
>I would like to know the difference   between Netscape 7.02  and
>netscape communicator 4.79.

They are two totally different browsers. Netscape 4.x is 6+ years old and
will make you want to cry if you try to make it understand CSS. Modern
Netscape is based on Mozilla, the perhaps most Standards savvy browser around.

>Do I need both  program or I need one .

I'd say both. Even if you choose to hide CSS from Navigator, you'd still
want to see that the hiding works and that nothing else rakes havoc too much.

>If I need one which one must I have .

Mozilla, or its slimmed down offspring Firefox. No need to install Netscape
7, I think. It uses Gecko, the rendering engine from Moz, and adds bloat
you probably don't want, like AOL messenger. Both available from here:
http://mozilla.org
AOL has killed the old Netscape browser archive, but Navigator can be
downloaded from Evolt.
http://browsers.evolt.org/


HTH
Lotta

Hello everyone, my first post here. A (relative newbie) to the
>internet I purchased 'Notetab Pro' a while back to write web pages
>and create a website.
>
>At the time (Absolute Newbie)I realized that it's a powerful tool
>and looked for tutorials on google. Didn't find anything at that
>time. So I just went ahead and used the basic 'html' function (and
>now the (CSS) and created a website.
>
>Now that I have a website with 40 plus pages, the need arises to
>change (ad-images/text) on all pages at once and fairly often.
>Resulting in alot of manual page by page editing.
>
>I'm learning CSS thinking that would allow me to edit all site pages
>at once,(ad-images/text), which are content, CSS is for style.
>There's kinda/sorta a work-around to effect the 'change-out'of (ad-
>images/text)at one time using CSS.
>
>At least it works on my computer, I.E.6, PC-XP. Have not tried to
>validate code yet, or get a srceen capture using various browers,
>platforms, etc, But when I do, "Chances are" it won't work across
>all browsers, platforms, back to the drawing board.
>
>Than I realized that a script (Javascript, PHP, ASP) is what is
>neccesary. I searched google & forums for scripts and became
>reaquainted with the powerful features Notetab pro has to offer.
>Full circle back to Notetab pro which is already on my computer.
>
>Can Notetab pro, create website templates, and allow me to change-
>out page elements on multiple pages at one time.
>
>Are there any, Step by Step, tutorials available, using Notetab pro
>by "example." Sorry for the long winded post, thought that it might
>help to give an idea where I'm at, technically speaking.

Hi

I would like to know how to edit a page on the html format using
netscape.

Once I have done with edit how to a go back to view my page in the
normal stage using netscape.



from
samson
ndousm@...

If you are developing websites, it's best to have as many browsers as
possible for testing purposes.  It will take a little work and a few
hacks to get cross-browser compatibility though.

I have NN 4.79, 6 and 7 installed. BTW, now it is also possible to have
multiple versions of IE on the same desktop!  (I have 3, 4, 5, 5.5 and
6.)  You can get them at http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/000094.php  Be
prepared though that the new design he's working on has a few bugs.

sisterscape


--- ndousm <ndousm@...> wrote:

>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I would like to know the difference   between Netscape 7.02  and
> netscape communicator 4.79.
>
>
> Do I need both  program or I need one .
>
> If I need one which one must I have .
>
>
> from
> Samson
>
>
>
>




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Why not use NoteTab to edit your page!  Open the HTML file, make
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--- ndousm <ndousm@...> wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I would like to know how to edit a page on the html format using
> netscape.
>
> Once I have done with edit how to a go back to view my page in the
> normal stage using netscape.
>
>
>
> from
> samson
> ndousm@...
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi folks!
I use NoteTab Light 4.95 and am experiencing a glitch when converting
text documents to HTML.
(I participate in forums that discuss news and current events, and use
NoteTab for html formatting when cutting and pasting news articles and
posting to the forums.)
Anyway, depending on from where I cut the original text, NoteTab may
or may not convert special characters (such as double quote marks) to
html.  The glitch that occurs is that when it coverts a left double
quote to #147, it'll also convert the right-hand closing double quote
to rsquo.  Since the #147 appears to render properly when I post my
messages, but the rsquo doesn't convert back at all, I have to use
NoteTab's replace function to substitute #148 for every occurrence of
rsquo.  While this is simple enough to do, it is an extra step that
really should be unnecessary.

Can anybody help me with this annoyance?
It really IS aggravating.
Thank you in advance.

On 30/10/2004 14:19, sudsypooch invited the wrath of the gods by saying:

>
>
> Hi folks!
> I use NoteTab Light 4.95 and am experiencing a glitch when converting
> text documents to HTML.
> (I participate in forums that discuss news and current events, and use
> NoteTab for html formatting when cutting and pasting news articles and
> posting to the forums.)
> Anyway, depending on from where I cut the original text, NoteTab may
> or may not convert special characters (such as double quote marks) to
> html.  The glitch that occurs is that when it coverts a left double
> quote to #147, it'll also convert the right-hand closing double quote
> to rsquo.  Since the #147 appears to render properly when I post my
> messages, but the rsquo doesn't convert back at all, I have to use
> NoteTab's replace function to substitute #148 for every occurrence of
> rsquo.  While this is simple enough to do, it is an extra step that
> really should be unnecessary.
>
> Can anybody help me with this annoyance?
> It really IS aggravating.
> Thank you in advance.


First of all, you shouldn't post messages with typographical quotes
("smart quotes" or "curly quotes"), since they aren't standard ASCII and
can't be relied upon to be correctly decoded by everybody. Use straight
quotes instead.

Secondly, #147  and  #148  (and  any numeric entities in the #128-#159
range, by the way)  are undefined in the HTML spec, so they shouldn't be
used at all -- they may work in Windows, but not in other platforms. The
character entities rsquo and lsquo ARE defined, but unfortunately (as
you noticed)  some softwares still don't recognize them. The
most-compatible way to insert those characters is  to use the numeric
entities as defined  in the HTML spec -- #8216  and #8217, in this  case.

As for the conversion problem, it's a (known) Notetab bug which
supposedly  will be fixed in Notetab  5.0. The way I deal with it is
using  a clip script that "fixes" the wrong characters right after
invoking the convert-to-HTML function -- replacing rdquo  for rsquo,
rsquo for acute, and so forth.

--
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