loro wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> And how do you find the "Column" referred to?
>
> Count the characters. If you make the validator show source, there
> will be links that let you jump to the line number.
>
>
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fepicroadtrips.us%2F2009%2Fsept%2F\
ca%2Fd1%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&ss=1&outlin\
e=1&verbose=1

Thanks,
This start to make a little sense now.
-mb

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Axel Berger wrote:
> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
>> Opening and ending tag mismatch: div line 43 and blockquote
>
> You need to nest all tags correctly, what was opend last needs to be
> closed first.

Ah ha! I think I grok. Or so I thought...

<blockquote cite='****'>
<p><SNIP> pariatur. <a href='#'title="  ">Excepteur </a>
sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
mollit anim id est laborum.</p>
<p class="source"><strong>Source: </strong><a href='#'>LINK</a></p>
</blockquote>

Should be:

<blockquote cite='****'>
<p><SNIP> pariatur. <a href='#'title="  ">Excepteur </a>
sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
mollit anim id est laborum.</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="source"><strong>Source: </strong><a href='#'>LINK</a></p>

This is how I intended it for styling purposes.
But it still does not validate with W3C

What am I missing? What is not properly nested? I just don't see it.
Thanks, Axel.
-mb

Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
> What is not properly nested?

Nothing as far as I can see. I was referring to your previous DIV and
BLOICKQUOTE error message. This one must be Loro's XML well formedness.
As I still stick to good old HTML 4, no xhtml, I don't know about those.

Axel

loro wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Ha! The WDG validator reported on 2 errors as opposed to 12 in the W3C.
>>
http://htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fepicroadtrips.us%2F200\
9%2Fsept%2Fca%2Fd1%2F&warnings=yes
>
> Told you that one's better! :-)

You are smarter than I first thought!

>
>> What is going on here. How can both be correct?
>
> All the additional errors are XML Parsing Errors.
> http://validator.w3.org/feed/docs/error/SAXError.html

> The WDG validor doesn't check for well-formedness (as per XML). I'm
> not good at this, so no explanations, but all the extra errors seems
> to be caused by this construct (two occurrences).
>
> <a href='#'title="  ">
>
> I don't know if it's the lack of space between the attributes or that
> you use single quotes in one case and double in the other that isn't
> kosher XML. I fixed both in one fell swoop and all the extra errors were gone.
>
> <a href="#" title="  ">

Interesting. How such a little thing can cause so much hassle.


> See? Not that hard, was it? :-)

Right now I am bleeding out the ears...

-mb

Axel Berger wrote:
> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
>> What is not properly nested?
>
> Nothing as far as I can see. I was referring to your previous DIV and
> BLOICKQUOTE error message. This one must be Loro's XML well formedness.
> As I still stick to good old HTML 4, no xhtml, I don't know about those.

Okey-doke.
It needed changed anyway to be style correctly.
Thanks,
-mb

Greg Chapman wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> On 09 Sep 09 15:59 Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV
> <mike@...> said:
>> From what you say my page should validate since it is
>> "transitional".
>
> But the problem isn't with the 
>
> It's with such things as a double <ul><ul> around Line 70 and a whole
> lot after that.

Hi Greg,
Crap. I'm not sure how all the extra and misplace list elements go in
there. Don't no why I didn't see that before. Very messy.

I think I got them cleaned up.
If you have a chance, could you take a peek?
Thanks,
-Mike

Previously I said:
> I am making progress. There are now "only" 12 validation errors.
>
> The errors "ID "currentpage" already defined"  - I know the culprit. It
> is in the PHP menus.

The culprit is the menu include:
http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/w1navigation.txt

I tried changing from ID to Class, but kept mucking it up and gave up.
I figgered the world wouldn't end if those were the only validation
problems I had.

Thanks to all.
Now, go over to NoteTab General and get my quick list questions answered! ;)

-Mike

Mike wrote:
>Interesting. How such a little thing can cause so much hassle.

As Axel said, don't let the number of errors scare you.

> > See? Not that hard, was it? :-)
>
>Right now I am bleeding out the ears...

No you aren't. :-)

Lotta

Greetings,

This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
captions in IE 8.

Anyone have any insight as to why?
I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
figured out for them so they can solve the problem.

Thanks,
-Mike
http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/

No captions in IE 6 either.
ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:55 AM
Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems


> Greetings,
>
> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
> captions in IE 8.
>
> Anyone have any insight as to why?
> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>
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Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
> Anyone have any insight as to why?

Mike, this is not what you or they want to hear, but my standard answer
applies:
Non valid code, gratuitous use of scripting without decent noscript
fallback, placing of content into the background, which may be switched
off.
The CSS seems to validate alright, but with lots of warnings, a few of
which warrant looking into.
They harangue vistors to "update" to a browser of their choice, not the
way to make friends. My standard IE by the way is 5.5.

I can verify that IE 7 shows the slide show without captions (if I allow
background wallpaper and make them a trusted site).

Sorry, but unless and until they stop refusing to show the most basic
willingness to make a half decent site I won't look into any specifics.

Axel

I concur!!
I think this is going to get ugly.

Thanks,
-Mike
===========
Axel Berger wrote:
> Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
>> Anyone have any insight as to why?
>
> Mike, this is not what you or they want to hear, but my standard answer
> applies:
> Non valid code, gratuitous use of scripting without decent noscript
> fallback, placing of content into the background, which may be switched
> off.
> The CSS seems to validate alright, but with lots of warnings, a few of
> which warrant looking into.
> They harangue vistors to "update" to a browser of their choice, not the
> way to make friends. My standard IE by the way is 5.5.
>
> I can verify that IE 7 shows the slide show without captions (if I allow
> background wallpaper and make them a trusted site).
>
> Sorry, but unless and until they stop refusing to show the most basic
> willingness to make a half decent site I won't look into any specifics.
>
> Axel
>
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Hi
The only thing I could find the images are not the same size because the
text on the left side vanishes
underneath the edge IE7
     THANKYOU DAVE M


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:55 PM
Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems


> Greetings,
>
> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
> captions in IE 8.
>
> Anyone have any insight as to why?
> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>
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Thanks for checking this.
This is most unfortunate as their previous site was compatible with IE 6.0.

-Mike
=============

Edward B wrote:
> No captions in IE 6 either.
> ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
> To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:55 AM
> Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
>> captions in IE 8.
>>
>> Anyone have any insight as to why?
>> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
>> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>>
>>
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Thanks, Davit.
-Mike
================

Dave wrote:
> Hi
> The only thing I could find the images are not the same size because the
> text on the left side vanishes
> underneath the edge IE7
>     THANKYOU DAVE M
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
> To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:55 PM
> Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
>> captions in IE 8.
>>
>> Anyone have any insight as to why?
>> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
>> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>>
>>
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These two versions of the same page are displaying differently in IE 8.

Original page with PHP menus and footer includes:
http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
Column separation OK


Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.

There are screen shot are here:
http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/php-html/

Thanks,
-Mike

Hi
when viewed in IE7 one version has text lined up with left edge of pictures
the other is in the center ???
     THANKYOU DAVE M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: [NH] .html version displaying different than .php version in IE 8


>
> These two versions of the same page are displaying differently in IE 8.
>
> Original page with PHP menus and footer includes:
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
> Column separation OK
>
>
> Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
> When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.
>
> There are screen shot are here:
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/php-html/
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
>
>
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I misspoke previously, I am using IE 7, *not* 8
Thanks,
-Mike

Dave wrote:
> Hi
> when viewed in IE7 one version has text lined up with left edge of pictures
> the other is in the center ???
>     THANKYOU DAVE M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
> To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: [NH] .html version displaying different than .php version in IE 8
>
>
>> These two versions of the same page are displaying differently in IE 8.
>>
>> Original page with PHP menus and footer includes:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
>> Column separation OK
>>
>>
>> Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
>> When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.
>>
>> There are screen shot are here:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/php-html/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>>
>>
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Mike Breiding wrote:


> This site: http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show captions
in IE 8.
>

It is really funny then, that users are advised to 'upgrade' to Internet
Explorer 8 there!

Bruce

Axel Berger wrote

> way to make friends. My standard IE by the way is 5.5.
>
Oh dear. If I were to use IE, I would certainly use IE 8. It is the first
version of IE that has acceptable support of CSS.

Bruce

bruce.somers@... wrote:
> Mike Breiding wrote:

>> This site: http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show captions
in IE 8.
>>
>
> It is really funny then, that users are advised to 'upgrade' to Internet
Explorer 8 there!

I am a big dummy!!
I am using IE 7 and the captions will not display in that version.
I can only assume it displays properly in IE 8.

Sorry for the confusion!
-Mike

bruce.somers@... wrote:
> I would certainly use IE 8. It is the first version of IE that
> has acceptable support of CSS.

Exactly, it is just about standards compliant. So when I need to check
whether a design of mine needs some extra adjustment for IE I use a
version with many problems. And that is just about all that IE is for
here anyway.

Axel

The captions are working in IE8, FF3 and Safari 4. It may be that the
javascript is using CSS that older versions of IE don't support correctly.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV"
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:55 AM
Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems


> Greetings,
>
> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
> captions in IE 8.
>
> Anyone have any insight as to why?
> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.

Cary Driscoll wrote:
>The captions are working in IE8, FF3 and Safari 4. It may be that the
>javascript is using CSS that older versions of IE don't support correctly.

Nope. Works in IE6 also.

Lotta

On this computer the OS is XP Home Edition, and Safari displays everything.
But in Windows IE 7.0 only the pictures, no captions to the left of the
image. In Safari they are to the left of the image. I know you have to add
work arounds to IE and I do that on my web pages as I want everyone to see
the page that goes to my URL. I use "CSS The Missing Manual" by David Sawyer
McFarland and Pogue Press O'Reilly. Helps  when you want to add the
necessary work arounds.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:55 AM
Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems


> Greetings,
>
> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
> captions in IE 8.
>
> Anyone have any insight as to why?
> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>
>
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Dave wrote:
> Hi
> when viewed in IE7 one version has text lined up with left edge of pictures
> the other is in the center ???
>     THANKYOU DAVE M

Yes, that is the issues.

Thanks,
-Mike


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
> To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: [NH] .html version displaying different than .php version in IE 8
>
>
>> These two versions of the same page are displaying differently in IE 8.
>>
>> Original page with PHP menus and footer includes:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
>> Column separation OK
>>
>>
>> Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
>> When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.
>>
>> There are screen shot are here:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/php-html/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
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So, if I understand correctly, it looks the problem is IE 7 and IE 6, 8
and Safari display the page correctly as does Fire Fox 3.5

There is a conditional statement in the slide show code:

<!--[if lte IE 7] >
< style type="text/css" media="all" >
	 @import
"modules/mod_fpslideshow/mod_fpslideshow/templates/FSD/template_css_ie.css";

< /style >
< ![endif]-->

So, it looks like there is some type of workaround being used, but it is
not doing the job.

I guess it is not the end of the world if this does not get fixed, but I
to see it stay that way.

Thanks to all.
-Mike
=================
Edward B wrote:
> On this computer the OS is XP Home Edition, and Safari displays everything.
> But in Windows IE 7.0 only the pictures, no captions to the left of the
> image. In Safari they are to the left of the image. I know you have to add
> work arounds to IE and I do that on my web pages as I want everyone to see
> the page that goes to my URL. I use "CSS The Missing Manual" by David Sawyer
> McFarland and Pogue Press O'Reilly. Helps  when you want to add the
> necessary work arounds.
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV" <mike@...>
> To: "NoteTab HTML" <ntb-HTML@Yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:55 AM
> Subject: [NH] Site check => IE 8 compatility problems
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> This site:  http://www.deckerscreek.org/ will not display slide show
>> captions in IE 8.
>>
>> Anyone have any insight as to why?
>> I had nothing to do with the site I am only trying to help get this
>> figured out for them so they can solve the problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
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Mike wrote:
>Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
>http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
>When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.

Did you remove that page or is the URL wrong?

Lotta

loro wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Page with non PHP top menu and php bottom menu and footer:
>> http://epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.html
>> When viewed in IE 8 the two columns are jammed together.
>
> Did you remove that page or is the URL wrong?
>

Ooops...
It is back.

Thanks,
-Mike

>
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Mike Breiding - Morgantown WV wrote:
>Ooops...
>It is back.

Well, I don't know, but the documents are not the same. To start
with, the HTML one validated (Congratulations! ;-) ) while the PHP
one is a mess.

<http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A//epicroadtrips.us/2009\
/sept/ca/d1/index.php&warnings=yes&input=yes>

<http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A//epicroadtrips.us/2009\
/sept/ca/d1/index.html&warnings=yes&input=yes>


To start with, there is a PHP error in the source of the PHP page
Gosh, I've never seen THAT before.

<div id="wrapper"><!--
Warning: include(header.php): failed to open stream: No such file or
directory in
/hsphere/local/home/mbreidin/epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
on line 13

Warning: include(): Failed opening 'header.php' for inclusion
(include_path='.:/hsphere/shared/apache/libexec/php5ext/php/') in
/hsphere/local/home/mbreidin/epicroadtrips.us/2009/sept/ca/d1/index.php
on line 13
   -->

So that header.php is never included. On the other hand its content
doesn't seem to be used in the HTML version either.

Look at the PHP page (in a browser). In the menu you have

Week 2
Week 3Week 2
Week 3

That can't be design. I think it comes from that you have commented
out a bunch of LIs, but the comment is screwed up because the closing
tag for LI right before it lacks the closing ">". It's at line 203 or
thereabout.


I don't know if the fact that the menu is broader on the PHP page
(because of the above) causes the difference you ask about, but it's
place to start anyway. There are other oddities too.

Lotta